The Syndicate

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Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:01 am
G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:57 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:53 pm G-man games are on the same level as LC/BR games.
Oh, please.

LC and BR games are far more structurally sound than mine. They are masters of balance and functionality.

My games are mostly memorable because everybody seems to lose their dang minds while playing them. It covers up the inherent flaws.
From my perspective, I definitely identify more with "My games are mostly memorable because everybody seems to lose their dang minds while playing them. It covers up the inherent flaws." than "They are masters of balance and functionality".

Relatable.

Great game [mention]Long Con[/mention] and [mention]Black Rock[/mention].

I read all your host posts.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:31 pm

It is as if this was a game comprised of champions.
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G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:34 pm Okay, well I’m glad to see that I was right about Sloonei and his garbage attempt to throw shade at me. That’s another top-notch name that I can say that I’ve busted thanks to my that internal BS detector.

I had fun up until the day people said some rough things about my choice to let you lynch me. It’s been hard to even lurk for long around here since then, but now that the game is over, I can ignore most of the words that were written about me. I didn’t give up or throw the game. I made a choice that was designed to wake people up, and it did, at least for a little while.

Always a pleasure, LC and BR. ‘Tis a pity that I won’t get to play one of these masterpieces again.

Your counterwagon was a wolf. We were already awake.

Tranq wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:01 pm Great game everyone.

@Jackofhearts2005 @juliets @other civs: i'm sorry, i tried. I really did. I could've kept going. I could've switched speedchuck and Epignosis tonight, and get the not-Ted mafia killed. Or i could've used Harriet on both of them. But in the end i had to respect the Take 5 Bomb possibility, and couldn't risk it. A well deserved win to the Master team. They played great.

You played a great game.

I was very impressed with your night action choices.

Lol Imma try something.

"Please lynch Jay I don't want to lose."

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:04 pm It occurs to me I'm been called incompetent, stupid, and clueless all in this one game.

See, me suspecting your is a compliment.

I feel like I have a very difference feeling about what is fair in mafia.

I just want players to do their best to play to their wincon and to the spirit of the game and if I'm hosting, for them to do whatever I'm trying to psychologically manipulate them into doing.

Like if someone fools me, that's impressive, that's fun. Basically no matter how they did it.

I only get upset when my team doesn't play to their wincon or when players break the spirit of the rules like "not claiming" wink wink.

If I can't convince people a baddie is mafia, then they outplayed me. It's frustrating now but it's not frustrating when the game ends. It shows their skill and everyone involved (hopefully) becomes a better player for it. If a wolf fools me here, they outplayed me. Hopefully I become a better player for it.

I'm perfectly happy to lose when I'm outplayed. I don't like losing to someone who isn't playing by the rules or because someone on my team threw.

That is to say, I don't mind emotional outbursts from wolves.

I'm not Speedchuck though. Not entirely.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:24 pm The greatest source of my current pleasure is that, despite the miserable state of this game, I know that when it's over Jack is going to feel like a dope. I can be petty too.

I wouldn't even feel like a dope if you were town.

I'd just be like

But if I let you lynch 4 townies in a row, boy would I feel stupid.

[mention]Michelle[/mention] [mention]juliets[/mention] [mention]Sloonei[/mention] [mention]tedxtr[/mention]

Like look at the things Jay says and ask yourself

"Is this a player who is getting fooled left and right and is about to lose the game after his teammate basically gave the whole team the middle finger or is this a player that is trying to push the next mislynch/antispew?"

Because I'm seeing Juliets being upset. I'm seeing Michelle being upset. I'm seeing Speed being upset. Maybe those things are faked but Jay's throwing out smiley emojis and giving life advice like everything's going according to plan. Cause it is. Cause he's a wolf and he can't help it.

I don't know how to be any more convincing than this. It's right in front of your faces. Probably two of you have alignment reasons to not listen but the other two of you ought to.

Jay: Pushes three bad lynches in a row.
Also Jay: People who townread Epi are clueless.

That's not a townie mindset.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:05 pm Are you a Master???

Epignosis - Definitely could be. People defending you are clueless. That's to your advantage though, so hats off sir.
Jackofhearts2005 - This would surprise me. Jack's got a Socky for this sort of thing so it's not impossible. But it would surprise me.
juliets - She technically could be. I don't really see it, but yanno she's a quality player and shouldn't be underestimated.
Michelle - At this point she's odds on, I think. There aren't many alternatives!
Sloonei - Very good chance. The stars are aligned.
speedchuck - After last night's meltdown, I suspect not? He hates appeal to emotion, and that would have been the worst kind.
tedxtr - Sure, could be. There aren't any good reasons to say otherwise.
TonyStarkPrime - At this point Tony would surprise me the most. I hope it happens.
Tranq - lol sure why not

What changed your reads on Sloonei and Tranq?

When your teammate self votes and you’re just like

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:26 am Ok, we should channel our anger into something productive. What is the best use of our time today?

Posting sarcastic anime gifs.

-some lion, probably

My avatar is still top notch though so I’ve got that going for me, which is nice. Sometimes I just look at it for a while. The Fifth Holy Grail Grand Prix is so damn funny. Idk what they were thinking having death matches. Should have been car races all along.

It’s morning and I’m still mad GMannself voted.

The Realms banned self voting from the getgo for exactly this reason.

Eureka!

I've been thinking Juliets is town.

Spoiler: show

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:26 am A part of me thinks Sloonei is town because it's so blatant if he's not and he fought me on TH the same way and it was frustrating the same way.

It's Jay. I know it's Jay. I don't know who else it is.

Juliets and Sloonei wouldn't follow me on Mac or Jay.

Ted and Michelle followed on Mac but not Jay.

Would I be entirely stupid for thinking it's Jay and Juliets only of that group?

I'd have to be. I've had GMan down as probably mafia. Someone I've been thinking is town is scum.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:28 am Ok. So Jay is wolf based on behaviour and you suspect Sloonei as his team mate.
These were exactly my town reads and now I have to change them to trust you.

Talk to me about everyone please. I have to read few pages and I should return to reread, I dropped that because I worked yesterday and I am sorry.

Forget Sloonei.

Why do you trust Jay?

A part of me thinks Sloonei is town because it's so blatant if he's not and he fought me on TH the same way and it was frustrating the same way.

It's Jay. I know it's Jay. I don't know who else it is.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:34 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:30 pm @Epignosis @Jackofhearts2005 @TonyStarkPrime @Tranq @speedchuck

Could you tell me maybe the top 3 reasons Jay looks bad to you? My town reads are voting for him so I'm paying attention.
1) POE
2) Leading us in the wrong direction including opportunistic push on TH when the dream ended
3) Voting like Mac’s teammate
4) Sudden realization of hints about how Dom used his abilities taking someone out of the poe and leaving it with a logical wolfteam including Jay

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:03 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:50 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:47 pm This is only even a contest because Jay has teammates.

If GMan has teammates, they’re bussing. Yet there are five votes for town Jay?

No way that’s happening. Just look at the vote count and tell me Jay can even be town here.
All it takes is one or two vocal civilians promoting a case and the wolves can start circling.
Who are the wolves on Jay’s wagon?
From most to least suspicious:
Speedchuck
Epi
Tranq
Tony
You
That’s one wolf tops.
Who and why?
Tranq is the most obvious not tmiing and not having teammates player I’ve ever seen.

Tony was instrumental in Mac’s lynch and does not appear to be teamed with Sig/Radishes/Sabie and Tony is a good wolf boy who defends his teammates.

Epi probably had btsc with Dom and Dom townread him and Juliets, who also had btsc with Dom from what I can tell, turned her read on Epi in a way that makes me think they both met with Dom. Dom has a good record of finding town Epi. He was certain Epi was town in inception. Plus, for Epi to be a wolf, he’d have had to get btsc with Dom, fake claim and then leave Dom alive for several kills. Plus, he seemed really unaligned with Sig and Mac. Jay disagrees with that take and Jay is a wolf.

My role card says I’m town.

Speed, I gut read town. It’s not a strong gutread. He could be bussing Jay. Idk.

Like I said, one wolf tops.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:12 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:03 pm In what world does a civilian vote for himself when the game hangs in the balance as it does right now?
You don’t believe this.

In what world does a wolf do this?

Self voting is NAI because it’s against any wincon 99% of the time and we’re not in that 1% corner case.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:04 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:04 pm G-Man's final Day 2 vote was for Sloonei, not Mac.
Which is, frankly, gross.

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine
Jay: We can’t afford a mislynch.
Also Jay: Here is the weakest excuse ever to vote my counterwagon.

It doesn’t matter what GMan’s alignment is.

This is NOT town Jay

True true. I was kinda jealous I hadn’t thought of it.

That used to be my schtick but tbh, I’d rather be unlynchable.

Only works on civvies.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:16 am So the master team has an open doctor, if I’m reading this right.

Has the Undertaker really never fought Shinsuke Nakamura? Worst tragedy since today's lynch.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:50 pm Master team is having an absolute ball right now

I'm happy for you. I really am.

I’m gonna pretend wrestling is real and watch Asian Freddy Mercury fight an undead guy while I do laundry.

I’m gonna pretend that a wolf gets arrowed tonight and everyone starts listening to me.

I’m gonna pretend that was autocorrect’s fault and not a typo.

I’m just gonna pretend I don’t vote Colin.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:42 pm Like as a wolf, you’re trying to make other people think you’re being a nice peace seeking townie trying to shake a tunnel.

But if you really were that townie? You’d be embarrassed about mislynching three townies in a row. You wouldn’t feel like you were in a position to give anyone advice.

It’s an act.
That wasn't advice. It was a plea to stop for a millisecond and try to see the game through a different lens, because you're wrong and the game is nigh unwinnable if you get your way.

You got your way three dead townies in a row.

When the town listens to me, we lynch wolves.

I’m Joe Biden and it’s my fucking turn.

This is so stupid.

I’m never going to convince Jay to admit he’s a wolf and he’s never going to convince me he’s town.

Which is again why the townies in [mention]tedxtr[/mention] and [mention]Michelle[/mention] and [mention]juliets[/mention] need to come around to my way of thinking on Jay.

Like as a wolf, you’re trying to make other people think you’re being a nice peace seeking townie trying to shake a tunnel.

But if you really were that townie? You’d be embarrassed about mislynching three townies in a row. You wouldn’t feel like you were in a position to give anyone advice.

It’s an act.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:33 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:27 pm Like Jay and Sloonei, she refused to even consider voting Mac.
This right here is a great place for you to plant a foundation in the reset you absolutely must do if this game is to have a prayer in hell. Go back and look at what actually happened in this thread on Days 2 and 3. I don't think you'll find what you just said here.

Stop giving me advice.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:34 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:33 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:30 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:27 pm Mac’s team has a safeclaim via the janitor. Telling Dom “her role” doesn’t clear her of being on the team she absolutely refuses to vote for.
That is a very good point, minus the presupposed "team". And consider the implications beyond just juliets.
By all means, shoot Tony or whoever and try to lynch me tomorrow.
What? I'm talking about Epignosis. Holy hell you're far gone

Whatever obvious townie you want to try to lynch.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:32 pm How many times can Jack claim that I ignored the case on Mac?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:30 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:27 pm Mac’s team has a safeclaim via the janitor. Telling Dom “her role” doesn’t clear her of being on the team she absolutely refuses to vote for.
That is a very good point, minus the presupposed "team". And consider the implications beyond just juliets.

By all means, shoot Tony or whoever and try to lynch me tomorrow.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:29 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:15 pm Jay never ever ever survives the day without teammates. There’s no way that wasn’t super obvious.
Be ready for a surprise.

Got one up my sleeve for you, champ.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:21 pm Jay, Sloonei, and probably Ted are still mafia. My reads are the same. Screw this game. Screw the unwillingness of anyone on this stupid forum to lynch Jay when he's pumping out worthless content because 'other players are posting less'.

And screw self-voting as well.

I honestly think it’s Juliets.

If she met with Dom, she should have enough mechanical knowledge to vote Jay.

I at mentioned her at least three times asking her to vote Jay. She said she trusted everyone on the Jay wagon and in the end? She blamed her vote on Tony.

Like Jay and Sloonei, she refused to even consider voting Mac.

Mac’s team has a safeclaim via the janitor. Telling Dom “her role” doesn’t clear her of being on the team she absolutely refuses to vote for.

Jay defended the fuck out of her as well.

The only thing stopping me from locking her as scum is that I haven’t paid enough attention to Michelle or Ted to stop suspecting them.

Ted Cruz does a better job of knowingly arguing bullshit points.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:19 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:16 pm There wasn’t even a case on GMan.
Read the damn thread with the rest of us please.

Ted flat admitted there was no case on GMan.

Both Epi and I immediately called bullshit on the idea only wolves self vote, which was Jay’s reason for voting GMan.

I’m honestly pretty pissed GMan self voted. Like not self voting is below the bare minimum of what you can do as a townie to help your team win.

There wasn’t even a case on GMan.

Jay never ever ever survives the day without teammates. There’s no way that wasn’t super obvious.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:12 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:07 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:04 pm How many low hanging fruit lynches does Jay have to lead and how many wolves do I have to lynch before whoever among @Michelle @juliets @Sloonei @tedxtr is town starts listening to me?
Because you can’t all be wolves. Jay only has two teammates. Two of you are just not listening.
I am listening. I have not agreed with you. I might now. I don't know. I don't think he needs to be bad here but I won't ignore the possibility.
Lol okay. So Sloonei is still one of the wolves.
Dude what

It’s fine. Just shoot me and bulldoze the town. Put me out of my misery.

Let’s go Ollie.

“I know Jay has lead three townie lynches and I’ll tell you tomorrow if I need to bus him cause idk what the numbers will look like.”

-Obvious wolf Sloonei

Loading up my boomerang arrow and my diamond arrow and my bottle bleach arrow....

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