The Syndicate

No. I’m just really attached to reads I’m sure aren’t multitasking mistakes.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:16 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:52 pm i mean you're taking the interpretation that we can trust (an interpretation of) what falcon said but that we also can't trust it because lying is in his interest. you can't have both. if he's telling the truth he's telling the truth.

No, he’s just predictably lying.

I don't want to discuss this further because game integrity wrt modkill reasons but I find this perspective to be not really correct. alison had already claimed a role that falcon needed dead, he doesn't need to say that he checked her in that case

Okay fair but Alison is still prty townie

The choices are not “trust 100%” or “ignore.”

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:52 pm i mean you're taking the interpretation that we can trust (an interpretation of) what falcon said but that we also can't trust it because lying is in his interest. you can't have both. if he's telling the truth he's telling the truth.

No, he’s just predictably lying.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:40 pm if there are 3 then either alison is the slaver or martin is a wolf

What?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:45 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:43 pm Alison still can’t be the slaver because they were still “peeked as the slaver” by a player whose wincon doesn’t include eliminating the Slaver.

we don't know any of this

That’s what Falcon said.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:43 pm Alison still can’t be the slaver because they were still “peeked as the slaver” by a player whose wincon doesn’t include eliminating the Slaver.

And that does include eliminating the town role Alison claimed.

Alison still can’t be the slaver because they were still “peeked as the slaver” by a player whose wincon doesn’t include eliminating the Slaver.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:37 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:36 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Spoiler: show

Is this a serious vote or am I just trying to tilt Chopchop?

Spoiler: show

Guess you’ll have to wait and see.

Spoiler: show

Mostly serious.

Why were you voting TSP? I was about to look into it, but you're here, and you just changed it.

Poe/Chop urging/gut.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:35 pm the thing about poes is there are like six names and four are right but there's an outsized effort to choose the wrong two

By who on who?

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Yeah, Epi’s role is super clear. I just wanted to see LC’s thoughts for LC.

LC, what’s your Epi case?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:23 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:11 am Martin’s right though it’s wrong to hold votes on Chop until/unless someone claims BoS

Why is that again? I may have skimmed/glazed on the Brotherhood of Steel stuff, except that I think Dom thinks BoS is a new Mafia term.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:46 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:29 am Re-read Jack's progression and the context of some of his reads for D4 (including the fact that he had a whole reads-wall on SoD4) maybe I'm judging him a bit too harshly. I kinda wonder what made me (on his reads) jump from an "Idk" to a "Projecting town" thing by mid D2, @Jackofhearts2005 do you remember why?

[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

For now.

I didn’t pay attention to you D1 and you seemed to be projecting town by mid D2.

.....you realize that the "D2" there was a typo and I corrected it to Mid/late D4 right?

Time is an illusion.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:29 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:25 pm it doesn’t make sense for Chop to do that.

this makes more sense as an argument for why he would tbh

Why? Wolves go off script if something bad happens.

Like Daisy unexpectedly rejecting a notepass.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:26 pm Poisyn is pretty good. They should hydra.

What about Uristofhearts?

The best I can do is team with Golden and be like “HeartofGold” or something.

I missed Syn’s claim. Link or recap?

Poisyn is pretty good. They should hydra.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:17 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:15 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:08 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:07 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:04 pm at some point we should talk about how Made didn't claim until an hour after spacedaisy showed up to the thread

really limiting team combos here

you know it's possible that chopchop isn't even a messenger, we only have spacedaisy's word lol

No. We’re not tinfoiling Daisy’s only action as a gambit to make us almost yeet her partner Chop several days running. That’s not only a bad play but it’s not Daisy’s wolf style at all. Her style (as I remember it as I haven’t seen it in awhile) is to project reasonable town midcard, not to wifom gambit.

tbf though, it's entirely within the realm of plausibility that chopchop went off script by claiming

Let’s follow that to it’s reasonable conclusion though.

There is no wolf note passer or they didn’t do anything or they passed to a dead player. Daisy claims to have received a note from “Luke” asking her to claim and then shouts about it to self clear. Then, Chop on his own decides to claim responsibility for the notepass that he knows doesn’t exist because ??? and then after almost getting yeeted for claiming something that isn’t confirming if believed and that he can’t even prove he did, he elects to admit to targeting a dead townie to explain away a shot of the power he doesn’t have?

That’s still Daisy playing entirely not her style and it doesn’t make sense for Chop to do that.

Like in “Chop goes off script” world (which I don’t think we’re in) it’s Chop trying to fool town (or I guess Slaver) Daisy and then he panics when she throws a fit. Daisy’s still not a wolf in that scenario.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:06 pm But let’s be honest, I’m just talking to 2 wolves right?

Is this aimed at me/Tony?

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:08 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:07 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:04 pm at some point we should talk about how Made didn't claim until an hour after spacedaisy showed up to the thread

really limiting team combos here

you know it's possible that chopchop isn't even a messenger, we only have spacedaisy's word lol

No. We’re not tinfoiling Daisy’s only action as a gambit to make us almost yeet her partner Chop several days running. That’s not only a bad play but it’s not Daisy’s wolf style at all. Her style (as I remember it as I haven’t seen it in awhile) is to project reasonable town midcard, not to wifom gambit.

Lol I forgot to even place my Marmit vote on the poll.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:01 pm actually i do shoot sloonei because I always shoot sloonei but don't pay attention to that and i probably shoot sloonei night 1 so regardless

Lol. Gottem.

[VOTE: Tony] aubergine

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:04 pm at some point we should talk about how Made didn't claim until an hour after spacedaisy showed up to the thread

What?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:04 pm Ngl my main hesitation in voting Tony is that I feel like I should have a solid read on him and he says I should townread him and I’d be kinda embarrassed to misyeet him.

That’s not a good reason to actually townread him.

Otoh, I could read the “we’ve played together for years and you should know better” as tmi that I’m town.

Or I could of course yeet him for being the slaver.

Those cases are mutually exclusive but they cover a lot of ground.

Ngl my main hesitation in voting Tony is that I feel like I should have a solid read on him and he says I should townread him and I’d be kinda embarrassed to misyeet him.

That’s not a good reason to actually townread him.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:49 pm Mmmm. I too never kill the players the mafia killed for vague reasons.

Ok yeah your probably wolf with Tony.

Because I sarcastically rejected his attempt to self clear via kill meta?

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:58 pm i would satisfy tony any time

I would too but I’d recommend yeeting you to validate you’re who you say you are.

Kyle, vote Epi so I can tell you why you’re wrong.

Mmmm. I too never kill the players the mafia killed for vague reasons.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:47 pm if i claim slaver with a role cop on chop would anyone believe me

This is pretty tilting tho.

Linki but seriously how many wolves are we thinking? We’ve only chopped one Enclave right?

Lol I’m feeling a lot of pressure here.

Let’s go [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine for now and see where things go.

How many wolves are left probably?

Townlean.

I’m probably at like

Green
Jack
Epi
Alison
Urist
Chop
Martin
Daisy

Light Green
Poison/Syn
Dom
Grogu
Kyle

Yellow
Tony
Marmot
LC

Me: Do I townread Marmot here on his own merits or based on another game? Let me check.

Jack’s ISO: Read list blah blah blah Marmot - I think I townread Marmit but I might be thinking of another game.

Thanks, past me. Very helpful.

A little more digging shows that I mind melded a bit with Marmot over the idea that Chop’s D1 push on me was bad but since I now believe Chop to be town, that’s not as convincing wrt Marmot’s alignment. I’ll dig some more into him later but he’s still in the poe for me.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:13 pm Tfw you have to iso yourself because you’re sure you trust Marmot, Kyle and LC but that might be in an alternate universe.

Yeah, not sure why you trust me, I've slanked lately.

I’m trying not to talk about other games is what I’m saying.

Tfw you have to iso yourself because you’re sure you trust Marmot, Kyle and LC but that might be in an alternate universe.

What are you talking about? I’m so townie I literally can’t rand wolf lately. Qed.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:05 pm quote=Marmot post_id=752646 time=1615662230 user_id=288
Kyle, you've proven to be poor at performing that particular task on at least one occasion
/quote

only because I was holding back

now you can see my true power

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:21 pm Urist is almost certainly not w/w with Made. Made made a point of needling Urist repeatedly and Urist did not appear to be in on it

I think Urist is town but I think this is dangerous reasoning. Made replaced into a slot that had been essentially been read peeked. He was in antispew for his whole career.

Poison seems like they want to yeet Tony. So why kill him?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:58 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:41 pm yeah poison always shoots me and I'm still alive

Why?

check out that iso

Do I have to?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:41 pm yeah poison always shoots me and I'm still alive

Why?

Why are there votes on Kyle atp?

ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:36 am Hey
@Jackofhearts2005
Since everyone has seemed to ignore you since D2 onwards let me enlighten you!
I think that you could be scum.
What if I told you that I took a sneak peek, and your scum.
What if I told you that you never receive this low of suspicion unless your scum.
What if I told you that I haven’t seen much from you and what exactly can you do to show me you have been Townie this game?

I’d tell you that’s mechanically impossible because I’m not and you claimed a role that iirc, doesn’t have peeks.

I’d tell you that your knowledge of my meta is out of date.

I’d refer you to my entire iso.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:29 am Re-read Jack's progression and the context of some of his reads for D4 (including the fact that he had a whole reads-wall on SoD4) maybe I'm judging him a bit too harshly. I kinda wonder what made me (on his reads) jump from an "Idk" to a "Projecting town" thing by mid D2, @Jackofhearts2005 do you remember why?

[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

For now.

I didn’t pay attention to you D1 and you seemed to be projecting town by mid D2.

He asks on night 4