The Syndicate

I’m scum with Nanook is a worse hit take than I’m scum with Boo.

Don’t you dare let Funnygirl get away with murdering me. Don’t you dare.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 12:03 pm That depends on funny shooting scumBoo obviously

If she doesn’t, then the most obvious boo partner in that world is funny lol

If it's Boo/Funny, she just busses Boo here, let's me and you death tunnel each other and goes on knowing that none of Hyena, GMan or Wilgy ever shoot her over each other.

I'm not worried about that.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 12:05 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 12:04 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 12:00 pm @Hyena a @G-Man man @DrWilgy @boo

jack or nanook

No.

You wanted this. You're ignoring me and two dead townies.

This is your decision alone. You don't get to shoot me and then blame the four of them.

i h8 you

I love you. Shoot a wolf.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 12:00 pm @Hyena a @G-Man man @DrWilgy @boo

jack or nanook

No.

You wanted this. You're ignoring me and two dead townies.

This is your decision alone. You don't get to shoot me and then blame the four of them.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 11:39 am If you shoot boo and they flip town it’s uh

Pretty hard not to kill you lol

Basically the only thing Nanook has said in the past week that I agree with.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 11:41 am So if you’re town and 100% sure boo flips mafia, go for the gold I guess? Like it’s just risk analysis yeah, boo is a riskier shot cause if you’re both town the game is just fucked more than likely

But if you’re town and he’s mafia that might be the ideal world? Not sure.

Let's say you and I are both town. FG shoots Boo and he flips mafia.

Can you see any world where you don't eat the next bullet? Who is Boo's partner if not you?

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]

What's your solve. Two wolves. Go.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 11:37 am CAN I JUST SHOOT BOO

If Boo is scum and Nanook is town, who the hell is Boo's partner?

Hyena, GMan and Wilgy have no thread pull and they're all happy to shoot Boo and don't want to shoot Nanook. I don't think they can be teamed with Boo.

I had a bunch of blowout fights with Boo and have been pushing Boo/Nanook for the last 4ish calendar days. Everyone is saying I can't be teamed with Boo.

If you're town, you know you're not teamed with Boo.

So....why do you think Boo is scum and Nanook is town?

Jack: Pushes a player who was a universal townread and helps convince two now flipped townies he is bad while there are two players who haven't even posted 50 times and one player who is a universal scumread and missed the entire last day phase.

Nanook: Jack is only interested in pushing lines he thinks he can push. How opportunistic.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 11:08 am There’s absolutely zero consideration of the game in his posts, every engagement with me is turned into a grandstanding “hey look everyone Nanook is scum” (that essay he references is a good example, taking my “what if we’re both wrong, how do we win?” olive branch and grandstanding about how I’m definitely scum instead then pretending that could ever be taken as a good faith answer), he’s not interested in solving the game he’s interested only in looking good and pushing lines he thinks he can push.

This is objectively nonsense. I worked out exactly who I think is scum if you flip town. The difficulty of doing so is part of why I scumread you.

I'm saying exactly what the last two flipped townies said.

You can be honestly frustrated with me tunneling you but you can't honestly think my reads come from an opportunistic or evil place. That's clearly false.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 2:50 am i also read up to a bit past nutella's flip

jack... can die.

sorry jack

but y'no, prolly not dealin w/ a nanook wolf here

i won't be here past 4pm EDT btw. got a last min case post it, but ya gotta say someone other than nanook i guess, or a case for why nanook vs jack isn't the way (please do that). THANKS

No.

You don’t get to win like this.

I busted my butt and convinced you I was town. You kept just saying “give me the gun.”

Then Nanook turned you around with basically nothing. Your turn looks fake af. You beg Nanook to give you a reason to scumread me and he can’t and you shoot me anyway?

I don’t think it’s Boo and Nanook. I think it’s you and Nanook.

[mention]DrWilgy[/mention] [mention]G-Man[/mention] [mention]Hyena[/mention]

If FG shot me, it’s always FG and Nanook. When I flip town, you take the gun and you listen to what Mac, Johann and me have been telling you and you blast Nanook. After he dies, you blast FG for this nonsense turn to protect her partner.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 1:20 am I fucking hope he is cause I honestly don’t see how we win this game if he’s town, he won’t even pretend to engage with me and explore the possibility of being t/t so

You keep saying this but you asked me one question and I gave you an essay answer.

It took me over 24 hours to get you from a naked scumread on me to admitting you scumread me cause omgus. And I’m your top scumread.

The problem isn’t “Jack doesn’t consider Nanook’s alignment in good faith.” The problem is “Getting Nanook to do anything but pout and point to the Drago kill is like pulling teeth.”

If we’re both town, stop it with the potty party and give reasons why other players could be scum. Town games aren’t won off hail mary shots and hoping the people bothering you are wolves. You have to hunt for them and the longer you pout without hunting, the more you convince me that you want to live more than you want to kill wolves.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 1:19 am It’s just so bad for the game to have both me and jack alive tomorrow lol

Learn to enjoy the struggle.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 1:10 am am... am i shooting jack then o____O

what if he flips town

what happens

Then you get shot and if you flip mafia, Nanook follows.

If you shoot me, your faction loses.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 12:55 am ok so so far what i'm getting from my reading is that drago x nanook is kinda a no

Show me.

Show me anything that antialignes them besides the shot itself.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 12:40 am pfffffffffffffff

g u y s idk this isn't a wolf

If you don’t have the guts to shoot Nanook, shoot Boo.

But if you shoot anyone but Nanook and they flip town, I think you’re next.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 12:37 am do you actually want to die? if so i'll just shoot you and call it a night

Why do you keep asking the wolf if you should shoot him? In what world does Nanook’s opinion on if he should be shit enter into it?

Mac’s top suspects were Nanook and Boo.
Johann’s top suspects were Nanook and Boo.
My top suspects are Nanook and Boo.

The people who haven’t read just need to sheep the players who have.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 9:58 pm Nanook apparently somehow thinks I am scum now after reading me correctly as town all game on tone to the point where he a) welcomed me to the towncore off my first post, b) accepted my derp clear until he just didn't anymore, provided no explanation for why I am scum aside from "POE" and is getting no suspicion because he shot Dragomir.

In my experience when townies have pet town reads that get stuck in the POE they fight against their inclusion. Much like Nanook has been for his teammates as opposed to me.

Literally Mac’s last post is outlining why you should be shot.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 10:12 pm oh also not shooting nanook LOL y'all no.

The last two players to flip town told you to shoot Nanook.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:48 pm Queries of the follow-up kind for you, Jack:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:19 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 6:00 pm For Boo-

Boo gets shot tonight and flips mafia. Does that town clear anyone? Who is the logical choice in light of that for his teammate?
Should clear me. (I should already be cleared got damn.) Should clear Hyena and FG. Should clear Mac RIP. Should clear Nutella RIP.
From your pov, Wilgy and Nanook should be Boo's only likely partners.

Boo gets shot tonight and flips civvie. Does that town clear anyone? Does that damn anyone as surefire mafia?
Not really imo.

I agree that Boo flipping mafia would be a good look for you. There doesn't seem to be much room for compatibility between you and Boo. If anyone disagrees, please speak up. I assume then, that if Boo flips civ, then your first choice for the next shot is still Nanook? If it's not Nanook & Boo, who is Nanook's teammate?

For Jack-

Jack gets shot tonight and flips mafia. Does that town clear anyone? Who is the logical choice in light of that for his teammate?
N/A

Jack gets shot tonight and flips civvie. Does that town clear anyone? Does that damn anyone as surefire mafia?
If I get shot, shoot Nanook and then whoever shoots me. Seriously. I townread FG but if she shoots me, her equity with Nanook goes way up. She came around to townreading me. She's been at ground zero for all the truthbombs about Nanook's alignment from me and Johann. If in spite of that, she shoots me, I'd bet the game on her over Boo. My town flip confirms Mac RIP.

You're biased in this, so it's not surprising that you paint your death as being the least revealing.

For Nanook-

Nanook gets shot tonight and flips mafia. Does that town clear anyone? Who is the logical choice in light of that for his teammate?
Me and Johann RIP. Boo is most likely his teammate but honestly, so many people have townread Nanook for the shot it's hard to pick out which one is lying if it's not just Boo.

Nanook gets shot tonight and flips civvie. Does that town clear anyone? Does that damn anyone as surefire mafia?
I think it clears Hyena and FG. They're never mafia without Nanook.

Again, there doesn't seem to be much compatibility between you and Nanook unless you are teaching us all a doctorate level class in distancing. Why do you say that Funnygurl and Hyena are town-cleared by a Nanook death? What negates a pairing of either of them with Boo or you?

Hyena and FG don’t try to keep Boo in the poe and Nanook our of it if they’re teamed with Boo. They only need 2 mislynches. Johann and I have hit Nanook hard today. If FG is scum with Boo, why is she not just all into killing Nanook, the townie who shot her partner and still has heavy suspicion? Because....she’s not teamed with Boo. Or Hyena or Wilgy or anyone except maybe Nanook. Same with Hyena. If he was both a wolf and not teamed with Nanook, he’d be a voice to shoot Nanook.

My role card negates them from being paired with me. I’m not wasting my time talking about who could be my partner or who is cleared when I flip scum.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:15 pm Like jack, if we’re both town, we almost definitely lose right? I think we can agree on that much at least, yeah? So I’m trying to put in the work to see if maybe I’m wrong, but like...if your response 9 times out of 10 is just what amounts to “lol Nanook so scummy” I don’t really see much in the way of options available to me

Yeah, town probably loses if we’re both town.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 6:51 pm There’s your fucking defense now eat a shoe

I don't want why you're town. I want why you think I'm scum or why you think Boo is town.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:09 pm I like how you took an olive branch hypothetical and turned it back into “fuck you you’re scum.”

Like you could’ve just saved words and time by saying “no I can’t imagine that” instead of grandstanding

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 6:00 pm For Boo-

Boo gets shot tonight and flips mafia. Does that town clear anyone? Who is the logical choice in light of that for his teammate?
Should clear me. (I should already be cleared got damn.) Should clear Hyena and FG. Should clear Mac RIP. Should clear Nutella RIP.
From your pov, Wilgy and Nanook should be Boo's only likely partners.

Boo gets shot tonight and flips civvie. Does that town clear anyone? Does that damn anyone as surefire mafia?
Not really imo.

For Jack-

Jack gets shot tonight and flips mafia. Does that town clear anyone? Who is the logical choice in light of that for his teammate?
N/A

Jack gets shot tonight and flips civvie. Does that town clear anyone? Does that damn anyone as surefire mafia?
If I get shot, shoot Nanook and then whoever shoots me. Seriously. I townread FG but if she shoots me, her equity with Nanook goes way up. She came around to townreading me. She's been at ground zero for all the truthbombs about Nanook's alignment from me and Johann. If in spite of that, she shoots me, I'd bet the game on her over Boo. My town flip confirms Mac RIP.

For Nanook-

Nanook gets shot tonight and flips mafia. Does that town clear anyone? Who is the logical choice in light of that for his teammate?
Me and Johann RIP. Boo is most likely his teammate but honestly, so many people have townread Nanook for the shot it's hard to pick out which one is lying if it's not just Boo.

Nanook gets shot tonight and flips civvie. Does that town clear anyone? Does that damn anyone as surefire mafia?
I think it clears Hyena and FG. They're never mafia without Nanook.


Honest answers please.

My answers in green.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 5:50 pm Ok Jack, if it's not you, then who? Let's pretend we're both town for a minute. Let's say Boo is mafia. Who should replace you/me in the POE?

If I magically knew you were town and Boo was scum, I'd be looking at how people reacted to things today.

FG and Hyena are pushing to keep you out of the poe. Both have said one of me and Boo should be scum, which isn't logical. These things make sense from a perspective of the scumteam being Nanook/FG or Nanook/Hyena. They mislynch Boo and use that flip to pursue a mislynch on me ftw. These things do not make sense from the perspective of a Boo/FG or a Boo/Hyena scumteam. They're giving up a Nanook mislynch. They're probably giving up a Jack mislynch because honestly, Boo always goes before me unless they take matters into their own hands. Even if FG or Hyena gets the gun and shoots me, it locks Boo into the next lynch by their own reasoning (and by a third townie that Boo said he was certain was scum and died saying to shoot Boo) and makes them look bad for personally shooting me instead of Boo. Basically, FG and Hyena's play today damn near rules them out from being scum with Boo in particular.

GMan has wrung his hands a lot today. In a town Nanook, scum Boo world, I can't rule him out atm. He's townread Boo and wanted to hang onto that read. My gut instinct is still that he's town even if you flip town but he'd be a player I start looking at harder.

Wilgy has laid out two worlds. 1) Jack is right and Nanook/Boo are mafia. 2) Jack is mafia with Boo. So if he's teamed with Boo, he's already in bus mode. I think trying to tie Nanook or Jack (who we magically know are town in this exercise) would be a bad look.

I'm kinda like
80% - Nanook and Boo
5% - Nanook and FG
5% - Nanook and Hyena
5% - Boo and Wilgy
2.5% - Nanook and GMan
2.5% - Boo and GMan

I can probably find reasons to adjust a lot of those percentages if that first one wasn't just so high.

This is again why I'm advocating for a Nanook lynch. It's just way easier to hide as his teammate. Even a Nanook townflip does a ton to solve the game. Puts us in a position where we really only have to evaluate two players. I'd much rather shoot town Nanook and risk the game on figuring out which of 2 players is Boo's partner than shoot town Boo and then 1) have to find Nanook's teammate in a pool of 4 players and 2) have to fight Nanook, Nanook's teammate and a couple townies who are hanging onto Nanook townreads to actually get the gun to even get the 1 in 4 chance to win.

If I have no scum, we lose. If I have both scum, we win. If I have one scum, and we shoot scum first, it doesn't really matter. If I have one scum and we shoot town first, I'd much prefer to shoot town Nanook over town Boo.

I should just shut up because at least Nanook is playing.

How the heck do two people think I’m teamed with Boo but these same players refused to vote for me to let me blast Boo yesterday?

What does it do for your reads if you take as fact that there can be only one wolf at most in Boo/Jack?

[mention]DrWilgy[/mention]

I’m not teamed with Boo. Are fights are to the point FG and Hyena have both said they think there has to be one wolf between us (which is not actually how antialignment works but whatever it underlines my point).

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:35 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:33 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:22 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:06 pm In reading Boo's iso, I'm seeing more aggression than hunting. Is that normal? @Sloonei @MacDougall

Like the previous post is a perfect example. He's not calling me scum. He's shoving me. Most of his iso is that. The rest is him flip flopping on Nutella and Duskfall reads.

I'd be okay with shooting this considering we're going to see less damning stuff in this setup than normal.

I didn't flip flop on nutella, I called her mafia all day. I also didn't really flip flop on Dusk. I didn't trust him, but I never would've gone for shooting him.

And while addressing my calling you out on not actually doing a proper read of Dusk, you didn't actually explain how you got that bad of information from reading his ISO.

So, here you are then: you're mafia Jack. Along with Johann. I wish there was a third J to include. JJJ, come sub in so we can shoot you.

Along with Nutella? Who you voted for to shoot Mac after calling her scum and then later called her scum again?

Sorry, so are you accusing me of flip flopping on her, or going after her too hard? Seriously man, get that straight before trying to shittalk.

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:12 pm

Johann wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:03 pm What i find interesting is that i am scum to hyena and boo but neither made a case why

I'm not interested in advocating your getting shot yet. Jack would need to go first. The result of that would tie in to you.

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:17 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:13 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:35 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:33 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:22 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:06 pm In reading Boo's iso, I'm seeing more aggression than hunting. Is that normal? @Sloonei @MacDougall

Like the previous post is a perfect example. He's not calling me scum. He's shoving me. Most of his iso is that. The rest is him flip flopping on Nutella and Duskfall reads.

I'd be okay with shooting this considering we're going to see less damning stuff in this setup than normal.

I didn't flip flop on nutella, I called her mafia all day. I also didn't really flip flop on Dusk. I didn't trust him, but I never would've gone for shooting him.

And while addressing my calling you out on not actually doing a proper read of Dusk, you didn't actually explain how you got that bad of information from reading his ISO.

So, here you are then: you're mafia Jack. Along with Johann. I wish there was a third J to include. JJJ, come sub in so we can shoot you.

Along with Nutella? Who you voted for to shoot Mac after calling her scum and then later called her scum again?

Sorry, so are you accusing me of flip flopping on her, or going after her too hard? Seriously man, get that straight before trying to shittalk.

I'm accusing you of scumreading her, townreading her and then scumreading her again. And in the end, your certainty that I am scum is worth about as much as your certainty that Nutella was scum.

So I guess your inability to read one ISO, applies to all ISOs then. Because again, I didn't townread her.

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:30 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:22 pm Boo what is your dragomir read btw I can't remember?

I dunno if I've mentioned him, so that might be why.

He isn't someone who ever sticks out to me long enough to consider. I know I've played a game where he got lynched D1 or 2 as mafia, and even then I had no idea why it went down with so much support. That hasn't really been different here. I've seen him tossed about, and I've opened his ISO, but it's just a blank wall for me. There's just more interesting people to look at.

Today I'll be tunneling Jack. Being wrong about nutella made me lose a lot of interest in this game, but now that I have that it's what I want to deal with.

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:16 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:13 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:12 pm

Johann wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:03 pm What i find interesting is that i am scum to hyena and boo but neither made a case why

I'm not interested in advocating your getting shot yet. Jack would need to go first. The result of that would tie in to you.

Tell me what a town or scum flip on me does for you on Johann.

@boo

And while you're at it, why did you think Mac should have shot me yesterday? I didn't see you voice any suspicion of me until after Mac shot Nutella.

I've already explained I'm not interested in connecting dots from you to Johann yet. I don't want Johann shot, I want you shot. The legwork there is already done, it means if you are shot and reveal as mafia, I'm saying people should look at Johann. If you're shot and reveal as town, what I have to say about Johann isn't relevant. In the meantime, saying anything else about it only serves to tell you and everyone else how exactly I'm linking the two you. The specifics are mine and in this setup there's no reason to share them, so I'm not playing them until I want to.

I think he was right to look into your direction and what he had to say about why you were a consideration holds up. Correct, I wasn't around for much of the night (only the beginning), so he had started mentioning you as a consideration but hadn't gotten into all of it. I was ambivalent about what I saw, if he wanted to shoot you that was his choice, and he knew my thoughts on how he should use it (nutella). I had nothing more to contribute. Had I come in before the night ended, I dunno. I was still happy with the nutella shot right up until I read the result. Now I know Mac and I, along with everyone else who thought it made sense to shoot nutella, were wrong. I don't blame nutella for getting shot, but I don't feel at all wrong for suspecting her and I don't think Mac was wrong to shoot her. Could Mac be bad and did it laughing, and everything else is nonsense? Maybe. And maybe he'll get caught and shot. From everyone except for my own and the mafia's perspective, could I be mafia? Sure. But I know I'm not, the mafia team knows I'm not, and everyone else... meh. I'll play the game and try and help the town, but I know my town game isn't as strong as my mafia game, so I don't expect to be some core towny who solves the game. But not trying is lame, so I'm still gonna play. And right now, that means trying to get you shot.

boo wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 1:26 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Kill 2:
Jack & Hyena

Don't kill:
FG & Mac

boo wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 8:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 7:52 pm Ok that was serious bs from Jack.

You'll have to be waaaaaaaay more specific.

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:38 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:16 am Probably jack, it’s hard to tell though tbh

I don't think it actually matters, they both look mafia. It's like they got drunk in mafia chat together and decided to start incessantly shit-posting. They're bouncing all over the place and most of it is confirmed BS.

The only confusing thing about this to me is I don't see them having the numbers to actually make this work if they're both mafia. They'd have to be assuming some horrible town plays from here on out.

FG has said she'll listen to you and Sloonei, IIRC, for who to shoot. So give it to her if voters on her don't want me to have it, or her voters can move to me and I'll shoot one of them.

Giving it to Jack is a trap, just not a good one. He'd probably shoot me. But that still doesn't matter. They shoot me, I reveal town, they posion Nanook, and at that point I their hope is the town just crumbles? Screw up and give the gun to Mac again and they shoot Wilgy or FG?

Wait.

There aren’t prizes?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 3:35 pm I literally gave a solve, fuck off you obnoxious twit

Naming two players is not a solve. Naming one player and yourself as a mislynch is not a solve.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 2:20 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 1:35 pm Cause on the off chance Nanook is scum and Boo is town, pushing the fake idea that the way forward is to shoot Boo and then shoot Jack is actually a town loss. There's obvious scum agenda for pushing that idea.

So I want to know why you think that's a good idea so I can evaluate you if Boo ever flips town. Especially since you're probably going to get the gun and you seem more inclined to shoot Boo than Nanook. Same goes for @Hyena. What is going on if I'm the wolf?

didn't you say that boo was wolf though??? like

and didn't we already agree that we're shooting nanook?

why is this happening?

Cause I'm worried you'll shoot Boo instead of Nanook and then say that I should be the next shot instead of Nanook.

If you shoot Nanook, I don't really care why you think I should be shot after Boo if Boo flips town.

Cause on the off chance Nanook is scum and Boo is town, pushing the fake idea that the way forward is to shoot Boo and then shoot Jack is actually a town loss. There's obvious scum agenda for pushing that idea.

So I want to know why you think that's a good idea so I can evaluate you if Boo ever flips town. Especially since you're probably going to get the gun and you seem more inclined to shoot Boo than Nanook. Same goes for [mention]Hyena[/mention]. What is going on if I'm the wolf?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 1:25 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:42 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:40 pm Cause if boo’s town then we lose when I get shot tomorrow.

So we shoot me today, jack tomorrow, and you can figure out who to shoot last at f3

If Boo is town, Jack gets shot tomorrow. I thought there was always one between them?

ding ding ding

Explain to me what is going on today if Boo is town and I am scum.

Who is my partner? Why is everyone so hesitant to shoot Nanook?

A world where Jack is scum doesn't make sense and I need you to walk me through why you think it does.

If Nanook is town, my push on him has been a godsend to the wolves.

The only one who jumped at the idea was Johann, confirmed townie. Wilgy fought against it. FG fought against it. GMan fought against it. Hyena is to a degree fighting against it.

I think Boo’s only possible teammate is Nanook. There is no wolf pouncing on the game changing mislynch of Nanook. Especially knowing that I’m town, a wolf could agree with me today and then blame me for town Nanook’s death tomorrow. It would be so tempting.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:56 pm I want to shoot Nanook over Boo for exactly one reason. It's easier for me to see Nanook being a wolf without Boo than Boo being a wolf without Nanook.

I can see a world where Boo plays a poor game and Nanook's teammate is hidden. A lot of people have been loathe to shoot Nanook. For most, that's probably a townie reaction to not wanting to kill someone who shot a wolf. That's an easy place for a wolf to hide. So easy I can't rule out there not being a wolf hiding there.

I have a harder time seeing a game where Nanook does all the scummy things he did today as a townie. The idea of Boo being scum, playing this level of game and fooling a good player like Nanook seems pretty crazy.

Who could Nanook be with from your perspective if not with Boo?

There's a case to be made for anyone but myself and Johann. I'd prefer to not explain in detail my gut reads of 5% chance for this player to be scum or 10% chance for that player to be scum because I'd rather not influence the poison that way and I'd rather not scare off those 5-10% players into thinking I'm setting them up for a fall.

It's proooooobably just Nanook and Boo. Definitely Nanook.

Seriously, what would the game even look like if Nanook was town and Boo was scum? Who is the other wolf? The only player who hasn't been on board with killing Boo has been GMan and he's been more willing to kill Boo than Nanook. It's one thing for a wolf to play a certain level of activity given that their partner is "confirmed town" for shooting their other partner. Their partner is safe and may be able to keep them safe. They can get away with low to moderate activity/influence. They can get away with "I still think Nanook is town for shooting Drago" and leave it at that. But if GMan or Wilgy or anybody was scum with Boo? They'd have to widen the POE. They'd have to do something to protect Boo or themselves.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:40 pm Cause if boo’s town then we lose when I get shot tomorrow.

So we shoot me today, jack tomorrow, and you can figure out who to shoot last at f3

If you were town, you'd explain why I am scummy because your absent of argument and flip won't do anything to convince anyone I'm a wolf when you're gone.

If I'm a wolf, my teammate is very very well hidden. Multiple townies, live and dead, have expressed the opinion that I have no teammate.

If you're a townie and I'm a wolf, you are forfeiting the entire game.

I want to shoot Nanook over Boo for exactly one reason. It's easier for me to see Nanook being a wolf without Boo than Boo being a wolf without Nanook.

I can see a world where Boo plays a poor game and Nanook's teammate is hidden. A lot of people have been loathe to shoot Nanook. For most, that's probably a townie reaction to not wanting to kill someone who shot a wolf. That's an easy place for a wolf to hide. So easy I can't rule out there not being a wolf hiding there.

I have a harder time seeing a game where Nanook does all the scummy things he did today as a townie. The idea of Boo being scum, playing this level of game and fooling a good player like Nanook seems pretty crazy.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:46 pm With that said, Boo's absence is starting to make me think that he's getting set up to be bussed if he's scum.

FYI, Boo voted Nanook very early in the day without saying anything after Nanook said he wanted to shoot me.

He was dead wrong on Nutella and dead wrong on Mac and did exactly zero evaluation of his reads after Mac's townflip, immediately burrowing further into the idea that I should be shot for reads he can't explain.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:44 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:42 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:40 pm Cause if boo’s town then we lose when I get shot tomorrow.

So we shoot me today, jack tomorrow, and you can figure out who to shoot last at f3

If Boo is town, Jack gets shot tomorrow. I thought there was always one between them?

Sloonei said it too that there was always one between those two + Mac.

As I told Wilgy and GMan, Sloonei was hundreds of posts behind when he said that.

Mac was caught up and said I was lock town. Dusk was caught up and had me as a townread.

Linki: I do too. I'm just saying that if he's town, the problem isn't my alignment. The problem is that he's had scum reads on lots of confirmed townies and lots of confirmed townies thought he was scum. I'm willing to burn one mislynch on the idea that he's scum. Not two. Especially when we only have one mislynch before we lose.

Hyena, there is no world where I'm scum or I get shot (unless a wolf gets the gun). Boo's scum reads on Nutella and Mac and their scumreads on Boo didn't make them scum. On the off chance Boo is town, it doesn't make me scum. It just means Boo played a really poor game.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 11:47 am Unfortunately I have to concede that sometimes Town pushes a scum agenda (see: Johan, to a lesser extent Mac), but I can’t not SR you for this insanely bad push

Anyways, my message to everyone else is kill me and sheep my reads

So...the textbook definition of omgus?

You scumread me because my push on you is bad. Buuuuut you've had me as your top scumread longer than you've been mine.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 11:42 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 11:40 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 11:34 am duskfall town read nanook h e l l o

And Mac scumread Nanook. Died screaming at us to kill him.

Nanook gets shot today.

ok w/e

Whatever you're going to shoot Nanook or whatever you're gonna stick your head in the sand?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 11:39 am I don’t know why you keep talking to me I’ve made it clear I’m not interested. Go away.

Because you're caught.

Townies don't give up on defending themselves before they even start. I've asked you a ton of times to explain your reads and you haven't tried to do so. Not once.

I'm town. I posted a shitton because it was important to me to convince players like Johann, FG, Gman and Wilgy that their reads on me were wrong. I knew I could because I'm town and I take myself out of the POE as town all the time. It's why I'm "unlynchable."

You know you can't convince me your reads are real because they're fake. That's why you're not trying.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 11:34 am duskfall town read nanook h e l l o

And Mac scumread Nanook. Died screaming at us to kill him.

Nanook gets shot today.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 11:36 am And if jack is somehow town pushing this then I need to seriously reevaluate my otherwise positive opinion of his play

If you think lynching players who do suspicious things and can't explain why the do them is poor play, and doing suspicious things without being able to explain why is good play, I don't want to be a good player.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 11:32 am There’s functionally seven alive right, me/FG/wilgy/boo/jack/hyena/gman

So here’s my solve if you want it:

I’m gonna take FG/wilgy/hyena as town and lose if I’m wrong

I’m honestly 50/50 between boo and gman for the last spot. There’s a lot of moving parts tbh, but I’d proooobably take boo just because I think he makes less sense as Jack’s partner than gman. I’m not entirely confident on that.

I’m also not super confident on hyena tbh but I have to lock someone in, and he’s probably less partnery with the remaining options I think, so here we are.

Anyways, assuming you shoot me today you’ll have to figure out who between gman/boo to trust, and honestly I don’t really envy you the decision.

If I’m wrong and totally off base you can all yell at me in postgame but this is what I’d ride with

This is nonsense.

There's no way you think I'm scum. I keep asking you to explain your scumread on me and your townread on Boo and you keep refusing to do it.

"I'll answer questions from anyone but Jack"
"I wasn't taking Boo out of the POE entirely. Just for the day."

If you're town (you're not), you should realize that your utter failure to explain (or even give) your read on Drago is why your shot looks like a bus, your failure to explain your read on Boo is why it looks like you're defending a packmate and your failure to explain your read on me is why you look like you're a wolf trying to get a mislynch on me.

If you're town, you'd realize this and do something to show us that these reads are real. Instead, you're "giving up."

I can only conclude that this is because you cannot explain your reads because they are fake.

Johann wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:20 am Oh and btw he once more.mentioned Dragomir shooting

Johann wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:21 am Cause thats everything he has

Called himself "confirmed town" for it, too.

Seriously, [mention]Funnygurl555[/mention] if you ignore that he shot Drago, there's literally no reason at all to townread Nanook. He's been scummy af.