The Syndicate

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:39 pm Anyways I have a red on Leetic so merk them so I can die tonight and be showered with praise in dvc

And caught up backwards to that point. No further Roxy posts.

Imagine my disappointment in going in to loook at Pyxxy and Roxy reactions to the fake red and there just are none wowee

#weird

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:39 pm well

those are some unfortunate flips

Pyxxy just flat ignoring the fake red. Weird.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:47 pm I give PA ten minutes to rescind the claim.

Lol. I’m sorry, Leetic. But this really is funny.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:53 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:47 am We still have some time, but we should probably think abut trying to form wagons soonish.

Out of people who have a vote currently here is my preferences. Each category is ordered by my preference

Would support:
LP
Scotty

Would possibly vote over others, but unenthusiastically
Delta
Pyxxy

Don't really think should be a wagon, but meh:
Dizzy
DrWigly

Would actively campaign against:
Epi
honoring the dead

this and seanzie's color reads post are about the same, except this is missing Long Con, who would probably go square in the middle given Seanzie was down to flashwagon LC?

a day between me and delta sounds kinda exciting, I could maybe get behind that

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:58 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:56 am This is apparently where I'm at right now. Feels weird, but it is what it is.

Epignosis
leetic

Dyslexicon

Jackofhearts2005
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Delta
Roxy

S~V~S
Thunal33
pyxxy
DrWilgy

Long Con

LinearPoint
Scotty
Meh, no. Move Roxy to the null bin (down one)
going out soon so I'll look at LC tomorrow. I have a tendency to OMGUS and I do see my name was in his mouth after I forgot about EOD so don't want to half ass it

wondering why kill Seanzie over someone broadly tr i.e. leetic. maybe I'll comb iso for a crumb but idk if seanzie is the type / if this scum team are pr hunters

If Seanzie was killed for having scum in their nulls to scumleans, it’s weird for a wolf to draw attention to those reads.

Granted, this is in the middle of a fake peek and it’s likely to be ignored. But still.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:17 pm I do think leetic is mafia.

My response would not be some bullshit counter claim if I were leetic. Mine would be utter rage along the lines of how-dare-you-lie-about-me-etc.

Comfortable with my vote.

This looks decent.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:22 pm That sounds less like a gambit and more like irresponsible narcissism. Is that Abi's MO? That sounds far-fetched, especially for a newcomer to the game. It sounds a lot more like something a wolf might do, but you think Abi is a Town gambit-maker?

I think this looks better for LC.

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:33 pm Bad vibes from SVS.

Continued good vibes from Abby, Thunal, Epi.

Haven’t finished going through LC’s iso but I’m willing to believe the “Leetic is being self conscious, which makes the check more believable” thing can come from a townie just fine.

Have to dig into Roxy and SVS before voting. Maybe Wilgy if I get no pings in the three on the to do list.
?_?

Can you explain SVS a little more? Or when you do can you ping me with it.

I've had SVS/Roxy town during the leetic check stuff, so I'm interested to hear your thoughts on them here !_!

Also I noticed you talking ab townreading me off my thought that you/LC/pyxxy has mafia, do you think pyxxy would be the mafia here then? & if pyxxy town, does that change how you're reading me?

I’ll ping you when I really get into SVS.

Pyxxy could be mafia. I think Pyxxy is more likely mafia than LC. It’s not impossible for LC to be a wolf and it’s not impossible that there are t/t wagons (LP and Scotty) and two townies (LC and Jack) decide to vote the same off wagon townie (Pyxxy).

None of this really changes my read on you. The town read on you is based on the idea that you’re at least indirectly fighting against the east misyeets of at least two probable townies based on what looks like a real thought. The only way you come out looking bad is if LC and Pyxxy both turn out to be scum. Cause then it looks like you trying to disassociate your partners.

Reading backwards to see if Roxy has other reactions.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:29 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:06 pm Y'know, usually mechanically outed wolves just stop spewing. Something which I, noticeably, am not doing
This is desperately self-aware. [VOTE: leetic] aubergine

I will say that this is a good post for a wolf to make. Like it’s “solving” and it’s an excuse to vote for Leetic. It certainly doesn’t have to come from a wolf but I can see the argument.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:56 am
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:28 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:22 pm That sounds less like a gambit and more like irresponsible narcissism. Is that Abi's MO? That sounds far-fetched, especially for a newcomer to the game. It sounds a lot more like something a wolf might do, but you think Abi is a Town gambit-maker?
My perspective is perhaps biased because I played in a game where someone did exactlly that. https://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?t=151853 See Mikey (flashflaash account) on D2 (would be considered D3 in this site's parlance)
Does anyone ever actuality follow these links and read them? I don't bc its useless to base reads on meta bc meta changes game to game. And if you say not me then I would ask - so you still play like your first game? Unsure of everything?

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:51 am
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:26 pm Sadly, Abigail is probably town. They are doing something incredibly stupid, which will be made clear in due time. But I just don't see mafia doing this — trying to out a potential Cop CC when it's unclear one exists and trying to kill a vocal townie that they could nightkill anyway just doesn't make sense to lose a decently townread player that will be outed by my flip. A 1v1 here will just waste town's day, so I'll try to do my best to avoid it.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine It is completely weird how they completely avoided talking about the elephant in the room, and since this is likely t/t and the two wagons last EoD that they ignored were also t/t, I think it shows a pretty consistent pattern of a wolf that is happy to let town fight itself.
Using the word *stupid* to describe a player is not nice and frowned upon by me.
I'm glad people are playing their own game instead of the lemmings that followed you yesterday.

These posts are also during that timeframe.

It’s weird that Roxy isn’t saying anything about the red perk in here, right?

Is it weird like “Roxy knows the peek is fake and is avoiding talking about it?” Idk. Maybe.

Up until this post, Roxy’s iso is a whole lot of nothing. Some light reads. Lots of talk about her schedule and telling Leetic to be nicer. I lean wolf on it but it’s an easy iso to slot into townreads if lots of scummy players and into wolfreads when there are lots of townie players cause there’s just nothing super definitive in there.

Here’s Roxy’s only post after the red peek claim before the reveal that it’s fake that has anything to do with the red peek. Compares LC to Scotty. Isn’t immediately clear if she’s saying “LC is being like Scotty, ergo town” or “LC is consciously repeating a townie’s thoughts to shade a player, ergo scum.”

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:18 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:29 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:06 pm Y'know, usually mechanically outed wolves just stop spewing. Something which I, noticeably, am not doing
This is desperately self-aware. [VOTE: leetic] aubergine
Hrm

This is the same way Scotty described leetic.

Bad vibes from SVS.

Continued good vibes from Abby, Thunal, Epi.

Haven’t finished going through LC’s iso but I’m willing to believe the “Leetic is being self conscious, which makes the check more believable” thing can come from a townie just fine.

Have to dig into Roxy and SVS before voting. Maybe Wilgy if I get no pings in the three on the to do list.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:53 am Jack suddenly showing uhh like I dunno activity after I rescinded but barely caring before that feels > rand wolfy

But also real life is a thing.

Still I don't like it... voting there

I mean…don’t we all have to do more in a phase where there isn’t a red check? What exactly is wolfy about being more engaged in solving after the fact?

Also you’re literally quoting me softing.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:56 am
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:50 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:48 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:42 pm @DrWilgy @Jackofhearts2005 Tagging since you are the two who haven't really shown up after the false redcheck. If either of you have bight actions that could have caused this to happen, you need to claim asap.
What exactly is being claimed?
A redcheck on me, if you have any night actions that might have influenced this please claim.
Who is claiming the red check on you?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:52 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:50 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:50 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:48 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:42 pm @DrWilgy @Jackofhearts2005 Tagging since you are the two who haven't really shown up after the false redcheck. If either of you have bight actions that could have caused this to happen, you need to claim asap.
What exactly is being claimed?
A redcheck on me, if you have any night actions that might have influenced this please claim.
Who is claiming the red check on you?
Abigail (who subbed in for Dizzy)
No. I didn’t do anything like redirecting Dizzy/Abigail or bus driving you.

That’s a really hard check to believe.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:53 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:50 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:49 pm Holy shit 7 votes on Leetic
And what about them? Pointing out I had a lot of votes but nit doing anything about it is something you did in your last scumgame with me, just sayin'
They’re surprising. But less so because there’s a claimed red check on you.

And noted. I’ll keep that in mind when trying to determine my own alignment.

I quoted several posts ^^, so i spoilered it.

I think Jacks reaction looks worse than LCs, he's being very cautious around it, although Jack bolsters LC a bit in his ISO as well. I know I must have seen bad Jack, but i don't recall offhand when.

I have seen tons of LC, though, and he has a certain tone when he's bad, or he used to have. I'm not seeing it at all, but he didn't have it in the Pirate sock game either, so I'm not going to rely on meta here.

At this point imma [VOTE: Jack] aubergine but am not married to it, I'll consider other options, and I hope Roxy returns to clarify her earlier post.

I wanna point out that I have like a 75% win rate as mafia on this site and it’s pretty silly that ppl are like “Jack didn’t immediately believe in the validity of a red peek on a strong townread. Ergo TMI. Ergo mafia.”

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:50 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:14 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:13 pm I'm gonna go spend time with my girlfriend she's upset and more important than you guys

The game is ez 5 people are sorted off this claim

Stop acting like it's a throw and solve the rest

Byeeee
Since when?
Since I read into the reactions

I meant since when is your gf more important than us.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:53 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:47 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:26 pm Oooh Thunnel talk to me
Did you have reasons for confidently towneading leetic outside their post count?
Yes. I mean, there’s a fuckton of townie behavior from Leetic D1. He’s being frustrated and trying to drive the game. He was my strongest townread D1 easily.

But then I scumread him anyhow just based on it being a mechanical unlikelihood that the peek was messed with. Didn’t really consider it could be fake cause I’m dumb.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:47 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:26 pm Oooh Thunnel talk to me
Did you have reasons for confidently towneading leetic outside their post count?

Yes. I mean, there’s a fuckton of townie behavior from Leetic D1. He’s being frustrated and trying to drive the game. He was my strongest townread D1 easily.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:43 pm
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Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:07 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:47 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:46 pm If PA is mafia, then claiming cop when they are well aware of a potential CC is a very bad idea unless they want to get rid of the town cop that much. Maybe they're a jester, but are those really common in this day and age? Town gambit is most likely, but keep in mind that this is a very very bad idea and there are a million ways that this can go wrong.
I don't know.

I'm kind of having fun again all of a sudden.
Right? This is a way easier way to play, frankly. Put an elephant in the room and see what happens.

Leetic, why would you counter-claim a Scotty check? Before I caught up to the rescind, I thought it was just incredulous that it *happened* to be the dead guy, like, how convenient, right? Why would you go that way, this is looking meltdowny.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:13 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:09 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:07 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:47 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:46 pm If PA is mafia, then claiming cop when they are well aware of a potential CC is a very bad idea unless they want to get rid of the town cop that much. Maybe they're a jester, but are those really common in this day and age? Town gambit is most likely, but keep in mind that this is a very very bad idea and there are a million ways that this can go wrong.
I don't know.

I'm kind of having fun again all of a sudden.
Right? This is a way easier way to play, frankly. Put an elephant in the room and see what happens.

Leetic, why would you counter-claim a Scotty check? Before I caught up to the rescind, I thought it was just incredulous that it *happened* to be the dead guy, like, how convenient, right? Why would you go that way, this is looking meltdowny.
I CC'd to try to get Abigail to back down. I did not want the actual cop (if one exists) to CC. The biggest problem with town gambits where they fakeclaim cop is that they will often cause PRs to be outed, and since we already lost two we do not want that to happen
I don't understand the point of a gambit like this, how can this be a gambit? Random hope?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:22 pm That sounds less like a gambit and more like irresponsible narcissism. Is that Abi's MO? That sounds far-fetched, especially for a newcomer to the game. It sounds a lot more like something a wolf might do, but you think Abi is a Town gambit-maker?

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

This is my strongest sus rn. His line of question fits someone who knows leetic is town but is confused about the gambit. If LC is town who doesn't understand why Abi would do a gambit, why not jump to calling leetic a wolf instead of spinning his wheels on how it's a gambit?

LC’s D1 looks totally fine.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:05 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:11 pmThat you're just intentionally being obtuse?
leetic, I'd like you to meet my friend, Epignosis.

Isoing LC. I almost made this exact joke.

@Justplayingitcool

Can we get iso links on the front page for the mobile players? Please and thank you.

Oooh Thunnel talk to me

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:23 pm I’m gonna throw out a big dumb townread on Delta. I think a wolf doesn’t make that post about me, Leetic and Pyxxy.

Maybe if those happen to all be townies you legit think you can string up all three but like what are the chances? Delta probably just town.

Me, LC and Pyxxy.

Me over here pretending it’s early D1 and I have to make reads off very limited information cause I don’t wanna backread. Somebody talk to me before I start playing TITS

I’m gonna throw out a big dumb townread on Delta. I think a wolf doesn’t make that post about me, Leetic and Pyxxy.

Maybe if those happen to all be townies you legit think you can string up all three but like what are the chances? Delta probably just town.

Five. I meant ally left out Wilgy for some reason. Possibly because o haven’t seen any of his posts

Like this isn’t based on a lot but I feel like Thunnel has been the most townie of those 4.

Idk if LC/Pyxxy is a difference check but it’s a good place to start.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:16 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:56 am This is apparently where I'm at right now. Feels weird, but it is what it is.

Epignosis
leetic

Dyslexicon

Jackofhearts2005
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Delta
Roxy

S~V~S
Thunal33
pyxxy
DrWilgy

Long Con

LinearPoint
Scotty
With two of Sean's strong townreads basically confirmed town, it wouldn't make sense for scum to NK him over leetic if he had bad reads. I feel fairly confident just based on this that Epi is town as well, and there's likely at least one wolf in the PoE group of SVS, me, pyxxy, Wilgy, and LC.

Agreed. When Seanzie is wrong, you just let him be wrong.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:13 pm I'm gonna go spend time with my girlfriend she's upset and more important than you guys

The game is ez 5 people are sorted off this claim

Stop acting like it's a throw and solve the rest

Byeeee

Since when?

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:58 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:55 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:53 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:49 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:43 pm I tell you, Abigail. You are very very lucky that you did not out any town PRs
No town PR is CCing me lol
If one did it would have been very very bad. There's a reason why fake cop claims like this are considered gamethrowing behavior
They aren't anywhere I've ever played considered game throwing

Town isn't stupid they aren't gonna CC especially since cop isn't in this set up lol
1. How do you know there is no cop in this setup?
2. How do you know they won't CC when town does stupid things all the time (case in point)?
3. How do you know there's no roleblocker, redirector, etc. whose actions could contradict your claim?

Just because it happened that the setup was such that this wasn't a disaster doesn't mean it couldn't have been. Don't do it again.

Tbf, if I was a cop in this setup and someone faked a red on my top (noncopped) townread with this kinda posting ratio, I wouldn’t CC cause I’d assume it was a fancy pants play.

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:51 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:50 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:44 pm OKAY WITH THAT IN MIND can people go revisit Long Con's reaction to the Leetic check with the knowledge that Abi was fpsing & Leetic prolly town?

I feel like I'm losing it but there's something there
No your right

It's like actually probably just LC/Roxy/Jack or Pyxxy tbh
Do you think LC/Jack stacked on v!pyxxy with v/v wagons as is?

We are very good at wolfin tbh

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:40 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:06 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:38 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:10 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:51 am
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:26 pm Sadly, Abigail is probably town. They are doing something incredibly stupid, which will be made clear in due time. But I just don't see mafia doing this — trying to out a potential Cop CC when it's unclear one exists and trying to kill a vocal townie that they could nightkill anyway just doesn't make sense to lose a decently townread player that will be outed by my flip. A 1v1 here will just waste town's day, so I'll try to do my best to avoid it.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine It is completely weird how they completely avoided talking about the elephant in the room, and since this is likely t/t and the two wagons last EoD that they ignored were also t/t, I think it shows a pretty consistent pattern of a wolf that is happy to let town fight itself.
Using the word *stupid* to describe a player is not nice and frowned upon by me.
I'm glad people are playing their own game instead of the lemmings that followed you yesterday.
Well to be stupid I would have to be wrong which I'm not so the insult lost its fangs.
Well, you are wrong. If you're actually town, you better apologize when I flip
Oh god they said the towny words
Cool I caught up

Time to piss Leetic off lol

I rescind my claim and Leetic is obv town as fuck

Thunal is obv town as fuck.

Delta is obv town as fuck.

Roxy looks awful

Jack looks awful

Pyxxy looks pretty mid

You can say I played bad but there's 24 hours left in this phase and we have 4 people who are basically lock town off this so let's go win a game and you can bitch at me after kk

I rescind my claim

Lul.

Explain the ones not me.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:34 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:58 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:03 pm Scotty has been killed. They were Jelly Beans: Vanilla Town

Seanzie has been killed. They were Coffee Beans: Town Vigilante

Dyslexicon has been subbed out for Princess Abigail

It is now day phase 2. Day will end in 48 hours, 15/10/2023 11PM BST.
Bleh.

Scotty and LP both being town does like say we were largely on the wrong track D1 but gah how often is the guy who has nearly 3 times the posts of the second top poster and they’re mostly about the actual game turn out to be a wolf? Like never.

Bleh bleh bleh

Um Alison, ringing any bells?

What could I possibly be doing that reminds you of Alison?

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:39 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:36 pm Especially since I’m weighing the idea of town Dizzy copping you (high) vs wolves messing with Dizzy (lowish) and it seems town didn’t mess with him.
As I said earlier, Dizzy's PR soft was obvious lol

Also, it was Abigail that supposedly copped me, not Dizzy (who subbed out by that point)

Mechanics are much less obvious when you don’t read every post but I get what you’re saying.

Especially since I’m weighing the idea of town Dizzy copping you (high) vs wolves messing with Dizzy (lowish) and it seems town didn’t mess with him.

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:21 pm Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned

You should be super concerned lol

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:03 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:01 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:56 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:54 pm I do think Dizzy’s EOD1 felt townie ftr.
How do you feel about pyxxy right now? & why did your vote end there D1?
I don’t feel any differently. Pyxxy pinged me and asked me things they didn’t really give a shit about. It’s a bad look. Sure, one datapoint in many but at the time I didn’t have many scum indicative datapoints.
!_! noted

How are you reading Long Con right now?

Town but don’t take that to the bank as it’s based off like 3 posts

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:56 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:54 pm I do think Dizzy’s EOD1 felt townie ftr.
How do you feel about pyxxy right now? & why did your vote end there D1?

I don’t feel any differently. Pyxxy pinged me and asked me things they didn’t really give a shit about. It’s a bad look. Sure, one datapoint in many but at the time I didn’t have many scum indicative datapoints.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:03 pm Scotty has been killed. They were Jelly Beans: Vanilla Town

Seanzie has been killed. They were Coffee Beans: Town Vigilante

Dyslexicon has been subbed out for Princess Abigail

It is now day phase 2. Day will end in 48 hours, 15/10/2023 11PM BST.

Bleh.

Scotty and LP both being town does like say we were largely on the wrong track D1 but gah how often is the guy who has nearly 3 times the posts of the second top poster and they’re mostly about the actual game turn out to be a wolf? Like never.

Bleh bleh bleh

I do think Dizzy’s EOD1 felt townie ftr.

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:50 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:49 pm Holy shit 7 votes on Leetic
And what about them? Pointing out I had a lot of votes but nit doing anything about it is something you did in your last scumgame with me, just sayin'

They’re surprising. But less so because there’s a claimed red check on you.

And noted. I’ll keep that in mind when trying to determine my own alignment.

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:50 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:50 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:48 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:42 pm @DrWilgy @Jackofhearts2005 Tagging since you are the two who haven't really shown up after the false redcheck. If either of you have bight actions that could have caused this to happen, you need to claim asap.
What exactly is being claimed?
A redcheck on me, if you have any night actions that might have influenced this please claim.
Who is claiming the red check on you?
Abigail (who subbed in for Dizzy)

No. I didn’t do anything like redirecting Dizzy/Abigail or bus driving you.

That’s a really hard check to believe.

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:48 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:42 pm @DrWilgy @Jackofhearts2005 Tagging since you are the two who haven't really shown up after the false redcheck. If either of you have bight actions that could have caused this to happen, you need to claim asap.
What exactly is being claimed?
A redcheck on me, if you have any night actions that might have influenced this please claim.

Who is claiming the red check on you?

Holy shit 7 votes on Leetic

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:42 pm @DrWilgy @Jackofhearts2005 Tagging since you are the two who haven't really shown up after the false redcheck. If either of you have bight actions that could have caused this to happen, you need to claim asap.

What exactly is being claimed?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:27 pm
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:43 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:22 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:48 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:45 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:42 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:41 pm

Good timing :o
It's mainly introductions, I wanted to be around for most people getting here so I could get stuck into things but since things are quiet I'm struggling a little & I didnt really want to miss this and have all of my reads being from backreading off the word go.

I dont think there's much to his intro? Aside from slank cover. I've never played w him before so I dont fully know what to expect, which is why I gave my few little questions to try ease into things
Would you say he's GTH town or scum?
I honestly dont know ;_; I liked the beans reference because haha beans game, not sure about the 'woah why so pushy' thing but I dont think I could give a GTH read either way because there's so little there right now & I dont think it's impossible to say that it could come from either alignment

Will swing your question back on you though because I'm assuming off of Scotty's reaction that you've played w/ each other before, should I take his introduction as AI?
The whole point of a GTH is that it doesn't have to be based on anything, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer

Last time I played with him is years ago. However, regardless of player you can always tell something from introduction posts. I know my introduction would be different had I randed a different alignment
This reeks of hyper self awareness and I don’t think you really mean that
Spicy ketchup take given the vote count: I agree

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:52 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:43 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:22 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:48 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:45 pm

I honestly dont know ;_; I liked the beans reference because haha beans game, not sure about the 'woah why so pushy' thing but I dont think I could give a GTH read either way because there's so little there right now & I dont think it's impossible to say that it could come from either alignment

Will swing your question back on you though because I'm assuming off of Scotty's reaction that you've played w/ each other before, should I take his introduction as AI?
The whole point of a GTH is that it doesn't have to be based on anything, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer

Last time I played with him is years ago. However, regardless of player you can always tell something from introduction posts. I know my introduction would be different had I randed a different alignment
This reeks of hyper self awareness and I don’t think you really mean that
Spicy ketchup take given the vote count: I agree
And what are you actually going to do with that agreement? Do you read me as scum or what?
I'll let you know when I've actually read more than the first handful of posts.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:14 pm Well, I finished VLR today and I haven't given this game enough time and the kids are all in bed so I supposed I should read and solve over here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:27 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:36 pm No activity besides me in the last 25 minutes? Lame
Feels townie.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:48 pm The whole point of a GTH is that it doesn't have to be based on anything, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer

Last time I played with him is years ago. However, regardless of player you can always tell something from introduction posts. I know my introduction would be different had I randed a different alignment
I don't think this line of questioning is fair this early in the game. Like heaven forbid we don't have a read on someone 30 posts into the game.

That said, I think it is the kinda post I would expect more from a townie than a wolf.

I'm fully aware that I earlier agreed with Scotty that this was a wolfy post. Don't care. Now it's a townie post.

That's the main thing I'm getting out of my page one. I think Leetic's interactions with most everybody are townie. He's trying to squeeze content out of people.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:19 pm [VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

FTR, this is cause my two biggest townreads are voting there. Idk that I'll finish catching up before EOD.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:50 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:27 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:19 pm [VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

FTR, this is cause my two biggest townreads are voting there. Idk that I'll finish catching up before EOD.
Although, the one weird thing about this votes is that it seems to be an attempt to absolve himself if things go wrong. "Don't blame me, blame my townreads!"
There's no absolution if LP goes over and is town. But it saves people the trouble of going "why do/did you suspect LP" when the answer is that I don't. I don't have any suspects yet, really.
This is what I mean by awareness. Jack anticipated criticism/questioning multiple times, like saying he voted LP because of his townreads and saying that he agreed with Scotty earlier but now disagrees. A lot of wanting to tell the thread he's catching up too, which is >rand wolf.

Also, @Jackofhearts2005 I had voted LP right before you did and you voiced that one of my posts was yucky, did it bother you at all that I was voting there?

Not particularly.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:38 pm I guess if you think Scotty and LP are wolves together you could think it was AI but what are the odds.
Self-pres is something a townie should always do. If you're town, your goal is to lynch wolves, and getting lynched yourself runs completely against that. If Scotty wants to be lynched over someone they consider a "coinflip", what am I supposed to make of that? It's wolfy at best and gamethrowing at worst

Same for wolves though.

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