The Syndicate

It’s obviously Jay and Sloonei. Like annoyingly obviously Jay and Sloonei.

Cheeky “so let me bus him” is what townie Jack says, not townie Jay.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:57 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:47 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:13 am How the fuck does my behavior today point to me being on master’s team, what?????

It doesn’t and that’s not what I said. Process of elimination and your interactions suggest you are on that team. Your behavior today is independently suspicious.

so in other words you can't pin me on any team but i'm scummy and should get lynched. even though you don't have any team mates set up with me.

Yet you can’t make a GMan scum team without Jay.

Great, let me bus him then.

No. I want you, “granny.”

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:11 pm Ok, I'll vote Jay only if you guys follow me on G-man if you're wrong

how's that?

i'm compromising.

i want verbal confirmation.

Agreed. Now vote Jay.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:47 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:13 am How the fuck does my behavior today point to me being on master’s team, what?????

It doesn’t and that’s not what I said. Process of elimination and your interactions suggest you are on that team. Your behavior today is independently suspicious.

so in other words you can't pin me on any team but i'm scummy and should get lynched. even though you don't have any team mates set up with me.

Yet you can’t make a GMan scum team without Jay.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:05 pm This jay lynch gives me the Heebie-jeebies

at this point he can be just anti-monitor or town

no way that's an all-town wagon

This GMan wagon gives me the heebie jeebies.

It’s biggest proponent admits there’s no case, yet it just shot past the wagon of a wolf with two teammates.

[mention]juliets[/mention] we’re lynching Jay. Think about it and get with the program.

The mark for lynching Ted, like the mark for lynching GMan, is not "I can't think of a reason why he's town."

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:26 pm I mean, if it's Jay, Sloonei, GMan, I don't see the problem.

It’s not.

Suppose it's Jay. Who else?

I mean, if it's Jay, Sloonei, GMan, I don't see the problem.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:21 am G-man did do scummy things though

and saying just because the low posters were in a major proportion town doesn't clear the remaining ones in the slightest.

I don't even know what you're stringing jimmy for, I do remember his TH interaction being terribad but I wouldn't lynch just on that tbh.

I'm not clearing GMan in the slightest either.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:05 am He's just not doing anything man and as soon as we let the leash off him he's been way too comfortable, make a contrast between his early game where he had to make a whole shtick for a whole day phase in order to fend off suspicion and now when he's not even talked about.

TH and Sprityo didn't do much of anything and were town.

Tranq hasn't done much of anything and he's very likely town.

We can't afford to lynch on a basis of activity level when there are players doing scummy things.

Speed will probably be the easiest player to read after Jay flips.

I'm considering most of what happens after the Jay wagon was built as possible wine. Like I don't care about Jay and Speed fighting now or Jay and Sloonei fighting now.

I'm about 80% sure Jay is scum. Which is a compliment!

I'm totally prepared to dig into Speed, Sloonei and GMan should I be correct. I'm just thinking one thing at a time.

Winning strategy might be lynch a master -> lynch antimonitor -> lynch master -> lynch master.

I'm not worried about the last neutral at all.

Should probably read Dizzy to figure out what role they had. Could make a difference.

I'm also under the impression that Dom had BTSC with both Epi and Dizzy, which should increase the chances of them being town and mostly roughly clear them of being Antimonitor because Antimonitor had no safeclaim as far as I can tell and the bodies are piling up.

[mention]Michelle[/mention] the more you can post the better. I townread you. I don't want a repeat of Danganronpa where I incorrectly POE you and I really don't want a repeat of Mountainous (which was an amazing game nontheless) or Girl Genius where I give you the benefit of the doubt until it's too late. Ie keep doing what you're doing right now.

And Dizzy was shot by the other mafia. They were town.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:22 am Dizzy didn’t flip anything, for all we know he could’ve been the antimonitor tbh

Antimonitor is bulletproof.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:50 am gosh darn it if it’s Jack

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:32 pm If everyone has suspected speedchuck forever for every position why has he not been lynched yet?

This is a real question.

Bigger fish etc.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:38 am

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:02 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:48 am

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:44 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:25 am

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:01 am Tex/Michelle are my early town read
Jay and nanook early meh reada

Tex vs JJJ as opposed AI for Sig

oppinions?

Michelle, my apologies but can you explain a little more what your statement means?

I didn't say on purpose my oppinion.

What do you think /feel reading that post?

Well, I don't think Jay is anti-monitor because of his vote record so I think he is trying to shade Jay and Nanook as opposed to distancing from Jay.

@TonyStarkPrime
@Epignosis ,
@speedchuck ,
@Tranq ,
@Jackofhearts2005
What do you think?

I think in isolation, I'm not going to worry too much about that post. I think Jay is in the master mafia anyhow.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:27 pm Reminder to self during thesis window: review Epignosis and Jack for sig connections. Revisit Mac. Align full game theory. Middle finger haters.

Tfw you find a wolf’s to do list.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:51 pm Sure it is. Infodumping in BTSC is allowed per the rules page.

It only takes one lie and that house of cards goes boom.

If you say so.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:34 pm Why are Dom's reads gospel?

@juliets @Jackofhearts2005

Cause he had btsc with players and seemed to trust them based on that as much or more than his in thread reads.

Which of his reads are incorrect?

The read I continue to try to sort is Epignosis. I don't know why Dom liked him. BTSC is an avenue to discuss the game and develop general feelings, but it's not markedly better than the thread itself for discerning truth.

You'd do well to get out of your laughter emoji mindset. If you're a civilian you're setting us up for a loss.

Sure it is. Infodumping in BTSC is allowed per the rules page.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:34 pm Why are Dom's reads gospel?

@juliets @Jackofhearts2005

Cause he had btsc with players and seemed to trust them based on that as much or more than his in thread reads.

Which of his reads are incorrect?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:52 pm Jack, vote G-man and if i'm wrong i'm giving you my face masks

I don't want your face masks. I want to skewer Jay like I skewered Mac.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:47 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:46 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:37 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:10 pm ted's question is valid one. The best evidence that I am not a Master teamer is that I don't fit with anyone else in this damn poll.

For serious

Sloonei and GMan.

Is that exactly the team? I think you're at best 1 out of 3 there.

Guess we'll find out.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:37 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:10 pm ted's question is valid one. The best evidence that I am not a Master teamer is that I don't fit with anyone else in this damn poll.

For serious

Sloonei and GMan.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:31 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:31 pm Civilians who think I am on Mac's team:

Build a team of three among living players that includes me and then reconcile that with your general reads.

I'm not your guy.

Civilians who think I am on sig's team:

If I had my way he'd have been dead on Day 3 before the Inception shenanigans even happened.

I'm not your guy.

Who is the anti-monitor?

Who cares? He's alone. The three player team is the threat.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:10 pm ted's question is valid one. The best evidence that I am not a Master teamer is that I don't fit with anyone else in this damn poll.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:09 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:56 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:42 pm Although something bothers me which is the fact that he's pinning me for an anti-monitor witch hunt while saying I pay no attention to master team and no world building but he's never pinned me to any actual alleged team mates or anything of that sort.

Click

Was talking about like who was scum other than flipped players.

shouldn't you be like growing weary of people wagonning you if you were town here? you suspect me, don't you think my team would be on you as of right now?

you're so...limp.

that's what I meant by you pinning me to other monitor team scums. the ones that are still alive.

Oh Ted. Jay never worries. And then if we think you’re the Anti-Monitor, then you have no teammates to pile on Jay.

We?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:06 pm Jay voters: what team is he on?

Masters/Mac's.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:56 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:42 pm Although something bothers me which is the fact that he's pinning me for an anti-monitor witch hunt while saying I pay no attention to master team and no world building but he's never pinned me to any actual alleged team mates or anything of that sort.

Click

Was talking about like who was scum other than flipped players.

shouldn't you be like growing weary of people wagonning you if you were town here? you suspect me, don't you think my team would be on you as of right now?

you're so...limp.

that's what I meant by you pinning me to other monitor team scums. the ones that are still alive.

Yeh.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:51 pm G-man still, speed still , maybe Jack

jack, did you ever play a scum game with me? pretty sure you did. i mean, a game where i was scum and you town.

p-edit : was talking about J^3

Pretty sure we've only ever been town together.

Mountainous, Danganronpa and the other Danganronpa.

Also for two seconds when I was fighting Jay he was like “maybe you’re the Antimonitor” and that felt really fake.

During the dream day, there was consensus among townies like Dom, myself and probablytown Epi and probably agreed with us Tony that Jay was bad.

He came out of dream day pushing hard on a townie and while I still felt bad about him, I couldn’t express why and what I could express pointed to him being town. I said something like “Okay but if TH is town, Jay is a wolf.” And after we double lynched two townies and I was feeling super unmotivated, Jay was there like “come on let’s lynch the next townie!”

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:34 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:30 pm @Epignosis @Jackofhearts2005 @TonyStarkPrime @Tranq @speedchuck

Could you tell me maybe the top 3 reasons Jay looks bad to you? My town reads are voting for him so I'm paying attention.

1) POE
2) Leading us in the wrong direction including opportunistic push on TH when the dream ended
3) Voting like Mac’s teammate
4) Sudden realization of hints about how Dom used his abilities taking someone out of the poe and leaving it with a logical wolfteam including Jay

And the Ted push is more of the same.

Jay is conducting.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:30 pm @Epignosis @Jackofhearts2005 @TonyStarkPrime @Tranq @speedchuck

Could you tell me maybe the top 3 reasons Jay looks bad to you? My town reads are voting for him so I'm paying attention.

1) POE
2) Leading us in the wrong direction including opportunistic push on TH when the dream ended
3) Voting like Mac’s teammate
4) Sudden realization of hints about how Dom used his abilities taking someone out of the poe and leaving it with a logical wolfteam including Jay

I thought vanilla died and I put Deedee in.

Plus whoever Dys was.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:22 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:00 pm Current living roles are iirc


Town:
Monitor
Agatha
Abed
Deedee
Bill

Wolf
Master
Bari
Serena

Mafia
Antimonitor

Indy
Akechi

Ten roles. 11 players.

Did I just forget a town role?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:19 pm Town/Indy
Jack
Juliets
Tony
Michelle
Tranq
Epi
???

Wolf
Jay
Sloonei
???

Other wolf
???

To be placed: Speed, Ted, GMan

Town/Indy
Jack
Juliets
Tony
Michelle
Tranq
???
???

Wolf
Jay
???
???

Other wolf
???

To be placed: Sloonei, Speed, Epi, Ted, GMan

Gth Jay putting Tranq as town is tmi/wifom. Tranq actually looks pretty town on rereview.

Derp.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

Gottem.

Current living roles are iirc


Town:
Monitor
Agatha
Abed
Deedee
Bill

Wolf
Master
Bari
Serena

Mafia
Antimonitor

Indy
Akechi

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:06 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:01 am My gut says if we’re being lead down the wrong path, it’s by Jay and that if someone is putting in the right effort at the right times to avoid lynch, it’s Sloonei.

I have a history of pushing on these players when they’re townies.

I thought Jay was obviously bad the last time I saw him being bad but I was already dead by then. He was pushing bad cases. Idk of the TH one counts. (Frustrating when townies allow themselves to be lynched. We can’t all be me.)

I’m gonna have to do my own isos n shit.

agree on gut. But I think Jay’s recent sorting list seems mostly accurate to how I feel on the rest of the crowd— something that would be WIFOMy but wouldn’t be the case if he were scum.

Tranq is the player that stands way out fromJay’s list and consensus.

Idkwhat it means for Tranq ifJay is a wolf.

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:25 am Mafia:
JaggedJimmyJay
Sloonei
speedchuck
tedxtr

These are my best guesses. Would be ok with lynching any of them.

Lol I hope this is distancing because of it is, it’s so good. Just a basic “slap my team in the face”distancing.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:24 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:48 am

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:28 am RIP Dom, I hate that you are gone.

I'm going to modify - I think it was Jack's statement - a little bit. Dom trusted me but I don't have the same trust in speed as I do in Jack and Epi.

I am most persuaded by Jack's argument that one of Epi or ted (or Jack I guess) must be bad or the main layer from Inception day contained no one who was bad. That just seems impossible to me. I'm going to put a vote on ted now but I'm still listening and digging.

I don’t think that’s necessarily the case.

You trust Epi. And you still trust Jay?

So who else is town?

Jack, are you saying you don't think it's necessarily the case that one of Epi or ted are bad? Or something else?

Town
juliets
Jack
Epi
Michelle
Tony or Jay

3P
Sloonei

Mafia
Ted - potential Anti-Monitor
Tranq - Masters
G-Man - Masters
Tony or Jay - Masters

Ugh, I am not wild about this list. I didn't look to see if Tony's play could be as a Master because I did this list from the gut, so I have to check that out. I really want to make he and Jay good. And G-Man, I wish I could remember his play as well as Dom and S~V~S. I will look back on what they said and see if Dom in particular came around on him. Also, there are a couple of things I wish I could say but I don't know if they are against the rules. I'll ask LC.

Yeah, I’m not sure one has to be the Antimonitor.

When your phone believes “townread” is a proper noun and keeps trying to capitalize it.

Still not as bad as it autocorrecting the accent into Pokémon.

I kinda want to lynch Tranq.

He’s the player I have least reason to townread.

Jay has seemingly ignored Tranq and Speed.

He’ll have an issue with that characterization but whatever.

[mention]juliets[/mention] [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] [mention]G-Man[/mention] I would love to see your lists in the format Jay have. Gut solve the whole game right now.