The Syndicate

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:55 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:34 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:58 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:40 pmI'm better at being scum than that Sloonei.

Can you provide proof of this?

idk but this is a perfect opportunity to reaffirm that I'm a better mafia than Epignosis.

Yeah but Epi's a better civvy so we just gotta watch and see which of you does good this game.

Tend to agree with your initial line of questioning.

My 'justify my vote for me' thing?

My conclusion was that you were saying what Sloonei thought you were saying, which I agree with.

[mention]Quin[/mention]

Cause this post. I don't think Sloonei posts this if you are teammates together.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:16 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:50 pm ima vote epignosis whenever and i'd like someone to tell me why that is

He's making friends right off the bat.

Jinx! You owe me a coke, Kyle.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:47 pm okay this has turned into nonsensical arguments that are getting us nowhere. remind me to never again sign up for a game with both Epi and LC because it just always turns into this and we never make progress

Gth reads on LC and Epi?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:54 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:40 pm Epi, do you agree with kyle's assessment that you were attacking LC with hyperbole and strawmen?

No.

LC explicitly called cb, Mesk, and Sloonei civilians. There was no consideration given that I could be "buddying" a teammate, as JoH suggested (however the hell one does that).

He also has taken anything I have said or done and says I am "setting up a long game" even though I have never before in my four years of playing Mafia done that Day 1. Instead of considering angles in which my words and actions indicate a civilian, he presses on with his unfounded, circular nonsense.

There is no strawman fallacy or hyperbole, and even if there is, so what?

I'm going to explain a thing you're pretending to not understand one time out of the goodness of my heart. I won't continue to do so because it is tiring.

LC posts that you are bad and you are buddying Bob and Mesk. The implication is that since scum doesn't buddy teammates, if LC is correct in his suspicions, Bob and Mesk would by definition be town.

LC is not claiming to have figured out Mesk or Bob's alignments outside of this, which is obvious.

I am not claiming that scum buddying a teammate is a thing, which is also obvious.

No more straw men. Townies don't gain anything from willfully pretending not to understand accusations.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:31 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:52 pm but you didn't get lynched. I saw you making things happen. I don't see that here yet.

whether or not I got lynch is irrelevant, the relevant part is that you should remember how that game went.

name one thing that i made happen during the first day of the pirates game. I asked questions about dogs and I think I cobbled together a read list at some point because I had 3 hours without anything better to do, bcus it was a small game filled with players I'd never met.

My most active decision was maintaining a tied vote on MP late in the day phase

I don't want to discuss another game any further in this thread. I just want you to continue sharing the thoughts that you have about this game.

Kinda unfair to say you suspect someone because of a difference in Game A and Game B, then say you don't want to discuss Game A anymore, no?

But I want an answer from him regarding Epi, too.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:52 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:11 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:51 pm I'd really like to hear Mesk514's thoughts on current events. My thoughts are clouded by past meta and I think an outsiders' viewpoint could bring some clarity

I don't like this post. In Pirates mafia (the one and only game I've ever seen Kyle play to this point), he was an active force early in the game. He's been more passive so far in this game, so I prodded him for reads. Five minutes later, he came out with this, absent of content but calling for more content from the newcomer. This post is fluff and an excuse to delay participation in the game.

you made your post while I was making mine, did you expect me to drop everything and respond to you? it's 9 an dude. one thing at a time.

In the pirates game my day 1 involvement was mostly getting to know new players questions and passively observing the current thread dynamics. I got called out for it and almost got lynched for it like twice. How closely were you reading the game?

but you didn't get lynched. I saw you making things happen. I don't see that here yet.

Kyle didn't make anything happen D1 pirates. He came out good due to his vote but he was fairly passive and focused on meta. Like the kid said, he got called out for it.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:15 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am Hey Jack quick question, about how does accusing someone of being one of the Good Boyz poke them?

I take it you aren't married, having never poked someone in a nice way.

Also, there is no trust exercise. I was just saying hi.

the implication of this joke is that you're married to sprityo

I'm just really friendly.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:11 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:51 pm I'd really like to hear Mesk514's thoughts on current events. My thoughts are clouded by past meta and I think an outsiders' viewpoint could bring some clarity

I don't like this post. In Pirates mafia (the one and only game I've ever seen Kyle play to this point), he was an active force early in the game. He's been more passive so far in this game, so I prodded him for reads. Five minutes later, he came out with this, absent of content but calling for more content from the newcomer. This post is fluff and an excuse to delay participation in the game.

you made your post while I was making mine, did you expect me to drop everything and respond to you? it's 9 an dude. one thing at a time.

In the pirates game my day 1 involvement was mostly getting to know new players questions and passively observing the current thread dynamics. I got called out for it and almost got lynched for it like twice. How closely were you reading the game?

It's 12:51 pm. Lynch all liars.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:39 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:14 pm You leave Kyle alone.

why?

I'm just filling the silence. I don't have a strong opinion on Kyle. Like I half think you're distracting from Epi but I don't wanna get tunnel visioned. You do whatever.

This post is indicative that I'm suuuuuuper bored at work.

Kyle is like 10 right? DDL's kid?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:14 pm You leave Kyle alone.

why?

I'm just filling the silence. I don't have a strong opinion on Kyle. Like I half think you're distracting from Epi but I don't wanna get tunnel visioned. You do whatever.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:21 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:18 pm Nutella is supatown as town and not when she's bad. She killed it as a Phenon civvy I had this whole fake suspicion on her for her not being aggressive enough when we were scum together in ME that was of course a legit line of questioning I never got around to pushing cause I didn't want her dead.

What's the problem, Epi?

I explained the problem. See above.

Is the problem that I'm a better townie than you?

(Today is Pick On Epi Day)

Also Henry Fonda sounds like an old people movie person and I don't know what you mean.

I've seen 12 Angry Men like 12 times and none of his other stuff iirc.

Nutella is supatown as town and not when she's bad. She killed it as a Phenon civvy I had this whole fake suspicion on her for her not being aggressive enough when we were scum together in ME that was of course a legit line of questioning I never got around to pushing cause I didn't want her dead.

What's the problem, Epi?

You leave Kyle alone.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]
[mention]colonialbob[/mention]

What do you think of Epi's vote for LC?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:39 pm
Combined with suspicious nonlynchcandidate declarations, I think this is worthy of a vote.

I retracted my good opinion of Mesk after she posted something that didn't align with my initial perspective. I'm still thinking her over.

What is suspicious of saying who I won't vote for? I have to come to a decision somehow, and eliminating people from my pool is one way to accomplish that.

Why don't you share your opinions on colonialbob and Mesk, if my takes are suspicious to you?

Null reads on both.

*Vote Epi*

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:38 pm Long Con

Your accusation against me only works if all three of Mesk, colonialbob, and Sloonei are civilians. There is no way to know this if you are a civilian. The irony of you accusing me of "buddying" two of three is noted, because by labeling all three as civilians, one could argue that you are "buddying" three people.

Of course, civvy Epi rarely votes not in good faith.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:12 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.

Wait a minute.

How does Long Con know Mesk, coolonialbob, and Sloonei are civilians?

This is not posted in good faith.

Clearly the accusation is that Epi is buddying civvies as scum doesn't buddy their own teammates.

Course, civvy Epi doesn't always post in good faith.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:59 am If Long Con is a civilian, then is most likely means he is genuine in his suspicion of me.

If his suspicion is genuine, then his accusation that I am being deliberate and calculating in my dealings thus far should be one that he can logically explain.

Already done, but you want more words?

In other words, if I know what I'm doing (i.e., being deliberate in "setting up a long game"), and Long Con is calling me out on that, then he should be able to explain how my actions in the thread so far will benefit my team and me down the road. What is the long game and how am I expecting it to play out?

Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.

If he can't answer that, then his suspicion isn't genuine, and he's trying to get a quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way.

Let's get this quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way, folks!

Point LC.

Epi is perhaps the best dancer on the site. There is nothing "quick and easy" about trying to mislynch him on Day 1. This feels like trying to scare away votes, not a legit attempt to scumhunt, which is exactly what Epi is already accused of doing with Sloonei.

Combined with suspicious nonlynchcandidate declarations, I think this is worthy of a vote.

PS: What is my tell?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:09 pm I would never do ab&c as scum and therefore the best time to do ab&c would be as scum to fool people.

Also, people get lazy.

Ergo "I am not that bad at being bad" or "I wouldn't say that if I was bad" arguement a tend to be super unconvincing to me.

I hate unconvincing arguements. That's where the hate is coming from.

Hey, remember that time (in the second or third to last Hybridity, I think?) That I OMAC'd myself by asking a question only mafia would ask? Then tried to weasel out by saying I was setting a trap?

Not my finest moment.

No?

Last time I lynched you in Hybridity, it was POE and the time before that I was being dumb.

But what I should have said was "Okay."

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:01 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

I think the Spacedaisy guilt line of questioning is weak. I hate "I'm not that bad at being bad" defenses but if you can rephrase to "most players are not that bad at being bad," it is an acceptable counterattack.

Didn't come across that way, though. Still don't think Daisy gets guilty over being scum.

I don't. I kind of enjoy being scum. And I'm trying to overtake Epi still for top FEB, though lately I have suffered a setback because I haven't been rolling scum. And this game won't offer me the opportunity either. I'm not scum. I'm a big mountain.

Also I'm sorry you hate that defense, but it was really less of a defense and more annoyance that Sloonei could possibly think I'd be that bad at playing scum.

I would never do ab&c as scum and therefore the best time to do ab&c would be as scum to fool people.

Also, people get lazy.

Ergo "I am not that bad at being bad" or "I wouldn't say that if I was bad" arguement a tend to be super unconvincing to me.

I hate unconvincing arguements. That's where the hate is coming from.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am Hey Jack quick question, about how does accusing someone of being one of the Good Boyz poke them?

I take it you aren't married, having never poked someone in a nice way.

Also, there is no trust exercise. I was just saying hi.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:37 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:11 am He's buddying them, and then intimidating you out of an adversarial position. He's setting up a long game. That's not what Civ Epignosis cares to do.

I could see all of this being applicable to Epi in his current form. But he is as crafty a townie as he is scum, so I'm not going to leap to any quick decisions on him.

That just might be the main reason he survives when scum.

The latter part for sure (and he's damn good at it) but the former? I don't think I've ever seen big grumpy Epi buddy anyone before.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

I think the Spacedaisy guilt line of questioning is weak. I hate "I'm not that bad at being bad" defenses but if you can rephrase to "most players are not that bad at being bad," it is an acceptable counterattack.

Didn't come across that way, though. Still don't think Daisy gets guilty over being scum.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:34 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:58 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:40 pmI'm better at being scum than that Sloonei.

Can you provide proof of this?

idk but this is a perfect opportunity to reaffirm that I'm a better mafia than Epignosis.

Yeah but Epi's a better civvy so we just gotta watch and see which of you does good this game.

Tend to agree with your initial line of questioning.

Quin/Sloonei not w/w imo.

Of course, I do like Doc. Hes a fun fellow even if Dunsparce is lame.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:43 pm I thought as much. Wouldn't you say that's kind of a scum tell for you?

Yeesh. No?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:13 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:43 pm I thought as much. Wouldn't you say that's kind of a scum tell for you?

Which part of that is a scum tell for Jack?

Good question; Jack, in answering my question, be a dear and answer Sloonei's as well please.

Idk. The only scumtell I'm aware of is that I get overly excited when I think I'm about to win as a baddie.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:33 pm Yeah but I don't have a read on you yet.

(I don't actually have a read on Sprityo, either. I'm just poking him.)

Why like him instead of me?

I missed him. We've been playing games together. I count Pirates even though that was a one day thing.

Also, we have a pretty standard mafia relationship. Crazy stuff tends to happen in games I play with Sprityo. At least two of them anyway.

Yeah but I don't have a read on you yet.

(I don't actually have a read on Sprityo, either. I'm just poking him.)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:51 am Hi, @sprityo

Do you have an opinion on my alightment yet?

I think you're probably town.

What was so shining and glorious about sprit's check to earn him this early read?

I just like Sprityo.

Hi, [mention]sprityo[/mention]

Do you have an opinion on my alightment yet?

I think you're probably town.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:19 pm

GET PUMPED YE MOUNTAINS

DOWN WITH THE HIGH HILLS

Baby of hearts: That's a Trolls song?

Bleh.

Let's do this.

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