The Syndicate

LC also refused to self preserve against Roxy and Nanook and they refused to self preserve against him as well.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:11 am I might legit self vote if it saves Wilgy at EoD

LC and Wilgy refused to self preserve against each other yesterday. I think they may be partners.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:23 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:54 pm The reaction to the claim, especially the meta analysis on Abi I just think SVS actually believed.
Well yeah, there's zero reason for her to do that bad. Is there an issue with that?

I don't want to vote Wilgy, and I would prefer not to vote Roxy until I hear she's back in the saddle. Even if the game mod hadn't announced her problem, i don't believe Roxy is one to lean on irl to get out of a bad spot in games. So Roxy is off the table for me.

I'll do a more in depth thing, but i still think Jack and LC could have been associated.

I am reading LC, and am a bit confused about his time line.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:16 pm Surprised to see three votes on Jack right now, making him the leading wagon. Didn't realize he had picked up that kind of steam, especially now when he's looking better than ever.
"Better than ever?" that's an odd thing to say.

LC at 3:16, then he made a "busy bbl" later post like a minute later.

Next post is his vote post at 5:59:25, less than a minute to EOD. At that time, I had 2 votes, Roxy and Jack. Jack had two votes, Abigail and Wilgy. LC had 4 votes. So no vote he made could have been self pres. Had I not moved my vote from Jack, that might have been self pres.

At 5:59:36 Jack moved his vote from me to vanity. Not sure if moving to LC at that point would have been a good look since LC was already dead, basically, with 30 seconds left in day, and Thunal making a fairly big effort to point out how I likely wasn't bad, he didn't want to end up on me with the dead baddie when it was all over.

This feels a wee bit like a chatroom panic to me. I am not sure that that association I felt I saw with LC and Jack when I was reading Jack isn't actually there.

So imma reverse myself and [VOTE: Jack] aubergine again.

I'll read more tonight, and try to point out where I see the associations.

Moving off you and onto Wilgy (or LC, if I had voted there) both prevent a buzzer vote on you from tying with the LC wagon.

If you wanna be like “Jack bussed his wolf partner, LC, in the end” fine. But like you said, LC didn’t have a real opportunity to self preserve onto me because you were the counterwagon, not me, and while I didn’t technically “self preserve” against LC (cause I wasn’t the counterwagon), my vote was against LC at eod.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:14 pm Please save me.

The Astros are down 2 games and I've had Gwen Stefani stuck in my head for the past 48 hours

Let’s go Rangers!

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:25 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:22 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:20 pm I also think now is not the time to tinfoil Abi and she's said some borderline clearing things during her fight with leetic.
At least someone gets it

Honestly you should kill me today though
No. Rn I want to kill Wilgy today.

Yeah. Abby vs Pyxxy just looks like two townies fighting.

Wolves are in a box. Let’s throw the box into the river.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Idk if my voting record is actually being scrutinized but just to get it out there, the votes were at one point tied between Leetic (strong townread of mine with votes due to fake red) and myself at 3 votes each.

The case was made that LC and I had the worst reactions to the fake red. Okay. I isoed LC. His D1 looked fine (though the Pyxxy case kinda fell apart when I looked at Pyxxy closer) and I got the argument against LC but I wasn’t sold.

So in my head it’s like yeet Wilgy/Roxy/SVS > yeet LC > yeet Leetic ~= get yeeted. And for the last 45 min of the day or so, I voted in Wilgy and SVS and iirc Roxy while making it clear that I would self preserve against LC if it came to it.

Then, about 5 min from EOD, Thunal convinced me SVS (who i was voting) was likely town and at the same time, Delta and Epi voted LC.

This left the votes at
LC 4 votes (Leetic, Thunal, Delta, Epi)
SVS 3 votes (Roxy, LC, Jack)
Jack 2 votes (Abby, Wilgy)
Abby 1 vote (Pyxxy)
Leetic 1 vote (Nanook)

At this point, I decided I wanted LC dead over SVS. I was not concerned I would be yeeted. I didn’t actually have a scumread on LC.

So I voted Wilgy and said it was for posterity. This kills LC over SVS but records me as suspecting Wilgy over LC.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:18 pm I think LC spewed pyxxy town btw. Holding onto one statement of pyxxy's (the psy thing) and then latching onto my sus of it feels like he was struggling to find pyxxy scummy rather than having an abundance of scummy things pyxxy has done.

It comes from someone who has TMI pyxxy is town, not someone who has TMI pyxxy is mafia.

I want this to be true.

If it is, I’m at probably two wolves in Roxy/Wilgy/Nanook.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:16 pm I'd bet money on 2 in Epi Jack Roxy Pyxxy though

Decent chance of exactly 1 but you’re Wilgy/Nanook off too easy.

Like I’d take that bet if it was serious and not against the spirit of the game.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:15 pm PoE after my flip should be Pyxxy who's only after me cause I called him a wolf after my rescind for reasons both me and Leetic have talked about

Roxy which I've also talked about

Epi is the only possible busser

Jack cause weird EoD self pres shenanigans don't make sense

If that doesn't win than Nook and Wilgz has last wolf

Thunal Delta SVS are always town. I honestly just don't see Nook or Wilgz as wolf here.

What part needs clarifying? Or do you mean “LC should have voted Jack at eod?”

Didn’t I only have like 1 vote at eod?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:59 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:02 pm Long Con has been eliminated. They were a Beanless burrito: Mafia Roleblocker

It is now night phase 2. You have 24 hours before the day 3 starts.
Should've trusted myself more...

Meh whatever.

Actually…yeah. It’s real hard to tinfoil that as a wolf gambit when we’re talking about wolf Abby being like “LMAO gambit says we yeet my wolf partner or the unyeetable Jackofhearts. Vote Jack.”

I’m like 3/4ths joking but it does put LC in a shit spot and I don’t think a partner does that outta nowhere.

With probably a little less Abby tinfoil and a little more Pyxxy tinfoil and Roxy didn’t gain much towncred in my eyes but close enough.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:56 pm ALRIGHT brief rundown of EOD thoughts

pyxxy town, Jack town, Epi town, Thunal town (I wont tinfoil I promise (maybe))

Roxy probably also town?

Very torn on Abi right now, I feel like how she handled the check itself was townie but how she handled LC feels less so

& very worried about Nanook/Wilgy, SVS feels like more EOD nerves in hindsight

This is kinda an exact summary of my views of the game.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 5:59 pm Leetic has been killed. They were a Baked beans pizza: Vanilla Town

It is now Day 3. You have 48 hours, phase ends on 18/10/2023 11PM BST

Now we’ll never get a replacement

Voting Wilgy for posterity

That is kinda a townie post from SVS, isn’t it?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:55 pm Do not eliminate Abi, Leetic, Delta, Epi, SVS, or pyxxy.

I don’t believe SVS’s evaluation (or lack thereof) of my reaction to the fair red. Full stop.

It doesn’t look real. It doesn’t look like anything yet she’s really confident in her scumread because ???

Why is SVS town?

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:50 pm Enough people are willing to vote Wilgy that such a wagon could be viable

Idk. I sat there for like 20 min and nobody followed.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:55 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:49 am I played one game with LC in 2020 and he was caught as scum d2. Is he usually caught by people who know him well?
I had asked earlier; why do you think LCs reaction was worse than Jacks?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:56 am And no he isnt generally caught easily. He was prolly rusty that game.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:11 am Also, re your Roxy question @Thunal33 , I read Rox for tone and flow, and she, for the most part, had a good look for me that way. I haven't really read into her much.

Two posts stood out to me, but in retrospect I thought they were more of a good look for her than otherwise, although they didn't look that way to me initially. But since they both concerned me, I didn't put much thought into it since i know I dislike it when people make their suspicions about *them*, like how people interact with or talk about them. First, when i agreed with something Sean said about how both Scotty and Roxy said a similar thing regarding not voting for Delta. I agreed becasue I didn't think what they said was quite accurate, either. It turned into a nothing, since Scotty flipped town. But in her response to me, she said something along the lines of "get over it" directly to me, which took me aback a bit. It reminded me of what I did to her in Se7en, actually. Remember when she started getting a bit too astute, so i kinda snapped at her a bit, and she backed off? Like that. But, as I said, Scotty flipped town, so meh.

The other was when she said i was being quiet. That surprised me since I am not a high poster by any means, and only get loud when i think i have something to get loud about. But having a negative opinion of me doesn't make someone bad, especially someone I know well. I would expect her to be a bit more pockety with me, so in retrospect those looked like plusses for her to my eye.

I think she prolly had a rough start due to leetic getting right in her face as soon as she started posting, and then getting a bit bossy with her later. She got snappy back with him in a way I think she might have moderated if she were bad.

So she wasn't on my radar. I hope she was just being sarcastic.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:15 am K, I gotta get ready to go. I will try and pop in, I'm cool with my Jack vote.

None of this looks like a townie making a mistake.

It doesn’t look like SVS is considering my alignment much at all.

You can make the same argument for Abby so maybe this is a bad argument but still. Why is this town to ppl?

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:48 pm [VOTE: SVS] aubergine
Is this in any way influenced by Roxy's vote on SVS?

Yes in that 2 votes are better than 1. Roxy didn’t like convince me to suspect SVS.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:30 am
Delta wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:25 am The pirate game was an anon one, right?

Do you think there would be more of a reason to play differently since you can avoid meta reads that way? Or do you think LC would play as they normally do since it was anonymous anyway?

@S~V~S

Also are there any non-anon wolf games you can remember? I'll go check them out \o/
We haven't played together for 5 or more years. The last few years before i went on break he was hosting more than playing. So it's an old meta tell for me, and he could have moved past it.

Can you tell me why you think LC looks worse than Jack? I don't know that I follow the one in pyxxy/LC/Jack theory, since I can see some possible association between Jack and LC on Jacks part.

Why is SVS locked into a world where Jack and LC are our only options?

(Nobody look at the vote count)

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:56 am
Spoiler: show
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:50 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:48 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:42 pm @DrWilgy @Jackofhearts2005 Tagging since you are the two who haven't really shown up after the false redcheck. If either of you have bight actions that could have caused this to happen, you need to claim asap.
What exactly is being claimed?
A redcheck on me, if you have any night actions that might have influenced this please claim.
Who is claiming the red check on you?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:52 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:50 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:50 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:48 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:42 pm @DrWilgy @Jackofhearts2005 Tagging since you are the two who haven't really shown up after the false redcheck. If either of you have bight actions that could have caused this to happen, you need to claim asap.
What exactly is being claimed?
A redcheck on me, if you have any night actions that might have influenced this please claim.
Who is claiming the red check on you?
Abigail (who subbed in for Dizzy)
No. I didn’t do anything like redirecting Dizzy/Abigail or bus driving you.

That’s a really hard check to believe.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:53 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:50 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:49 pm Holy shit 7 votes on Leetic
And what about them? Pointing out I had a lot of votes but nit doing anything about it is something you did in your last scumgame with me, just sayin'
They’re surprising. But less so because there’s a claimed red check on you.

And noted. I’ll keep that in mind when trying to determine my own alignment.

I quoted several posts ^^, so i spoilered it.

I think Jacks reaction looks worse than LCs, he's being very cautious around it, although Jack bolsters LC a bit in his ISO as well. I know I must have seen bad Jack, but i don't recall offhand when.

I have seen tons of LC, though, and he has a certain tone when he's bad, or he used to have. I'm not seeing it at all, but he didn't have it in the Pirate sock game either, so I'm not going to rely on meta here.

At this point imma [VOTE: Jack] aubergine but am not married to it, I'll consider other options, and I hope Roxy returns to clarify her earlier post.

I see nothing here that indicates a townie having a legit incorrect read.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:45 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:31 pm I’m gonna get misyeeted while we have like 6 solo votes
Although I have a question of why you aren't self-presing here
Cause there’s 17 min to go and I don’t think LC is a wolf.

Also, I can self preserve at the buzzer but self preserving against a townie as a townie tends to get the other townie to vote for you, putting us in a worse spot.

That probably works for other alignments too but whatever.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:31 pm I’m gonna get misyeeted while we have like 6 solo votes
Although I have a question of why you aren't self-presing here

Cause there’s 17 min to go and I don’t think LC is a wolf.

Also, I can self preserve at the buzzer but self preserving against a townie as a townie tends to get the other townie to vote for you, putting us in a worse spot.

I don’t even understand the case against LC.

I’m gonna get misyeeted while we have like 6 solo votes

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:24 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:20 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:18 pm I skimmed the rest instead of replying in order to catch up

@Jackofhearts2005 you're tring Abi. Am I tinfoiling that Abigail is scum that faked a check, like am I completely off base because if yes I gotta go drive to the office and rethink things in the car
I think so, yes. Like there’s no reason for scum Abby to do that plus I tr Dizzy and Abby independent of the peek.
I guess I was already tinfoiling dizzy D1 and the "I just wanna make D2" comment and then during the fake check people were quick to go "oh sure that explains why Dizzy was so cagey before subbing out"

but idk man. how can there just be no cop here. is that the world's dumbest slip or something? but no mech comes to mind that would say "there's no cop in this setup" unless scum got more info than us

Abby can think there’s no cop in the setup but like whatever. Maybe. Maybe not.

I don’t think a cop that does exist CCs there.

It legit reads like

Abby: These players look good. These players including Jack look bad. Fancy play ftw lmao

SVS: Yes, you’re right. Jack looks bad. Here are some Hack posts. Vote Jack

Like one of those looks lolwrong and one of those looks scummy.

I just haven’t read the rest of SVS’s posts.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:21 pm after reading up it's clear I'm alone on this one so lemme stress test it and either stick or move

I think abi is setting up Jack and idk why Jack is so chill about it

If I’m being set up, I’m being set up by SVS just as much as by Abby and I don’t have those reasons to townread the SVS slot.

@Delta

Where’s your head at?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:18 pm I skimmed the rest instead of replying in order to catch up

@Jackofhearts2005 you're tring Abi. Am I tinfoiling that Abigail is scum that faked a check, like am I completely off base because if yes I gotta go drive to the office and rethink things in the car

I think so, yes. Like there’s no reason for scum Abby to do that plus I tr Dizzy and Abby independent of the peek.

We misyeet the doctor. Wolves shoot Seanzie over Leetic. Why? A question for tomorrow but one we should answer.

Me sending legacies while in the shower after failing to plant a tree on account of broken shovel + massive ant bed exactly where I wanted the tree. Wowee

Probably never ever yeet: Leetic, Abby, Epi, Delta

@pyxxy

Can you leave Abby alone and focus on LC/Wilgy/Roxy/(me/you) since that’s the realistically viable yeet pool?

I guess I’m supposed to iso SVS but that feels like a waste of time.

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:05 pm for better or for worse everyone in the pyxxy/lc/jack triangle seems to scumread at least one of the other two so maybe/hopefully there's some merit to that :,)

For the record, I think Roxy and Wilgy are both scummier than LC and Pyxxy but I’d self preserve against all four and not feel too bad about it.

[VOTE: Dr Wilgy] aubergine

Don’t feel fantastic about this eod but what are you gonna do? It’s Sunday afternoon after a fake red.

I know we aren’t supposed to take it into account and it’s probably fine if she’s a wolf but I don’t wanna risk this game being “the time we misyeeted Roxy when she was in the hospital.”

Nanook has like nothing helpful to me reading him in his iso. I’d love to say that’s scum indicative but he just does stuff like this sometimes.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:45 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:32 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:27 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:21 pm Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned
Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine
I'll join you, better wagon than the current biggest one [VOTE: Jack] aubergine
Hell yeah, let's goooooo

It’s weird that I actually have a scumread on Wilgy but I do. Feelsbadman.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:27 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:21 pm Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned
Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine

Meh.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:02 am
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:59 am [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine Come on, you have the emptiest ISO of anyone in the game, get going.
This is scummy lol.

If the implication is that I haven't read, why would I have gth takes?

Reading Wilgy is generally hard but this feels like a lie.

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine for now.

Not the best but gth she’s a wolf and Leetic and I aren’t.

I really hate doing multiple isos and coming back with “inconclusive” but atm, my rankings are like

Pyxxy
LC
Roxy

And if I were to extend that to the whole player list it’s something like

Leetic
Abby

Thunal
Epi
Delta

Pyxxy
LC
Nanook - pending
Wilgy - pending
Roxy
SVS - pending

I might read Wilgy before SVS because I’m sure SVS has like 4 times Wilgy’s posts.

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 1:54 pm @Jackofhearts2005 what do you make of Wilgy voting you?

It isn’t my favorite. But I’ve read so little Wilgy.

I don’t think there’s ever a t!Wilgy w!Pyxxy world given the way Pyxxy has pushed Wilgy. It’s either a real thought or distancing. It’s not an attempted misyeet. Not enough fire or slime to it.

There are like a number of posts in Pyxxy’s iso that I think are good posts, tho

Going through Pyxxy’s iso, I don’t find the “asked Jack a question (how well he knows LC’s play) and then didn’t follow up when he gave a joke answer” thing to be scummy.

The joke answer (we used to date) implied I did know LC well and even if it was a total dodge on my part, it’s not like a real answer would do much for determining anyone’s alignment.

Pyxxy’s iso is pretty lacking in content. I still overall think this is a scummy slot. My prior reasoning was just bad.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:45 am
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 1:54 am @pyxxy Why are you lurking? Don't you have any thoughts on the game?

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Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 5:46 am 15 players. 48/24 phases - game will be closed during the night phase. Closed setup. No hammers and it is not a bastard game.

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