The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:07 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:05 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:04 pm How many low hanging fruit lynches does Jay have to lead and how many wolves do I have to lynch before whoever among @Michelle @juliets @Sloonei @tedxtr is town starts listening to me?

Because you can’t all be wolves. Jay only has two teammates. Two of you are just not listening.

I am listening. I have not agreed with you. I might now. I don't know. I don't think he needs to be bad here but I won't ignore the possibility.

Lol okay. So Sloonei is still one of the wolves.

I swear if the scumteam is exactly Jay, Sloonei, Juliets I will be so mad at myself.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:04 pm How many low hanging fruit lynches does Jay have to lead and how many wolves do I have to lynch before whoever among @Michelle @juliets @Sloonei @tedxtr is town starts listening to me?

Because you can’t all be wolves. Jay only has two teammates. Two of you are just not listening.

How many low hanging fruit lynches does Jay have to lead and how many wolves do I have to lynch before whoever among [mention]Michelle[/mention] [mention]juliets[/mention] [mention]Sloonei[/mention] [mention]tedxtr[/mention] is town starts listening to me?

Really hate how you blamed it on Tony after shrugging at the case on Jay.

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:58 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:54 pm Right now no matter what g man’s role is his best strat is to triple pull those with votes. If he’s voting for himself it’s probably to protect JJJ.

If GMan flips masters, Jay gets no cred.

Okay. And when I flip civvie, what then? Start considering what that might mean, because I coming.

When you flip civ, I get mad you threw.

[mention]juliets[/mention] really wavering on my townread on you. Really hate how you wouldn’t vote Jay.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:57 pm @juliets

Switch your vote.

to who?

To Jay lol

Linki I hate that excuse.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:54 pm Right now no matter what g man’s role is his best strat is to triple pull those with votes. If he’s voting for himself it’s probably to protect JJJ.

If GMan flips masters, Jay gets no cred.

[mention]juliets[/mention]

Switch your vote.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:32 pm It's possible G-Man is the anti-monitor and the -2 vote advantage looms large. Two of you haters should hop wagons

Then the current vote formation is perfect.

A two for one if you will.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:57 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:03 pm In what world does a civilian vote for himself when the game hangs in the balance as it does right now?

In what world does a mafia member do the same?

I don't buy this rationalization. I've seen people self-vote for all sorts of reasons over the years. Both alignments. You have too. This is not a genuine thought.

Thank you!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:08 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:06 pm yeaaaaaah. so who's scum there?

speedchuck and Epignosis are the lead candidates, given that they have used this day for exactly nothing other than seeing me to the noose. I could also see Tranq.

Day isn't over yet.

You have an hour. Do something.

I'm reading people's shit that I didn't get to read today. Kiss my ass.

Or don't. Public health scare and all that. One cannot be too careful.

But with all the toilet paper...

Shouting Into The Void, The Jackofhearts2005 Story

I feel actively harmed.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:24 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:21 pm I don't believe I have ever seen a civilian lynch himself when the game is in as precarious a state as this one.

And yet, we just lynched two townies for not giving a damn and we currently have town ghost SVS not giving a damn and we lynched Sprityo for not giving a damn.

You don’t believe this. You’re lying. You’re a wolf.

Turnip Head gave a damn. Colin put up a fight. Neither of them self-voted. Neither of them self-voted on Day 7 with 6 of 11 players as civilians. Take off the blinders for one damned second and think. You're not attending to the basis of what I am saying.

SVS is zero posting as a civilian with 6 of 11 players being civ.

And anyway, I don’t think GMan is town. I’m still voting you.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:36 pm Things I like: Ted.
Things I don’t like: how a lynch appeared on G-Man out of nowhere

Seriously.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:45 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:04 pm G-Man's final Day 2 vote was for Sloonei, not Mac.

Oh. What.

Go stick an eyeball on the first post.

My memory must have blocked that out because it makes no sense. All I remembered was “I can’t vote radishes because of Sloonei.”

Lol that was pretty yuck. Maybe we lynch GMan tomorrow.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:41 pm Yeah he’s not anything strong it actually feels kind of filler that’s why I said 2/3

I just remember town him being a lot more energetic and having a lot more pull in thread, he’d come in guns blazing and shit

His nutella push was also kind of bad and then after she was taken out his drive to scum hunt kinda plummeted

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:34 pm Everyone may as well submit a list with who the master team is for the anti monitor and hope he fucking cleans this mess

G-Man
Speedchuck
Jack

In this exact order. I think I’m 2/3 in there.

Everyone should do this, it’s also good to keep track of reads.

Yeah, I lead a lynch on my teammate, who is one of my favorite players and good enough to make the MU champs finals when we had a consensus opposing wolf.

If I’m third on your list, you should probably reevaluate your list.

I remember being certain Speed wasn’t the Antimonitor but I don’t remember why. Probably a stupid reason since I forgot it but I can’t shake it and don’t feel like going to find it today since he’s not up for lynch anyway and it wouldn’t clear him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:03 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:02 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:47 pm This is only even a contest because Jay has teammates.

If GMan has teammates, they’re bussing. Yet there are five votes for town Jay?

No way that’s happening. Just look at the vote count and tell me Jay can even be town here.

All it takes is one or two vocal civilians promoting a case and the wolves can start circling.

Who are the wolves on Jay’s wagon?

From most to least suspicious:
Speedchuck
Epi
Tranq
Tony
You

That’s one wolf tops.

Who and why?

Tranq is the most obvious not tmiing and not having teammates player I’ve ever seen.

Tony was instrumental in Mac’s lynch and does not appear to be teamed with Sig/Radishes/Sabie and Tony is a good wolf boy who defends his teammates.

Epi probably had btsc with Dom and Dom townread him and Juliets, who also had btsc with Dom from what I can tell, turned her read on Epi in a way that makes me think they both met with Dom. Dom has a good record of finding town Epi. He was certain Epi was town in inception. Plus, for Epi to be a wolf, he’d have had to get btsc with Dom, fake claim and then leave Dom alive for several kills. Plus, he seemed really unaligned with Sig and Mac. Jay disagrees with that take and Jay is a wolf.

My role card says I’m town.

Speed, I gut read town. It’s not a strong gutread. He could be bussing Jay. Idk.

Like I said, one wolf tops.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:34 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:33 pm Okay I guess G-man wouldn't be a bad lynch today.

Still think Jay is scum though.

You spoke earlier of "joy". Have you seen me express joy in any Mafia game since the start of 2019?

Try drinking!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:47 pm This is only even a contest because Jay has teammates.

If GMan has teammates, they’re bussing. Yet there are five votes for town Jay?

No way that’s happening. Just look at the vote count and tell me Jay can even be town here.

All it takes is one or two vocal civilians promoting a case and the wolves can start circling.

Who are the wolves on Jay’s wagon?

From most to least suspicious:
Speedchuck
Epi
Tranq
Tony
You

That’s one wolf tops.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:57 pm "Hello we're all diseased let's have meetings all day about it."

I am five pages behind. What did G-Man do?

Served as an excuse to not lynch Jay.

It’s not working, tho.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:55 pm Jay’s behavior today is also exactly what I’d expect from him as a civilian. He got some pressure on him and it flipped a switch. He started pressing everything and re-examining things. He lost his zen and reclaimed the crown of fuck mountain.

No. He started rapidly vote switching and calling out players he previously didn’t care about and then didn’t pursue those reads.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:47 pm This is only even a contest because Jay has teammates.

If GMan has teammates, they’re bussing. Yet there are five votes for town Jay?

No way that’s happening. Just look at the vote count and tell me Jay can even be town here.

All it takes is one or two vocal civilians promoting a case and the wolves can start circling.

Who are the wolves on Jay’s wagon?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:53 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:49 pm I don’t wanna hear “I don’t see it.”

I don’t wanna hear “Jack is in a tunnel.”

You wanna save Jay, get yourself on record really defending him before he flips wolf.

Go ahead.

hi

Has your read not progressed in a week?

Big brain play.

“Jackofhearts2005 fell down the well!”

I don’t wanna hear “I don’t see it.”

I don’t wanna hear “Jack is in a tunnel.”

You wanna save Jay, get yourself on record really defending him before he flips wolf.

Go ahead.

This is only even a contest because Jay has teammates.

If GMan has teammates, they’re bussing. Yet there are five votes for town Jay?

No way that’s happening. Just look at the vote count and tell me Jay can even be town here.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:44 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:40 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:37 pm Tonally, as vibe and as wording, JJJ doesn't sound wolfy. I can't find a reason to vote him Jack, none at all.

Then go beyond time and wording because the man lead a lynch on a townie and is purposely throwing out nothing reads because he’s in antispew.

and you never lead a mislynch as villager Jack, you are always right, isn't it?

So far so good.

I just mean, if you wanna give everyone a pass for dishonest pushes, we’re gonna have a hard time catching scum.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:34 pm My point is, Jack, that I think you’re town and are burrowing deeper and deeper into a self-made tunnel right now.

I don’t believe you believe that.

Exactly.

Yet Jay’s fur remains. What am I supposed to do but suspect you? If you’re town, don’t tell me to get out of this tunnel cause it leads to a wolf. If you’re town, get out of Jay’s pocket.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:37 pm Tonally, as vibe and as wording, JJJ doesn't sound wolfy. I can't find a reason to vote him Jack, none at all.

Then go beyond time and wording because the man lead a lynch on a townie and is purposely throwing out nothing reads because he’s in antispew.

Cleaning up all this wine is gonna be a hassle.

But not as much as I don’t believe Jay is town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:34 pm My point is, Jack, that I think you’re town and are burrowing deeper and deeper into a self-made tunnel right now.

I don’t believe you believe that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:15 pm Master
Epignosis
G-Man
Tranq

Anti-Monitor
speedchuck

Hot garbo.

If you're a civilian you're going to need to reset hardcore, so you'd better take that "hot garbo" seriously later if not right now.

There are at least two townies in your four player list even if you were magically town.

I don’t need to re-evaluate shit.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:29 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:13 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:55 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:35 pm Ok I see ted saying he is changing to Jay so I'll stop with the G-Man posts. Sloonei, I will read what you wrote.

I guess we need to resolve Jay this lynch. The people I trust as town are voting for him, I think Dom thought he was bad and we keep talking about it and talking about it. I think we have to get past it to sort the rest out. I can't be the only one thinking he is town - it's too much like what happened with Radish and with Elephant in Inception.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:52 pm Ok lol, I'm happy to change my vote to G-Man.

These two posts give the impression that juliets is just bouncing around between whichever wagons seem viable.

I'm not going to leave but @Michelle your post was hurtful.

Sloonei, my feeling about a Jay lynch are summed up in my post. I still don't see bad Jay but I understand for the good of the game and based on my assessments of Radish and Elephant his lynch might be the best option.

Meanwhile, ted re-kindled my interest in G-Man in a big way. I have been off and on about him the whole game. I started looking at some of his posts and posts about him but then when ted changed I thought he was not on the table for today. Then he was back ON the table and I changed my vote. As I indicated in my answer to Jack, I'm not sure I'm going to stay there. New people have entered the thread and have new thoughts that I will consider. The night is not over.

There’s no elephant in this game.

Walk me through your read on Jay, independent of the game-state or anyone else’s thoughts on him.

Elephant was in Inception. He was bad and I stood up for him until he was lynched. Just like Radish in this game. I had a blind spot with both. This is relevant because I'm saying I may have a blind spot with Jay.

I have seen Jay as town. I already posted why I see him as town in a long post. Some of those reasons don't hold up when comparing him to a game where he was bad but some of the things I think are hard to fake did hold up. I made a post about that also.

I know you said independent of the "game-state" or "anyone else's thoughts" but its very difficult to do that. Jack who is at the top of my trust list is seeing bad Jay, and he is adamant. I am not as adamant about seeing good Jay because I do not trust myself. It's not an easy position to be in.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:29 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:27 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:24 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:21 pm I don't believe I have ever seen a civilian lynch himself when the game is in as precarious a state as this one.

And yet, we just lynched two townies for not giving a damn and we currently have town ghost SVS not giving a damn and we lynched Sprityo for not giving a damn.

You don’t believe this. You’re lying. You’re a wolf.

Can you get out from the tunnel please? I feel bad no matter JJJs AI :/

Do you need me to fake a red peek or what?

Would you?

Sure. I’m the cop and I red peeked Jay.

Don’t check the role list tho.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:26 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:23 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:20 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:11 pm
Oof

When you ignore my Mac case and ignore my Jay case and they both flip masters side, you look obvious.

You’ve townread me all game. I’m lynching wolves.

I’m getting nothing from you but awkward distancing plays with Jay.

This is the second time you’ve suggested that I ignored the case on Mac and it’s the second time it hasn’t been true.

That’ll be real convincing when Jay flips wolf, I’m sure.

I don’t see how that’s relevant.

You’re a smart guy.

I can’t seem to drag you to a wolf lynch.

Why is that?

I lynched radishes and I lynched sig. Today I had a tinfoil theory that Jay was the anti-monitor. I care less about that than I did earlier. No one else cared about it while I cared about it. He is back to being a town read.

I feel like there’s a pattern there.

You voted Sig and Radishes but not Mac and Jay.

I’m sure the reason will come to me eventually.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:24 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:21 pm I don't believe I have ever seen a civilian lynch himself when the game is in as precarious a state as this one.

And yet, we just lynched two townies for not giving a damn and we currently have town ghost SVS not giving a damn and we lynched Sprityo for not giving a damn.

You don’t believe this. You’re lying. You’re a wolf.

Can you get out from the tunnel please? I feel bad no matter JJJs AI :/

Do you need me to fake a red peek or what?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:15 pm Master
Epignosis
G-Man
Tranq

Anti-Monitor
speedchuck

Hot garbo.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:21 pm I don't believe I have ever seen a civilian lynch himself when the game is in as precarious a state as this one.

And yet, we just lynched two townies for not giving a damn and we currently have town ghost SVS not giving a damn and we lynched Sprityo for not giving a damn.

You don’t believe this. You’re lying. You’re a wolf.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:20 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:10 pm It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.

Oof

When you ignore my Mac case and ignore my Jay case and they both flip masters side, you look obvious.

You’ve townread me all game. I’m lynching wolves.

I’m getting nothing from you but awkward distancing plays with Jay.

This is the second time you’ve suggested that I ignored the case on Mac and it’s the second time it hasn’t been true.

That’ll be real convincing when Jay flips wolf, I’m sure.

I don’t see how that’s relevant.

You’re a smart guy.

I can’t seem to drag you to a wolf lynch.

Why is that?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:04 pm G-Man's final Day 2 vote was for Sloonei, not Mac.

Which is, frankly, gross.

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

Jay: We can’t afford a mislynch.
Also Jay: Here is the weakest excuse ever to vote my counterwagon.

It doesn’t matter what GMan’s alignment is.

This is NOT town Jay

[mention]juliets[/mention] [mention]Juliets[/mention] [mention]tedxtr[/mention]

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:10 pm It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.

Oof

When you ignore my Mac case and ignore my Jay case and they both flip masters side, you look obvious.

You’ve townread me all game. I’m lynching wolves.

I’m getting nothing from you but awkward distancing plays with Jay.

This is the second time you’ve suggested that I ignored the case on Mac and it’s the second time it hasn’t been true.

That’ll be real convincing when Jay flips wolf, I’m sure.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:16 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:12 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:03 pm In what world does a civilian vote for himself when the game hangs in the balance as it does right now?

You don’t believe this.

In what world does a wolf do this?

Self voting is NAI because it’s against any wincon 99% of the time and we’re not in that 1% corner case.

For the same reason Mac did it. The very same Mac that just flipped mafia in this game we're playing in right now. It's a gamble -- if people buy the appeal, they move their votes. It's about survival. There's a clear mafia explanation and zero civilian explanation.

And yet, civies do this just as often.

Idk if you’re doing the bus distance go deep tango or looking for another mislynch but I don’t care. Your bs is palpable.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:10 pm It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.

Oof

When you ignore my Mac case and ignore my Jay case and they both flip masters side, you look obvious.

You’ve townread me all game. I’m lynching wolves.

I’m getting nothing from you but awkward distancing plays with Jay.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:10 pm It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.

You're doing that thing you do again where you refuse to read a game beyond what you think you see directly in front of you

Yeah. But I got a wolf right in front of me so it’s fine.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:03 pm In what world does a civilian vote for himself when the game hangs in the balance as it does right now?

You don’t believe this.

In what world does a wolf do this?

Self voting is NAI because it’s against any wincon 99% of the time and we’re not in that 1% corner case.