The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:41 pm MacDougal pt. III

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:54 pm G-Man is outed imo. Dyslexicon looks like a teammate too.

G-man was a popular suspect in the immediate aftermath of the Radish lynch. Mac rides that wave. Good look for G.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:24 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:09 pm I think Sabie is on the Radish team. The way she was addressing Radish was sparse and awkward. She didn't respond to Radish when Radish picked her vote on Nut out as the worst vote. But every time I say something anti-Sabie she's there to comment on it.

Turnip also looks bad from this. The way he ended up on Nut D1 even though he supposedly suspected Radish. And also D2 built counter wagons to him. Not a great look. Though I've been reading Turnip more town otherwise. Idk.

I can vibe that. I think Dom, Jack, G-Man and Sprityo are more likely to be radishes teammates but Sabie could be on either team fmpov.

I think the non radishes team are more likely to have been laying low once the wagon formation became clear. It would be needless for them to participate. I'd say that the other team are more likely to be among the people voting earlier or off wagon entirely since they were coasting by the end. Sabie profiles here.

I think Michelle and Tranq profile as suspects too. I'd be interested to hear nutella's feelings on Michelle given she had a strong town read on her earlier.

I think most of the people who voted late are relatively clean with the exception of Sprityo because his vote was on me. So that's TH, Colin, Juliets, Epi and TSP I think. I think it's unlikely any of them would make that vote if they were scum, even if they weren't on MR's team.

Juicy content here. Confirmed Town Hero Dizzy calls out sabie as a potential Radish partner. Mac latches onto that and lumps in Dom, Jack, sprityo and G-man. Sprit is the only one of those four who has flipped and we know he was town. I'm exceedingly confident that the other three are not on Mac's team.

What I'm more interested in here is the rest of these two posts. Dizzy also singles out Turnip Head as a suspect, but Mac makes no mention of that. Instead he launches into an unrelated defense of "most of the people who voted late". That list of names includes: "TH, Colin, Juliets, Epi and TSP"
So that's 3 of my prime suspects from parts 1 & 2. The strongest of those suspects was already Turnip Head, and given that Mac is ignoring Dizzy's suspicion and instead turning this into a positive on TH is not an inspiring look. Juliets is a confident not-mac-partnered read (and not-radishes-partnered read, but that's not our concern here), and Epi was more or less null because Mac's had nothing to say about him so far. In fact, I'm about ready to lump him in with Tony as a player Mac has brought up a few times without actually saying anything substantive.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:31 pm The other thing worth noting is that given I didn't get many more votes on me when the MR wagon started to take off (literally just Sprityo) it means that MR's other teammates were most likely already voting for me, so would have been pushing me without any ability to increase the numbers on my wagon. Staring blankly in the direction of Jack.

Just quoting this to emphasize that Mac appears to be genuinely hunting for the other team at this stage.

more turbup defense

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:08 pm ColinIsCool
Dyslexicon
Turnip Head
juliets
S~V~S
Epignosis
TonyStarkPrime
Sloonei
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr
sig
Dragomir
speedchuck
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
Michelle (a)
Tranq (a)
Jackofhearts2005 (b)
sabie12 (a/b)
Dom (b)
G-Man (b)
sprityo (b)

If anyone wants to actually get into some nitty gritty discussion I'm keen. If there are any reads here that are wtf let's talk.

A rainbow. Neat. Colin is somehow the top green read. Does Mac support his teammate that aggressively? This shakes my Colin suspicion a little, but not enough to dismiss it outright. Turnip Head is in the same tier, but that's actually reflected in Mac's posts to this point. Epi and Tony also get the Dark Green treatment despite minimal handling. Granted that Mac's post-Day 2 analysis existed to grant favorable reads to all three of these folks, but given how light it was I'm not particularly fond of these placements. I have to wonder whether he'd position his entire team in the top tier of a rainbow (and it's obviously impossible that all four of TH, Tony, Colin, and Epi are his teammates). I also not that Jay and I are now green, along with ted and sig(?). That entire second green tier makes no sense. I remember zero substantial interactions with ted, several hostile interactions with sig, and a few vague shade posts directed at jay and myself. speedchuck, nanook, michelle, and tranq make up the middle tiers of the rainbow. I've felt varying levels of good about the latter three elsewhere in this iso. His bottom tier is a list of people I'm almost certain are not on his team, and I think that list (the red names) represents his honest suspects at this time.

Mac does a 180 on G-man. I still think the progression on him as a suspect looked sincere.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:51 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:50 am Sabie
Mac
Ted

You think I am teammates with Sabie? For real?

Just noting that Mac has nothing to say about Ted here.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:36 am I'd like to hear some non Mac talk from people who haven't said much. Epignosis and JaggedJimmyJay you guys have been unusually low key. Care to express yourselves?

Generic prods for Epi and Jay.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:37 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:41 am I’m going to float the idea that this game is chaotic because there are two scum teams trying to outdo each other. Anyone want to ask me why this is important?

How is this game any more or less chaotic than any other games? It hasn't felt chaotic to me at all.

Generic banter with Iron Man. Okay. This might be the most meaningful thing Mac has had to say to/about Tony to this point.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:48 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:34 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:31 am I have no idea where I’d put my vote now. Maybe on Radishes but that feels like a cop out because I don’t suspect Radishes I just don’t see anything townie in him and he’s probably the player here whose game I have the weakest grasp of.

This is such a teammate thing to say, specifically the line "I don't suspect Radishes I just don't see anything townie in him"; that's how someone talks about their guilty friend

At least someone sees it...

This has shades of the point I made about Jay's tranq post earlier, but it's slightly different: Here TH is supporting a read that Mac has been spouting for a while. In that light, I do not struggle to read this as a teammate interaction. I may be entering a tunnel on TH/Mac.

Singles out Tranq and Michelle, in what looks like a suggestion for people nutella can investigate(?). I'll call this a good look for those two. Mac has no incentive to sick nutella on his partners like that.

[Skipping tons of stuff with dead people/people i've ruled out]

Nothing response to an Epi post. Okay.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:08 pm Does anyone have anything to say about Tranq's contributions? They seem like your common scum slank style play.

Desperation heave against Tranq. None of mac's little jabs at Tranq have had the scent of bussing, but none of them have been strong enough for that to be a slam dunk read. I have no direct reason to suspicious of these two in association with each other.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:06 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:59 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:44 pm I don’t remember syndicate games being this toxic or filled with vitriol.

Maybe I just have selective memory

It's generally a common thing that occurs when people tunnel me. I'll take the heat on this one.

Not everyone who suspects you is tunnelling.

What is tunneling?

No, not everyone is. Jack isn't. Nutella isn't. Sloonei isn't. There are a lot of people who aren't. At this point I think the majority of the game have at least some suspicion of me with the notable exceptions of Turnip Head, Tedxtr et al. I'm not going to comment on whether you are or not because I what is and isn't tunneling is rather open to interpretation. But I think it would be quite impossible to believe that I haven't been the victim of it to a significant degree. I don't exactly have a problem with it either, in a grudge holding, long term mad at you kinda way. So as long as those who do it are willing to accept that if they are going to engage in me negatively, by applying tunnel vision, repetitive and adamant fashion that I am going to reply equally negatively then really we should able to have tiffs and flare ups and then work past them. That would be my preference.

Names! Mac lists myself, jack, and nutella as players "not tunneling" him. None of us are on mac's team. He then singles out TH and Ted as players "not suspicious" of him, and then moves on. Ted and speedchuck are probably the most absent players from this ISO, for what it's worth. That is more notable in Ted's case, as he's been a bigger thread presence and I believe I recall him having a strong defense of Mac at some point during the game. Interesting.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:02 pm @Dom talk about Turnip Head some more. You say you don’t like that he avoided answering some of your questions yesterday. What do you imagine was Mafia TH’s mindset in those moments?

Can we talk about the Darth Sloonei shaped elephant in the room?

Hot spicy tunnel take incoming! I remember this post because it's directed at me. At the time I thought it was just typical Mac (independent of alignment) lashing out at me and didn't put much weight into this post as anything other than an attempt to draw some content out of Mac. But as I look at it now in the light of this ISO, I notice a new detail: Mac abruptly lashes out at me the moment I start to focus some attention on Turnip Head. Spicy. I may have already alluded to this elsewhere, but I believe it was last year's GoC (or maybe A World Asunder?) where I caught Mac's partner (juliets) on Day 1, and he immediately turned that into a campaign against me as a way to both defend his teammate and potentially remove a threatening player. Shades of that exact thing right here.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:09 pm @MacDougall talk about players who aren’t voting for/heavily suspecting you. Who are your town reads? Is there anyone you think isn’t getting enough attention?

A great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;

Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.

Look at this Town MVP making the confirmed bad guy spout new reads. Mac has done a complete 180 on both Epi and Colin (you'll recall they were at the top of his rainbow earlier). Very interesting. Mac has had very little to say about these two and has now reversed course on both of them. Is this a late attempt at distancing now that he's more of a risk to be lynched? I think his Michelle suspicion was genuine, so I continue to feel alright about her in relation to mac. speedchuck makes a rare appearance with a generic read which does nothing for me. Tranq makes another appearance as well. The Colin and Epi bits are by far the juiciest moments in this post.

Mac says more words about speedchuck, but none of these words really amount to anything substantial. Lame read.

Mac says more words about Epignosis, but none of these words really amount to anything substantial. Lame read.

Alright yeah Mac is just trying to play a tightlipped game at this point. He gave that list of reads and then shut it down. Very lame. It looks like he is unwilling to talk about these things, perhaps because he doesn't want to tip his hand any further. I expect there is at least one partner in these reads. Colin, Epi, and speedchuck are the candidates.

Another empty Epi response. I can actually see this in a positive light for Epi: Mac's response almost looks timid, like he prodded Epi and was shut down, and now he's downplaying it. That's not strong enough to dismiss Epi as a suspect, and there is certainly room to read this in a less favorable light. But it's something. Here is Mac giving me the same treatment one post later.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:41 pm Curious about when TSP voted for me? I was under the impression he wanted to lynch ... not me? And I missed where he explained placing a vote there.

This post exists. At this point I think I'll get more out of my read on Tony if I read these interactions from his side rather than Mac. I'll just shrug at this for now.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:40 pm Alright fine mac, gimme a town read or two.

linki: oh

juliets is really the only one I am feeling as a lock. S-V-S, ted, Turnip Head are civ lean. I've come around on Dom and Nanook. I was feeling okay about TSP until I just noticed he voted for me.

Day 3 Sloon was tired of non-cooperative Mac, so he changed his approach. juliets is a town read, duh. Among living players, so are TH, ted, Dom, and nanook. Tony has lost town-status. The TH read is consistent and doesn't change a thing. Dom and nanook are new developments, but I'm not inclined to read those unfavorable (especially Dom who is probably the most confident not-mac-aligned player in the game). I continue to not know why Ted is a town read. If it weren't for the bit about Tony's vote being on Mac, I'd also have no reason why any form of a read exists on him at all.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:17 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:08 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:05 pm Lest I encourage bad behavior, I want to point out that Dom gets more emotional as a townie and I need some smart sounding reads right now for my own ego.

I hate to tell you that this isn't true.


But he's saying what my point against Colin has been from day 1. Colin's participation only increases when his team tells him he's in hot water.

It does look that way. I wouldn't go as far as to state it as fact though. He could just be checking in and scanning for mentions of his name as a townie. I think everyone is guilty of that from time to time. But it is scummy.

A wishywashy thing about Colin. I do not believe Colin was actually a viable lynch at this stage in Day 3, so this is pretty empty shade from Mac.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:20 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:17 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:41 pm Curious about when TSP voted for me? I was under the impression he wanted to lynch ... not me? And I missed where he explained placing a vote there.

A few hours before this post — when Sig overtook you. I want to lynch not you. But also not Sig.

So you put your vote on me over 24 hours before EOD to stop sig from steamrolling to the lead but you don't want to lynch me though?

Seems a little bit strange to me.

This doesn't look like a very passionate exchange. Idk what that means. it continues

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:37 am The way I am reading it is that TSP is attempting to use some sort of probability to justify his vote as opposed to actually taking personal accountability for a read, which is a scum mentality generally.

Okay. This is by far the most substantial thing Mac has had to say about Tony. It may be a genuine read. It may be a late attempt at distancing, but it feels a little convoluted for that. There was an extended build up to this, Mac had draw answers out of him, and this point is nuanced in a way that doesn't seem fabricated. Good look for Tony, at last.
Caveat to all of the above is that Mac might have been trying to plant a false trail at this stage. But I'm still inclined to look on this favorably for Tony.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:49 am Let me rephrase. He can do whatever he wants. But it should not be looked upon favourably by anybody who actually understands how to win this game. What he is doing is a specifically scummy strategy. If he was town he would attempt to cause the lynch of somebody he thinks is a good lynch.

If I am wrong for voicing this or your natural reaction is to mock me for it then I question how seriously you're taking winning this game as a civilian.

Here Mac kind of softens the read, but does not back down from it by any means. My inclination is to read this as a real suspicion, which is to say that Mac may have believed Tony to be a member of the opposite team at this moment.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:23 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:18 am Anybody got thoughts about ted?

I appreciate his existence and would prefer it to continue

Here we go. The player with the most evidence linking to them in this ISO prompting Mac to talk about the player with the lightest and most inexplicable presence. Let's see where this goes.
Nowhere at first...

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:10 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:57 am Well I think he's a bit sketchy. Why do you like him?

Mostly because he's defended me. I don't see why any scum would do that in light of the hysteria about lynching me. Same reason I like you.

Somewhere at second. with quotes
... and that appears to be it. Alright that was unjuicy. Well, ted's mac defense is quite juicy, but I'm not about to analyze that at the moment. I'll also want to look at how TH has handled ted outside of this interaction. TH remains a viable suspect, and if that is the case I could see room to read Ted as teammate #3 in this exchange, but so far it is inconclusive.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:43 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:42 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:49 am Let me rephrase. He can do whatever he wants. But it should not be looked upon favourably by anybody who actually understands how to win this game. What he is doing is a specifically scummy strategy. If he was town he would attempt to cause the lynch of somebody he thinks is a good lynch.

If I am wrong for voicing this or your natural reaction is to mock me for it then I question how seriously you're taking winning this game as a civilian.

this is right.
if Mac is scum this is moot I think but in either case if I’m serious I’d be spending more time trying to find a better lynch.
ironically Mac knows that I’d be more serious about it if I were scum.
But I don’t care enough to save Mac.

Quite quite quite the opposite

Meanwhile, I'm feeling better and better about Tony not being on Mac's team.
Yeah. If Tony and Mac are partners, then Mac decided to keep him at arm's length for most of the game and then abruptly turn on him at the last minute. Certainly not impossible, especially for a crafty pair of players like this. But I'm not inclined to read it that way without any other evidence to suggest it.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:18 pm Masters team = Sloonei, nutella + +
Anti monitor team = Jack +

There are a range of players who could go either way. Dom, Nanook, Jay, Epi. Heaps more tbh.

Actually piqued by the idea of Sloonei and nutella being teammates now that I've said it. They've sparred like teammates do iirc.

Hey look, another assembly of names. Mac continues to do nothing meaningful with Jay or Epi (or me).

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:58 pm Watch and behold as the Sloonei/nutella kerfuffle goes absolutely nowhere.

Not that it's explicitly significant to me, but Mac tried to set up a nutella vs. sloonei thing at this stage in the day, which I'm reading now as an attempted distraction/aggressive mac smokescreen. I only bring it up because it provides a window into his strategy at this point: he's throwing shit at the wall and making noise.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:08 pm I took it as a rhetorical.

I pursue an answer. I think they both look to form; you don't. What is to form?

I am missing the earnest attempt to persuade others from nutella. I would expect more pomp.

This exchange where Mac dodges Jay's question is another good look for Jay.

A last second empty jab at speedchuck. Okay.

And then he's dead. Ignoring Mac's ghost because that's open WIFOM season,

The most interesting development in this final section for sure is the improvement of Tony's status. I'd be willing to bump him up to a green shade on the rainbow. I also had one point in favor of Epi after several shrugs, so I'll move him up to a light green as well. Ted moves down to orange pending further review. I'm adding a green tier to separate moderate reads from mild. Tiers themselves are not internally ranked. Final results:

Jack
Dom
juliets
Jay
Michelle
nanook
Tony
G-man
Tranq
Epi
Ted
speedchuck
Colin
Turnip Head

I came into this exercise having felt good about Turnip Head for much of the game, so his placement at the bottom comes as a bit of a surprise. The orange names are all low-key presences in this ISO that would require more investigation to parse out. Epi and Tranq are favorable reads that could easily change. Everyone above that feels like a stretch. Jay and Michelle are probably the least confident names in the middle green tier (Jay just because of who he is; Michelle because there wasn't all that much content, but there were multiple occasions where I felt good about her), but based on the evidence I have seen I would not be inclined to suspect them in association with Mac. The top three names are absolutely not on a team with Mac.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:27 pm Nanook and Michelle defending Jay here is I-N-T-E-R-E-S-T-I-N-G.

Are you twisting my wish to lynch Sig into defending JJJ?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:11 pm And sig isn’t even voting jay but he’s still leading, jfc

I don’t understand the way you guys play mafia sometimes

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:51 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:49 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:47 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:23 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:13 pm @juliets what is the case against JJJ?

Some disagree with his interactive analyses and his reads, he did not vote for Mac but instead voted for two people on the other team, he has not been mega civ like he normally is, and there are probably some other reasons that I'm not remembering.

I disagree with the scuminess of the analyses, he made them in the game where I lost in f3 because I followed his read and ignored my "what if he's wrong" inner voice. He was wrong but he was villager.

I dislike his wagon today, isn't Sig outed wolf?

Yes he is.

Then anyone who is on JJJ are ignoring this?

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:47 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:23 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:13 pm @juliets what is the case against JJJ?

Some disagree with his interactive analyses and his reads, he did not vote for Mac but instead voted for two people on the other team, he has not been mega civ like he normally is, and there are probably some other reasons that I'm not remembering.

I disagree with the scuminess of the analyses, he made them in the game where I lost in f3 because I followed his read and ignored my "what if he's wrong" inner voice. He was wrong but he was villager.

I dislike his wagon today, isn't Sig outed wolf?

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:05 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:07 am Of the six Jay voters, Tony, Dom, Epi, Tranq, TH and myself, I only see the potential for two of them to even be baddies.

Of the six Sig voters, Ted, Michelle, Speed, Nanook, Sloonei and Juliets, I have mixed feelings about all of them.

i wish some details about the Sig wagon please

Dig into it. I’m not certain of anything but that voting Sig over Mac D3 would be really tempting for Mac’s team.

D3 I voted for Mac. I don't inderstand, do you mix the 2 wagons, from today and day 3?

Who lynched Sprityo? Do you have the poll?

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:07 am Of the six Jay voters, Tony, Dom, Epi, Tranq, TH and myself, I only see the potential for two of them to even be baddies.

Of the six Sig voters, Ted, Michelle, Speed, Nanook, Sloonei and Juliets, I have mixed feelings about all of them.

i wish some details about the Sig wagon please

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:46 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:15 am Looking at the sig wagon, aside from Colin I could see speedchuck as a possible addition. My town lean on him is stemming more from his sprityo post in our other thread than his entire ISO. I'll take a look at his ISO but I think that will probably be tomorrow unless someone see's this as urgent.

If speedchuck is scum he’s a lot more comfortable open wolfing than most people are, so I’m going to keep playing the odds and say he’s town.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:34 pm Also i'm back.. going to check that Iso I promised to do

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:13 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:59 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:07 am Of the six Jay voters, Tony, Dom, Epi, Tranq, TH and myself, I only see the potential for two of them to even be baddies.

Of the six Sig voters, Ted, Michelle, Speed, Nanook, Sloonei and Juliets, I have mixed feelings about all of them.

Is it two of the T's? Which ones?

As for the wagons themselves... I'm okay with lynching Jay, but not lynching sig seems really weird.

Tranq and TH.

Can you give us a rainbow or proposed players for each team? I’m picking up your opinions on specific issues but not where you’re at overall.

speedchuck

Dom
Jackofhearts2005
G-Man
Epignosis
juliets

Dragomir
ColinIsCool
Sloonei
TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

Michelle

Turnip Head
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

sig

Something like that. It's difficult, since there are two teams, and there are multiple players in there I don't recall reading any posts from. Lots of players in this game. Proposed players for each team would be harder still.
I think my individual takes are probably more useful.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:59 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:07 am Of the six Jay voters, Tony, Dom, Epi, Tranq, TH and myself, I only see the potential for two of them to even be baddies.

Of the six Sig voters, Ted, Michelle, Speed, Nanook, Sloonei and Juliets, I have mixed feelings about all of them.

Is it two of the T's? Which ones?

As for the wagons themselves... I'm okay with lynching Jay, but not lynching sig seems really weird.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:57 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:20 pm Something comes to mind. In a world where people want to save Mac, the Day 2 lynch is the more interesting one. Mac led by at least three votes late before he was overtaken by a quick Radish push. I’ll look at it later.

That came to mind?

Nobody wanted to save Mac. Mac was doomed.

Interestingly, this has been JJJ's point.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:20 am The argument is paranoid. There is a either widely townread or “writing a masters thesis” heavy hitter on the scum team. There has to be. Why? It feels like there has to be.

I agree that it feels like there has to be.
I think it’s Sloonei, not Jay, but that’s not the point.
I don’t think it’s rational by any means.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:44 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:30 pm I have been keeping an eye on the thread though and have a few general comments.

I get skepticism, but Jack's suggestion that one of myself, Jay, or juliets must be bad feels arbitrary. I'm not totally willing to write them off as suspects, but I have no urgent reason to regard them as suspects and can easily envision a world where they're both town.

The case against ted is the most intriguing new development I've seen today. The Jay case is paranoia bullshit at the moment as far as I can tell. I'm not sure why nanook has votes, but one of them is from sig which is goofy.

RIP Ghosts

You can disagree but saying it’s arbitrary is uh....not good

I mean, why pick those three names?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:37 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:31 pm alright tony changes his vote off of nanook as soon as i mention it. sig is now the only one voting nanook. goofy.

Nanook probably AM and Sig along for the memes

What evidence is there for nanook as the anti-monitor?

Mac said so. He has no reason to lie. High compatibility when most of the field has been cleared.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:03 pm Instead of A) helping lynch Mac or B) voting on the counterwagon from which all these accusations are sure to spring, Turnip Head placed a meaningless vote for Jack on Day 3.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:04 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:03 pm I know bussing is a thing. Sig’s wagon is just the fucking easier juiciest excuse to not bus I have ever seen and sooo many players were “simply uninterested” in the Mac case.

You're doing that thing you do where everything has to be optimal and make sense to you

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:00 pm Jack, I'm fairly sure you're wrong about juliets.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:57 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:56 pm I’m best wolf and I’d always have voted Sig exactly like you and Juliets did. Unless I had distanced a bunch from Mac, in which case, I’d do it like Sloonei did.

I don't care what you think you'd do. You're not on that list. You're not those people. You're irrelevant.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:53 pm Day 3 sig wagon relative to Mac team connection:

ColinIsCool - could be
S~V~S - confirmed nope
Sloonei - doubt it
Dom - strongly doubt it
speedchuck - could be
nutella - confirmed nope
JJJ - confirmed nope
juliets - strongly doubt it

Insanity.

Experience.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:53 pm Day 3 sig wagon relative to Mac team connection:

ColinIsCool - could be
S~V~S - confirmed nope
Sloonei - doubt it
Dom - strongly doubt it
speedchuck - could be
nutella - confirmed nope
JJJ - confirmed nope
juliets - strongly doubt it

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:37 pm I think the only person I can totally and completely clear is @Dom . He suspected both Mac and sig and I can't read that blue color on the vote pictures but I think he voted Mac and then sig. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I have some other people I think are civ but it's hard to totally clear anyone of being bad without info.

In my "I think they are town but can't completely clear them" would be @JaggedJimmyJay, @Sloonei, @Jackofhearts2005. Jay and Sloonei have done a lot of analysis work and Jay in particular I find myself shaking my head "yes" at a lot of his posts (I wanted to try and pull some out tonight.) Jackofhearts because his turnaround on nutella had good progression and he's been a thread driver and I didn't notice bad Jack doing that in Inception. All three of these have just voted on one side of the aisle which is why I don't feel like I can clear them.

Then there are people that I lean town on for something they've done recently and that would be @speedchuck and @Michelle.

I pointed out earlier that speed made that offhand comment in our dream thread saying "why are the lynching sig - I wish I could be there" (paraphrase). It was a throw away comment but I when I back here and saw sprityo's flip it was the first thing I thought about. It seemed genuine in response to Saito's info. He voted Mac Day 2 and sig Day 3.

Michelle really showed her feisty, poking, prodding civ behavior when we were at the dream level, even if it was aimed at me. Prior to that I had suspicions about her. I hope to see more of that Michelle now that we're back in the big thread to confirm my feeling about her. She voted for Turnip Day 2 and Mac Day 3 so chances are if she's bad she's on the Radish-sig-sabie team.

I'm going to go ahead and post this even though it doesn't talk about everyone because I'm so slow. I have a number of people in my "still sorting" pile.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:33 pm If God loved us, he'd have struck down anybody who came up with DST. I'm here. I'm almost current.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:55 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:30 pm I need more from everyone who wasn’t on this thread yesterday.

What do you need Jack? I will eat dinner first but tell me what you are looking for.

All the reads. All the world building. Who do you view as clear of being on each mafia?

I've never been sure what world building means (sounds like maybe a gamer term) but I'll walk through what I'm thinking about people after dinner.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:30 pm I need more from everyone who wasn’t on this thread yesterday.

What do you need Jack? I will eat dinner first but tell me what you are looking for.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:31 pm Like voting Sig and dipping, not being around cause game mechanics and then voting Sig and dipping as a fucking whole is making it harder to read that crowd.

So were you and I in the main thread? I don't get it, can we see the other thread? Was it merged in?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:28 pm Announcement: We're cancelling Ghosts. It's an idea that has changed drastically from its first conception, and we believe it is having a negative effect on the game.

Pariah's ghost gets to stay.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:30 pm Anyone that tries to kill non-sig today and isn’t on his team is playing disgustingly bad, fwiw