The Syndicate

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Okay so...why did you think LC was bad then?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:28 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:17 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:49 pm @dunya it was in fact crossover, where Jack was mafia.

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colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:29 pm Voting Jack for aforementioned reasons, plus he's responded to lots of other folks but not my posts about him. Avoiding the subject?

Dizzy, I've got to run, but I'll come back to address your post about me.

Sorry. I was too busy catching opposing baddies LC, Epi, Dizzy and Silver to deal with you.
I was Indy.

This may have come up before but I use words like "scum" and "baddie" to refer to any role that needs to prevent the town from winning in order to win.

Broadly speaking, a LMS or cult rolecard elicits different play style from a survivor or side chooser. The former will more or less want mislynched or opposing scum lynches, same as mafia. The later will fence sit or blend and then try to help their chosen team or pursue an unrelated win condition. (Endgame survivors are baddies if they are good at Gane theory and not emotionally invested in winning with the town but that's a rant for another time.)

Epi could raise his hand and say he wasn't a baddie when I initially went after him but you always were in my book.

Scratch that. I think I'm holding that ISO upside down. Stand by.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:17 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:49 pm @dunya it was in fact crossover, where Jack was mafia.

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colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:29 pm Voting Jack for aforementioned reasons, plus he's responded to lots of other folks but not my posts about him. Avoiding the subject?

Dizzy, I've got to run, but I'll come back to address your post about me.

Sorry. I was too busy catching opposing baddies LC, Epi, Dizzy and Silver to deal with you.

Also, you accused me of ignoring your questions in that game prior to actually asking me any questions.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 6&sr=posts

You bad or tunneling?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:10 pm If Jack is bad, then he has slipped twice.

Boy howdy I must be good then.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:50 pm
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:47 pm http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... ch#p383906

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:32 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:59 am If Long Con is a civilian, then is most likely means he is genuine in his suspicion of me.

If his suspicion is genuine, then his accusation that I am being deliberate and calculating in my dealings thus far should be one that he can logically explain.
Already done, but you want more words?

In other words, if I know what I'm doing (i.e., being deliberate in "setting up a long game"), and Long Con is calling me out on that, then he should be able to explain how my actions in the thread so far will benefit my team and me down the road. What is the long game and how am I expecting it to play out?
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.

If he can't answer that, then his suspicion isn't genuine, and he's trying to get a quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way.
Let's get this quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way, folks!
Point LC.

Epi is perhaps the best dancer on the site. There is nothing "quick and easy" about trying to mislynch him on Day 1. This feels like trying to scare away votes, not a legit attempt to scumhunt, which is exactly what Epi is already accused of doing with Sloonei.

Combined with suspicious nonlynchcandidate declarations, I think this is worthy of a vote.

PS: What is my tell?
can someone explain this post, I don't really understand. Was Jack agreeing with LC or Epi? It seems very strangely worded. He uses "mislynch", when lynching Epi would be ---- lynching him --- until the mod revealed what his alliance was. If he was saying Epi is worthy of a vote, why would he call it a "mislynch"? Am I missing something? Maybe lost in translation?
please explain "mislynch" use here. I've asked several times. Why did you choose to use the word "mislynch" when referencing Epi's lynching.

don't you find it rather odd you used "mislynch" in this context. The word wouldn't be in our heads unless a: we were epi or b: we were scum.

I've got snow boots on, okay?

I never slip.

CBob, you ever see me slip?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:50 pm
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:47 pm http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... ch#p383906

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:32 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:59 am If Long Con is a civilian, then is most likely means he is genuine in his suspicion of me.

If his suspicion is genuine, then his accusation that I am being deliberate and calculating in my dealings thus far should be one that he can logically explain.
Already done, but you want more words?

In other words, if I know what I'm doing (i.e., being deliberate in "setting up a long game"), and Long Con is calling me out on that, then he should be able to explain how my actions in the thread so far will benefit my team and me down the road. What is the long game and how am I expecting it to play out?
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.

If he can't answer that, then his suspicion isn't genuine, and he's trying to get a quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way.
Let's get this quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way, folks!
Point LC.

Epi is perhaps the best dancer on the site. There is nothing "quick and easy" about trying to mislynch him on Day 1. This feels like trying to scare away votes, not a legit attempt to scumhunt, which is exactly what Epi is already accused of doing with Sloonei.

Combined with suspicious nonlynchcandidate declarations, I think this is worthy of a vote.

PS: What is my tell?
can someone explain this post, I don't really understand. Was Jack agreeing with LC or Epi? It seems very strangely worded. He uses "mislynch", when lynching Epi would be ---- lynching him --- until the mod revealed what his alliance was. If he was saying Epi is worthy of a vote, why would he call it a "mislynch"? Am I missing something? Maybe lost in translation?
please explain "mislynch" use here. I've asked several times. Why did you choose to use the word "mislynch" when referencing Epi's lynching.

don't you find it rather odd you used "mislynch" in this context. The word wouldn't be in our heads unless a: we were epi or b: we were scum.

I've got snow boots on, okay?

I never slip.

CBob, you ever see me slip?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:49 pm @dunya it was in fact crossover, where Jack was mafia.

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colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:29 pm Voting Jack for aforementioned reasons, plus he's responded to lots of other folks but not my posts about him. Avoiding the subject?

Dizzy, I've got to run, but I'll come back to address your post about me.

Sorry. I was too busy catching opposing baddies LC, Epi, Dizzy and Silver to deal with you.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:29 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:48 am I could maybe townread DDL, assume an inactive baddie with Dunya and maybe Speed (maybe Bob, maybe Epi).
Doesn't this go against everything you preach, though?

Or here, let me try something.

I've seen this arguement before and while it isn't necessarily wrong, I hate it.

It's essentially "an inactive user must be scum, because why not?"

I have seen you mention my name a couple times now, if not more, and I think with all the posts I have contributed this last day I am allowed to expect some sort of basis for your scum read of me please.
first post you ignored

I like this accusation.

More like "I have enough town reads and there are enough inactive players that I don't need to have exactly 4 baddies picked out and I can move one of my four gth baddie reads without worrying I've necessarily been pocketed."

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... ch#p383906

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:32 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:59 am If Long Con is a civilian, then is most likely means he is genuine in his suspicion of me.

If his suspicion is genuine, then his accusation that I am being deliberate and calculating in my dealings thus far should be one that he can logically explain.
Already done, but you want more words?

In other words, if I know what I'm doing (i.e., being deliberate in "setting up a long game"), and Long Con is calling me out on that, then he should be able to explain how my actions in the thread so far will benefit my team and me down the road. What is the long game and how am I expecting it to play out?
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.

If he can't answer that, then his suspicion isn't genuine, and he's trying to get a quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way.
Let's get this quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way, folks!
Point LC.

Epi is perhaps the best dancer on the site. There is nothing "quick and easy" about trying to mislynch him on Day 1. This feels like trying to scare away votes, not a legit attempt to scumhunt, which is exactly what Epi is already accused of doing with Sloonei.

Combined with suspicious nonlynchcandidate declarations, I think this is worthy of a vote.

PS: What is my tell?
can someone explain this post, I don't really understand. Was Jack agreeing with LC or Epi? It seems very strangely worded. He uses "mislynch", when lynching Epi would be ---- lynching him --- until the mod revealed what his alliance was. If he was saying Epi is worthy of a vote, why would he call it a "mislynch"? Am I missing something? Maybe lost in translation?
please explain "mislynch" use here. I've asked several times. Why did you choose to use the word "mislynch" when referencing Epi's lynching.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:30 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:06 pm One thought I've just had: Jack is uber fucking annoying in this game. He keeps talking about me. All the time. Over and over. Flip-flopping, listing reasons why he thinks I'm bad yet not being sure of them, etc.

He is so obssessed with me it's making me read him as a civ. Because I think a baddie would have either succesfully lynched me or stopped caring. He keeps caring. He cares so hard I think he is legit.
Jack's done the same thing on me. I read this as much more scummy than townie.

Whatever, Nightblue.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:27 pm To Jack:

My work browser is now blocking the full editor page.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... f=28&t=726

I think that was it.

Thanks. Two years.

I don't think I've ever been lynched on Day 1. I've seen it happen or almost to Doc and Sprityo several times and I've only been here a year.

I think your conclusion that Day 1 lynches are a crapshoot and anyone can be lynched on Day 1 is incorrect. I stand by my statement that you would be a difficult mislynch target and that this causes your LC accusation to not feel genuine.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:17 pm Jack ignores my posts, puts a vote on me after I voted him and disappears.

Come on Jack, if you're town, you can do better than that.

What posts am I ignoring?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:27 pm I am placing a tentative vote on Jack for now. There are too many inconsistencies, too many loose ends, a few unanswered questions, strange wordings (mislynch instead of lynch re: Epi, really bugged me) so for now, he remains my strongest scum read which is disappointing to me in another way because his activity levels are actually much higher and more spontaneous than he was as a replacement in the Pirates game where he was scum, so he doesn't fall under the same meta.

I haven't finished catching up yet (I'm on pg 25 out of 40 so I have 15 pages more to go). It's still very early. Let's see how I feel a little later.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:26 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:34 pm
I told you I wasn't going to explain things to you that you already know.
You have a terrible habit of assuming your interpretation of a sentence or phrase is gospel.

Anyone is an easy lynch Day 1. That's because many people take the mindset that Day 1 is a crapshoot, and that the real utility of Day 1 is the acquisition of information. Any lynch will provide that.

You are taking my "easy lynch" comment to mean that I am referring to Epignosis being a an easy lynch, which is your mistake. If Day 1 is a guessing game, then lazily piling up votes on me is an easy thing to do. Saying I meant that I am an easy lynch in general is your mistake. When people pile up votes on anyone for stupid reasons (or no reason at all), it makes for a quick and easy lynch. Anybody could be that.

When's the last time you were lynched on Day 1?

Sloonei, those were the players we disagreed on where I was mostly confident in my reads. (Including my nonread of Mesk)

We disagreed on Epi and Bob but those were two of my tougher townreads so I could get someone scumreading them.

[mention]DrWilgy[/mention]

I know I'm town. You seem quite focused on me as your only hot scumread. Therefore, I don't see you going after any baddies.

Additionally, I am used to you being supatown (in calling out baddies) and/or getting yourself lynched early. I don't see either of those things. I don't remember what bad Wilgy looks like if I've met him but you don't look like good Wilgy to me atm.

There's also all the recent unsubstantiated town reads on you. Easy for baddies to try to keep that "Wilgy is town amiright?" momentum going if you're bad.

[mention]Marmot[/mention]

Mesk has not posted in 6 days. Dom has not posted in 9. Glornamehere has not posted at all.

The front page lists two replacement players.

Can we sub Bird and Mal in for two of these slots?

I don't really remember Sloonei's case on Bob except that it was convincing at the time.

I could maybe townread DDL, assume an inactive baddie with Dunya and maybe Speed (maybe Bob, maybe Epi).

Initial vultures comment was made much earlier than I remember. Nutella had made only one post at the time, something to the tune of "I agree with Sloonei (who was considering LC's case on Epi)." Reducing Sloonei posts to pre-vulture comment also colors Sloonei's general figure 8 around the thread as a circle around Epi. It also reduces LC's mostly full court press to one initial push.

Revising my thoughts to be: The vultures comment was okay and consistent with DDL's later vote for Sloonei. I don't like that it took being asked several times for DDL to answer who he was talking about. Gives room for revisionist reads. I also don't like Eloh agreeing with it and then revising her statement to be not actually agreeing with it.

Still. Not nearly as damning as previously thought.

I can see an arguement to be made for Sloonei circling Epi. Indeed, DDL accused Epi of fence sitting and voted for him on D1.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:36 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:29 am There is nothing circular about the Epi case. The "circular" rebuttal is fake, and it makes me suspicious to see it called real.
Let's say, JaggedJimmyJay made a Crowded House reference in the thread Day 0, and you spotted it and called it out. Then he was like, you're cool LC, I'm not lynching you today.

Would you read that as scum JJJ immediately?

Are you not willing to admit a little bias and aggression in how hard you went after Epi for slightly mundane reasons? Didn't you feel you did better scum hunting when you didn't focus all posts on him?

A "weak" case is not the same as a "circular" case.

Epi called the case on him "circular," which is false.

Since you agree with Epi, can you explain how the logic is circular?

Linki:

Now that you mention it, DDL stating that "Nutella" was one of the vultures is almost as bad of an answer to the question as "LC."

Nutella was accused of defending Epi and only stated things like "I would be okay with lynching Epi" in response to accusations of them being buddies. She was otherwise almost entirely focused on lynching Jack and self preservation.

Here's the relevant portion of Nutella's Day 1. I don't see how one could get "Nutella is a vulture circling Epi and hoping to mislynch him" from this. This further cements my opinion that the "vultures" comment was dishonest.

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nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:47 pm okay this has turned into nonsensical arguments that are getting us nowhere. remind me to never again sign up for a game with both Epi and LC because it just always turns into this and we never make progress

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:57 pm I'm voting for Jack ok gg

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:40 pm lol jack if you think me being lazy is a scumtell you haven't played with me enough. you were spoiled in phenon, that was one of my best civ performances. I am normally lazy af and flipflopping all over the place, anyone can tell you that. I'm trying to change up my style anyway so it's less obvious, and have decided to go with a fast-and-loose, whatever-I-feel-like-saying style this game, and I've decided you're bad so I'm voting for you and I decided not to get deeply involved in discussion because, yeah, I'm lazy, deal with it

linki: wait you think I'm epi's scumbuddy? lol what? I very nearly voted for him first. I'm fine with him being lynched.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:43 pm huh didn't realize LC was getting so many votes. I'll change to Epi then because nobody agrees with me about Jack and I'd much rather Epi get lynched than LC. Though I'm not discounting the possibility that LC is bad either

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:51 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:46 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:44 pm I'll join nutella in her Jack vote for his scumslip.
wait what? is it him saying "a few good townies" or something else that I'm missing
When I asked him how his post was a scum tell, he said "I don't know" instead of "It's not a scumtell, and cannot be because I'm a Civ."
ah see I didn't entirely follow that thread since y'all kept screwing up the quotes. but I agree with your initial assessment of his sprityo prodding-- that was part of what made me decide he's bad.

vote returning to jack

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:41 am
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:31 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:24 am Let's at least make this a tie k
Can you respond to some of the things I've said about you?
ok, for one thing, I did feel at the time that the epi/LC thing was not getting us anywhere because we have no real basis for suspecting the alignment of either one of them; I suppose it did at least contribute to generating day 1 discussion but I am personally sick of their ongoing feud because it always feels the same and drags on forever.

I suspect Jack for mainly gut reasons, but I can point to his weird prod of sprityo/asking for impressions on his alignment at the very beginning of the game, as well as his confident yet misguided interpretation of my meta, plus his back-and-forth with LC that LC called out as a soft slip, plus his odd assessment of Epi and the post where he analyzes nonexistent connections between me and Epi (and makes another softslip in "a few good townies voting for epi"

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:03 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:59 am @nutella got any legacy reads? It appears you're on the way out.
Jack, Quin, and Kyle are my scum reads. And all pretty good scrabble words. Most likely not all three of them are bad, and one or two of the inactives are, but those are where I'd start.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:01 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:26 pm I hate this argument about ties.

One of Kyle and Jack is bad.

Calling it now.
Sloonei pressures him for some "names" on who is giving him bad vibes and this is DDL's response

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:34 pm sloonei
nutella
LC

There, just looked at the thread and listed the people.

Now imma go back to catch up.
Yeah. I mean DDL has been around for a while. He's an old soul and an old player. A scum DDL would have put in a tad more effort into at least aligning his stories. I understand he's part of the Hydra game on MU too that's started now. I've played Pirates mafia with him, and I read him as town there, despite lurking theories, and I label him as town here for the same reasons. Nothing seems off-meta for his most current town play. He's not on my scum list atm.

I've seen this arguement before and while it isn't necessarily wrong, I hate it.

It's essentially "DDL doesn't make sense and if he is bad, he'd probably try harder to make sense."

That's perhaps true but promotes the idea that townies don't need to try to make sense, which by extension means scum doesn't have to either....which eliminates the initial premise of your statement, that scum would try harder to make sense.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:44 am I'm sorry, and maybe it's my atrocious English, but I have a hard time understanding Jack in this game.

I feel like a lot of his nitty gritty posts are worded awkwardly and there's a lot of beating around the bushes.

"What about the bits regarding bad handwaives of noncircular reasoning as circular reasoning and junk about...."

like what is this even

LC: Epi is bad because "blah blah blah."
Epi: I am dismissing (ie handwaiving) LC's case against me because "blah blah blah" is circular reasoning.
Jack: No, it isn't circular reasoning (ie noncircular reasoning). Whoever I was talking to about Epi, what do you think about Epi dismissing LC's arguement as "circular" when it is clearly not a circular arguement?

Does that make more sense?

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention]

Share?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:00 am Why did you ask, jack?

Tinfoiling/baselining.

[mention]Long Con[/mention]

Do you think this last post is a slip? Serious question.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:23 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:21 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:15 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:14 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:11 am @Quin what do you think of sprityo?
GTH bad. I haven't got time to go much deeper than that on him today though.
Will you trust me and vote for him?
Not off of this post alone.
why am i bad?

How did you forget the actual trend was "Jimmy names the most civilians"?

Jimmy, Idk if you have a big enough sample size but I would love to know player trends.

Like if Daisy always scumreads more people than average, the "scum sometimes scumread a lot" thing doesn't hold. If she usually townreads a lot of people but scumread more on average when she was bad, it becomes a more convincing thing.

Cause really you got three things factoring in.

1) Alignment tendency ie "Baddies tend to gth a bunch of bad reads"
2) Player tendency ie "Daisy tends to gth a bunch of bad reads"
3) How good of a handle the player has on this specific game ie "Daisy is being a bit paranoid this game and has extra bad reads"

So controlling for the third one is hard. Is controlling for the second possible?

Obviously, I'm looking to bus my buddies Speedchuck and Dunya so let's get on with that.

(Jimmy's back with graphs I hope)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:12 am The nonchalantness makes me feel Speed [gogigadgetitalics]isn't[/italics] solving. So...I don't get that BIT OF your read.

EBWOP.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:11 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:07 am *about.

(Speedchuck is my aunt the way DDL is Kyle's dad.)
How many times will I have to say this? DDL is my actual real life dad in real life.

He's thirty seven. He's not old.

The nonchalantness makes me feel Speed [gogigadgetitalics]isn't[/italics] solving. So...I don't get that but if your read.

*about.

(Speedchuck is my aunt the way DDL is Kyle's dad.)

Tell me more aunt Speedchuck solving.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:29 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:00 pm At this stage i'll need to be convinced that colonialbob is town in order for me not to vote for him. Anyone got an argument?
There are too many suspicious players for Bob to be bad. Also, even when I disagree with him, I can kinda see where he's coming from.
Why the change?

You elaborated more on your scumread of me since the last time I evaluated you. Said new things about Sloonei, too. Dunya, Speed, Wilgy look worse in my eyes.

Also, I keep forgetting there are 4 baddies and not 3 so I POEd you out of being likely scum.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:29 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:13 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:41 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:52 pm I think you're overthinking the dancing metaphor, Doctor.

Point being, Epi is not an easy lynch, regardless of alignment and that should be taken into account when reading D1.
But why should that be taken to account? If it's non-alignment indicative what's the purpose other than to put a negative characteristic on someone?
Taken by itself, Epi's ability to avoid lynch is aside from his alignment.

It is also key to why I think Epi's accusations aimed at LC on D1 ring false and the falseness of things Epi says are very important to determining his (or anyone's) alignment.

I'm really not sure why this is such a sticking point. Seems obvious to me.
So taken with it (Which I'm assuming is context) is epi's ability to dodge lynch alignment determining? How does that make sense? Am I missing something here?

It's a sticking point because it doesn't make sense. Why mention it doesn't determine alignment when it does determine alignment to you? If the context is what determined alignment why bring up?
LC says "I think you are bad."
Epi says "Bah. I am good and you are bad trying to get an easy lynch!"

The underlined bit reads false because Epi is not easy to lynch. Epi knows this so that statement comes across as dishonest. Lynch all liars. Therefore, this makes Epi look scummy.

Dancing skill alone doesn't determine alignment. It determines how genuine the underlined/bolded statement from Epi is. Genuineness is generally a town tell and the opposite generally a scumtell.

Alternative example:
Epi says "I am the cop."
LC says "There is no cop based on the setup on the front page."
Jack says "Epi is probably scum."
Wilgy says "What? How is claiming cop scummy? Do you think cops are scum?"
Why am I not an easy lynch?

I told you I wasn't going to explain things to you that you already know.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:00 pm At this stage i'll need to be convinced that colonialbob is town in order for me not to vote for him. Anyone got an argument?
There are too many suspicious players for Bob to be bad. Also, even when I disagree with him, I can kinda see where he's coming from.
I feel the opposite. There aren't enough genuinely suspicious players, so he occupies my top spot without much real competition. There are a lot of difficult-to-read players, however, and that is complicating matters.

Pff. You and Bob are the most difficult to read players for me period, let alone in this game. (I tell myself I know how to read you now but idk if that's true.)

Tell me about your Wilgy, DDL, Mesk and Speed reads.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:08 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:00 pm At this stage i'll need to be convinced that colonialbob is town in order for me not to vote for him. Anyone got an argument?
There are too many suspicious players for Bob to be bad. Also, even when I disagree with him, I can kinda see where he's coming from.
Where is he coming from?

I find his pushes on me and Sloonei to be genuine sounding. I'm not going to vote for me or Sloonei but I don't scumread Bob for those posts.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:41 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:52 pm I think you're overthinking the dancing metaphor, Doctor.

Point being, Epi is not an easy lynch, regardless of alignment and that should be taken into account when reading D1.
But why should that be taken to account? If it's non-alignment indicative what's the purpose other than to put a negative characteristic on someone?
Taken by itself, Epi's ability to avoid lynch is aside from his alignment.

It is also key to why I think Epi's accusations aimed at LC on D1 ring false and the falseness of things Epi says are very important to determining his (or anyone's) alignment.

I'm really not sure why this is such a sticking point. Seems obvious to me.
So taken with it (Which I'm assuming is context) is epi's ability to dodge lynch alignment determining? How does that make sense? Am I missing something here?

It's a sticking point because it doesn't make sense. Why mention it doesn't determine alignment when it does determine alignment to you? If the context is what determined alignment why bring up?

LC says "I think you are bad."
Epi says "Bah. I am good and you are bad trying to get an easy lynch!"

The underlined bit reads false because Epi is not easy to lynch. Epi knows this so that statement comes across as dishonest. Lynch all liars. Therefore, this makes Epi look scummy.

Dancing skill alone doesn't determine alignment. It determines how genuine the underlined/bolded statement from Epi is. Genuineness is generally a town tell and the opposite generally a scumtell.

Alternative example:
Epi says "I am the cop."
LC says "There is no cop based on the setup on the front page."
Jack says "Epi is probably scum."
Wilgy says "What? How is claiming cop scummy? Do you think cops are scum?"

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:00 pm At this stage i'll need to be convinced that colonialbob is town in order for me not to vote for him. Anyone got an argument?

There are too many suspicious players for Bob to be bad. Also, even when I disagree with him, I can kinda see where he's coming from.

Penny for your thoughts, Doc?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:17 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:51 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:47 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:10 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:05 am @Long Con Lost Again 3 comes to mind. But whatever man. I don't feel the need to prove I can play a good scum game. Especially given the fact that I am not scum in this game.
That's exactly what Scumdaisy would say.
Since DrWilgy is here (hi! *wave)
Can you please elaborate more on this specifically as I have a mixed read on Daisy so far. I have never played with ScumDaisy before.
Nothing. I'm terrible at reading Daisy.
Um...this post screams scum, wilgy.

Still reading...

Oh?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:11 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:06 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:43 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:40 pm Totally judging you all on your GTH reads of me
So like, one person townreads you. How does that make you feel?

Like I clearly need to play more games, firmly establish my meta.
Or maybe it's their fault. Thus the judging.
Felt like I had a fucking lock on you in Phenom. Same for DDL in my first game with him.

Now you gut feel like Bob, who I can't read for shit and I feel like I don't know DDL at all.

Still think you're both bad but idk what happened to either of ya'lls metas.
I'd say Phenon was a typical baddie game for me, even though I was 3P. Night vale too. Pirates I was a little distracted.

But hey, if you read me bad in Phenon, you're good on that.

I read you as "not mafia, probably 3p" in Phenon.

I don't remember you in Nitevale. I was pretty sure you were bad in Pirates.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:39 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:38 pm (inb4 Epi "you are. I know exactly where I'm shooting")
I read this as a sexual joke.

I was about to respond, "I'm shooting in the dark too."

I am twelve years old and what is this?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:43 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:40 pm Totally judging you all on your GTH reads of me
So like, one person townreads you. How does that make you feel?

Like I clearly need to play more games, firmly establish my meta.
Or maybe it's their fault. Thus the judging.

Felt like I had a fucking lock on you in Phenom. Same for DDL in my first game with him.

Now you gut feel like Bob, who I can't read for shit and I feel like I don't know DDL at all.

Still think you're both bad but idk what happened to either of ya'lls metas.

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