The Syndicate

Could vote Rej because of
-Duplicate Millers
-Him disappearing right after scumbro soneji got lynched

But nah. I didn't get an ill vibe from his posts.

If there were bussers on Soneji, it was either Kylemii or a deepwolf in Indigo or Dizzy. Dizzy did the same thing in Space Force and singlehandedly won for it, so I know she's capable. I'd aim my N2 cop check at her...

IF I HAD ONE

Wait a minute I'm using POE really badly.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] is going to think I'm a hypoctire.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:02 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:00 pmHaven't decided who to vote yet

Not that it's ever stopped me before

No. It hasn't. You mentioned that you thought Soneji had 1 or 2 bus votes. Do you still believe this? Cause if that is the case, I can't really see any reason why you wouldn't explore that more or make a case for who exactly that is.

birdwithteeth11 - Who?
colonialcob - I think his push on me is genuine
Epignosis - town
Dyslexicon - I've been burned before, but town
indiglo - town
Kylemii - :3?
Long Con - town?
MacDougall - Push on Sloonei irked me something weird earlier. Calling it a 'policy lynch'. Felt really strong for what it was, in an off sort of way.
Neverwhere - Who?
Owner of a Lonely Heart - haven't seen anything alignment indicative
Rej - I feel like I should have a read here but don't
Sloonei - unsure if his approach to me is opportunistic or if I just look as bad as usual. Also replacement.
speedchuck - Just happy to be here

Kylemii
Neverwhere
BWT
Rej
Sloonei
Owner
Macdougall

This is my POE. I need it to be one smaller.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:59 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:59 pmHoly lord

Speeeeeeed, why are you not voting anyone?

Haven't decided who to vote yet

Not that it's ever stopped me before

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:55 pm birdwithteeth ain't had shit to say bout soneji

colonialbob:

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:11 pm A decision is better than random and I prefer soneji to the other two with two votes so [VOTE: soneji[\vote]] aubergine

[VOTE: Groovy.] aubergine

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:41 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:36 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:11 pm [VOTE: A decision is better than random and I prefer soneji to the other two with two votes so [VOTE: soneji] aubergine] aubergine

[VOTE:
What made you go from voting me to voting the wagon I started?
Also the votes were not tied when you voted. Nut had already voted Soneji here.
Why did you prefer Soneji over Kyle and Daisy?] aubergine

[VOTE:
Clearly nobody was going to vote with me, and there was a three way tie that I did not care for. I was sus of you, sure, but it's day 1, there's only so strong a sus can be.

They were tied when I started that post, 2 v 2 v 2. With literally a minute before EOD it's not like there was time to check what had actually happened in the linki. Actually I changed my vote before posting to make sure I made it before the poll closed and it jumped from 2 to 4 votes, but again didn't have time to check who had voted or anything.

Kyle is a player who generally takes time to ease into a game and is (generally) not somebody I'm ever interested in d1. I feel relatively good about my ability to read him as the game progresses. Daisy was absentee and had some questionable voting patterns associated with her. Soneji was the only one of the three with actual reasons to be sus.

(Also sorry for the broken tag I manually typed the slash and used the wrong direction like a real dumbass)

((also sorry for being racist against asses, donkeys, and other members of subgenus Asinus))] aubergine

[VOTE: Groovy! I think cbob looks like a cool cat here. The good kind of cat, the kind we don't want to lynch. All the other soneji mentions are from post-flip, but I like the looks of the pressure he's been putting on speedchuck without knowing the full context.

this is definitely the best way to get caught up on a game. colonialbob looks pretty darn good to me.] aubergine

[VOTE:

] aubergine

Holy lord

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:29 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:17 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:13 pm This post irks me as well. It's a sandwich.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:32 am I've seen the whole 'mafia get replaced FIRST' thing on other sites, but not that often here.

Mafia DO request replacement more often than town, though, for whatever reason. Weirdos.

Given that, I think it's more important to look at the reason for replacement. Epi popped in practically before the game started. This is probably an indicator that whoever it was that signed up just didn't show up, or bowed out quickly for RL reasons. (My opinion.) That's null.

Sloonei replaced Daisy, who is busy, sure, but around more. That's more suspicious.

It's also possibly angle-shooting?

"It's not a good scum tell around here"

"Uncited fact is that they're more likely scum"

"Nullish exposition"

They are suspicious for the replacement"

"Maybe we shouldn't"

You missed a word.

That first sentence was a different topping. This was more like a pizza.
And I never said we 'shouldn't'.

And Epi got replaced first, not Spacedaisy. Yes, I see.

I thought the angle-shooting part was flavoured as a 'shouldn't'. Why bring it up, if not to say it's kind of bad?

For the same sentiment with which you replied to it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:13 pm This post irks me as well. It's a sandwich.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:32 am I've seen the whole 'mafia get replaced FIRST' thing on other sites, but not that often here.

Mafia DO request replacement more often than town, though, for whatever reason. Weirdos.

Given that, I think it's more important to look at the reason for replacement. Epi popped in practically before the game started. This is probably an indicator that whoever it was that signed up just didn't show up, or bowed out quickly for RL reasons. (My opinion.) That's null.

Sloonei replaced Daisy, who is busy, sure, but around more. That's more suspicious.

It's also possibly angle-shooting?

"It's not a good scum tell around here"

"Uncited fact is that they're more likely scum"

"Nullish exposition"

They are suspicious for the replacement"

"Maybe we shouldn't"

You missed a word.

That first sentence was a different topping. This was more like a pizza.
And I never said we 'shouldn't'.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:06 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:45 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:57 am I think that falls under the angle-shooting category. Cheap damn way to catch a baddie, I think we should make it one of our understood 'house rules' on Syndicate that we don't bring it up. Believe it in your own mind, no one can stop that, but don't bring it up in the thread.

Speedchuck, are you the kind of guy who busses a teammate, or tries to save?

Depends on the situation. I would bus a teammate if they looked doomed. I won't defend a teammate unless there is something really good to defend, or unless there's a good target other than them that I can believably push.

Basically I'll try to save a drowning teammate if there's almost no way it comes back to bite me, I'll bus them if not.

That conforms to your Soneji stuff on Day 1. What better evidence is out there to lynch someone?

Talking about D1? There wasn't much.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:57 am I think that falls under the angle-shooting category. Cheap damn way to catch a baddie, I think we should make it one of our understood 'house rules' on Syndicate that we don't bring it up. Believe it in your own mind, no one can stop that, but don't bring it up in the thread.

Speedchuck, are you the kind of guy who busses a teammate, or tries to save?

Depends on the situation. I would bus a teammate if they looked doomed. I won't defend a teammate unless there is something really good to defend, or unless there's a good target other than them that I can believably push.

Basically I'll try to save a drowning teammate if there's almost no way it comes back to bite me, I'll bus them if not.

I've seen the whole 'mafia get replaced first' thing on other sites, but not that often here.

Mafia DO request replacement more often than town, though, for whatever reason. Weirdos.

Given that, I think it's more important to look at the reason for replacement. Epi popped in practically before the game started. This is probably an indicator that whoever it was that signed up just didn't show up, or bowed out quickly for RL reasons. (My opinion.) That's null.

Sloonei replaced Daisy, who is busy, sure, but around more. That's more suspicious.

It's also possibly angle-shooting?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:56 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:36 pm Alright champs game over time to fuck

Well ffuck

You aren't coming with me?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:36 pm Alright champs game over time to fuck

There are far less cat pictures than expected, Owner is right.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:25 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:24 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:21 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:19 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:16 pm
That had nothing to do with you pressuring me/voting me yesterday, just with dys' recounting of how yesterday went down. And it had nothing to do with me per se, it mattered because of Soneji and who they voted for.

You were still defensive even though it was just one vote.

You were saying stuff that was factually incorrect

You were saying that you questioned whether there were more votes on you or not, which was true.

But wait that's not when I was allegedly being defensive...

Any player can be defensive.

It takes a special kind of player to be defensive about whether or not he's being defensive.

Is it a wolf kind of player?

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:09 pm @speedchuck you have played a lot with Owner? If yes, have you seen anything hinky out of her so far?

Owner is usually a big question mark for me, and she still is. Her hunting style is weird. She suspects people for the gifs they use, their avatar changes, and the jokes they make.

It always comes off as nonsense to people that haven't played with her, and often develops into a scumread.

That said, I don't know the difference between town and scum Owner, so I'm not defending her with this either. Just giving context.

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:42 pm I feel like Owner is playing in a completely different thread than me. I don't even understand where she is coming from at all.

I'm leaning that way for my vote. Not crazy about her Kyle vote, either.

Have you played with Owner before?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:56 pm @speedchuck Do you think a lot of players have posting restrictions?

I doubt it. For flavor, balance, and game type reasons.

Also I don't have one.

Why do you ask me?

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:39 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:16 am Voters of me should ask themselves:

If Soneji was town, would speed look bad?
Would a town speed know whether Soneji was town or scum?
Would this interactive analysis look any different at all if speed was town and Soneji was scum?

Ya'll are being basic.

Is walking your voters through the process really necessary? And will this actually lead to them changing their minds?

Probably not.

The only way to change people's minds is to give them a better target. By hunting.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:17 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:11 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:07 pm These votes are thin. This game is in thin water right now.

But blood is thicker than water, and there's some blood floating around here now.

Agree that Nut was somewhat of a surprising kill given the post restriction. But she was very unlikely to get lynched because of tipping the scales on Soneji.

Also Flash Hundred Yard Dash is a 'good guy' (probably), and nutella had the post restriction to prove it.

The anti-town faction(s) have fakeclaims, so don't get too crazy with this kind of talk.

Ah, I skimmed over that. Thanks.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:34 am My reaction when I make a game based on a really popular movie and nobody itg has seen it.

I've seen it. And I'm reading the write-ups. Flavor mmmm

[mention]indiglo[/mention] I dig the readlist. Why is owner so low?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:11 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:07 pm These votes are thin. This game is in thin water right now.

But blood is thicker than water, and there's some blood floating around here now.

Agree that Nut was somewhat of a surprising kill given the post restriction. But she was very unlikely to get lynched because of tipping the scales on Soneji.

Also Flash Hundred Yard Dash is a 'good guy' (probably), and nutella had the post restriction to prove it.

Nutella isn't the type to fake a post restriction like that.

Voters of me should ask themselves:

If Soneji was town, would speed look bad?
Would a town speed know whether Soneji was town or scum?
Would this interactive analysis look any different at all if speed was town and Soneji was scum?

Ya'll are being basic.

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:23 am I was actually just contemplating the pros and cons of doing a mass claim, and reading about it. I'm interested in hearing others' thoughts on this idea. When I was coming up in mafia (eons ago, LOL) info-dumping and role outing was a mod-kill offense. So this realm of role claiming and info-dumping is foreign soil to me. I know there are definitely pros and cons, and am interested in discussing whether we think it would be helpful, and at what point in the game it might be most helpful.

Based on my role, I'd say a mass-claim wouldn't be very helpful. Based on this being a bastard game, even more unhelpful.

But it prooobably wouldn't hurt anything either. Just might make things a little less fun.

Kylemii analysis is good.

Soneji vote number went up fast as soon as it hit #1 candidate for lynch. Guaranteed 1 or 2 bussers.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:50 pmPoint 2 is wrong. I was aware soneji had showed up. If he was a no-show I would have voted for him.

I still get the feeling you don't understand what I am saying.

What is confusing to me then is you first letting us know that Soneji have been lynched for being a no-show before, around the time me and indiglo voted him. Why did you share this information with us, do you know? Right after, responding to me saying that he has showed up, you reply "Soneji showed up!"

Was your intention for D1 to lynch a no-show? Why did you find that to be a good strategy?

I'm just confusing then. I can explain it, but for now just assume that I'm layering my speech with sarcasm, rhetoric, and anecdotes.

My intention D1 was to skate by as I do most weekends. Lynching a no-show is usually no big loss. It was meant to be a throwaway vote, but then people started reacting to it. Reactions are good, so I kept that up. Then it was between my vote and a couple of lynches I didn't care for, because I wanted to play with those people.

My D1 can be summed up as follows, to be as clear as glass:

I voted for a no-show. Soneji was not a no-show, for once, and I didn't vote for him. I was excited to play with him. He got lynched and was bad.

At no point did I:
-Think Soneji was a no-show
-read or evaluate the arguments against Soneji (other than him voting for Kylemii)
-scumhunt

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:41 pm Speed, here's what I see:

1. Whatever your intention was, you made a point about Soneji being voted for being a no-show often.
2. You did not seem to be aware that Soneji had showed up.
3. After me and indiglo had placed votes on Soneji, you directly declined voting for Soneji, but you did make a point about thinking Soneji voting Kyle was bad.
4. You had your vote on a no-show all of D1, which in itself is pretty blah scum hunting-wise imo.

Maybe you're too close to the fire to be Soneji's teammate. But these points is why I'm questioning you. It doesn't look good to me.

Point 2 is wrong. I was aware soneji had showed up. If he was a no-show I would have voted for him.

I still get the feeling you don't understand what I am saying.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:19 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:12 amI never defended Soneji for being a no-show in this game.

I only explained that I've never played with him, and that it would be cool to do that at some point.

You're explaining that now. You alluded to it.

It still doesn't explain that you voted a no-show while saying Soneji often got voted for being a no show, when in fact Soneji had at least two posts with some content throughout the game.

Okay.

I think you're interpreting this as me condemning voting no-shows? I wasn't doing that. Voting no-shows is totally cool with me. Voting no-show for Soneji in those other games is totally cool too. But, like you said, he wasn't a no-show in this game. So I didn't vote for him because I was excited to play with him.

Does that clear things up at all? It's hard to say, because your post almost reads like a non-sequiter. Me voting a no-show has nothing to do with Soneji because he had posts.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:32 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:58 pm Soneji has been lynched for no-showing in every game I've played with him

Also, why this defense when you are voting the only literal no-show?

And this is still bothering me.
Speed, you never answered this. Why did you defend Soneji for being a no-show (which he wasn't) when you yourself was voting a literal no-show in Daisy?

I never defended Soneji for being a no-show in this game.

I only explained that I've never played with him, and that it would be cool to do that at some point.

Man, a lot of people sheeped that vote.
But it's okay, because Soneji was ba-a-a-a-ad.
Ewe could say he was a wolf in sheep's clothing
But then I would lamb-aste you for making such an obvious pun-joke-thing.

This game is so chill

Man that's some consolidation there

If this lynch flips town I'm totally going to blame it on everyone not voting Daisy

Nevermind

Kylemii could break the vote

Or make it a 4 way tie

One of these is better than the other

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:05 pm I dislike soneji admitting he's disengaged from the game while saying my funny joke posts are sketchy without explaining why

Oh he's voting for you?

That's pretty bad actually.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:04 pm SD hasn't posted

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:03 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:03 pmIt frustrates people

More specific please?

It frustrates...

You?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:03 pm @speedchuck tell me about spacedaisy

Flowers would probably not survive in space very long

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:00 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:59 pm I already know that voting for SpaceDaisy is fun

Can you tell me why it's fun? Is it so fun that I should do it?

It frustrates people

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:59 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:58 pm Soneji has been lynched for no-showing in every game I've played with him

That's not my reason though. He himself voted a no-show. He made sure to show at EoD.

Soneji showed up! Maybe I can play with him then?

I already know that voting for SpaceDaisy is fun

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:58 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:56 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:12 pm I don't like the vote spread either. And, I really have no one that is screaming out "I AM SCUM" to me, which is hard.

Most of the time scum don't do that here

Would you vote Soneji? It could be fun or not fun, depending.

I probably wouldn't, at least not over SpaceDaisy

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:58 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:56 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:12 pm I don't like the vote spread either. And, I really have no one that is screaming out "I AM SCUM" to me, which is hard.

Most of the time scum don't do that here

Pssst. They would if town could scream "I AM TOWN" a little bit more. /slight shade.

I AM

BUSY ON THE WEEKENDS

Soneji has been lynched for no-showing in every game I've played with him

indiglo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:12 pm I don't like the vote spread either. And, I really have no one that is screaming out "I AM SCUM" to me, which is hard.

Most of the time scum don't do that here

I'm concerned about Epi having 2 votes. Would much rather lynch someone who hasn't really shown up.