The Syndicate

SPF is the only player I think is antialigned with Tutuu at first glance. If I’m wrong, show me who else is and why.

@Seanzie
@staypositivefriend
@DrWilgy
@falcon45ca

Ya’ll see this, right?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:22 pm [VOTE: jack] aubergine

What are you even doing? Like I am wracking my brain for a world where your mindset as a townie when it’s D4 with no dead wolves and we have 2 misyeets left and no consensus and like…this is the way town Tutuu reacts to that situation. Not just this. Your last like six posts. You read like a wolf who is having fun cause she’s winning and is feeling no pressure and thinks she can power through.

Don’t do this to me, ya’ll. I have the partial solve this time. I need my townreads to play nice together and my nulls to be bullied.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:16 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:10 pm @DrWilgy

You’re the only player voting Bereft that I think has room to be a townie.

Please vote Creature or Tutuu. We’re forcing w/w wagons today. Thanks!
Eh, I'd rather it be Sig/Tutuu for reasons I've stated above.

I could swap off Bereft for Sig I think. Maybe SPF but idk if I'd move for anything else.

A vote for Tutuu sounds swell!

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:12 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:10 pm @DrWilgy

You’re the only player voting Bereft that I think has room to be a townie.

Please vote Creature or Tutuu. We’re forcing w/w wagons today. Thanks!
@DrWilgy no dont do it keep it steady

dude bereft is like jeff bezos. jack is like his executive PR guy. and we're amazon warehouse workers. i dunno about u wilgy but im tired of having to piss my pants every day

Like I know this is a joke but is the crux of this ever even a real thought that a townie has?

I developed a Bereft read in the last hour and I hate the rich.

@DrWilgy

You’re the only player voting Bereft that I think has room to be a townie.

Please vote Creature or Tutuu. We’re forcing w/w wagons today. Thanks!

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:04 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:03 pm Tutuu and SPF have been fighting all day
we barely talked to each other

Ya’ll we’re fighting right after I left yesterday and you’re fighting now. Ergo, you were fighting all day.

Oh shit I forgot Lucy. Only 2 town slots left or I’m pocketed.

If Jack, Falcon, Seanzie, SPF, Bereft, Dennis are all still town, there are only 3 further town slots.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:46 am @DrWilgy
@Seanzie
@falcon45ca
@Jackofhearts2005
@Creature
@sig

If you had a bullet who would you kill? If you had a vest, who would you shield?

Shoot Tutuu. This read developer after this ping but there is at least one wolf in yesterday’s towncore and Tutuu and SPF have been fighting all day and Tutuu looks worse in it. Plus, SPF’s wrong reads (me, Roxy) are like understandable and Tutuu’s wolflist as of last night were just…nonsense that I can’t get to. Of all the towncore, it makes most sense for Tutuu to be the wolf and if she’s town, I need to massively reevaluate and a green Tutuu flip right now does that.

I think Creature is more likely to be a wolf but I don’t think yeeting Creature does a bunch to solve the game today in terms of a midday shot.

I probably shield Bereft. He’s the player with the most votes that I think is town. Maybe Seanzie or SPF though. I think they’re more likely town than Bereft but less likely to be yeeted anyway.

SPF, what’s your current solve? Preferably without me in it.

I don’t trust anyone voting Bereft. Suggests Bereft is town.

Seanzie can be super frustrating as town but it’s a vibe and he’s got it and it moves him north on my readlist every time I see a post of his, even though I can have massively different views of the game.

Like if Mac and I disagree on everything, I tend to just assume Mac is a wolf. Contrast Seanzie.

Mac and SPF voting Creature. Nervoussipcat.jpg

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:58 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:28 pm Like if I'm jetisoning a strong townread, it's Mac, not SPF or Tutuu. Mac has been erratic and thrown out random accusations.

But why aren't any of those three dead? I didn't miss another mass redirect did I?
you sure this isn't omgus on mac? lol

I’m not sure, no.

There have been a couple recentish Tutuu posts I haven’t liked, esp ones that are aimed at SPF and Dennis so…fuqifino

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:35 am bereft, spf, dennis, falcon, porscha

hows this sound?

Pretty awful, honestly. :-/

My deep discomfort with the gamestate and my deep discomfort with the state of the poll are kinda mixing together to give me a zen comfort.

We yeet Creature and play Persona 5 and stuggke with our wife and this is how the game is meant to progress.

Sig, one of us has a photograph as an avatar and one of us has a drawing.

Creature’s the most obviously bussable obvious wolf and enough ppl putting Creature and I as a difference check, let’s dome that and the game is salvageable.

And if Creature is somehow town, we’re boned anyhow.

Fuck it.

I’m gonna “bus Creature.”

Alison was the problem (which is fine, I’m often the problem) and most of my worldview is fine, esp with Mac trending down.

[VOTE: Creature.] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:07 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:03 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:00 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:49 pm Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?
I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?
No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:49 pm Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?
I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?
No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?
This is a weak shade.

Idk why you brought attention to it if you are just waffling without mentioning that being case.
I said it because it’s a thought on my head.

You think wolf Jack’s easiest misyeet atp is Macdougall? Like say what you mean. What do you think is happening here with my posts?
Yes actually. W! Jack could easily identify that Seanzie VS Mac that's currently going on enables momentum towards either side.

I asked you as I didn't find your intention that of hunting for data on Mac, rather just shading.

I believed this to be implied, forgive me.

Oh, I just wanted you to say it so I could say “I don’t think you really think that” and you’re not allowed to call me defensive.

Get rekt, fuzz ball.

Imma be honest, I don’t know what polarized even means.

Here’s another real thought.

Town Creature will complain about how we’re screwed on D1. It’s D4 with no wolf deaths. Why is he not bitching up a storm?

We’re so screwed.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:03 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:41 pm I said I wanted to kill Creature yesterday. I said I'd kill Roxy if the towncore said so. And they did so we did.

I'm not avoiding responsibility for that. I voted Roxy. I didn't case someone else.

But thinking it's me and Creature is so blatantly wrong it's kinda gross.
this is not a compelling argument for you and creature not being W/W, considering that roxy was the obvious consensus elimination yesterday from the moment that the day started

there was no real risk of creature dying yesterday (at least to my perception) so pushing on him would also be low-risk if you're W/W

Ffs.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:00 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:49 pm Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?
I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?
No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:49 pm Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?
I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?
No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?
This is a weak shade.

Idk why you brought attention to it if you are just waffling without mentioning that being case.

I said it because it’s a thought on my head.

You think wolf Jack’s easiest misyeet atp is Macdougall? Like say what you mean. What do you think is happening here with my posts?

I’m on mobile but I might actually answer that later, Sabi, just for you.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:49 pm Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?
I mean. Seems kinda obvious that he went full tilt.

Do we expect tilted Mac to continue in the same fashion?

No but I’m getting more waffley because I’m fucking lost and Mac is getting more confident with less reasoning?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:52 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:49 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:47 pm Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.
Help me please?

That’s a question because there’s a question mark at the end.
I need help as well.

Can you explain what has happened in this game from your pov please and ty

Alison was bad at this game.

Spoiler: show

Sig being like “ofc we should yeet Robdo for the CC” and then coming in today like “I told you so” when he blatantly told us something incorrect is pretty yuck.

But if Sig is trying to set Rondo up for a misyeet, why shoot Rondo?

Like I don’t feel Mac legit trying to read me in particular.

Max feels like he stopped trying midway yesterday and hasn’t started trying again, right? It’s not just me?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:47 pm Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.

Help me please?

That’s a question because there’s a question mark at the end.

Part of me wants to just yeet Creature for not being his normal self. Part of me sees him as the most obvious misyeet ever. Game is really really hard.

Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:41 pm We shot Rondo because he is the most obvious town and everybody and their momma has been tinfoiling Mac/SPF/Bereft all of yesterday.

If anyone slipped, it's this.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:40 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:36 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:27 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:22 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:21 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:06 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:02 pm

Sean is starting to ping me. I feel he's laying an undue amount of burden at Mac's feet...and he talks about a rotten towncore, but is he not part of said core? It's not as tho he's been a major wagon or anything
I'm not laying an undue amount of burden at Mac's feet. My burden is with the group {SPF, Mac, Bereft}. I don't think the burden I've placed on that group as a whole is undue.
Of those 3, I choose SPF.
why?
What's your solve right now? Who are your top 3 sus and why plz?
my current view of the game is that i would be mildly surprised if the pool of sabi/creature/jack didn't contain at least two mafia

sabi because sabi is very talented at projecting towniness/solveiness when they are town, and they also have a tendency to get extremely invested into games when they are town and post a lot of content/thoughts without needing to think much about them

whereas sabi here feels a lot more timid, a lot less invested, and it feels like they are choosing their words carefully in the majority of posts that they do make. i think that if sabi was town, it would be eaiser to find them as town right now, which is why i want more pressure on them today in general

creature is in my immediate POE because he fits the archetype of a wolf who has aggressively pushed for the consensus while maintaining a comfortable/protected view in the gamestate. his reads have consistently contained a level of confidence and bravado that do not feel proportional to his solving, and that also do not feel proportional to how creature usually solves games as town

im also pretty convinced that if creature was town he would be throwing a fit about me/mac needing to be deepwolves right now instead of just kind of passively sitting back in the gamestate and voting me without really expressing a particularly coherent view of the game. i think creature's passivity in this gamestate could be explained by him just wanting us to continue burying each other alive

jack because his push on alison on d1 was illogical and bad faith, and the type of stuff he pushed on alison for is not the stuff i think jack!town would care about as someone who was already very familiar with alison. i also think that his primary intention for the last phase has been to pocket me, sit back, and watch us set ourselves on fire

im working it out beyond that but i think bereft/tutuu contains 1 and that it is likely to be tutuu
SPF, if it's me and Creature and the towncore of SPF/Tutuu/Mac is all townies...why the fuck did we shoot Rondo?

Stop being obnoxious.

I said I wanted to kill Creature yesterday. I said I'd kill Roxy if the towncore said so. And they did so we did.

I'm not avoiding responsibility for that. I voted Roxy. I didn't case someone else.

But thinking it's me and Creature is so blatantly wrong it's kinda gross.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:36 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:27 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:22 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:21 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:06 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:02 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:35 pm Seanzie/SPF/Falcon does probably in fact contain exactly one wolf was the only thing I gathered overnight.
Sean is starting to ping me. I feel he's laying an undue amount of burden at Mac's feet...and he talks about a rotten towncore, but is he not part of said core? It's not as tho he's been a major wagon or anything
I'm not laying an undue amount of burden at Mac's feet. My burden is with the group {SPF, Mac, Bereft}. I don't think the burden I've placed on that group as a whole is undue.
Of those 3, I choose SPF.
why?
What's your solve right now? Who are your top 3 sus and why plz?
my current view of the game is that i would be mildly surprised if the pool of sabi/creature/jack didn't contain at least two mafia

sabi because sabi is very talented at projecting towniness/solveiness when they are town, and they also have a tendency to get extremely invested into games when they are town and post a lot of content/thoughts without needing to think much about them

whereas sabi here feels a lot more timid, a lot less invested, and it feels like they are choosing their words carefully in the majority of posts that they do make. i think that if sabi was town, it would be eaiser to find them as town right now, which is why i want more pressure on them today in general

creature is in my immediate POE because he fits the archetype of a wolf who has aggressively pushed for the consensus while maintaining a comfortable/protected view in the gamestate. his reads have consistently contained a level of confidence and bravado that do not feel proportional to his solving, and that also do not feel proportional to how creature usually solves games as town

im also pretty convinced that if creature was town he would be throwing a fit about me/mac needing to be deepwolves right now instead of just kind of passively sitting back in the gamestate and voting me without really expressing a particularly coherent view of the game. i think creature's passivity in this gamestate could be explained by him just wanting us to continue burying each other alive

jack because his push on alison on d1 was illogical and bad faith, and the type of stuff he pushed on alison for is not the stuff i think jack!town would care about as someone who was already very familiar with alison. i also think that his primary intention for the last phase has been to pocket me, sit back, and watch us set ourselves on fire

im working it out beyond that but i think bereft/tutuu contains 1 and that it is likely to be tutuu

SPF, if it's me and Creature and the towncore of SPF/Tutuu/Mac is all townies...why the fuck did we shoot Rondo?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:33 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:23 pm Seanzie and Falcon, sell me on SPF being a wolf.
I'm not going to do that. I know I can't outargue the heavy hitters out there, and I've learned enough from mafia that when I'm the underdog in these sorts of situations, I shouldn't even try to case them, it will be torn to shreds and it will be written off by the town.

I leave it to you to convince yourself, or them to slip up.

SPF was my top townread yesterday. Obviously, there's something wrong in my worldview but "lol case them yourself" is not helpful.

I think you and Falcon are town anyway. Cause I don't think wolves do this. But gah if it is SPF, I'm not gonna get there on my own cause I don't see anything that looks dishonest as opposed to just wrong.

I voted Creature and then immediately unvoted. Idk what to do.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:27 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:26 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:24 pm How is tutuu being a wolf ignored in all of this.
WHY is Tutuu a wolf?
Maybe you should read the game you're pretending to try and solve

Such hostility.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:28 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:23 pm Seanzie and Falcon, sell me on SPF being a wolf.
I'm not selling anything, I picked a player out of 3 that were presented.

Okay. Why SPF about of those three then?

Like if I'm jetisoning a strong townread, it's Mac, not SPF or Tutuu. Mac has been erratic and thrown out random accusations.

But why aren't any of those three dead? I didn't miss another mass redirect did I?

Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:24 pm How is tutuu being a wolf ignored in all of this.

WHY is Tutuu a wolf?

Seanzie and Falcon, sell me on SPF being a wolf.

If I'm gonna hold onto one read, it's "SPF town."

If I'm gonna hold onto two reads, the other is "Creature wolf."

But that's like....exactly the status quo that wolves don't care at all to upset. Game is hard.

I don't want to jetison my reads but I feel like I'm lemminging off a cliff.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:26 pm Seanzie your appraisal of this gamestate is egregious. Bereft and SPF are the only people whose reads actually make sense. Why are you pushing into us 3 and not Jack/Tutuu/Wilgy and other actual wolfy players?
If multiple days go by with a rockstar twoncore and no wolves die, the rockstar towncore is rotten.

And no shots in the rockstar towncore either.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:20 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:17 pm @Seanzie @Creature talk to be about SPF
If there aren't at least two wolves in SPF/Mac/Bereft, the game makes no sense.

Lemme stop you right there.

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