The Syndicate

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:05 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:04 pm
Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:02 pm If you are mafia do you make a case against inactive townie or is it too obvious. Or do you keep your mouth shut if he is your teammate and dont wanna risk policy kill
Nanook was scum in Corona Virus mafia and pushed against an inactive Poison-chan during D1. Granted, they turned out to be scum, too, lol.
Yea but no one touched wilgy besides Jack from what i can remember

Mac and Nanook had “weird” interactions with Wilgy today.

It’s why I initially wanted to shoot Wilgy over Boo.

Boo is worse in a vacuum.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:33 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:23 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:10 pm I am comfortable removing nanook and johann from the POE outright. funnygurl and hyena are also town reads, but I'm open to arguments against them.
does anyone disapprove of this line of thinking?
I do.

You haven’t even looked at Nanook by your own admission because he shot Drago even though you just won a game because Nanook hard bussed your slot.

You know better.

Your other three clears are fine imo.
i don't think i won that game. i did not actually participate.

i'd need more than wifom to convince me that nanook is a worthy suspect.

The baseline is not “Is Nanook a worthy suspect?”

The baseline is “Should Nanook he cleared?”

You know that the answer to that is a firm “No.” You know that lock clearing a known busser because to be a wolf he’d have had to bus is stupid.

But once again, Nanook pushed hard to take Boo and Wilgy our if the poe for reasons he refused to elaborate on. So from the perspective of a town player in the proposed POE of 2 players, that’s sketchy af. Which is why I suspect him and probably why Mac does as well.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:28 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:26 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:10 pm It's currently 8 vs 2, but I'm essentially already dead so it's really 7 vs 2. I believe that gives town a total of 2 mis-shots. A 4-person POE should solve the game.

I am comfortable removing nanook and johann from the POE outright. funnygurl and hyena are also town reads, but I'm open to arguments against them.

If we're comfortable taking those four out of the pool, though, then we just need to clear one of the following: G-man, wilgy, boo, mac, jack.

When I placed a doofus vote on wilgy Day 1, Drago came down hard on me. I'm not sure that happens if Wilgy is his partner.
You shouldn’t have trouble clearing me or GMan considering you seem to have just read the entire game.
Tell me why Jackofhearts2005 deserves to be cleared.
Read Day 2.

I have antialignment with your entire POE unless it’s me and GMan.
explain
Boo and Wilgy both want me dead.

Mac and me had a shitton if back and forth today and if you read it all as wolf theater, you need glasses.
what about g-man?

i don't think you and mac are incapable of hard distancing.

Just look at it ffs. Ruling out an entire day phase is a bad idea.

And nothing about GMan. GMan is town. He’s had a town mindset. I’m not clearing him through Drago interactions.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:23 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:10 pm I am comfortable removing nanook and johann from the POE outright. funnygurl and hyena are also town reads, but I'm open to arguments against them.
does anyone disapprove of this line of thinking?

I do.

You haven’t even looked at Nanook by your own admission because he shot Drago even though you just won a game because Nanook hard bussed your slot.

You know better.

Your other three clears are fine imo.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:10 pm It's currently 8 vs 2, but I'm essentially already dead so it's really 7 vs 2. I believe that gives town a total of 2 mis-shots. A 4-person POE should solve the game.

I am comfortable removing nanook and johann from the POE outright. funnygurl and hyena are also town reads, but I'm open to arguments against them.

If we're comfortable taking those four out of the pool, though, then we just need to clear one of the following: G-man, wilgy, boo, mac, jack.

When I placed a doofus vote on wilgy Day 1, Drago came down hard on me. I'm not sure that happens if Wilgy is his partner.
You shouldn’t have trouble clearing me or GMan considering you seem to have just read the entire game.
Tell me why Jackofhearts2005 deserves to be cleared.
Read Day 2.

I have antialignment with your entire POE unless it’s me and GMan.
explain

Boo and Wilgy both want me dead.

Mac and me had a shitton if back and forth today and if you read it all as wolf theater, you need glasses.

4% battery. I may disappear for a bit.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 7:43 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 6:57 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 5:06 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 2:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:33 pm FG - Sus -1 -1
Hyena - Sus +1 -1 Ugh Fuck you Hyena
Nanook - Cleared
Johann - Cleared
Nutella - Sus
Jack - Cleared
G-man - Sus
Sloonei - Sus
Nutella - Sus
Boo - Seems ok
Wilgy - Null as usual fuck you Wilgy

Lol I can't believe I have the gun this is great.
Lol, thanks Dad.

Run by me why Nanook, Johann, and Jack are clear.
lol, it would be funny if, like, Mac and Wilgy are the last two mafia. I don't think this is the case though? I think this is the first time Wilgy mentioned Mac in his ISO. And he's going against Jack again here.
Correct.

Tell me why Jack isn't scum and is there currently any avenue to having him shot?
If Jack is scum, then Mac is most likely his partner since I already ruled out you and Boo being his partner.

Great reason to shoot me last.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:10 pm It's currently 8 vs 2, but I'm essentially already dead so it's really 7 vs 2. I believe that gives town a total of 2 mis-shots. A 4-person POE should solve the game.

I am comfortable removing nanook and johann from the POE outright. funnygurl and hyena are also town reads, but I'm open to arguments against them.

If we're comfortable taking those four out of the pool, though, then we just need to clear one of the following: G-man, wilgy, boo, mac, jack.

When I placed a doofus vote on wilgy Day 1, Drago came down hard on me. I'm not sure that happens if Wilgy is his partner.
You shouldn’t have trouble clearing me or GMan considering you seem to have just read the entire game.
Tell me why Jackofhearts2005 deserves to be cleared.

Read Day 2.

I have antialignment with your entire POE unless it’s me and GMan.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 7:38 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 7:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 7:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 7:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 6:55 pm Mac & Drago
Spoiler: show
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 4:51 am I have gamesolve anyway.

boo - scum
Dragomir - town
DrWilgy - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Duskfall - town
Funnygurl555 - scum
G-Man - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Hyena - town
Jackofhearts2005 - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Johann - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - town
nutella - town
Sloonei - town

Shooting order:

FG > Boo > G-Man > Wilgy > Jack > Johann

Game winning POE already.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:10 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:06 am

So GTH they're all town?
Do you think Nanook is a wolf?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:20 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:10 am @MacDougall your Hyena scum read goes against my town read on her. Talk to me about your read.
Hyena seems aright it's just that FG/Hyena feel like teammates. The "oh revenge shoot lol" thing seems like bs. They went on about it too much. If FG flips town I'll probably drop the read entirely.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 6:49 am Dragomir just do your own work for now I don't care enough to explain myself.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:42 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:40 pm @MacDougall do you think Nutella is good or bad?
I think it would be foolhardy to give her a town read here but as of right now she is not someone I will shoot.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:52 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:51 pm

Nah. I like my Mac vote.
Hyena and Duskfall fear me having the gun. Funny.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:34 pm Sloonei nutella isn't getting the gun because we're in a game with a lot of non regs and most of them don't trust and are triggered by her usual behaviours, just shouting about it isn't going to help. You had a chance to give me the gun because I had FG, Hyena, Dragomir etc. but frankly you blew it. Not me, you. You did this. And should be sad and ashamed of yourself.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:06 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:06 pm

WTF did Boo and Dragomir do to you in scum chat?? Where is Mac?
What a strange and reachy horrible scummy post this is lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:13 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:11 pm

Yeah I'm cool with this. Shoot Drago, Mac?
Dragomir was a big supporter of arming me. It'd take some convincing.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:18 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:18 pm

I listed him in my top town 2 or 3 minutes before he cfded
Yeah ok Drago def on the shortlist.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:19 pm Btw nutella you stinking butt head. I AM reading the thread.

So far here's the score:

FG - Sus
Hyena - Sus
Nanook - Cleared
Johann - Cleared
Nutella - Sus

Still going.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:34 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:37 am

Hyena is town. Lock it and throw the key away.
Say stuff about this

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:16 pm So basically here are my narrowed down options.

G-man - Not spicy but I think he's scum
Wilgy - Not spicy and I think he's town
Johann - Lil bit spicy and I think he's scum
Hyena - Spicy and I suspect
Dragomir - Spicy and I suspect
Jack - Flaming spice and I think he's scum

I have the shot submitted on Jack unless I have a change of heart.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:29 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:23 pm Johann, Nutella, and FG would be all shots I'd be fine with. I'd only shoot Jack after those three and G-Man.

I don't think I'd shoot Mac or Dusk ever. Nanook would be a SUPER spicy shot, especially considering that he's starting to trend into that tone territory where I get iffy about him, like I did in Corona Virus.
Talk to me more about Johann, as well as your Nanook read.

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:23 pm I think I'd keep Sloonei around another day.
Why did you frame it like this, versus just town reading him? What is your reservation?

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:25 pm Boo and Drago are no-gos for me right now. I'd never shoot them right now, but if I had to pick one to die over the other right now, it would always be Drago to shoot over Boo since I'm less sure about Drago. Boo just feels pure right now to me.
Why did you feel the need to pair these two off? Particularly why did you feel the need to go from no go-s to choosing between them? I don't understand your thought process here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:46 pm boo - no
Dragomir - no
DrWilgy - no
Duskfall - ...
Funnygurl555 - no
G-Man - ...
Hyena - ...
Jackofhearts2005 - ...
Johann - ...
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - ...
nutella - no
Sloonei - no

Duskfall... nah
G-man... nah
Wilgy... nah
Hyena ... nah
Johann maybe
Jack maybe
Nanook maybe... nah.

Kind of in two minds about Johann and Jack here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 11:43 pm I think I look worst here but that's because Dragomir did work to pocket me. I think there's a good chance the Johann case was just distancing. Dragomir didn't respond to it like a scum responds to a townie casing them.

Bit sus on his interactions with Boo and FG too. I'd focus on those three.

This is uninspiring. Mac suggests some suspicion of Drago while he's holding the gun, but I don't see much evidence that he's actively considering a shot in that direction. At one point he acknowldges a case against Drago and places him "on the shortlist", but then Mac's very next post is a general summary of players he has decisive thoughts on, and Drago is omitted. There's no sustained pressure on Drago from Mac on Day 2, or really any pressure at all. He made a quick point to downplay the associative reads between them, which is yuck. I still maintain a firm suspicion on Mac based on the entirety of his handling of nutella Day/Night 1. His interactions with Drago are not encouraging either. If I could get the gun, I'd probably shoot mac.
Fuck this nightmare. You were meant to join me not turn on me.
Join you in what? When did I turn on you? I've been consistently naming you as a suspect for a while. But I'm not getting the gun, so you don't need to worry too much about old sloon. Tell us who deserves to be shot instead of you and hope for the best.
Like come in and catch up and realise I'm the sane person and all my arguments against Boo were legit and back me up and shit gdi.

Sloobot malfunctioning. I can't play wolf like this Sloonei. I haven't managed a wolf game anything close to this in years. I've been nothing but honest and sincere. God's honest truth that is.
I haven't gotten to any of that yet. I am looking squarely at Days 1 & 2 and Dragomir interactions.

Ah well there’s your problem.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:10 pm It's currently 8 vs 2, but I'm essentially already dead so it's really 7 vs 2. I believe that gives town a total of 2 mis-shots. A 4-person POE should solve the game.

I am comfortable removing nanook and johann from the POE outright. funnygurl and hyena are also town reads, but I'm open to arguments against them.

If we're comfortable taking those four out of the pool, though, then we just need to clear one of the following: G-man, wilgy, boo, mac, jack.

When I placed a doofus vote on wilgy Day 1, Drago came down hard on me. I'm not sure that happens if Wilgy is his partner.

You shouldn’t have trouble clearing me or GMan considering you seem to have just read the entire game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:01 pm Jack whenever he’s suspected by lots of people: Pff. I can’t be scum because I obviously have no partners.

Consistent response: Oh, we’re hunting for a single wolf even though there are two.
who's bad?
At least one of Boo and Wilgy. Probably paired with the other, Mac or Nanook.

Imo, everyone else is damn near cleared.
Only a town would have Nanook in their POE in your seat, I know this because I do too. A wolf would not bother even sniffing there if Nanook was town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:03 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:01 pm Jack whenever he’s suspected by lots of people: Pff. I can’t be scum because I obviously have no partners.

Consistent response: Oh, we’re hunting for a single wolf even though there are two.
I was rolling around in bed last night and arrived at a point where I think you are town somehow even though by POE it shouldn't be plausible so if that were to be true then the POE is at least partially bunk. I am genuinely lockscum on Boo, but whether I'm right or wrong about that I feel like there is a wolf that isn't getting any heat really at all. If so, who the fuck is it? If you take me out of your POE who comes into view for you?

Fair play to you if you're a wolf but you've made some posts that helped me see your townie mind flickering.

I mean, Nanook.

He busses as a wolf. Remember how well he pocketed DDL in Covid19 when he bussed MP? Did anyone here know Nanook wanted Drago dead before he shot him? His treatment of Wilgy and Boo (saying they were magically out of the poe and he wouldn’t say why) looks potentially teammate indicative.

I’m not saying it’s Nanook. I am saying he’s far and away the most suspicious player that most people aren’t worried about.

I’d probably go Wilgy->Boo->Nanook. Unless Wilgy and Boo both flip town in which case we’re screwed anyway.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:01 pm Jack whenever he’s suspected by lots of people: Pff. I can’t be scum because I obviously have no partners.

Consistent response: Oh, we’re hunting for a single wolf even though there are two.
who's bad?

At least one of Boo and Wilgy. Probably paired with the other, Mac or Nanook.

Imo, everyone else is damn near cleared.

Jack whenever he’s suspected by lots of people: Pff. I can’t be scum because I obviously have no partners.

Consistent response: Oh, we’re hunting for a single wolf even though there are two.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 5:10 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:53 pm I kinda want to shoot Jack. Does anyone object?
I have no reason to single Jack out as a suspect. He wasn't here when I was here last night. But at least if he gets shot he can preserve his unlynchable claim some more.
I don't like that Jack is acting low key. He's also skating. He also won't get lynched if he's scum. I think he's a good shot. Maybe not the most likely to flip wolf but he's the most likely to flip wolf in a way that destroys the scum team if he is one.

Also I do think he is one. I don't believe half the shit he says. He's just applied an urgent scattery tone to the few posts he's made that makes it look authentic. He cleared Johann off being wrongtown and I never understand people that do that. Johann/Jack feel teamy to me.
I agree with the feel of Jack, but I wouldn't think them to be w/w.

That's two of the people you had previously confirmed. Was there anything other than the above that changed that?
So, if Jack is actually Wilgy's partner, would he push Jack but ALSO defend Johann here? Like, if his partner Jack flipped mafia, he'd WANT people to think Johann could be teamed with him. So, like, I'm pretty confident in saying that Jack and Wilgy are never w/w here.

Same for me and Boo.

Probably cause I'm just town.

I think we have two "mislynches" left.

I refuse to take up one of them. Read my posts from today. I'm obviously town.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:09 pm Locking shots in during the day is fairly suboptimal imo, let’s not do that

"I think Wilgy is mafia" is a more useful statement for reading the player who says it than "I townread FG" which is equally easy for scum and town to say and tells us nothing after the player who said it dies or after FG dies.

Let's make this more like regular mafia such that it makes sense.

A vote for me is a vote to kill Wilgy.

A vote for Johann is a vote to kill Boo.

A vote for Boo is a vote to kill me.

Something like that.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:56 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:54 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:54 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:50 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:38 am Yeah I’ve never seen a townie that ends up fighting half the town.

Never in my life.

Not once.
Pretty sure you're talking about Boo but my devil's advocate answer is "Me in like every game."
I was actually thinking of myself in half my town games lmao
Lol then wtf were you talking about?
It was a sarcastic response to “boo is mafia because he keeps fighting town”

Oooooooh. Sarcasm is really clear now.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:54 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:50 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:38 am Yeah I’ve never seen a townie that ends up fighting half the town.

Never in my life.

Not once.
Pretty sure you're talking about Boo but my devil's advocate answer is "Me in like every game."
I was actually thinking of myself in half my town games lmao

Lol then wtf were you talking about?

[VOTE: Johann] aubergine

I actually think Mac looks real town from his play calendar today.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:38 am Yeah I’ve never seen a townie that ends up fighting half the town.

Never in my life.

Not once.

Pretty sure you're talking about Boo but my devil's advocate answer is "Me in like every game."

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:42 am
boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:39 am
Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:33 am
boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am
Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:25 am
boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am @G-Man Jack and Mac are running a divide and conquer gambit. It's playing off of Johann's total distrust of me, your and Wilgy's general not keeping up, FGs regularly going all over the place as she tries to make up her mind, and my ability to generally alienate other town. I'm not really sure how they're fitting in Hyena.

If you trust your gut, (currently) vote for me, along with me and Nanook. We may need to shift the vote over to FG later in the day, bit that's where things currently stand.
In case you get the gun.
Who dies?
TBD. Nanook had a list somewhere, someone in it. I'd like to think Mac and Jack are teammates, but it seems a bit too easy. I think it's probably only actually one of them, and the other is playing the other.
I can see Mac as scum more than Jack
Sell me that pitch by your words and not nanooks
I'm not really invested in you voting with me. Whichever one of them hatched this scheme doesn't expect you to be on my side of this, and even then, I still see being able to get the numbers to burn them on what they did here. So if you're more open-minded then they thought, it's still easier for me to show you that it's worth risking trusting me through my interactions with other people, not directly with you. You don't trust me. Fair enough. I've given you reason not to. So you're to tunneled on me to not be able to find a way to doubt anything I can tell you. If you have more specific questions I can try and help you get there that way, but I'm not going to be able to sell you on trusting me in the way you're asking here.
;______; this looks townie y'all

Lol no it doesn't.

"I only look bad because the players making decent points about me are wolves" is not...

Just no. I disagree.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:37 am It started as wanting to shake things up a bit/force people to make more challenging pushes than wilgy/boo but I think boo actually has me pocketed now tbh

Nanook: I will flat refuse to give reads and veto the death of certain players.
Also Nanook: That will shake things up.

Like...technically correct. But not if we had actually listened to you.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:35 am
Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:32 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:21 am
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:50 pm I doubt scum jack poisons me btw considering i was strongly townreading him a lot of yesterday and changed the shot off him last night, regardless of how widely townread I am. That is unless a different partner needed me dead, but worth thinking about. I would say I am likely dying for being consensus town so my scumreads while a good reference point aren't going to be everything, but mafia I am townreading would still have no reason to want me dead. So if anything probably take away my townread from my death rather than my scumreads
All townreads of someone poisoned are inherently irrelevant.

Once poisoned, you cannot get the gun. Who you trust is not going to weigh into who will then be shot the night after you die.

SR reads can be more relevant, if the mafia think they'll hold enough water to result in someone you suspect getting shot.

So, as with most mafia kills, it all boils down to WIFOM of "would they kill someone to (soon) shut them up, so people ignore their SR" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... ah shit, they weren't actually relevant and we got town" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... but maybe they expected that, so let's not listen!" vs etc, etc.

The only useful takeaway from your being poisoned is that the mafia we have here went for the unimaginative option. You were the runnerup for the gun, and in general unlikely to ever be shot, and poisoning you means you cannot get the gun today. Those are all directly useful things we don't have to wonder about them thinking, they're why you're the unimaginative option. But the mafia can't control if and how your reads come into play by deciding to kill you. It's even WIFOM for them until it goes through, because they don't know how the town will react to it.
this is why i tr'd boo
For that?
For talking game mechanics?
well from that i don't think killing duskfall would be boo's decision, and i also think boo would really wanna talk about sTrAtEgY in a maf chat

Boo: Lol nobody read too hard into Dusk's death!
FG: This means Boo probably didn't kill Dusk.
Jack:

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:30 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:28 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:27 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:25 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:59 am Jackofhearts2005 if it's between you and hyena, hyena isn't someone i'd shoot. so it has to be you

if it's between you and mac, mac is town, therefore i'd shoot you

idr what the two nanook said was

y'all really about to not give me the gun? w/e. then give it to me next time
None of this tells me why you suspect me. I want to know why you suspect me so I can tell you why you're wrong.

I get that you're blasting Boo over me. That's a good thing. But I'll be damned if anyone is ever going to shoot me without laying out exactly their reasons for doing so such that we can evaluate if they made a mistake or if they were full of shit.

It's very important that people who suspect me say exactly why they suspect me. Not why they don't suspect others. Not a blanket "everything Jack said is verified bullshit." Not "Fuck you, I'm confirmed town." Not "Jack is meh." Actual reasons that people think I could be mafia. Cause I'm not. A townie will either have understandable but wrong reasons or they'll see the light and not shoot me.
i don't like you because you're trying to break up a poe that people have been building up over the game. and after drago was shot down, there's some credibility to that poe

but that also means you'd die, or the wolves would die. it's a good deep wolf strat and it's making me uneasy
What POE am I trying to break up? Specifically.
there was this nice little thing where we were thinking wilgy or you or mac (lol) or hyena

and then all of a sudden idk what's going on

If I get the gun, I'm shooting Wilgy or Boo in order to take me out of the poe by blasting a wolf.

I'm advocating operating entirely within the POE.

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:30 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:29 am Oh yeah, Johann can get the gun too as long as he promises not to shoot himself.

We're just never giving it to Wilgy, Mac or Boo.
Why would i shoot myself?

You...spend the first day of the game pretending to advocate for giving suspicious players the gun to shoot themselves. It's a joke.

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:18 am Quick check-in while I watch the kids during my wife's Kindergarten Zoom session (almost as thankless as the weekly preschool Zoom session I get to sit in on with my 4-year-old).

Don't vote for me today because I am falling behind again. I saw someone vote for me while skimming the posts, but it looks like that vote moved. Keep it that way. That said, the current votes worry me a little bit.

My reads are a bit messy, but here goes:

Nanook

Mac
Boo

Funnygurl
Johann

Hyena
Jack
Wilgy

Nanook is my top civ read for reasons stated previously. I still think Mac looked good for his reaction to nutella. I guess that's the hill I'm willing to die on in this game. If I'm wrong, then all future Mac reactions are sus.

Boo reads so darn consistently through his ISO, but Jack's persistence on boo's readability as helpful/obstructive has me wavering and softening my civ read on him. I need to spend more time there. This frustrates me because Jack is in my bottom tier. I don't want to ignore his input in case I am misreading him, but I also don't want him to be Inceptioning me and converting me into useful idiot at endgame.

I still need help figuring out Funnygurl and Johann. I recall seeing something about Johann's sus and interaction with Dragomir. I can look for that. Is there anything else? I feel kind of stupid reaching such a null/neutral read on Funnygurl when she's got three votes in the gun poll. What am I not seeing that others are?

My bottom three are because I don't like how nervous Hyena got when Nanook said he was on the shot list, every few Jack posts seem shifty, and Wilgy being Wilgy frustrates me like Vomp being Vomp used to. I like the guy when he has time to bring his quirky A-Game, but this isn't it. Some of you can probably say the same about me, so I guess that makes Wilgy the kettle and me the pot.

Okay but GMan needs to update his reads because his rainbow is damn near upsidedown.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:19 am Wilgy, Johann, Nook and Hyena are cleared off Drago
Boo is just wolfy as all get out
Jack is cleared off Boo
I am confirmed town via superior skill
FG is town because of her own superior skill
Only one name left on my list?

I'm legit willing to die for my GMan townread. He's town town town.

But uh thanks for at least giving the reason for the read, even if I am super unconvinced by this post that Boo is town.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:21 am
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:50 pm I doubt scum jack poisons me btw considering i was strongly townreading him a lot of yesterday and changed the shot off him last night, regardless of how widely townread I am. That is unless a different partner needed me dead, but worth thinking about. I would say I am likely dying for being consensus town so my scumreads while a good reference point aren't going to be everything, but mafia I am townreading would still have no reason to want me dead. So if anything probably take away my townread from my death rather than my scumreads
All townreads of someone poisoned are inherently irrelevant.

Once poisoned, you cannot get the gun. Who you trust is not going to weigh into who will then be shot the night after you die.

SR reads can be more relevant, if the mafia think they'll hold enough water to result in someone you suspect getting shot.

So, as with most mafia kills, it all boils down to WIFOM of "would they kill someone to (soon) shut them up, so people ignore their SR" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... ah shit, they weren't actually relevant and we got town" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... but maybe they expected that, so let's not listen!" vs etc, etc.

The only useful takeaway from your being poisoned is that the mafia we have here went for the unimaginative option. You were the runnerup for the gun, and in general unlikely to ever be shot, and poisoning you means you cannot get the gun today. Those are all directly useful things we don't have to wonder about them thinking, they're why you're the unimaginative option. But the mafia can't control if and how your reads come into play by deciding to kill you. It's even WIFOM for them until it goes through, because they don't know how the town will react to it.
this is why i tr'd boo

*fart noises*

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:28 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:21 am
boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:48 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:42 am
boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:38 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:16 am Probably jack, it’s hard to tell though tbh
I don't think it actually matters, they both look mafia. It's like they got drunk in mafia chat together and decided to start incessantly shit-posting. They're bouncing all over the place and most of it is confirmed BS.

The only confusing thing about this to me is I don't see them having the numbers to actually make this work if they're both mafia. They'd have to be assuming some horrible town plays from here on out.

FG has said she'll listen to you and Sloonei, IIRC, for who to shoot. So give it to her if voters on her don't want me to have it, or her voters can move to me and I'll shoot one of them.

Giving it to Jack is a trap, just not a good one. He'd probably shoot me. But that still doesn't matter. They shoot me, I reveal town, they posion Nanook, and at that point I their hope is the town just crumbles? Screw up and give the gun to Mac again and they shoot Wilgy or FG?
If Jack is my partner and gets the gun he shoots me and rides the cred home frankly.

But anyway you're a good boy. I like you.
Jack is way to egotistical for that.
What are you even arguing against? Like you don't want me to get the gun because if it's me and Mac....I won't shoot Mac because I'm too egotistical?

Who the fuck cares? You're not talking strategy. You're not giving reads. You're just being dickish. All game. I don't get it.
U mad?

Only if you're town.

Oh yeah, Johann can get the gun too as long as he promises not to shoot himself.

We're just never giving it to Wilgy, Mac or Boo.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:27 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:25 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:59 am Jackofhearts2005 if it's between you and hyena, hyena isn't someone i'd shoot. so it has to be you

if it's between you and mac, mac is town, therefore i'd shoot you

idr what the two nanook said was

y'all really about to not give me the gun? w/e. then give it to me next time
None of this tells me why you suspect me. I want to know why you suspect me so I can tell you why you're wrong.

I get that you're blasting Boo over me. That's a good thing. But I'll be damned if anyone is ever going to shoot me without laying out exactly their reasons for doing so such that we can evaluate if they made a mistake or if they were full of shit.

It's very important that people who suspect me say exactly why they suspect me. Not why they don't suspect others. Not a blanket "everything Jack said is verified bullshit." Not "Fuck you, I'm confirmed town." Not "Jack is meh." Actual reasons that people think I could be mafia. Cause I'm not. A townie will either have understandable but wrong reasons or they'll see the light and not shoot me.
i don't like you because you're trying to break up a poe that people have been building up over the game. and after drago was shot down, there's some credibility to that poe

but that also means you'd die, or the wolves would die. it's a good deep wolf strat and it's making me uneasy

What POE am I trying to break up? Specifically.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:02 am also i'ma be hella clear here i ain't gonna vote for someone to get the gun unless nanook or sloonei tells me to, or maybe johann

so rn my vote goes to boo 'cause nanook said so

I'll vote you to get the gun over Boo. Easily. I'll bully Mac into voting you as well if it comes down to it.

Boo never gets the gun today.

It's like Jack gets the gun > FG gets the gun > GMan gets the gun > Hyena gets the gun > lol why would you ever give anyone else the gun?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:59 am Jackofhearts2005 if it's between you and hyena, hyena isn't someone i'd shoot. so it has to be you

if it's between you and mac, mac is town, therefore i'd shoot you

idr what the two nanook said was

y'all really about to not give me the gun? w/e. then give it to me next time

None of this tells me why you suspect me. I want to know why you suspect me so I can tell you why you're wrong.

I get that you're blasting Boo over me. That's a good thing. But I'll be damned if anyone is ever going to shoot me without laying out exactly their reasons for doing so such that we can evaluate if they made a mistake or if they were full of shit.

It's very important that people who suspect me say exactly why they suspect me. Not why they don't suspect others. Not a blanket "everything Jack said is verified bullshit." Not "Fuck you, I'm confirmed town." Not "Jack is meh." Actual reasons that people think I could be mafia. Cause I'm not. A townie will either have understandable but wrong reasons or they'll see the light and not shoot me.

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:48 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:42 am
boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:38 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:16 am Probably jack, it’s hard to tell though tbh
I don't think it actually matters, they both look mafia. It's like they got drunk in mafia chat together and decided to start incessantly shit-posting. They're bouncing all over the place and most of it is confirmed BS.

The only confusing thing about this to me is I don't see them having the numbers to actually make this work if they're both mafia. They'd have to be assuming some horrible town plays from here on out.

FG has said she'll listen to you and Sloonei, IIRC, for who to shoot. So give it to her if voters on her don't want me to have it, or her voters can move to me and I'll shoot one of them.

Giving it to Jack is a trap, just not a good one. He'd probably shoot me. But that still doesn't matter. They shoot me, I reveal town, they posion Nanook, and at that point I their hope is the town just crumbles? Screw up and give the gun to Mac again and they shoot Wilgy or FG?
If Jack is my partner and gets the gun he shoots me and rides the cred home frankly.

But anyway you're a good boy. I like you.
Jack is way to egotistical for that.

What are you even arguing against? Like you don't want me to get the gun because if it's me and Mac....I won't shoot Mac because I'm too egotistical?

Who the fuck cares? You're not talking strategy. You're not giving reads. You're just being dickish. All game. I don't get it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:46 am
boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:54 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:44 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:42 am
boo wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 8:00 am I got my PM and do not care when phases start/end.

Self-killing makes zero sense Johann.

We should give the gun to someone with a subset of players they're allowed to choose from to shoot.

If they go outside that, they got shot next.

I think it's better then deciding on a specific player because that keeps mafia from being able to control the conversation easily.

And at 13 players, 10/3 split... Assuming the gun always gets used (no ties, but in most cases that should be easy enough to avoid since we can hammer)... We can only afford like 4 gun uses on a civ? One or two more if we get 1 or 2 of the mafia mixed in with that? Right? It's too early for me to be mathing. But it's a general point.

Then once we have a baddie killed, players who had them in their subset but chose not to shoot them can be looked at more in depth. Plus that's a way to try and force the mafia into bussing if they do get the gun.
this is boo's first post and it's basically stating the obvious about how the game works. imo it's fluff

boo wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 8:55 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 8:52 pm COMPROMISE is what makes this country GREAT, except when it’s MY IDEALS, in which case we must be UNCOMPROMISING in the face of ADVERSITY
something something towncore, something something if I get the gun I'll shoot you, something something casual mention of someone who hasn't even posted but I am saying is either 100% town or mafia. Actually, no. Strike that. They're the secret independent role that isn't stated in the roles. Probably? But I don't know, because reading host posts is apparently for nerds, so I haven't done that.
this is... what the actual fuck is this. this is a scum post 99% of the time it exists.
Wait, is this all you got against him?
Yes, because she's mafia and I'm an easy mis-shot, and she knows it and is going balls to the wall trying to make it happen because if she doesn't I'll be gunning for her until she gets shot and she knows it.
In which dead scum Dragomir hard defends boo against dead town genius nutella and boo does this hilarious little omgus thing lol.

Idk who his living partner would be tho.

boo wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:38 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:16 am Probably jack, it’s hard to tell though tbh
I don't think it actually matters, they both look mafia. It's like they got drunk in mafia chat together and decided to start incessantly shit-posting. They're bouncing all over the place and most of it is confirmed BS.

The only confusing thing about this to me is I don't see them having the numbers to actually make this work if they're both mafia. They'd have to be assuming some horrible town plays from here on out.

FG has said she'll listen to you and Sloonei, IIRC, for who to shoot. So give it to her if voters on her don't want me to have it, or her voters can move to me and I'll shoot one of them.

Giving it to Jack is a trap, just not a good one. He'd probably shoot me. But that still doesn't matter. They shoot me, I reveal town, they posion Nanook, and at that point I their hope is the town just crumbles? Screw up and give the gun to Mac again and they shoot Wilgy or FG?

If I got the gun, who would you have me shoot?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:29 am Boo is wolfier than Wilgy.

By his own merits but less players have treated him like a teammate.

In particular, you and Nanook both treated Wilgy more like a teammate than Boo. You were seemingly unaware of Boo's fight with me and suggested shooting Wilgy in particular a few times (ie bussing if you're bad). Nanook is trying to take Boo and Wilgy out of the POE for reasons he couldn't express and then gave single throw away post reasoning to take Wilgy in particular out of the POE.

I'd be tempted to shoot Boo if given the gun. I hate his pushes on me. I hate his general level of agression.

I don't really see anyone treating him like a partner.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:29 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:22 am Giving Boo the gun leads to a predictable Jack shot and Jack townflip. I’m not sure why anyone but Boo is advocating for that.

Jk a wolf would be into that.
I mean lots of people think you're a wolf.

Can you just insult them til they town read you please.

I prefer to continually go "Lol why do you even scumread me?" and get no response.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 8:58 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what do you think about shooting Wilgy or FG? Nobody's talking about them.

Ah yes. This lone post about Wilgy clears Wilgy.

Noooooooooope.

Giving Boo the gun leads to a predictable Jack shot and Jack townflip. I’m not sure why anyone but Boo is advocating for that.

Jk a wolf would be into that.

Idk why GMan is even in the POE since he's obviously town but whatever.

I don't really give a shit which of me, Mac or GMan shoots Wilgy.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 6:54 am In fact, I think we should be giving the gun within [wilgy/gman/boo/jack/mac] with clear instructions that if they don’t shoot within that group tonight they will themselves get shot tomorrow night.

I think forcing the POE to shoot within themselves is optimal rn?

This is the way.

I'm also confirmed town since we're living in a world where we can just self confirm by saying so.

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

My platform is simple.

I'm gonna shoot a fuzzball.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:29 am I’m confirmed town, fuck off

I’ll tell you why I’m hard defending them tonight, scout’s honor

Like you were in coronovirus mafia, yeah.

Vote me for then. Let someone in the POE shoot someone in the POE. Let me be the shooter and you can tell me tonight why I shouldn't shoot Wilgy and maybe I'll listen.

Linki lol

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