The Syndicate

cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:12 pm jack i'm sorry i still feel bad that i let you die completely by accident :'(

It’s cool.

Well played, mafia.

Lol balls!

Woot woot!

chardonnay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:35 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:07 am
chardonnay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:59 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:13 pm
chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:50 am what do you think it is Jack? :0
I thought it was you because you’re the only one that’s been pressuring me, hence my “legacy is Char is town.” But I’ve been getting more and more the impression (especially after the second poison on me) that I’ve been incorrect in that assumption. To the point that I don’t mind saying it out loud.

But if a wolf didn’t want to clear someone else, they’d just not use that power. I guess. I mean, maybe they figure they might shoot the poison healer.
Yeah, its not me poisoning you. (Im assuming that's ok to hard claim at this point)

Who on the roster do you have a lot of experience with? who here have you had no/little experience with?
I know Wilgy, DDL and LC very well and I've played with Cayvie once. I'm pretty good at finding town DDL when he's acting in a certain way (probably says more about DDL as town than me as town) and less good at distinguishing meh town DDL and scum DDL. I used to think I was good at reading LC but his town and scumgames are fairly similar. Still think he's probably town, here. I'm pretty garbo at reading Wilgy. Like he doesn't always participate enough as town to avoid chop and when he's a wolf, he does things I don't think wolves tend to do and I'm aware of all this so it feels like alignment reading via dartboard. Might have mashed with Marcher before or maybe just talked enough in specchat. Either way, I don't actually know their meta.

Never played with anyone else here.
You are normally hard to flip right?

Im thinking the burn is from a mafia aligned player with experience on you who is aware that you're a hard flip to make. And know their lock-burning you since theres a healer left somewhere, and don't want to healer saving more soft-clears.

Yes but it's not just "oh Jack is hard to flip." It's like "Jack lives on the null to scumlean range and is somehow hard to flip in spite of being widely suspected." So I always look choppable. So I tend to not get NKed (except recently after a few good towngames). It's perfectly possible, though.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:22 am WE could all post a list of the scummiest to least scum, and average it out. Or post Alison's list and tweak it until we're all sadisfied

Alisons list is like:
TOwn:( PSI, char, Jack, Carotte)
Lesser Town: ( cayvie, DDL, Fatmo)
???: (Wigly, Long Con)
SCum read: (dov, cass)

Marcher is voting DoV here inevitably.

-/-/-

I guess mine would be more like:
TOwn: (Me, PSI, Jack)
Lesser TOwn (Cayie, Cass, DDL, Carotte)
???: (Fatmo, Wigly, Long Con)
SCum: (DOv, Marcher)

Left is higher then right. I include myself on top b/c I kno im town. lol

ALso yeah I, don't know about my wigly read anymore.
-/-/-

THoughts?

I think you're both pretty close to reality.

I tend to think one of Cass and Cayvie is a wolf because otherwise UG didn't talk about their teammate (or I'm pocketed by players that are town on their own merits and have antialigned interactions with UG). I'm aware that's a fancy pants read on someone whose meta I don't know so I'm not ride or die on the thought.

I really have little to no reason to townread Fatmo, Wilgy, Marcher, Dov.

So I'm kinda like

Top town: Me, Chard, PSI
Lesser town: LC, Carotte, DDL
Probably exactly one scum here: Cass, Cayvie
Meh: Fatmo, Wilgy, Dov
Scum: Marcher

And that's a situation I'm massively uncomfortable with. Like I would be unsurprised to see a wolf in my lesser towns and there's too many players at the bottom. If Marcher is a wolf, we're in a good position. If Marcher is a wolf and I'm right about UG wanting to talk about at least one of his partners, we're in an incredibly good position. Otherwise, especially if Marcher is town, I'm pretty pessimistic.

Btw, I checked and Nanook does not specify 3 wolves in the OP. Could be 4.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:59 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:13 pm
chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:50 am what do you think it is Jack? :0
I thought it was you because you’re the only one that’s been pressuring me, hence my “legacy is Char is town.” But I’ve been getting more and more the impression (especially after the second poison on me) that I’ve been incorrect in that assumption. To the point that I don’t mind saying it out loud.

But if a wolf didn’t want to clear someone else, they’d just not use that power. I guess. I mean, maybe they figure they might shoot the poison healer.
Yeah, its not me poisoning you. (Im assuming that's ok to hard claim at this point)

Who on the roster do you have a lot of experience with? who here have you had no/little experience with?

I know Wilgy, DDL and LC very well and I've played with Cayvie once. I'm pretty good at finding town DDL when he's acting in a certain way (probably says more about DDL as town than me as town) and less good at distinguishing meh town DDL and scum DDL. I used to think I was good at reading LC but his town and scumgames are fairly similar. Still think he's probably town, here. I'm pretty garbo at reading Wilgy. Like he doesn't always participate enough as town to avoid chop and when he's a wolf, he does things I don't think wolves tend to do and I'm aware of all this so it feels like alignment reading via dartboard. Might have mashed with Marcher before or maybe just talked enough in specchat. Either way, I don't actually know their meta.

Never played with anyone else here.

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:05 am All righty, that works I guess. How do we want to do this? Popcorn style like Alison suggested before her death? Or everybody votes whoever? Popcorn style is harder when the votes don't reset, but if we think that's a good idea, everyone who's already voted can just move their vote to No Vote temporarily.

I can also make a list of scummiest to least scummiest players if need be.

Does it matter? At this point, credit for a correct or incorrect chop on Marcher is basically locked in and the votes are just a formality, right?

@everybody who has played with UG before.

Is it stupid to think that since UG kept posting these walls about multiple players that there's no way both of his partners (note: double check if there are 3 wolves) are unmentioned in his iso?

Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:23 pm PSINE calling Cayvie out feels.... Odd? Like, not scummy odd but more like "I'm out of my element and kinda making things up as I go and things are escalating because of it"??? It's hard to explain.

What I DO think is scum PSINE would have dropped the issue sooner if she were scum imo. Like I don't think it'd be wise to call so much attention to herself wheen she didn't have to, and I think she knows that.

I CAN see scum neutron SEEING that interaction and seeing an opportunity to cast shade.

That's all from just an iso of Nooter. so, like, SLIGHT scum reads here? But I wanna iso PSINE as well and get a bigger picture here

This is all such soltball, it doesn't do much for me, especially given Noot already flipped.

Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:21 pm
chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:07 pm
Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:58 pm
chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:48 pm
DJ Neutron Star wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:34 pm @chardonnay
can i confirm why you're voting cassowary? you haven't said much immediately about them outside of 'something' feeling off and currently disagreeing with their PSINE read
forcing a read that they weren't really confidant in, (PSINightmare).
Oh shit I just did that huh

Yeah I didn't want my FIRST iso to be a null read so I kinda put a gun to my head and said "Nooter slightly scummy" even though it's closer to null.
I mean... there's nothing inhertly wrong with forcing a read for the sake of content generation. Its more when its done for the sake of not standing out.

Im not sure what to make of you lamp shading your own actions so quickly UG haha. You seem pretty ill at ease rn.
Oh yeah I'm absolutely ill at ease. This is a new game on an unfamiliar site, with new people I've never played. I am anxious as FUCK rn even outside of game stuff.

So I'm kinda, just talking. I'm just gonna kinda say whatever comes to me and then judge people based on how they react to that.

That's worked for me before so even if I can't fall back on familiar metas, there's always That.

And sorry if people were trying to address me before this, I'm still at work, I'll try to find time later.

Slightly good look for Chard. Will see if he follows up at all.

Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:50 am
chardonnay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:33 am
Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:30 pm Speaking of speaking my mind and familiar metas... I REALLY feel like Grendel would know that? Like, how anxious I am in new situations and stuff... It feels REALLY weird that he'd throw that kind of shade and then keep on about it. Like, REALLY weird... This actually legit feels like a scummy Grendel play...
I don't recall you being noticeably nervous in that offsite game we played together a long time ago, and generally your early game persona tends to wax confidence on HS. I know I read your camp game a few years ago (was it really that long ago?), and I honestly didn't recall you getting this nervous in the early game.

Im not sure where I "kept on about it" as I think the only other time before this I mentioned it was because Alison attributed it to Cassowary instead of me.

The remark was jab to see if I could elicit a response from you. It did. Im thinking its a town response. Im aware of your tendency to be wary of me means that as town you'd be prone to aggression me here, meanwhile scum you would pull back in this situation.
I… Suppose… I guess I never saw it that way. I’m perfectly comfortable on starmen obviously, and if I play anywhere else I’m nervous as fuck. Like the most stressed I’ve ever been in my entire life was the Championships on MU. Buuuuuut it’s good experience and it’s good to get out of your comfort zone, see new ways to play bla bla bla.

Anywho, that’s not what I’m here for. I got JUST enough time before I pass out on my keyboard to actually get some reads in and ISO some people.

I WAS gonna do people from my home site, Chardonnay, Cassowary, Nooter, Carot and PSINE.

And while I still wanna get those people sorted, ESPECIALLY Chardonnay who’s response is… Fine? I REALLY wanna get him sorted sooner rather than later.

But I think it’s MORE pressing that I analyze some of these mini wagons we got here. I feel like that would lend where I stand better to the town better than strictly home site group.

So so far we got:
Cassowary
Cayvie
DJ Neutron Star
Jiwon
Long Con

Let’s start with Cassowary.. I gotta admit their opening here feels… Disingenuous a bit? I’m getting vibes of “This is a first post that a townie makes” and it doesn’t feel quite… Real. Their read on PSINE feels this way too. I feel like they’re taking advantage of a good opportunity to paint someone as “wishywashy”. Especially when they themselves pull back after getting just a little pressure.

I DO like the game solving they do later on though with Jiwon and Cayvie. And then later when really pushed they just kinda throw their hands up and say “I don’t know what to tell ya bud” just sounds like a cornered townie who doesn’t know what to say. AND their vote on me feels legitimate. Like despite the behavior in the beginning THIS read feels like there was honest thought behind it and NOT someone trying to pretend. Even if that conclusion is wrong.

This… Might be a hot take but… I’m getting more of a townie lean from this.

Okay let’s move onto Cayvie
Starts of explaining the divisions in the elements and characters… Kinda gets into it with Alison about power roles… Gets really heated with Alison… I don’t Know Cayvie very well but from a scum perspective, what would be gained by this? Like, I’d like to imagine that if Cayvie was startin to but heads with Alison, what would they gain by keeping it up and standing their ground on this? They could have easily said “oh shoot you’re right” and blended RIGHT back in. This doesn’t feel like someone with something to hide ya know?

Yeah the more I read the more I’m seeing a townie actively trying to solve the game to the best of their ability and not concerning themselves with trying to be not noticed. I’m feeling a better town read I think.

Now for Nooter:
I stand by what I said before, Nooter’s read against PSINE was not the best. It feels like someone taking advantage of a situation and then does it again with Cassowary.... It’s still kinda nullish but I’m starting to feel better about a scum read on Nooter here…

I’m also starting to get VERY tired and can kinda feel my thoughts slipping a bit. I still wanna do Jiwon and Long Con.

But before I do I’d LIKE to get some people’s thoughts.

@chardonnay @PSINightmareEmpower

Mind lending me your thoughts about this Nooter here? Does it feel like "taking advantage" to you?

Yeah, Chard is probably just town here.

Slight good look for Cass and a slight bad one for Cayvie but that's not solid. I don't think there's any way both are scum with UG. (Did I already have that belief?)

Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:57 am good morning lovely people.

hey, full disclosure, im having some serious irl problems. I've not even been able to look at the game much. still. ive spoken with the gm, if i cant get my issues sorted out soon i might need to drop

anywho, i figure the best thing i can do right NOW is give you what reads i do have so that y'all can better sort my slot. if i cant do anything super productive, at least ill get to help you out.

So! Let's get started with my reads so far based on what little I've ISO'd and read throughout the game:

Alison: Mega town energy here. Everything feels genuine, from what I've seen she's been active and trying to solve the game. Probably my biggest town read so far, I have a hard time seeing a universe where Alison is scum.

Carot: Similar energy to Alison but not as strong. We share similar reads on Nooter which makes me feel better in my asersion. Town

Cassowary: Town. Like I said before, this might be a hot take, but Cassowary's reactions to being pushed to NOT feel like panicked scum trying to play it cool. they feel like a frustrated townie who doesn't know what to say so they're trying to defend themselves while also simultaneously trying to solve the game. It's a good response and I like it a lot. I really REALLY feel like this was a good, easy yeet for potential scum to latch onto.

Cayvie: ISO'd. Also town. Unlike Alison, I CAN see a universe where Cayvie is scum, but her actions make MORE sense as town. She's active, she's solving the game, she's putting herself out there in a way that would be counterintuitive as scum. Pretty good town lean.

Chard: I'm... Hesistent still. He backed off me when I made a response which again felt fine... I still have a weird feeling about him. Especially posts like this:

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:41 am Aww I guess DoV had to go.

Im partially concerned that his intsa trust in Carrot is b/c he randed mafia, and knew she was town from the start.

But I feel inclined to not jump on him, as he is probably easily sorted over time. A lot of new players are.
feel like he's seeding doubt so he can have an excuse to scum read later ya know? but at the same time the rest of his posts feel pretty genuine. I'm getting FEELINGS about this slot but I can't tell what those feelings are one way or the other.

Nooter: I went into more detail in my last post but if there was a slot that I HAD to scum read it'd probably be this one. Granted I haven't taken a good look at a lot of the player roster, AND considering Nooter was basically the counter wagon to Jiwon... I think that says something but i'm not sure what. During my ISO several of his posts gave me uneasy vibes, and the more I think about this slot the better I feel about those. I'm actually gonna move this to a scum lean.

Nutella: One of the people who came after me prettty hard. And... I liked their reasoning. Their gut reads felt VERY genuine. Getting very similar vibes like I do with Alison and Carot. Their read was wrong, sure, but it feels better than a lot of the posts that I get from both Nooter and Chard. This is someone trying to solve the game for real. Strong town.

PSINE: I'm kinda wary about this. It's still a town lean, for sure, but y'all have never played with PSINE before, her MO between town and scum does not change a lot, her behavior FEELS genuine and townie, but I'm still very hesitent to sort her one way or the other.

If I didn't mention someone that means I dont' have anything to say because I haven't really read enough of their posts to make a call. Hopefully that helps. If you have any questions or anything feel free to ping me and I'll answer asap.

Of the players still alive, I think this is a good look for Chard and to a degree, for PSINE and kinda middling for Cayvie and Cass. It would generally not be hard to see one of Cayvie or Cass as scum off this and previous posts.

Plus holiday weekend.

cayvie wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:40 pm okay. i keep feeling like this game is in limbo, waiting to see if there's gonna be a gladiatorial contest or what. i'm gonna finish my interactive analyses with UG.

Yeah, both of these. That's what tends to happen when there's a consensus wolf who escapes chop.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:22 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:21 pm I can use my gladiate ability, sure. Who should I use it on?
I'm actually curious to know who *you* want to use it on.

Same.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:50 am what do you think it is Jack? :0

I thought it was you because you’re the only one that’s been pressuring me, hence my “legacy is Char is town.” But I’ve been getting more and more the impression (especially after the second poison on me) that I’ve been incorrect in that assumption. To the point that I don’t mind saying it out loud.

But if a wolf didn’t want to clear someone else, they’d just not use that power. I guess. I mean, maybe they figure they might shoot the poison healer.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:46 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:30 pm I don’t understand why wolves would burn me, especially a second time. I understand why one or two players as town would burn me the first time and no idea why anyone would do it the second time.

Then again, I have only dealt with poisoning and healing in a handful of mashes so maybe I’m entirely ignorant on what the optimal strategic use of the power is.
Its probably a scum poisoner afraid of posthumously clearing more townies lol

that's the only reason I can think to hit you agian

No, I don’t think that’s it.

[VOTE: Marcher] aubergine

I don’t understand why wolves would burn me, especially a second time. I understand why one or two players as town would burn me the first time and no idea why anyone would do it the second time.

Then again, I have only dealt with poisoning and healing in a handful of mashes so maybe I’m entirely ignorant on what the optimal strategic use of the power is.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:44 pm @Jackofhearts2005 has been burnt in the night, and will die at EOD if not healed.

Hilarious.

Who was picking on UG and it bothered me? I could maybe turn that into a townread when I go see who it was.

Lol even when I vote I’m not really voting per Nanook.

Yay? Lol nice to not die and get a free wolf.

My reads kinda suck this game tho.

I’m mostly not voting Marcher to be contrary. It’s the correct flip in all likelihood.

You have to vote like you’re doing quote or img.

Replace {} with []

{vote}player{/vote}

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:59 am
PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:15 pm I will say that I am currently very uncomfortable with the Cass wagon. It feels too...easy? Does anyone even have a legitimate case on them? It still feels like universal scumread is the only reason. I'm not seeing any real reason to scumread them right now. I do want to do an ISO, but I'm not sure I'll really find anything there.
I think Cass has made some bad pushes. Particularly on LC, who I think is town.

That said, Marcher is more likely a baddie.
Can you tell me more about Long Con?

Hes been in my null reads for most the game.

Mostly gut. Like the way he’s reacted to pushes and the way he’s looking at the game rings town.

I wouldn’t bet the game on it but that’s the way it feels to me.

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:15 pm I will say that I am currently very uncomfortable with the Cass wagon. It feels too...easy? Does anyone even have a legitimate case on them? It still feels like universal scumread is the only reason. I'm not seeing any real reason to scumread them right now. I do want to do an ISO, but I'm not sure I'll really find anything there.

I think Cass has made some bad pushes. Particularly on LC, who I think is town.

That said, Marcher is more likely a baddie.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:07 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:30 pm Like in this situation, I'd just kill cayvie and watch her shout from dvc as I pull off the exact same trick all over again.
Also I want to point out that I don't actually believe this is true and it sounds like something you made up to support your narrative. On a purely mechanical level, it makes more sense to kill me and cayvie, because I'm being townread a lot more than cayvie and cayvie isn't particularly dangerous to your stated "what I'd do if I was scum here" plan.

The other issue here, I think, is that if you were scum you'd have teammates. Your plan is long and detailed, but it's also very specific and based on your specific experience in Pyre Mafia. It is not out of the question, to me, that you may have proposed such a thing in mafia chat, and your teammates shot it down or outvoted you because they felt too threatened by nutella's ability to get you executed the next day, perhaps even telling you to bring that narrative up as a reason why you would never make the nutella kill.

Generally agreed.

Isn’t “if I was a wolf, I would kill X” better used at lylo+1 anyway?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:35 am FYI my legacy is that Char is town.

[mention]Alison[/mention]

FYI my legacy is that Char is town.

I don’t have to justify shit today cause I’m dead walking. If you thought I was unyeetable before he ho.

Let’s start the day with a fun [VOTE: Cass] aubergine

I’m gonna pretend I suspected Nutella cause she was purposely acting suspicious to protect her PR. That’s what happened.

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:30 pm That kill clears me, I'd always bring over the thunderdome an extra day there.

X to doubt.

There’s massive wifom there.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:22 pm In the night...

@nutella falls into a volcano. She was town and flips:

Katara (Water Tribe)

Healing Hands: You can choose to either Protect a player at night (a doc save) or Heal a player during the day (a poison heal). You cannot use them in consecutive phases (i.e., if you use a Protect on N1, you cannot use the Heal D2, etc.). You are town, and you win when all the mafia are dead.

How will the team carry on through this tragic loss?

In addition, @Jackofhearts2005 has been burnt in the night, and will die at EOD if not healed.

Reactions:

Nutella’s town lol what do I know.

I’m burnt. Rude but I’ll just get healed.

Let’s check Nutella’s role. Oh.

DDL can be a wolf later. Stick to the plan, chums.

Coaching isn't a thing that actually happens very often in my experience, especially without brand new players. Accusations of coaching always feel either like lies or just obv wrong.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:08 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:04 pm Let's chop Marcher and Nutella and stop if one flips scum.

If one is scum, mission accomplished. If neither is scum, scum will out themselves going "This is Jack pushing to chop two townies."
In the universe marcher flips town, sure chop me first but I'd say def chop cass because maybe they're just right and I'm wrong there. Then again I also thought they might be w/w based on a quote a few posts up lmao. Idk if cass is scum I'll feel dumb for my d1 but just really didn't feel it, but the gamestate suggests I may be wrong.

And we won't have to worry about chopping you for defending Cass because we'll have already chopped you.

cayvie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:06 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:04 pm Let's chop Marcher and Nutella and stop if one flips scum.

If one is scum, mission accomplished. If neither is scum, scum will out themselves going "This is Jack pushing to chop two townies."
*shakes fist*

The plan is perfect.

Let's chop Marcher and Nutella and stop if one flips scum.

If one is scum, mission accomplished. If neither is scum, scum will out themselves going "This is Jack pushing to chop two townies."

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:46 pm Don't follow what you're saying about cass and LC

I'm just saying that if there are 4 wagons and 1 of them is a wolf, then any movement towards any other wagon could be defending a wolf.

But we don't know that one (or more) of the wagons is a wolf and we don't know which one if it is so the argument applies to anyone voting any of three different players, which makes it pretty weak and I'm recognizing it.

Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:57 am Nooter: I went into more detail in my last post but if there was a slot that I HAD to scum read it'd probably be this one. Granted I haven't taken a good look at a lot of the player roster, AND considering Nooter was basically the counter wagon to Jiwon... I think that says something but i'm not sure what. During my ISO several of his posts gave me uneasy vibes, and the more I think about this slot the better I feel about those. I'm actually gonna move this to a scum lean.

Nooter is DJNeutronStar?

Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:57 am Nutella: One of the people who came after me prettty hard. And... I liked their reasoning. Their gut reads felt VERY genuine. Getting very similar vibes like I do with Alison and Carot. Their read was wrong, sure, but it feels better than a lot of the posts that I get from both Nooter and Chard. This is someone trying to solve the game for real. Strong town.

Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:21 pm
chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:07 pm
Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:58 pm
chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:48 pm
DJ Neutron Star wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:34 pm @chardonnay
can i confirm why you're voting cassowary? you haven't said much immediately about them outside of 'something' feeling off and currently disagreeing with their PSINE read
forcing a read that they weren't really confidant in, (PSINightmare).
Oh shit I just did that huh

Yeah I didn't want my FIRST iso to be a null read so I kinda put a gun to my head and said "Nooter slightly scummy" even though it's closer to null.
I mean... there's nothing inhertly wrong with forcing a read for the sake of content generation. Its more when its done for the sake of not standing out.

Im not sure what to make of you lamp shading your own actions so quickly UG haha. You seem pretty ill at ease rn.
Oh yeah I'm absolutely ill at ease. This is a new game on an unfamiliar site, with new people I've never played. I am anxious as FUCK rn even outside of game stuff.

So I'm kinda, just talking. I'm just gonna kinda say whatever comes to me and then judge people based on how they react to that.

That's worked for me before so even if I can't fall back on familiar metas, there's always That.

And sorry if people were trying to address me before this, I'm still at work, I'll try to find time later.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:35 pm
Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:30 pm Speaking of speaking my mind and familiar metas... I REALLY feel like Grendel would know that? Like, how anxious I am in new situations and stuff... It feels REALLY weird that he'd throw that kind of shade and then keep on about it. Like, REALLY weird... This actually legit feels like a scummy Grendel play...
idk this post feels weird like... overhyping/exaggerating the scumminess of the callout in a way that i feel scum would do to justify a fake scumread of a townie

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:37 pm like the three all caps "really"s plus "actually legit feels" like. why do you have to specify that it "actually legit feels scummy" unless you know they're not scum and are taking advantage of them doing something that "actually legit feels scummy"

I just...UG feels really townie here and I don't like the way Nutella is moving in on them. Like I disagree with what she's saying at best. This could easily be a roundabout defense of Cass or LC.

Then again, when you have 4 wagons, you can say the same about a push on any of them so take that with a grain of salt.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:22 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:16 pm This is leaning me towards a Cassowary exe over a Jiwon one. This is the kind of post mafia makes to shade a townie. It's an indirect way of attacking them ("you seem pretty ill at ease") that is difficult to defend yourself against or pick apart (because the snap response is, "hey, that's just how I felt"), but is also couched in a hedgy way ("I'm not sure what to make of you...") that removes accountability for the read if UG flips town.

This is a post that wants us to narrow our eyes at UG, but without making us think "Cassowary wants us to vote UG". That's scummy.
hmm this is a solid take. on snap intuition I find cass townier and UG less so, but I could see it the other way

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:42 pm I agree with what PSI said about UG. Still iffy on LC but I'm never quite sure how to read him so he could probably be in both ranges rn. Moving to [VOTE: Ultimate Gamer] aubergine for now, let's see how he plays with a bit of pressure

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:33 pm Feeling better about LC now.

Just a note as we are looking at tied votes between 4 people.

Often I think a gamestate like this is indicative of being on the right path and that wolves have attempted to open counter wagons.

There must most definitely be a wolf amongst Cayvie, Cass, Ji or LC.

6

This feels townish, knowing Wilgy's meta. But I don't really scumread any of those players except perhaps Cass.

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Getting town LC vibes. Kinda getting town Wilgy vibes, town Chard vibes and town UG vibes.

The only person pinging me on my page 4-5 is Nutella.

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:42 am Alison
Nutella
Cayvie
Fatmo
DDL
Chard
Cass
Jack
DrWilgy
LC
Carot
Dov
U-G
Neutron
Marcher

I have just discovered colors. Have a revised version.

I'll catch up but for now, talk to me about Marcher, Neutron and Nutella. If you have a big post about these things already, linking to it is fine.

Shel*

Hey [mention]Marcher Jovian[/mention]

Shame Shep had to sub out. It’s been nice seeing her again on discord and mafia games.

Sorry. Got caught up at work/warhammer Not sure who I would have voted for as I didn’t have strong feelings about any of them.

Still feel bad tho.

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