The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:56 pm As much as I believe Sloonei is a civilian, at this point, I find it bizarre that he is voting for Jack. I'm not going to rehash why. Use your clicker thingies if you need a reminder.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:40 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:48 pm Wih mesk still not around, I'm thinking she is civ. She isn't new to mafia even though she is new here. I don't think she qould abandon a btsc team. Of course, I could be wrong. There is always a chance she and dunya are bad. I know I have said this before. And dunya kind of eased my mind about it, but think...mesk hasn't been back. She doesn't know that dunya is here. What is mesk was all alone in btsc and decides to justbleave and now she has a strong teammate but doesn't know it. Gah.... I'm so indecisive.
I don't understand the connection being drawn here. In a hypothetical scenario wherein Mesk is a mafioso who has gone AWOL on her team, potential teammates of hers within the dynamic you've drawn could then be anyone low in activity who existed in this game prior to dunya's arrival (including but not necessarily dunya herself). What is the special relevance of dunya to your read on Mesk?

It makes it more ironic.

I'm tired.

Vote Dom.

There's merit in letting Dunya have more time and I don't wanna die so much.

Plus, if we lynch one inactive and replace the other two, that's a full house.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:14 pm "Jack and Dunya are dead."
I'm not even mad.

It's a fair prediction.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:07 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:59 pm If you're bad, these posts give you and out of you manage to get me lynched.
why the focus on me? Three other people voted for you for varying reasons. You didn't address them. I was here and gave you a chance to convince me to vote for someone else. All you did was call everything I suspected fake, make fun of my English a little bit, and try to misquote me. These actions don't really give me faith in you.

Sloonei and Daisy are good. I've answered lots of Sloonei questions this game. He may vote me anyway. Daisy probably won't.

Bob I am terrible at reading. His signature on our homesite really rubs that in. Back and forth on him all game. Where he votes in the end depends on a lot of stuff, chiefly his alignment.

But you? You've got posts I can dig into. You've got no town cred with me. You weren't around for days and here you are with all this new content. Of course I'm going to focus on you.

Didn't mean to make fun of your English. This is my third game with you and I'd have never known if you hadn't said something. I'd have assumed I was being overly wordy and you needed coffee.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:57 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:52 pm Kyle's pushing me today aside (which is tinfoil. Kyle can just let others lynch me if he's bad), Kyle reads exactly like townie Pirate Kyle.

Maybe missteps a bit and is a little unsure but his head and heart are in the right place and he shines town.

Driving force? Shining. Not driving. Fake.

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dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:11 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:51 pm I'd really like to hear M esk514's thoughts on current events. My thoughts are clouded by past meta and I think an outsiders' viewpoint could bring some clarity
I don't like this post. In Pirates mafia (the one and only game I've ever seen Kyle play to this point), he was an active force early in the game. He's been more passive so far in this game, so I prodded him for reads. Five minutes later, he came out with this, absent of content but calling for more content from the newcomer. This post is fluff and an excuse to delay participation in the game.
Yes, my line of thinking too. I've been town with Kyle and I've played in a game with scum Kyle. So far, this is scum Kyle. far more laid back and lurkerish than townie Kyle who has nothing to hide. I don't feel comfortable at all with Kyle's activity Day 0+ Day 1. His post after Sloonei prodded him reads as filler "I was waiting to see what LC and Epi had to say..." I mean come on. Townie Kyle would be the driving force behind the discussion. My money would be Kyle is either our third-party rogue or scum right now, but leaning loner rogue at this point.

you're intentionally misquoting me now. My suspicions on Kyle were for his contributions Day 0 and for an extended part of Day 1, then a conversation we had that was clarified and I took back. I was pushed into a thread that had close to 2000 posts, so excuse me for throwing reads as I read them. Like, rebut my accusations on you, but don't try to misquote me.

Everything pro-Kyle I said applies to D1 and D0 Kyle.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:02 pm * gave Jack a chance
yeah, I'm a townie, so as much as I am personally sold on your case, I'm not 100% sure of anything until Marmot calls it. I will always give my suspects opportunity to address my issues and convince me otherwise. If that's a scumtell for you, then I think maybe you're not a very good team player.

It's the tone.

If we're both town, why do you think I need a cheerleader?

If you're bad, these posts give you and out of you manage to get me lynched.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:49 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:47 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:49 pm The issue I'm running into is that at this point I suspect both dunya and jack, but they can't both be bad, dunya is voting for Jack, Jack is being irregularly difficult at all times.
I'd be up for a dunya lynch. I keep having this nagging voice in the back of my head that says, "She's bad, Tasha. B. A. D." But part of me feels bad because she does aeem to be really on top of things and very helpful, especially for a replacement.
There are a number of people doing fuck all, and people seriously want to lynch someone who, in my opinion, breathed life into a stagnant thread?

If Dunya is bad, let her keep talking.

My gut instinct is to call his post bad but Epi did something similar in Blue vs Red or the other way around and let me troll as Ted Cruz for a few days so I think this post is okay.

Kyle's pushing me today aside (which is tinfoil. Kyle can just let others lynch me if he's bad), Kyle reads exactly like townie Pirate Kyle.

Maybe missteps a bit and is a little unsure but his head and heart are in the right place and he shines town.

Driving force? Shining. Not driving. Fake.

Spoiler: show

Here are the first two misinterpretations of my post.

Spoiler: show

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:47 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:59 am If Long Con is a civilian, then is most likely means he is genuine in his suspicion of me.

If his suspicion is genuine, then his accusation that I am being deliberate and calculating in my dealings thus far should be one that he can logically explain.
Already done, but you want more words?

In other words, if I know what I'm doing (i.e., being deliberate in "setting up a long game"), and Long Con is calling me out on that, then he should be able to explain how my actions in the thread so far will benefit my team and me down the road. What is the long game and how am I expecting it to play out?
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.

If he can't answer that, then his suspicion isn't genuine, and he's trying to get a quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way.
Let's get this quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way, folks!
Point LC.

Epi is perhaps the best dancer on the site. There is nothing "quick and easy" about trying to mislynch him on Day 1. This feels like trying to scare away votes, not a legit attempt to scumhunt, which is exactly what Epi is already accused of doing with Sloonei.

Combined with suspicious nonlynchcandidate declarations, I think this is worthy of a vote.

PS: What is my tell?
can someone explain this post, I don't really understand. Was Jack agreeing with LC or Epi? It seems very strangely worded. He uses "mislynch", when lynching Epi would be ---- lynching him --- until the mod revealed what his alliance was. If he was saying Epi is worthy of a vote, why would he call it a "mislynch"? Am I missing something? Maybe lost in translation?
I think re-reading Jack's post, I see he is defending Epi not giving a point to LC. Confusing.
I still take issue with "mislynch" being used even in this context. Feels very revealing.

Might as well say "Why are you talking about the mafia. Is it because you're IN THE MAFIA?!?"

I mean, I had to detangle the mislynch post several times and in the end, Dunya threw up her hands and declared her original conclusion correct anyway.

Fake.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:30 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:01 pm Dunya setting up the mislynch.

Why did you use the word "mislynch?" Hmm?

Spoiler: show

The entire "mislynch" angle? Fake.

[mention]Quin[/mention]
Claims I'm grasping at straws to....what? Ever so slightly make one of my townreads look worse while I also defend Daisy from the original accusation? Fake.

Spoiler: show

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:06 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:09 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:01 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:07 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?
I think the Spacedaisy guilt line of questioning is weak. I hate "I'm not that bad at being bad" defenses but if you can rephrase to "most players are not that bad at being bad," it is an acceptable counterattack.

Didn't come across that way, though. Still don't think Daisy gets guilty over being scum.
I don't. I kind of enjoy being scum. And I'm trying to overtake Epi still for top FEB, though lately I have suffered a setback because I haven't been rolling scum. And this game won't offer me the opportunity either. I'm not scum. I'm a big mountain.

Also I'm sorry you hate that defense, but it was really less of a defense and more annoyance that Sloonei could possibly think I'd be that bad at playing scum.
I would never do ab&c as scum and therefore the best time to do ab&c would be as scum to fool people.

Also, people get lazy.

Ergo "I am not that bad at being bad" or "I wouldn't say that if I was bad" arguement a tend to be super unconvincing to me.

I hate unconvincing arguements. That's where the hate is coming from.
this post bugs the hell out of me, it pinged me as a lurker and it still pings me now.

Daisy didn't really have an argument or a defense: Sloonei questioned her authenticity based on "hi guys, i'm busy, sorry, will check in later!!!"

I mean, I'm on the fence re: Daisy, but if someone came at me like that there wouldn't be much context to defend would there? Do you want us to tell you we work 8-10 hours a day and received our roles at an unfortunate moment and feel bad about our past performances due to inactivity which may have resulted in a negative affect on the games we played as townies?

Unconvincing my arse, mister High Expectations. Seems like someone is really grasping at straws here.

* gave Jack a chance

Dunya setting up the mislynch.

Like it's not common knowledge I'm working extreme hours yet have more posts than anyone this game. Like I'm done at 5 pm.

The intention is to say "Smh. I have Jack a chance but I guess he was a bad townie."

Why would she say these things if she was town and thought I was bad? You don't encourage scum to redirect lynches.

Lol the unnatural thing about my Sig defense is probably a cross between me being a meanie head and also me always scumreading Sog when he actually posts.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:38 pm Jackofhearts2005 Whatchoo think of Eloh?

Town.

I think she's trying to the extent that town Eloh tries. Some of her posts felt really real.

I'm slightly interested in Quin's full case on her but doubt I'll follow.

Volume of posts upon replacement is an easy way for scum to hide, as anyone in Pirates should know.

[mention]Quin[/mention]
Here's one.

I'll be back with more after the kids are in bed.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:58 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:31 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:18 pm I'd ask someone to explain the Jay/Jack case if I didn't think it was a joke.
nope, not a joke. seems like early distancing to me. Why did you specifically choose to defend sig out of the blue on that particular point? You didn't even play Pirates from the start to be entirely aware of sig's presence in that game. Had that comment came from Kyle, maybe I would have bought it. As someone who replaced at the end of the game, it seemed very out of character and random.
I'm not feeling any of your reads cause they all feel made up. I'm distancing from Jimmy after townreading him literally all game? And he's the only one town reading me not based on massive mechanical assumptions?

Like I said. This is a joke.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:31 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:30 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:26 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:21 pm @Quin

Your thoughts on Dunya?
I haven't been in the thread enough to update my GTH for dunyo. Or to do ISO's. Yet again, I'm doing none of the things I said I was going to do.

I ran through her posts quickly to answer this. She's been here less than a phase and has four pages. I'm leaning town on that alone.
I think you should read her content.
What's your take on her content?

It's fake.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:26 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:21 pm @Quin

Your thoughts on Dunya?
I haven't been in the thread enough to update my GTH for dunyo. Or to do ISO's. Yet again, I'm doing none of the things I said I was going to do.

I ran through her posts quickly to answer this. She's been here less than a phase and has four pages. I'm leaning town on that alone.

I think you should read her content.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:28 pm It doesn't matter what I ask, Jack. You don't respond to anything.

Bullshit. I've linked back to my answers to you.

If you think I'm bad, then vote for me.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:22 pm I'm also asking why you have Sloonei as a town read, when any of the role permutations of that event where both of you are town are fairly unlikely.

How do you figure?

If either of us is the lynch stopper (fairly likely given there should have been a lynch yesterday), why would that player think anything of the other's role? Whoever didn't stop the lynch would have more reason to assume the other was town.

I don't know what you're talking about.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:19 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:17 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:13 pm The problem is I don't think answering the questions requires roleclaiming or even going towards that line if he does the work and explores all aspects of the event equally.
If I think Sprityo really got lynched, I'd only think so if I was Everest. So yes or no am I Everest?

Why did I say I was almost lynched? Was it because I stopped the lynch, have an extra vote or just forgot ties would result in no lynch on Day One only?

You are asking me to roleclaim. I'm not going to.
I'm not asking you to roleclaiming I'm asking you to explain the discrepancies in your actions and your supposed stance on roleclaiming. I'm also asking you to please stop avoiding questions.

Stop asking me questions that would require I break the rules to answer.

You, Nutella and Dunya both have accused me of avoiding like 6 questions which turned out to be me missing 1 Dunya question, me linking to 3 answers and me refusing to roleclaim 2 times.

I'm not avoiding anything. You'll see at this rate.

[mention]Quin[/mention]

Your thoughts on Dunya?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:13 pm The problem is I don't think answering the questions requires roleclaiming or even going towards that line if he does the work and explores all aspects of the event equally.

If I think Sprityo really got lynched, I'd only think so if I was Everest. So yes or no am I Everest?

Why did I say I was almost lynched? Was it because I stopped the lynch, have an extra vote or just forgot ties would result in no lynch on Day One only?

You are asking me to roleclaim. I'm not going to.

Appreciated, Daisy.

Would you be willing to vote Bob or Speed instead?

Apparently, there's lots of suspicion on Dunya but only one person who has enough to vote for her.

You are assuming I was claiming yesterday re:Speed's last post, Kyle.

Also, I read every word of Pirates, thanks.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:31 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:18 pm I'd ask someone to explain the Jay/Jack case if I didn't think it was a joke.
nope, not a joke. seems like early distancing to me. Why did you specifically choose to defend sig out of the blue on that particular point? You didn't even play Pirates from the start to be entirely aware of sig's presence in that game. Had that comment came from Kyle, maybe I would have bought it. As someone who replaced at the end of the game, it seemed very out of character and random.

I'm not feeling any of your reads cause they all feel made up. I'm distancing from Jimmy after townreading him literally all game? And he's the only one town reading me not based on massive mechanical assumptions?

Like I said. This is a joke.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:27 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:18 pm http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 52#p384252

@dunya

Those are all town players imo.

How did I learn to read you? You were obviously good in Pokémon and Pirates. I'm just not feeling any of your reads at all. If it was just me, whatever. I'm always under suspicion and I dance just fine. But I'm not liking any of your reads, particularly. Only one of your comments have even stood out to me as particularly civish.

I'd ask someone to explain the Jay/Jack case if I didn't think it was a joke.
yeah this post is weaker than watered down milk. Also, what Pokemon? I didn't play Pokemon. I'm sure you can find other people who have reads similar to mine, whom you are not and have not pointed that long finger at. What comment stood out as civvish; since you specifically pointed it out why didnt you bother quoting it? In conclusion.......no game on the pass. Try again later.

Maybe I'm thinking of Nightvale. I've easily townread you twice but not here. If you don't like my metaread of you, feel free to commiserate with Nutella.

This one. In hindsight, it doesn't really move the needle. Shame.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... te#p384079

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:21 pm but there's still a problem... just thinking out loud mind you

isn't saying "almost lynched" itself sort of a soft claim?

earlier in the day you mentioned in response to Sloonei that voting for you would result in a mislynch. which seems like a weirdly specific thing to say in retrospect.

It's possible a wolves Jack picked up on Sloonei's attitude towards lynching and decided later after the dust settled but before the guillotine fell to say "almost lynched" and try to take credit for survival.

no roleclaiming is a valid and legal stance to take but it's also particularly convenient here, and lawfulness doesn't necessitate morality or alignment.

Convenient nothing. It's the rules. (And I am the rules.)

So many crazy explanations for why I'm bad. Slips and tells and softclaims and schemes. That's okay. I like the reads I have now.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:13 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:21 pm I'm not interested in lynching Dom because I think he has most likely forgotten about the game and that is more likely to happen if he is civ than if he is bad, yeah?
how accurate is this assumption? Has scum Dom been far more present in his games?

Dom never draws bad rolecards so who knows?

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 52#p384252

[mention]dunya[/mention]

Those are all town players imo.

How did I learn to read you? You were obviously good in Pokémon and Pirates. I'm just not feeling any of your reads at all. If it was just me, whatever. I'm always under suspicion and I dance just fine. But I'm not liking any of your reads, particularly. Only one of your comments have even stood out to me as particularly civish.

I'd ask someone to explain the Jay/Jack case if I didn't think it was a joke.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:58 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:51 pm Jack, do you think it's at all possible that sprityo was actually the one lynched on day 2?
Mechanically, you're asking if I think a townie stopped the lynch on Sprityo (thinking Jack or Sloonei would be lynched or because Sprityo can stop lynches) or if Sprityo is a secret role that could avoid lynch and also a combo of Everest, Buttes, etc caused Sprityo to have more votes than either me or Sloonei.

I cannot answer that question without confirming or denying that I hold a certain rolecard or rolecards.
I'm asking you if you think it's possible. A yes or no will not confirm or deny your role.

I guess I'm reading it wrong.

Yes, it's possible. There are secret roles I don't know as well as multiple vote manipulators. I could know one at most.

I guess I also don't think the question is that important, aside from asking for an Everest softclaim.

If either Sloonei or Jack stopped the lynch, they wouldn't know who was actually about to die.

Sprityo wasn't around to see votes pile up so he didn't likely take an action to stop the lynch and secrets aside, I don't remember any automatic lynch stoppers.

If Jack or Sloonei just stopped the lynch, what difference does it make who would have gotten the noose? You'd have to know where vote manipulation is, which is the only thing you'd learn from it anyhow.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:51 pm Jack, do you think it's at all possible that sprityo was actually the one lynched on day 2?

Mechanically, you're asking if I think a townie stopped the lynch on Sprityo (thinking Jack or Sloonei would be lynched or because Sprityo can stop lynches) or if Sprityo is a secret role that could avoid lynch and also a combo of Everest, Buttes, etc caused Sprityo to have more votes than either me or Sloonei.

I cannot answer that question without confirming or denying that I hold a certain rolecard or rolecards.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:35 am Changed my vote to jack
Why?
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:09 pm Now I'm voting for elohcin.
Why?
I voted for you because we seem to be operating under different mindsets this game, and in particular I never saw a very reasoned defense of your vote for nutella. As I saw it, you just kind of plucked a few posts out of her ISO and labelled them "lazy" and thus "scummy", and then a bandwagon ensued. I'm not seeing the light on any of your arguments yet.
I think this holds as much weight now as it did before. Well put, Jack---I also haven't seen any real arguments. This thread is an extended day 1 till this point with over 2000 posts and your strongest case was against me! because of my "weakpoints to mislynch". Like, that's not even half a case. Not even a quarter of a case. Give me substance, I'll give you a pass.

I've been at work. If you think I'm bad, why do you want to give me a pass? Comes across as a buddying attempt, which I have to look out for because I am very self centered. (I swear I'm a nicer person irl)

Who would you vote for right now if not me?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:37 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:35 pm @Kylemii

Forget mechanics for a min. Where is your head at?
the game is mechanics, my dude.

Search your feelings.

[mention]Kylemii[/mention]

Forget mechanics for a min. Where is your head at?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:38 pm @colonialbob

I don't think so.

Thought you thought me cozying was a scum tell. How's that working out?
Did so, I said you were mafia and you were mafia. (Talkin crossover here).

When did I say that?

Scumreading and caught are different things.

During ME.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:34 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:09 am Ugh. This night. Now to go see why I was almost lynched.
Jack made this post in the time between the poll closing and Marmot's host post. The poll was tied between the two of us.
Sutter Buttes has the ability to decrease a player's vote total by 1 on a given day. I believe this notion was entertained as a possible scum slip by some in the immediate aftermath of the day. I don't think it would be too outrageous to consider. I'd like to ask Jack why he thought he was "almost lynched" instead of just plain lynched in that moment.

I will say this is stupid, though.

I've never slipped, let alone three times in one game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:08 pm I don't have time to dig into everything that's gone on today, but I'm starting to lean toward lynching jack instead of bob.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:14 pm all this talk and Jack still hasn't told me why he's placed a vote on me?

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... ya#p383927

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:34 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:09 am Ugh. This night. Now to go see why I was almost lynched.
Jack made this post in the time between the poll closing and Marmot's host post. The poll was tied between the two of us.
Sutter Buttes has the ability to decrease a player's vote total by 1 on a given day. I believe this notion was entertained as a possible scum slip by some in the immediate aftermath of the day. I don't think it would be too outrageous to consider. I'd like to ask Jack why he thought he was "almost lynched" instead of just plain lynched in that moment.

See, this is exactly what I'm talking about regarding beating around the bush to "not claim." I can say it was power related or I can give a reason and thus deny it was power related (whichever is true). Either option is a partial claim.

Not gonna answer this. My behavior in ASOUE in a similar situation was unfair to the scum team.

[mention]colonialbob[/mention]

I don't think so.

Thought you thought me cozying was a scum tell. How's that working out?

[mention]Epignosis[/mention]

What do you think of Bob and Dunya?

If you haven't already read Speed, what do you think of him?

Lol

MEBob wrote:Jack's wall o' meta is fairly typical, but I read him as slightly scummy. Feel like he's trying to steer too much in a game where there are plenty of other good players.

MEBob wrote:Jack feels like he's steering people's perception of unfamiliar players. By inserting himself as knowledgeable about all the players, he gets to spin their actions. It's not necessarily scummy, but it's absolutely something I'd expect him to do as scum.

MEBob wrote:Voting Jack for aforementioned reasons, plus he's responded to lots of other folks but not my posts about him. Avoiding the subject?

MEJack wrote:Yes, I'm avoiding the subject. You sound like paranoid version Silver/Nifty/Skullbro/Grinner. Everything Jack does is an evil plan. Not worth discussing.

I reject this as a tell.

[mention]colonialbob[/mention]

What about cozying?

Show me your heart.

*us both in ME

[mention]colonialbob[/mention]

While I ISO is both in ME to try to determine if ignoring people is an actually scumtell for me (I tend to think not but it's important to know yourself), let's go over another scumtell of mine that you observed in that game that I had forgotten about.

Granted, this tends to happen later in the game and occasionally happens when I am good but let's discuss anyway.

Do you think I am conducting?

That's [mention]Epignosis[/mention]

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