The Syndicate

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:00 pm Do you post links to the scum/dead QCs when it's all done here?

Scum chat aka my diary. http://us20.chatzy.com/16812335454974

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:35 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:08 am i knew jack was bad with cbob's mislynch. killing audrey off sealed the deal for me. well played by all. was really nice to spectate, sometimes the good guys just don't win.

I literally never win ever. So I think I may disappear from mafia again for awhile. Like this just isnt the place for me.

Stick around. We like having you.

Last year, I won I think one, maybe two games out of about a dozen and generally, the town has been going through a dry spell on the Syndicate. It’s not a Sabie problem, you know?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:41 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:20 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:14 pm Well done, Jack. Bussing speed was the smart play and you pulled it off well.

Is that it?

Ebwop

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:11 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:08 am Yeah, I figured you and Bob would be unconvinced. I thought the Audrey kill especially would be a giveaway like “only Jack shoots an inactive going into lylo.” Luckily she had static reads.

At LyLo I was primarily triggered by two things you did:

You built a thousand convoluted scenarios about who kills who and when and why and who doesn't kill whoever blah blah -- I did the same thing at LyLo in Phenon: Origins to secure my own mafia win there. It looked very fake to me.

Then when you criticized leetic for failing to consider sabie as a mafioso enough, I was like "what the fuck? Jack hasn't given that theory any attention either"

It hardly matters. I was dead. I don't envy leetic or sabie (and I certainly don't blame them) for what they had to contend with.

At that point I was struggling to not be “conductor Jack” who has clearly planned out the exact mislynches needed to win. Sabie was triggered a bit by my calmness. But I also knew that Leetic was both my best mislynch path and the most logical townJack vote. So I pretended to waffle and Leetic eventually saved me from having to do it anymore.

Tbf, Leetic had Sabie in his poe and had voted Sabie several times. I isoed Sabie three times and couldn’t find anything believable to grab onto. It was easier to defend her all game. She hadn’t put in the same effort Leetic had but she was just really townie imo. Best I could do was “Leetic seems town and that would make Sabie scum” but it always followed “but I really don’t think Sabie is scum.”

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:03 am I wanted Jack's head at LyLo.

I was pretty into his case against bob a few days back though. I thought that was his best achievement here, getting that mislynch outside the general POE.

Yeah, I figured you and Bob would be unconvinced. I thought the Audrey kill especially would be a giveaway like “only Jack shoots an inactive going into lylo.” Luckily she had static reads.

I’m not sure how to take everyone else’s reactions. Usually after a scumwin, all dead/spec players are like “Jack was so damn scummy. Why didn’t you just lynch him?”

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:00 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:24 pm First of all, I am not prepared to discard a mafia team comprised of Lunalee, Jack, and speedchuck. I see no good reason why that can't exist. I'll assess the rest separately.

Jack: We are getting murdered out there. How did Jay find us already?
Speed: No kidding. Jay is so good at mafia. At least Luna is safe.
Luna: Hold my beer.

I did my best not to wink at the camera.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:43 am We'll see how players can handle the next nine months trying to wrest that Best Mafioso socky from you, Jackaroo.

Hey look, I did a thing maybe worth a socky.

Thanks for the game, Epi. Your role pm poems were tops.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:39 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:30 am Not sure why the thread was locked. Sometimes that's glitchy. Jack must have been salivating for a chance to gloat.

It's open.

I locked it so nobody would post silly gifs.

[mention]leetic[/mention]
You played an amazing game and I was worried you were gonna convince Sabie in the end.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
Good god you are scurry when you’re towning.

[mention]Lunalee[/mention]
Thank you for switching up your scum meta so I could make a mislynch case on Bob. Not sure if it was intentional but it was real helpful.

I had these prepared hours ago.

Well votes are locked so let’s see who the wolf was.

I’m here but I don’t have anything new to say. I just hope Sabie doesn’t switch.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:34 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:15 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:04 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:57 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:44 pm I am still kind of iffy on what to do for sure. I was kind of thinking jack seems more overly confident than leetic. I wonder though because what if he feels that way because he is the baddie and the suspicion has been on me and leetic more than him lately so he figured he's in the clear. Leetic has been more strongly defending himself whereas jack is more so carefully building a case against leetic. What I remembered from civ jack before was he wasn't as calm he was more intense and aggressive about getting the baddies and about me helping him to get the baddies. Just something of note that I've been kinda thinking about.


Sucks that end of day is so late when old lady sabbz tries to go to bed.

I'm confident because I know it's Leetic. Seems jokey but seriously, I've been confident of my top suspect every day except the beginning of today until Leetic outted. First two were mafia so I was right to be confident. Next two were town and that sucks but I tried really hard to get Eloh to explain her inconsistent reads and she just kept lying about them instead. Liar with convenient reads seemed like a sure thing. Bob's on me. I'm notoriously bad at reading Bob (his sig on our homesite is townie me saying "You're not Nightblue" and then the host saying "CBob is dead. He was Nightblue (Town).") I got overconfident since I trusted you, Nova and Leetic and for half of my case, I thought he was the only one besides Rey who would shoot Sloonei since I didn't know that Rey really did shoot Sloonei.

Are you talking about World Asunder or what? Cause I went after a group of ~5 townies in that game based almost entirely off night actions. And I had the hunger going on that I couldn't talk about. And I kept getting BTSC with my suspects and then I started (wrongly) trusting them. And everyone kept listening to DH for some reason even though they knew he wasn't town and it caused lots of problems and I got kinda salty over it. It was a pretty poorly played and frustrating town game of mine.

Since then, I've played 3 town games on MU where I helped kick the crap out of the mafia and then turned around and caught two wolves here. So yeah. I'm sure I come off as more confident and collected than in World Asunder where I was ranting about burning swimming pools and not catching any bad guys.

Well, the case you're so confident on today is untrue as well. So either you've fallen downhill in catching mafia since D2, or you are mafia trying to lead easy mislynches. After everything, and especially this last day phase, I find the latter to be much more likely, but it's still not too late to convince me. If you're not the mafia, then sabie is, so give me a convincing case that she could possibly be mafia. 'Til then, my vote's on you.

You keep asking me to case Sabie and it's not going to happen. I don't think Sabie's the wolf.

sabie12

You see this right? Why would a townie keep asking me this? He knows we're town and wins if he convinces one of us but he doesn't have a case so instead he's just asking me to case you and begging you to townread him. A townie would try to figure out who the mafia is. Look bad at your posts today. You're considering angles. Look back at mine. I'm doing the same. Look at Leetic's. He's not considering angles or scenarios. His case on me was inaccurate because he doesn't care about figuring me out. His case on you doesn't exist and he keeps asking me to make it for him because he doesn't care about figuring you out. He's strictly trying to convince with emotional appeals. "It's not too late." "I beg you to reconsider." It's just manipulation.

Now look here. I'm not asking you to case sabie because I know you're both town (in truth, I know one of you is scum). I'm doing it because I don't want a mislynch, and there is a chance (although I feel a small one) that sabie is the last scum and we are wasting our time fighting each other. So if that's the case, I want you to try and present a case on sabie. It's simple cooperation. Also, you're lying about my cases on the two of you, I've already made them and going through them, I feel my case on you is stronger. The reason I had to reach out to sabie is because, of the two of you, she seemed less set in her vote, and I know that there is a 0% chance of town winning if I am the lynch today. I've been trying to get you to consider all options, but you've been tunneling hard this last day, and even criticizing me for trying to view this from all sides. This hastiness just makes it far more clear that you're scum.

Man, make up your mind on if you're sure I'm a wolf or not.

How am I being hasty? You voted me first. I was conflicted until you came in saying you were sure I was the wolf because I up and decided to bus Speed on D2 after the Luna lynch, which absolutely did not happen and there's no way you can look at my posts and think it happened since Speed was my number one scumread on D1.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:04 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:57 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:44 pm I am still kind of iffy on what to do for sure. I was kind of thinking jack seems more overly confident than leetic. I wonder though because what if he feels that way because he is the baddie and the suspicion has been on me and leetic more than him lately so he figured he's in the clear. Leetic has been more strongly defending himself whereas jack is more so carefully building a case against leetic. What I remembered from civ jack before was he wasn't as calm he was more intense and aggressive about getting the baddies and about me helping him to get the baddies. Just something of note that I've been kinda thinking about.


Sucks that end of day is so late when old lady sabbz tries to go to bed.

I'm confident because I know it's Leetic. Seems jokey but seriously, I've been confident of my top suspect every day except the beginning of today until Leetic outted. First two were mafia so I was right to be confident. Next two were town and that sucks but I tried really hard to get Eloh to explain her inconsistent reads and she just kept lying about them instead. Liar with convenient reads seemed like a sure thing. Bob's on me. I'm notoriously bad at reading Bob (his sig on our homesite is townie me saying "You're not Nightblue" and then the host saying "CBob is dead. He was Nightblue (Town).") I got overconfident since I trusted you, Nova and Leetic and for half of my case, I thought he was the only one besides Rey who would shoot Sloonei since I didn't know that Rey really did shoot Sloonei.

Are you talking about World Asunder or what? Cause I went after a group of ~5 townies in that game based almost entirely off night actions. And I had the hunger going on that I couldn't talk about. And I kept getting BTSC with my suspects and then I started (wrongly) trusting them. And everyone kept listening to DH for some reason even though they knew he wasn't town and it caused lots of problems and I got kinda salty over it. It was a pretty poorly played and frustrating town game of mine.

Since then, I've played 3 town games on MU where I helped kick the crap out of the mafia and then turned around and caught two wolves here. So yeah. I'm sure I come off as more confident and collected than in World Asunder where I was ranting about burning swimming pools and not catching any bad guys.

Well, the case you're so confident on today is untrue as well. So either you've fallen downhill in catching mafia since D2, or you are mafia trying to lead easy mislynches. After everything, and especially this last day phase, I find the latter to be much more likely, but it's still not too late to convince me. If you're not the mafia, then sabie is, so give me a convincing case that she could possibly be mafia. 'Til then, my vote's on you.

You keep asking me to case Sabie and it's not going to happen. I don't think Sabie's the wolf.

[mention]sabie12[/mention]

You see this right? Why would a townie keep asking me this? He knows we're town and wins if he convinces one of us but he doesn't have a case so instead he's just asking me to case you and begging you to townread him. A townie would try to figure out who the mafia is. Look bad at your posts today. You're considering angles. Look back at mine. I'm doing the same. Look at Leetic's. He's not considering angles or scenarios. His case on me was inaccurate because he doesn't care about figuring me out. His case on you doesn't exist and he keeps asking me to make it for him because he doesn't care about figuring you out. He's strictly trying to convince with emotional appeals. "It's not too late." "I beg you to reconsider." It's just manipulation.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:44 pm I am still kind of iffy on what to do for sure. I was kind of thinking jack seems more overly confident than leetic. I wonder though because what if he feels that way because he is the baddie and the suspicion has been on me and leetic more than him lately so he figured he's in the clear. Leetic has been more strongly defending himself whereas jack is more so carefully building a case against leetic. What I remembered from civ jack before was he wasn't as calm he was more intense and aggressive about getting the baddies and about me helping him to get the baddies. Just something of note that I've been kinda thinking about.


Sucks that end of day is so late when old lady sabbz tries to go to bed.

I'm confident because I know it's Leetic. Seems jokey but seriously, I've been confident of my top suspect every day except the beginning of today until Leetic outted. First two were mafia so I was right to be confident. Next two were town and that sucks but I tried really hard to get Eloh to explain her inconsistent reads and she just kept lying about them instead. Liar with convenient reads seemed like a sure thing. Bob's on me. I'm notoriously bad at reading Bob (his sig on our homesite is townie me saying "You're not Nightblue" and then the host saying "CBob is dead. He was Nightblue (Town).") I got overconfident since I trusted you, Nova and Leetic and for half of my case, I thought he was the only one besides Rey who would shoot Sloonei since I didn't know that Rey really did shoot Sloonei.

Are you talking about World Asunder or what? Cause I went after a group of ~5 townies in that game based almost entirely off night actions. And I had the hunger going on that I couldn't talk about. And I kept getting BTSC with my suspects and then I started (wrongly) trusting them. And everyone kept listening to DH for some reason even though they knew he wasn't town and it caused lots of problems and I got kinda salty over it. It was a pretty poorly played and frustrating town game of mine.

Since then, I've played 3 town games on MU where I helped kick the crap out of the mafia and then turned around and caught two wolves here. So yeah. I'm sure I come off as more confident and collected than in World Asunder where I was ranting about burning swimming pools and not catching any bad guys.

Yesterday, you tried to lynch Sabie or Bob. Today, you tried to lynch Sabie or me.

Like I’ve been saying, it hasn’t been about lynching the wolf. It’s been about anyone.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:36 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:19 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:53 pm “Jack bussed Speedchuck on D2 after Luna was lynched.”

“Yeah, no, I was all over Speed on D1.”

“Well then I guess you just bussed hard from the beginning.”

Okay, yeah. That sounds like a real thought. The magical case that shifts to always come to the same conclusion regardless of facts.

You didn’t have a Sabie case. Your case was iirc, one post that I disagreed with you on and afterwards, your case has been “I don’t have a reason to townread Sabie and that’s enough.” No it isn’t. You didn’t believe that.

Last time Speed and I wolfed together (Pirates), I didn’t bus him even though he was suspicious af.

The last two times he was wolf and I was not prior to this game, I either attempted to nk him after scumreading him (Workd Asunder. Was blocked and killed instead. Oof) or lead a lynch on him (Ancient Greece).

I’m good at catching Speed and Speed and Luna we’re both suspicious here, even if you pretended not to see it until D2.

Linki: It was a typo. I’m on my phone. Probably and provably are a millimeter different. If I was a wolf, I wouldn’t hedge on that either. Fake argument.

First of all, my point is, both you and sabie were on speedchuck, so no matter who is scum, they were bussing D1. Stop strawmanning me. Plus, convenient how you still ignore my D2 ISO. Also, I'm not sure if you are one to trust regarding your scumgame, since I am unfamiliar with you and have no way to dispute that, plus you could always change your playstyle. At least I am not posting links to my old scum games to prove I'm not scum. Nice effort, but I can see right through you. Oh well, I guess it is up to sabie to play kingmaker.

I’m not arguing at you because I think you’re the wolf. I’m arguing at Sabie, who was in one of those games.

Here’s the other http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =27&t=1573

The point isn’t “this is my style.” The point is “I know wolfchuck when I see him. I didn’t decide to bus him immediately. I caught him.”

No, the wolf wasn’t necessarily bussing D1 because you weren’t voting Luna or Speed. You wanted to lynch Rey.

You’re calling out me ignoring your D2 but you just wrote off my entire D1 and D2 without even reading them like “must be bussing.”

Once again for the people in the back. You aren’t trying to catch scum. You’re trying to mislynch either player.

You aren't trying to lynch scum. You're trying to mislynch me (and I can tell that has been your plan since at least the last night). Is it any coincidence that the two players you defended heavily were the last two left? You wanted us to go after each other and then pick one of us to take down. But now I cause a hole in your plan by going after you, and now you are getting hasty. Now you're just trying to convince sabie to go along with your plan to end the game.

If there were 5 more players alive, I’d call this tinfoil.

You act like I’m encouraging you guys to suspect each other. But consistently, I’ve found nothing suspicious about Sabie and shot down the nothing you’ve brought out to convince me to vote her. The only reason I’ve ever suspected her even now is when I read townie sounding stuff from you. That’s not a wolf setting up two townies. That’s a townie evaluating a pair of players to find a wolf.

Contrast you keep asking me to case Sabie for you. You keep telling me there’s no reason to townread her.

I’m pursuing a lynch on you.

You’re pursuing a lynch on me or Sabie.

Well, I'm now totally pursuing a lynch on you. I'm actually giving you a chance to save yourself by explaining sabie, as I don't want to mislynch town and if you legitimately believe that I'm confused, I'd like it if you pointed it out. But no. You just choose to dig yourself deeper in my eyes, in the hopes that sabie will choose you when it's time to play kingmaker. Just no.

I don’t think you’re confused.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:19 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:53 pm “Jack bussed Speedchuck on D2 after Luna was lynched.”

“Yeah, no, I was all over Speed on D1.”

“Well then I guess you just bussed hard from the beginning.”

Okay, yeah. That sounds like a real thought. The magical case that shifts to always come to the same conclusion regardless of facts.

You didn’t have a Sabie case. Your case was iirc, one post that I disagreed with you on and afterwards, your case has been “I don’t have a reason to townread Sabie and that’s enough.” No it isn’t. You didn’t believe that.

Last time Speed and I wolfed together (Pirates), I didn’t bus him even though he was suspicious af.

The last two times he was wolf and I was not prior to this game, I either attempted to nk him after scumreading him (Workd Asunder. Was blocked and killed instead. Oof) or lead a lynch on him (Ancient Greece).

I’m good at catching Speed and Speed and Luna we’re both suspicious here, even if you pretended not to see it until D2.

Linki: It was a typo. I’m on my phone. Probably and provably are a millimeter different. If I was a wolf, I wouldn’t hedge on that either. Fake argument.

First of all, my point is, both you and sabie were on speedchuck, so no matter who is scum, they were bussing D1. Stop strawmanning me. Plus, convenient how you still ignore my D2 ISO. Also, I'm not sure if you are one to trust regarding your scumgame, since I am unfamiliar with you and have no way to dispute that, plus you could always change your playstyle. At least I am not posting links to my old scum games to prove I'm not scum. Nice effort, but I can see right through you. Oh well, I guess it is up to sabie to play kingmaker.

I’m not arguing at you because I think you’re the wolf. I’m arguing at Sabie, who was in one of those games.

Here’s the other http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =27&t=1573

The point isn’t “this is my style.” The point is “I know wolfchuck when I see him. I didn’t decide to bus him immediately. I caught him.”

No, the wolf wasn’t necessarily bussing D1 because you weren’t voting Luna or Speed. You wanted to lynch Rey.

You’re calling out me ignoring your D2 but you just wrote off my entire D1 and D2 without even reading them like “must be bussing.”

Once again for the people in the back. You aren’t trying to catch scum. You’re trying to mislynch either player.

You aren't trying to lynch scum. You're trying to mislynch me (and I can tell that has been your plan since at least the last night). Is it any coincidence that the two players you defended heavily were the last two left? You wanted us to go after each other and then pick one of us to take down. But now I cause a hole in your plan by going after you, and now you are getting hasty. Now you're just trying to convince sabie to go along with your plan to end the game.

If there were 5 more players alive, I’d call this tinfoil.

You act like I’m encouraging you guys to suspect each other. But consistently, I’ve found nothing suspicious about Sabie and shot down the nothing you’ve brought out to convince me to vote her. The only reason I’ve ever suspected her even now is when I read townie sounding stuff from you. That’s not a wolf setting up two townies. That’s a townie evaluating a pair of players to find a wolf.

Contrast you keep asking me to case Sabie for you. You keep telling me there’s no reason to townread her.

I’m pursuing a lynch on you.

You’re pursuing a lynch on me or Sabie.

And this revelation came to you suddenly after 5 phases? Not because I wasn’t going to follow your vote on Sabie?



You keep asking me to case Sabie for you but I’m not going to. It would be convinient for you if I’d vote Sabie but I vote my scumreads.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:53 pm “Jack bussed Speedchuck on D2 after Luna was lynched.”

“Yeah, no, I was all over Speed on D1.”

“Well then I guess you just bussed hard from the beginning.”

Okay, yeah. That sounds like a real thought. The magical case that shifts to always come to the same conclusion regardless of facts.

You didn’t have a Sabie case. Your case was iirc, one post that I disagreed with you on and afterwards, your case has been “I don’t have a reason to townread Sabie and that’s enough.” No it isn’t. You didn’t believe that.

Last time Speed and I wolfed together (Pirates), I didn’t bus him even though he was suspicious af.

The last two times he was wolf and I was not prior to this game, I either attempted to nk him after scumreading him (Workd Asunder. Was blocked and killed instead. Oof) or lead a lynch on him (Ancient Greece).

I’m good at catching Speed and Speed and Luna we’re both suspicious here, even if you pretended not to see it until D2.

Linki: It was a typo. I’m on my phone. Probably and provably are a millimeter different. If I was a wolf, I wouldn’t hedge on that either. Fake argument.

First of all, my point is, both you and sabie were on speedchuck, so no matter who is scum, they were bussing D1. Stop strawmanning me. Plus, convenient how you still ignore my D2 ISO. Also, I'm not sure if you are one to trust regarding your scumgame, since I am unfamiliar with you and have no way to dispute that, plus you could always change your playstyle. At least I am not posting links to my old scum games to prove I'm not scum. Nice effort, but I can see right through you. Oh well, I guess it is up to sabie to play kingmaker.

I’m not arguing at you because I think you’re the wolf. I’m arguing at Sabie, who was in one of those games.

Here’s the other http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =27&t=1573

The point isn’t “this is my style.” The point is “I know wolfchuck when I see him. I didn’t decide to bus him immediately. I caught him.”

No, the wolf wasn’t necessarily bussing D1 because you weren’t voting Luna or Speed. You wanted to lynch Rey.

You’re calling out me ignoring your D2 but you just wrote off my entire D1 and D2 without even reading them like “must be bussing.”

Once again for the people in the back. You aren’t trying to catch scum. You’re trying to mislynch either player.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:06 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:31 pm If you have a case on Sabie, I’m all ears, but I’ve isoed her several times and been over her interactions with Luna several times and I don’t see a wolf there.

At this point with there being so few candidates, lack of reason to townread someone is a good enough reason to scumread someone. Unless you can give me a valid case that sabie is town (and I mean TOWN, not "not scum"), my suspicion of her will hold.

But I’m not trying to convince you and this does nothing to convince me.

It's simple POE. Audrey is basically cleared town, and you at least have the speedchuck vote going for you, as well as a lot of activity. I see no reason to read sabie as town, and thus she stands out as the most likely suspect.

Also not solving.

I’m not saying you’ve never given a reason to suspect Sabie. I’m saying today, you voted Sabie without caring if she was mafia and then you voted me based on a completely false idea without caring if it was true or not and then when I showed you the truth, you just went and edited your (fake) opinion to reflect the actual facts without blinking.

Cause none of this is based on who you suspect or why you suspect them. It’s based on getting a mislynch.

This is in sharp contrast to my play, where I have looked hard at every player, analyzed every angle, stuck my neck out for players others suspected who I townread (you, Sabie) and pushed reads that players disagreed with (Speed, Bob) because I am trying to solve. Yeah, I was wrong on some of those but at the end of the day, people followed my reads because they were honest. They made sense. The logic followed. My conclusions followed my evidence. You’re building cases backwards. You’re starting with a conclusion and then building the evidence. Because it’s not an honest attempt to find scum.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:31 pm If you have a case on Sabie, I’m all ears, but I’ve isoed her several times and been over her interactions with Luna several times and I don’t see a wolf there.

At this point with there being so few candidates, lack of reason to townread someone is a good enough reason to scumread someone. Unless you can give me a valid case that sabie is town (and I mean TOWN, not "not scum"), my suspicion of her will hold.

The Sabie case.

This is not a solve attempt.

“Jack bussed Speedchuck on D2 after Luna was lynched.”

“Yeah, no, I was all over Speed on D1.”

“Well then I guess you just bussed hard from the beginning.”

Okay, yeah. That sounds like a real thought. The magical case that shifts to always come to the same conclusion regardless of facts.

You didn’t have a Sabie case. Your case was iirc, one post that I disagreed with you on and afterwards, your case has been “I don’t have a reason to townread Sabie and that’s enough.” No it isn’t. You didn’t believe that.

Last time Speed and I wolfed together (Pirates), I didn’t bus him even though he was suspicious af.

The last two times he was wolf and I was not prior to this game, I either attempted to nk him after scumreading him (Workd Asunder. Was blocked and killed instead. Oof) or lead a lynch on him (Ancient Greece).

I’m good at catching Speed and Speed and Luna we’re both suspicious here, even if you pretended not to see it until D2.

Linki: It was a typo. I’m on my phone. Probably and provably are a millimeter different. If I was a wolf, I wouldn’t hedge on that either. Fake argument.

case that is *provably* untrue

God, that took an hour.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:53 pm Day one was terrible for scum, so Jack and speedchuck decided all bets were off D2 so they bussed as hard as they could so that the remaining scum member would look good. JJJ kill was obvious no matter who was scum, but it works for Jack as JJJ was Jack's biggest accuser (he hadn't been accusing speedchuck as much during N1). Jack's next goal was to take control of the thread so that he could target people to be lynched. Nutella had to be killed because she was a vocal user who threatened his control over the thread. I was vocal too, but as I hadn't voiced strong suspicion on Jack since D1 and multiple users voiced suspicion on me, he could leave me around long enough to use me and then throw me out on an easy mislynch. Nova and Audrey were obvious kills, he even pointed out how they were on nobody's POE lists. All the while he's been subtly pushing the narrative that he is town, I believe another user pointed this out on one of his "off topic" posts but there was also him expressing fear of being nightkilled, despite likely knowing full well Audrey was the optimal target. Overall, this LyLo seems like too comfortable a position for Jack.

Jack, you played well. Reminds me of my scum play in Paragon. But like in that game, by -yLo it's just easy to tell what you've been doing. sabie12 help me secure this.

Thanks for outting.

Part of your problem is that you make the case that a player with a strategy must be scum so ergo it’s Jack but that works for it being Leetic, too. You’ve spent all game pushing Sabie but you have no case on her. That wasn’t going to fly with me. Sabie started doubting me. You switched your read. It’s not in response to anything townie Sabie did or anything scummy I did. It’s “spontaneous.” Out of nowhere. Based on thread momentum, not your suspicions. You aren’t trying to hunt. You’re trying to convince.

You say that Speed and I decided to bus each other D2 after Luna was lynched but this literally didn’t happen. Here’s what I have to say about Speed D1.

He’s scum for buddying Jay and for a fake looking Nutella push.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:39 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:19 pm JackofHearts2005 - Posted a lot, but very little was game related. For that reason, slight scum lean.

Welcome to my town and scum meta for early game. One upon a time, a guy named Rokk Krinn told me that my meta was to act like I was messing around and then suddenly the trap swings shut and I lynch the mafia or setup a key mislynch. You never see it coming.

Now, I think that was a bit generous of him but it's true that I tend to joke around early and turn serious later, when I have a better feel for things.

Anyway.

Townread - Jay for the effort.

Scumread - Speed for buddying Jay and the bleh push on Nutella.

It's like 5 posts into D1. I'm me. I don't have 2 townreads and 2 scumreads yet.

Speed and Luna are both scum for Luna’s interaction with Speed.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:05 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:02 pm

Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:39 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:15 pm

Yep.

Filler post. And you said REY was trying too hard? Bugger off with that.

The fuck is a filler post? Do you not want me to generate content? I don't believe you really suspect me for that post. You just thought it would be an easy thing to appear suspicious of.

Yes, I want you to generate content. That post said nothing, had no content.

I am accusing you of pretending to generate content. Was that unclear?

Well they're my thoughts so far, take them or leave them. I'm accusing you of fabricating a suspicion.

Oh right, this stuff.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:38 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:27 pm voting nutella. The speed wagon looks scummy.

How so and why me?

It looks like Jay wants to lynch speedchuck, and you've just enthusiastically agreed with his opinions. Did you post any of your own reasons about why you're voting speed?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:59 pm @Lunalee, what is your present read on speedchuck?

I really don't know. The lynch just looks opportunistic, but maybe I've missed something.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:35 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:41 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:39 pm [VOTE: Luna] aubergine

I need to know why. My entire body is exploding in euphoric tingles in anticipation.

"Hey guys this speedchuck lynch feels like a dogpile" which feels like the preamble to "ok I've read over the case and think I'm good with this lynch" and then "oh noes I should have stayed strong definitely there was a mafia pushing on speed"

you're predicting what I'm going to do next and calling it scummy?

This is bad.

Is Luna teamed with Speed or setting up what to do when he’s mislynched? Cause I’m seeing potential for both. (I know Bob’s been saying it but I’ve been strongly leaning on probably teamed.)

I wanted Speed dead regardless of Luna’s alignment.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:33 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:22 pm Luna goes from pure defense and maybe some shade from the sidelines to diving into the thread, declaring peace over, causing a tie on me, and saying you’re bad too.

What did she think was going to happen?

Beats me. I don't care much for motivations behind these kind of reactions 'cause everyone wants to live civvies and baddies alike, and people reacts in different ways. The tone is relevant though, and I'm not getting genuine vibes from her at the moment tbh. Might be tainted by her other stuff.

Are you unable to reconcile her reaction to the votes with a baddie?

Far from it. I’m trying to read Speed based on her reaction.

Maybe she’s just cracking under pressure.

Maybe she figures a lynch on her while distancing from wolfSpeed is better than a lynch on wolf Speed with her on the list of teammates.

I’m probably voting Speed tomorrow regardless of Luna’s flip.

I deny Jay’s townread on Speedchuck and encourage him to scumread Speed with me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:58 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:46 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:40 pmI don't believe this but I believe you believe this.

What precisely drives your belief in my belief?

The time investment. It's not much of a joke if you don't actually believe it.

wot wood u say m8 if I told you 'at moi only real ping of the game so far 'as come from speedchuck?

I would say your accent is horrendous. Is it because Speedchuck's accent is worse? Or the Nutella push? I think it's the Nutella push.

Vote Speed

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:49 pm [VOTE: Speedchuck[/v]] aubergine

[VOTE:


Case Speed for buddying.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:28 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:38 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:56 pm[VOTE: Hullo guys] aubergine

[VOTE:

speedchuck entry posts in his last six games:] aubergine

Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:05 am [VOTE: Wondering how elaborate I can make this award reveal.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Socky Awards, Mafia] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:43 pm [VOTE: I will do my best.] aubergine

[VOTE:

2018 GOC, Civilian] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:50 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:33 am [VOTE: Also I checked the poll results and now I can't vote.] aubergine

[VOTE:

I think that just happens with non changeable votes? IDK.

Also hi.] aubergine

[VOTE:

World Asunder, Mafia] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:11 am [VOTE: I'm never bad. ] aubergine

[VOTE:

SPACE FORCE, Civilian] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:26 pm [VOTE: This looks freaking amazing.

Hello my fellow slytherins.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Hogwarts, Civilian] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:11 pm [VOTE: Speedchuck for president of the flames] aubergine

[VOTE:

Outpost 31, Civilian] aubergine

[VOTE:


Two of them featuring a greeting ("hi" or "hello"). The mafia version of the greeting is inserted by force; the civilian version is smoov like buttah. His Shockheaded Peter greeting is relatively smoov like relative buttah.

Clear, obvious civilian.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Hot damn.] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:14 am [VOTE: @leetic I've ne'er seen you before. I'd love to hear where you're from, and what you think your playstyle is like.

JJJ is pending town. Ask me why.

Aw heck @Sloonei] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:11 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:58 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:14 am [VOTE: leetic I've ne'er seen you before. I'd love to hear where you're from, and what you think your playstyle is like.

JJJ is pending town. Ask me why.

Aw heck Sloonei] aubergine

[VOTE:
Y tho] aubergine

[VOTE:

Town JJJ is supah hot fire. Or, at least he can be.

As scum, he can only fake that intensity and proactivity.

Examples: Phenon: Origins. JJJ was pretty chill in that game and only made it through the last day due to town complacency and his emotional pleas, not because of firey town hunting.
Mountain Mafia also had a scum JJJ in it. His arguments, through D3, fell flat. The usual effort wasn't there, and it was more about half-hearted bussing and opportunistic arguments than genuine 'stirring the pot'.

If JJJ keeps up his current attitude, and keeps people on their toes, I'm comfortable labeling him town. It is still pending, though. Give him a few days.] aubergine

[VOTE:

This isn’t buddying?] aubergine

[VOTE:

Encouraging a Speed lynch to be followed by a Luna lynch.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:41 pm [VOTE: What this is all telling me is that we should lynch speedchuck.

] aubergine

[VOTE:

Luna defense too. ] aubergine

[VOTE:

Accuse Speed of lolcatting.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:54 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:49 pm [VOTE: Nova seems to know what he's doing, I'll join him on his vote.] aubergine

[VOTE:
This is what serious business mafia players like me call “lolcatting.” ] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:23 pm [VOTE: Speedchuck is choosing to make jokes instead of defend himself or push another train or find scum.

One time I lolcated in an hcrealms game (a poor stall tactic until my teammate could come online and hammer) and somebody took my gifs to be a claim (of a character who had already died) and removed their vote from me. Won undeservingly.] aubergine

[VOTE:

All about lynching Speed and Luna too if he’s scum.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:45 pm [VOTE: Jackofhearts2005, what is your present read on speedchuck?] aubergine

[VOTE:

Unchanged. There are multiple decent reasons to scumread him and no reasons to townread him. Sloonei, Luna or both are likely his teammates.

I always want to post the scene from Stardust where Septimus goes “Has excessive begging or pleading ever persuaded me to spare the life of a traitor?” when I see ATE but sometimes it does move me. This one doesn’t. If I’m wrong, I sympathize because I know what it’s like for Jay to tunnel me and I know I can be an rear end when I’m convinced of a scum read. But the answer is to dust himself off and show us he’s town and he didn’t. Likely because he’s not.] aubergine

[VOTE:


Argues against Luna being scum and Speed being town, even though both Bob and Nova thought this.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:14 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:05 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:02 pm

Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:49 pm

[VOTE: Yes, I want you to generate content. That post said nothing, had no content.

I am accusing you of pretending to generate content. Was that unclear?] aubergine

[VOTE:
Well they're my thoughts so far, take them or leave them. I'm accusing you of fabricating a suspicion.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Oh right, this stuff.] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:38 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:27 pm [VOTE: voting nutella. The speed wagon looks scummy.] aubergine

[VOTE:

How so and why me?] aubergine

[VOTE:

It looks like Jay wants to lynch speedchuck, and you've just enthusiastically agreed with his opinions. Did you post any of your own reasons about why you're voting speed?] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:59 pm [VOTE: @Lunalee, what is your present read on speedchuck?] aubergine

[VOTE:

I really don't know. The lynch just looks opportunistic, but maybe I've missed something.] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:35 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:41 pm

[VOTE: I need to know why. My entire body is exploding in euphoric tingles in anticipation.] aubergine

[VOTE:

"Hey guys this speedchuck lynch feels like a dogpile" which feels like the preamble to "ok I've read over the case and think I'm good with this lynch" and then "oh noes I should have stayed strong definitely there was a mafia pushing on speed"] aubergine

[VOTE:

you're predicting what I'm going to do next and calling it scummy?] aubergine

[VOTE:
This is bad.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Is Luna teamed with Speed or setting up what to do when he’s mislynched? Cause I’m seeing potential for both. (I know Bob’s been saying it but I’ve been strongly leaning on probably teamed.)] aubergine

[VOTE:

I'm leaning towards the latter. I see her softly positioning to reap from a lynch, rather than trying to sway it. Baddie Luna, in my experience, would act ignorant about the accusations against teammates yet intrigued and understanding of them, so that she can eventually jump in if it concretize.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Then why does she come in and go nuts and make herself look bad?] aubergine

[VOTE:


This is all on Day 1. So no, it’s not “Jack and speedchuck decided all bets were off D2 so they bussed as hard as they could so that the remaining scum member would look good.”

The player who didn’t suspect Speed on D1 but did on D2 would be...you.

Speed is a townlean] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:19 pm [VOTE: Alright, so I'm gonna look at everyone's ISOs and try to make some reads. Now, they may not be very good reads, as nothing major has happened yet, I'm not very familiar with most of you, and most of the posts seem to be a bit jokey, plus I am still not used to this level of activity, as this thread already has more posts than many games on Bulbagarden get in their lifespan! Still, I figured I should be doing something, so let's see how this goes.

AudreyTheTattleTail - Doesn't seem to have done anything yet, so complete null. If a wagon started forming around her, I'd say a town lean, but since nobody has really said anything opinionated about her, it's as null as you can go.

colonialbob - Slight scumlean. Seems to be following along with what other people are saying, then there is him looking a bit much into a minor mistake by JJJ. Still, nothing too major.

Elohcin - Mostly null, a bit of a town lean. He seems to be posting his thoughts a little and avoid minor drama. Still, hasn't done too much.

JackofHearts2005 - Posted a lot, but very little was game related. For that reason, slight scum lean.

JaggedJimmyJay - Town lean. Wanting there to be a lot of activity is certainly an admirable goal, as I find that an inactive town always benefits scum, plus has already started attempts at scumhunting. As a side note, the only player of the bunch I am really familiar with.

leetic - Definitely an independent serial killer, should lynch asap What do you think

Lunalee - Townlean I guess, her ideas to not read people too much based on early posts seems reasonable. Seems to have disappeared after page 1, though.

novaselinever - Scumlean. Seems a bit defensive compared to previous users on the list. Still though, nothing too major.

nutella - Seems even more defensive than Nova, so scumlean for me.

reywaS - Null, most posts have been jokey. Nothing really to suggest a scumlean, though.

sabie12 - A bit townlean, seems reasonable enough. Again, the low amount of game related activity from this person prevents me from saying anything too conclusive.

Sloonei - Null, doesn't seem to have posted anything relevant at all.

speedchuck - The pushing of nutella makes him a townlean to me.

Alright, so looking through this list, it seems nutella is my biggest scumlean, so VOTE: nutella to see their reactions.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Strongest townleans include Speedchuck] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:15 pm [VOTE: For two of each, these are my strongest leans currently:

Civ: JJJ and Speedchuck
Scum: Nutella and nova] aubergine

[VOTE:


As soon as Luna flips, now you suspect Speedchuck.] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:51 pm [VOTE: tldr:

People who look better because of Luna's flip: Jack, nova, bob, JJJ

People who look worse: speedchuck, Reywas, sabie] aubergine

[VOTE:


Jay was my biggest accuser. But he was also tryhard and lock town and imo, the best damn townie on the site. He outposted both of us and he died on N1. It’s D6.

Jay also tends to always suspect me. I used to brag that I never got lynched and put an * at the end. *Except by JaggedJimmyJay. I’ve been killed by townies as a townie twice on the Syndicate. Jay daykilked me in Phenon and lead a mislynch on me in Assassination Classroom. He was town in both games. You really can’t put stock in Jay’s day 1 Jack reads. They're always scumreads.

You say Nutella had to be killed for thread control but that applies to you as well. You were also very aware that Nutella was a dangerous player and a good killshot while I had Nova as my top town. Nutella followed my Eloh case D3 before she died. She was accusing you and Sabie. She clearly townread me. So who was she a threat to? You.] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:04 am [VOTE: Leetic is softly pushing the narrative that speed is bad and jack is town, despite having voted for jack when he backed off of luna (choosing between two teammates to appear like he "didn't care if jack was lynched" as he said of luna? idk maybe I'm stretching this) and I think there was something else. Also there was something more to the speed/rey part of my speculation but I forget, other than that jack and speed are fairly anti-aligned and I think one of them is bad and I think rey looks pretty sketchy and also seemed anti-aligned with jack for some reason?] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:34 pm [VOTE: Can change my vote now. [VOTE: elohcin] aubergine] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:15 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:14 pm [VOTE: I have pretty strong reason to think everyone remaining is town except Audrey and Rey.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Audrey wasn't online during the night phase. Do you think Epi would have randomized the kill? I think she's fairly cleared.] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:22 pm [VOTE: Nutella and Leet flat wouldn’t kill Sloonei. Nova is probably outside his wolf range and is likely antialigned with Speed. I had a good reason to townread Bob but I’m tired.

Rey had a reason to kill Sloonei. Audrey could have been forced to kill Sloonei.

If it’s not Audrey or Rey I’m pocketed and the wolf is screwing with us...after scum lynches on D1 and D2.] aubergine

[VOTE:

what about sabie?] aubergine

[VOTE:


Audrey was never voting for me. She was always voting for you or being absent. That’s all wifom anyway.


I did in fact say something in OT that implies I’m town (cause I am and that’s my perspective). But that’s the worst way for a wolf to hint that. OT is like “you may skip this green text because it is not about the game.” So I wasn’t subtly implying I’m town but saying not to actually read that post to be townread. What I was doing was having a side conversation.

What I am doing now is flat out saying I’m town because you just cased yourself.

Nutella was a threat to you. Audrey was a threat to you. You were the one that switched your read on Speedchuck from town D1 to scum D2 to bus him.

Additionally, you asked Luna a softball question and switched from voting her to voting her counterwagon D1 even though her answer sucked and now, in lylo, you aren’t actually looking for scum but rather throwing up a Hail Mary case that is probably untrue because I didn’t bite on your Sabie vote. You don’t care who gets lynched, as long as it isn’t you.

[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine] aubergine

Lol or I could just “no you” vote Leet and get back to work.

A gambit like what?

At this point, I’ve looked at so much crap and relooked at it and looked at other people’s opinions on it, idk what to look at next.

Data said it was Eloh, Bob, Rey. Heart said it was Eloh, Bob. Data says it’s Leet now. Heart says it’s Leet now. But really both say we’re all town and that can’t be true. I mean, I’m down to the two slots I’ve been defending all game and by defending one of you, I’ve saved the town and by defending the other, I’ve screwed two townies. It’s just little cracks that could still belong to a townie and a crack-less but much smaller surface that could belong to a wolf. And I’ve never seen either of you wolf.

I see interactions with Luna/Sabie that look like they aren’t w/w. But Luna completely switched up at least one aspect of how she treated her partners this game.

Leetic’s the one pushing both Sabie scum and Jack scum and that sets off warning bells. But Sabie says she doesn’t know who it is. And I don’t know who it is. So that’s not a fair case, even if I mostly believe it in my gut.

Does Leet shoot Audrey? She was going to vote for him if she voted at all. With her, it’s a coinflip or a loss. Without her, it’s a win or a loss. And he’s not pushing hard enough on either Sabie or me to turn it into a win. As a townie, he just doesn’t know.

Does Sabie shoot Audrey? If Audrey doesn’t show up, coin flip. If she does, win. Does Sabie go for the double coinflip play? If she shoots Audrey, though, there’s a really good chance Jack votes Leet. That’s better than the coin flips. Even if I could lock this in as a scum Sabie indicative kill, there’s still “wifom” as an answer.



I guess I’ll iso Speed, Sabie and maybe Leet post D1 again. Better than posting big paragraphs of feelings and then going “eh wifom.”

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:40 am I'm gonna be at work all day but it is not me. I voted speed in the beginning and the eloh vote was due to her looking kinda sketchy for staying out of that speed lynch. Rey and Bob I wasnt sure about but due to being busy I followed the cases made on them but did not lead cases on them. I've never had teammates its never been me and it still isn't. If I were bad it would be easy for me to just lead a lynch on someone else. I really don't know which one of you is bad. I've been leetic for awhile and him trying so hard to make a case against me makes it seem like hes been planning on me being the last mislynch led by him. I'm am easy target to go after.

Can you talk about this?

[mention]sabie12[/mention]

Please do your best to tell me why you're town and (assuming he is your vote) why Leetic is not. If you need anything from me, let me know.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:48 pm YOU SAVAGES

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:06 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:31 pm If you have a case on Sabie, I’m all ears, but I’ve isoed her several times and been over her interactions with Luna several times and I don’t see a wolf there.

At this point with there being so few candidates, lack of reason to townread someone is a good enough reason to scumread someone. Unless you can give me a valid case that sabie is town (and I mean TOWN, not "not scum"), my suspicion of her will hold.

But I’m not trying to convince you and this does nothing to convince me.

It's simple POE. Audrey is basically cleared town, and you at least have the speedchuck vote going for you, as well as a lot of activity. I see no reason to read sabie as town, and thus she stands out as the most likely suspect.

I guess that’s fair from a townyou perspective. It’s all wolfyou needs for a coin flip if I’m dead and Audrey doesn’t show up.

If i live, should this not being convincing be convincing?



Whoever the wolf is has played a really good game. As much as I think it’s you, I was a lot more comfortable with my cases on Bob and Eloh.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:31 pm If you have a case on Sabie, I’m all ears, but I’ve isoed her several times and been over her interactions with Luna several times and I don’t see a wolf there.

At this point with there being so few candidates, lack of reason to townread someone is a good enough reason to scumread someone. Unless you can give me a valid case that sabie is town (and I mean TOWN, not "not scum"), my suspicion of her will hold.

But I’m not trying to convince you and this does nothing to convince me.

[mention]sabie12[/mention]

I’d suggest isoing the remaining players tomorrow and look for posts that come from wolves and posts that never come from wolves.

I’ll talk to you about Bob tomorrow if we both make it. Just cause I don’t want to encourage a shot on me that’s probably happening anyway. Feel free to suspect me.

[mention]leetic[/mention]

Okay, but I didn’t go after Speed after Luna’s flip. He was my top suspect for most of D1 and then the Luna flip made him look worse. You want to make the case I decided to bus my whole scumteam D1 as soon as they started posting? Have at it. Imo, you’re better off nking me and hoping Audrey doesn’t show up.

If you have a case on Sabie, I’m all ears, but I’ve isoed her several times and been over her interactions with Luna several times and I don’t see a wolf there.

Okay so lots of people checking in, including Leetic and Sabie but here I am still all alone.

And honestly, idk if Audrey is paying enough attention to know to kill Nova.

Prior to this game, Luna (after checking 4 scum games, not bothering with Everyone’s Insane and not checking MOExp and TP:FWWM where I’m unsure of her alignment and I’ve forgotten what those stand for so I didn’t find the threads) had never ever ever townread any member of her team. She almost always (3/4 games) scumread at least one buddy and tended to avoid talking to or about her the teammates she wasn’t scum reading. Her only interactions with two of her buddies in previous games have been to answer questions they asked her.

In this game, she townread Speedchuck. He’s her husband. She often defends him regardless of alignment. I don’t think this is coincidence.

Luna’s only interactions with Leetic are answering questions he asked her. (May have just been the one swan question, actually.) however she gth townreads him.

Her scumreads are: Rey, Nova, Bob and Audrey.



But it can’t can’t be Audrey, right? Nutella kill would be the only random kill but it’s a smart scum kill.

Sabie pops into Bob’s poe a couple times and he votes her in the end but he only ever gives reasons to townread her. The closest he comes is saying maybe she was crafty in thread.

[mention]colonialbob[/mention]

Reywas has nothing helpful to say about either Leetic or Sabie.

Nova’s Sabie suspicions

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:08 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:40 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:39 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:34 pm Hi everyone! I'm here. This should be a good group

We got one.

Oh yes, nova. Oh sweet glorious YES. Tell me more about the feelings sabie's post invoked in you. Tell them all over my face.

You're putting me on the spot here.

It stroke me as weirdly succinct on first read, and I compared it to some of her entry posts in previous games. I have no data on baddie Sabie, however her Civilian self usually starts the game with some chatter. She feels comfortable, and appears easy going.

She comes offcold here, or timid I'd say. Right to the point. I don't care much as well for the general compliment, and the addition of an emoji. Probably an attempt at appearing more friendly.

Nova keeps Sabie in his poe for a long time but doesn’t really go past the above. The read seems to be entirely based on the tone of Sabie’s entrance. I disagree with it as well. I thought Sabie seemed uncomfortable in Workd Assunder and scumread her a bit for it. I don’t see this not matching her not actual meta as a problem.

Part 2

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:07 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:58 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:57 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:56 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:55 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:29 pm There’s a big part of me that wants to vote speedchuck for the sake of a terrible pun I’ve been sitting on all game, but I like the balance of the vote distribution right now and I don’t know if I’ll be around for the end of day.

Yeah, I don't like the looks of this post. It reads like "I'll stay in the reg wagon in case it takes off but create a plausible reason for me to switch to the speed wagon in case I need to make myself look good"

Or I just had a joke to make.

That's not the point. The point is, you joined the speed wagon at a very convenient time.

I disagree.

I mean, it was right before the phase end, and right when it was almost guaranteed speedchuck was going to be lynched, thus a low-risk time to bus.

That's actually the highest-risk time, especially in the context of this game. A mafia of 3 that lost a member on D1 and with another one starting the day with heavy heat, will usually distance itself the furthest possible. A necessary sacrifice to have a well hidden wolf inside the town core as their last hope. Or, defend heavily, trying to nip the suspicions in the bud by throwing and throwing some poo in another direction. Speedchuck's D2 play doesn't really scream option B.

I’ll have to go back and see how Leetic and Speed treat each other D1 and if there’s a bus indicating shift.

Nova’s Leetic suspicions.
In the above post, Nova is talking about these posts.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:38 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:29 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:22 pm Luna goes from pure defense and maybe some shade from the sidelines to diving into the thread, declaring peace over, causing a tie on me, and saying you’re bad too.

What did she think was going to happen?

Idk, the threat of getting lynched is pretty motivating. Worst case, I still get lynched.

Can you give me a reason for why you decided to tie the votes?

it was purely an "F this I'm getting lynched" reaction, and I'd rather one of the other two wagons than myself. Sorry if my freak-out bothered anyone. I'm okay with getting lynched.

Hmm, I do like this reaction and find it pretty towny, still a bit too late to change anything. I'll switch my vote to Jack, as I've found him suspicious for a while and he has yet to answer some of my suspicions.

I can kinda see it. Not “Why did you” but “can you give me the reason why” does feel pretty softball and “help me townread you.” Like the warming up to the idea of townLuna has happened before she gave him a reason to.

Of course, it’s a bull reason. She wants me lynched over Speedchuck, who had more votes than me at the time iirc. Unless it was Rey, in which case, she’s somewhere between save herself and spew.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:06 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:04 pm [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

lol, okay.
[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine
Let's make a three-way tie and hash this out, shall we?

“F this I’m getting lynched and I’d rather one of the other wagons” does not describe her tieing vote post. Why vote for a player with less votes and make a 3 way tie instead of the player with more votes so there isn’t a tie if she wants to lynch either of the other wagons? She also seems more playful than mad at this point.

So yeah, I have problems with Leetic accepting this and using it as an excuse to move his vote, especially since the move looks telegraphed by a preemptive tone change.

Bob’s Leetic posts are not helpful at all. Mostly gut and one or two posts he found “weird.” Bob seems to really believe it’s me in the end, which is fine but doesn’t help me.

Pretend I can count.

Lol Nova. Why is your name in lavender?


At this point, I’m most inclined to vote Leet.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:45 pm POEs (must be 3 1)

Jack - Rey, Bob, Audrey, Leet
Bob - Rey, Jack, Leet
Audrey - Leet....
Nova - Jack, Leet, Sabie, Bob
Leet - Rey, Audrey, Bob/Sabie, Jack
Sabie - Rey, Leet
Rey

Updated

Leet is suspected by 5 (3 living)
Jack is suspected by 2 (1 living)
Audrey is suspected by nobody
Sabie is suspected by 2 (1 living)

I’m bothered by Leet moving from Bob to Sabie yesterday and I’m bothered by him adding me back to the POE. But should I really be?

Scum Leet sees Bob suspecting Jack and he’s mislynchable so he probably doesn’t vote Leet in lylo and he’s very likely to be lynched over Leet, especially if Jack is alive. So if townBob and scumLeet vote Sabie and townJack and townSabie vote Bob, there’s a good shot at lynching Sabie, shoot Audrey, Jack vs Bob ends in a Leetic win. Or Bob is lynched and he can say he tried to save the townie. Therefore it’s really Sabie or Jack. Not as ideal but workable.

Town Leet has a poe of Bob and Sabie. This maybe lynches Bob anyway so from that perspective, it’s a win if it’s Bob and if not, it’s Sabie. But Jack trusts Sabie and Audrey suspects Leet. So regardless of if Jack of Audrey fall, decent chance of mislynch. If Sabie is lynched, that’s a win if it’s Sabie. If it’s Bob, Bob shoots Jack, votes Leetic and if Audrey shows up, Leetic probably gets lynched for the loss. Or maybe Bob shoots Audrey and wifom argues it must be Leet/Jack but it’s probably still a Bob lynch ftw.

So scumLeet likes a Sabie lynch over a Bob one cause Bob/Jack/Leetic is a potential win for wolf Leetic. TownLeet can win with either if he votes the wolf. A Bob mislynch or a Sabie mislynch is probably a loss for townLeetic. So townLeetic’s prerogative is to lynch the wolf yesterday. He does vote his stated top scumread but I don’t see much evaluation of Sabie vs Bob.

Adding Jack in is basically his only option as a wolf. He’s losing the battle to convince me he’s town over Sabie. He needs to either convince Sabie it’s Jack or push back directly on any Jack suspicions. For town Leetic, it comes from believing Bob, who he thought was a wolf giving up at eod and who didn’t put forth a case. I don’t see that townie motivation for that. Why does town Leetic, who just lynched his second suspect, start suspecting someone who isn’t in his poe? Why doesn’t he double down on Sabie?

I 99% trust Audrey, 95% trust Sabie and about 80% trust Leetic.

Just put me out of my misery.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:14 pm Well done, Jack. Bussing speed was the smart play and you pulled it off well.

Is that it?