The Syndicate

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:00 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:54 pm Soooo uh, Sig is bad then

Speed shouldn't have a better grasp over the game than this?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:54 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:51 pm Oooooooooookay.

Were all those roles on the civvie list?

Subsequently,are all those people really dead if this is Inception-land?

I'm assuming sig is bad because of the flavortext in the above post. Architect with anti-monitor

@speedchuck you already suspected sig isn't it? I would expect some joy noticing he is revealed now as scum.

Let's continue our convo, I wish to understand you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:38 am speedchuck hit 10k posts but it was all a dream

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:08 pm

Speed wrote:Overall, this post says a lot of nothing, while skewing a bunch of the posts I've made negative to be picked apart. Going over it, it's not egregious I guess. It's just fluffy and tosses shade in my direction while being very hands-off.

You say I am wrong and shady. If I would be shady I wouldn't post all the naked Iso without my oppinion first, I would go directly with comments.
Juliets asked and I put my ideas, and you as hater of emotions should react more cool at it and explain why am I wrong
But you made it a tennis mafia and the ball is in your court again.
speedchuck

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:29 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:03 pm Oddball thought process time- if lynching someone kicks them up a level, should we really try to keep our baddie suspect trapped here in dream land? Maybe the Inception hosts can speak to that. The hamster in my brain is running wild about this structure right now.

I'm not sure I understand the question. But in Inception, kicking people back to the top level exposed them to the chance of being kill off for real in the main thread, and prevented them from submerging into deeper dream levels. The mafia team wanted needed to submerge all the way to limbo and survive there to claim their reward, so a successful lynch by the civilians on the lower levels would lessen their chances of achieving that.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:08 pm

Speed wrote:Overall, this post says a lot of nothing, while skewing a bunch of the posts I've made negative to be picked apart. Going over it, it's not egregious I guess. It's just fluffy and tosses shade in my direction while being very hands-off.

You say I am wrong and shady. If I would be shady I wouldn't post all the naked Iso without my oppinion first, I would go directly with comments.
Juliets asked and I put my ideas, and you as hater of emotions should react more cool at it and explain why am I wrong
But you made it a tennis mafia and the ball is in your court again.
speedchuck

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:40 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:33 pm My sig suspicion, on the other hand, was partly my own, and partly based on a Mac flip / dizzy slip thing.

What was the suspicion you had of sig that was your own?

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:43 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:33 pm
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I suspected both, and it was increasingly likely they were both scum, so I went by mechanical merit. Lynching Mac first to confirm sigslip was apparently not as important as removing a possible -2 vote scumman early. I didn't care all that much between the two, as their scumminess pointed to each other.

speed, what does the last sentence mean, "their scumminess pointed to each other"?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:33 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:36 pmYour final vote was sig.

Was it? I flip flopped a bit. I recall something about sig possibly having less votes because of a vote power, but I thought that was before the...


That's what you get when you try to make me remember things without thread access.

One reason I asked about your vote was that I thought it’d be the easiest thing to remember.

If I recall correctly (I acknowledge that memory alone comes with limitations), when I reviewed your handling of Mac I could not clearly discern why you viewed him as suspicious. On Day 3 you alternated votes between sig and Mac, twice each. You spoke a good amount about sig and the merits of the TMI case. When you talked Mac though it was purely mechanical — one or the other was “better” to lynch first.

Why did you suspect Mac, and why did you decide in the end that sig was the best choice?

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:24 pm Juliets gives me homework to do but i didn't find her stance in this matter. I wonder why. Let's say she has good intentions but I dislike the question mixed in a post, when she usually pings to obtain answers.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:10 pm Saitama is mafia? We might as well give up now.

this post, wether is from a player who knows the original role which is NAI, or is mafia from any team who thinks mentioning a scum member may look good.

Analysing a joke post from a NAI or scum perspective. Skews negative, from a nothingburger of a post.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:47 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:47 pm I've not voted yet so I haven't seen the poll. Who is in the 4th slot on Nutella, Jack, and/or me?

Thar be scum. Bet me.

Yay! Someone else ascribes to the "fourth is scum" theory of vote trains!

The midmeld with Radishes is worrisome

Is it really though? Why? Does this seem like something a scummate would do? Am I bolstering a read? No. THis is apparently suspicious because Radish and I have similar vote analysis methods that go beyond this game.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:50 pm Upon further reflection of ISOs both of these wagons are shiiiiiiiiiiiny turds.

Nutella I can see why people suspect her. The interactions starting when Mac wagoned on look pretty bad. But lynching nutella D1 after she gets defensive over some tunneling is wonky.

I have no idea why anyone would vote Master Radishes.

I take from this that he TRs Radishes ot they are buddies.

She's not too harsh here, I guess. But she doesn't say anything about it, there's no input. "Either they are scum together or he townreads MR." Yes, that is the two options. That's what the post said. Why bring it up if you're not going to do anything with it except say 'Speed could be town or scum'? Unless it's to try and get other, more present people to read the post again and associate me.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:32 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 pm Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

Radishes talks relaxed about scumbuddies and Speed comes with a suspicion at Sig. This can be scum theatre, but it can be nothing as well. In the context comes at -1, i don't believe in coincidences.

I don't actually know what the second sentence means, but I feel like it's skewing me negative for having a correct read because coincidences don't exist.
ok.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:35 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:33 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:32 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 pm Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

1. Reason wasnt crappy
2. Was laying out my thought process.

It would be imo so much worse to instantly switch off since Jack changed his mind, especially since I didnt base my vote solely off his read and two she wasn't a civ?

Not to mention I stated a few times she wasnt my top lynch which Is why I switched off once things evened our a bit.

Some of your reasons were crappy. And you had some perfectly good reasons. Overcompensating to justify staying on nutella. Meh. Minor sus.

This chain is suspicious and may very well be a scum team interaction, to not receive a further "they didn't interact itt". The only good thing is Speed voted for Sig but i don't remember when and the poll positions don't reflect the order of the votes iirc

I don't overthink playing as scum this much. And I don't bus my teammates for no reason. Using the fact that I replied to Sig at one point to say I'm trying to make sure interactions exist is just assuming the world.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

Expand on this, mr chuck

I got weird vibes from Ted D1, and then he appeared reluctant to address Dizzy's 'scumslip' on him. It wasn't the slip itself that bothered me, but his forced nonchalance about it? Something like that. Lol at her flipping votes, though.

The Mac read is nothing special. I agree with what Jay said about his Dom post, and a few other sentiments expressed in the past two pages.

Dizzy and Dom both seemed like fairly stable, level heads in the thread D1. I like town dizzy and town dom.

Bonus: I don't care to lynch G-man.

Maybe is Speed speciality but this post is more a word salad, no offense.. Maybe is just me who don't understand it's meaning.

In context, this post makes sense. I don't have anything else to say about the response.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:55 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:50 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:44 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

I actually wanna hear this

There's not much to hear, yo. You give me vibes. Even with this post you give me vibes.

"Someone suspects me!? I LAUGH! Tell me of this inconsequential suspicion, fellow townie, and we'll work it out over tea." It's, just, it doesn't feel genuine.

It comes more from a PoV of me having a civ role and transparently laying out my thoughts, which would make me believe I'm obvious town (I never filter my thoughts) and me never being mislynched in one year of mafia is also contributing towards this. I'd rarely been suspected as town so I have high expectation when such claims occur.

Ok, I got lynched once but that was when I was on a holiday at the sea and I didn't care enough to stress myself

Too calculated a response. Bad.

I mean, if you're seriously genuine here, then you have an ego the size of a train and self-analysis out the butt. It doesn't read like transparently laying out thoughts.

So hey, if you never get mislynched, and we lynch you today, then you must be scum, right? Otherwise you wouldn't get lynched.

voted Ted just after but after, asked by Nanook, he switched to voting Mac.
My understanding on Ted's play (playing with him since summer) is that he has strong beliefs and shares them itt. Sometimes he is wrong but as villager he is like a rock. His posts are not scummy for me. Scum would not be so relaxed i think. But Speed finds him wolfy, and is more like it's a whim to vote him because he dislikes the playstyle without trying to have a real read. Is convenient to vote a player with not known meta.

This is just assuming my motives based on nothing. I find it suspicious when people overreact to brush off suspicions.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:02 pm I would, right now, vote sig, TH, Mac, and anyone who has appealed to emotion. I would murder the emotion right out of this game.

Rubs me the wrong way. Mafia is like 1/3 emotion. Villagers have an emotional force while wolves can have fear, anguish or delightful joy depending of the player's preferences. This post looks like NAI but doesn't help town.

Disagree. I've seen emotion ruin so many almost-won town games.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:10 pm So we can start with him.

But I have a hit list, and I'm considering putting you on it.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

If Speed is mafia he is aligned with the Radishes team imo. A tinfoilable slot.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:36 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:59 pm @speedchuck tell me about your day 3 vote.

Day 3 was my vote for Mac, yes?

Sig's slip relied on Mac being scum. It made more sense to lynch Mac first, to be sure. I've pretty consistently agreed with Dom's passionate reads on the both of them, from D2 or even earlier.

I did scumread Sig earlier, but by Day 3 Mac was just as good a lynch.

Your final vote was sig.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:28 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:22 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:05 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:02 pm I would, right now, vote sig, TH, Mac, and anyone who has appealed to emotion. I would murder the emotion right out of this game.

Has this salad been observed yet? This is salad. I observe it.

It's not salad if they're all bad.

Yes it is. How do you feel about each of us here? Who is your top non-sig suspect outside of this thread?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:25 pm I have no read on speedchuck in relation to any of the revealed members of either mafia team. Of the posts quoted by michelle (thank you and good work compiling those, michelle!), the general trend is that speed is expressing skepticism of every case but I don't see him really chomping down on anything, which is not the best look. I understand and appreciate that speed is on a tight schedule, but that does not tell me anything about his alignment. I have no clear sense of where his head is at in this game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:59 pm @speedchuck tell me about your day 3 vote.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:20 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:05 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:32 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 pm Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:22 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:05 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:02 pm I would, right now, vote sig, TH, Mac, and anyone who has appealed to emotion. I would murder the emotion right out of this game.

Has this salad been observed yet? This is salad. I observe it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:42 pm Welcome to Inception Mafia! Some of you have fallen asleep, perchance to dream, some are deeper still, and others will insist that they are still awake! If this is indeed a dream, then it is a shared one... and your decisions could be lethal!

I might be willing to interpret the underlined text as implying that there are three threads right now. Ours is called "A Dream Within a Dream", which might suggest that we are at the bottom. Idk. That might just be a generic tagline too. The bottom level was called Limbo in the original game.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:51 pm Oooooooooookay.

Were all those roles on the civvie list?

Subsequently,are all those people really dead if this is Inception-land?