The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:04 pm I'm also bothered by the lack of votes in this day.

If Jay is bad, it would make sense for there to be some counter-wagon by now (maybe Wilgy is the counter wagon?). And I don't like how everyone who is voting for Jay is someone I'm currently townreading (well there is Jack, but I like current Jack more than Day 1 Jack so i'm still on the fence about him). Maybe mafia is just watching from afar, since the civs are doing their dirty work for them. So they don't need to expose themselves, by making bussing too obvious or risking discussion going against them.

Suspected JJJ teammates: Mal, Speed, Dunya

One voting Jimmy, one voting away from Jimmy. Two not voting.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:05 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:26 pm Can I please request a link to a past game with a typical civvie Jay

Also while you're at it can I see a game with a baddie dunya, please

Jay once replaced into an HCRealms game and doubled the town's post count and found the whole mafia in one day phase. It was embarrassing.

(This story is actually true. L)

[mention]dunya[/mention]

Re: Jack ignoring things

You'll notice I'm responding to things from page 74 and 80. I've been doing this all game because I do mostly play on my phone while at work.

Idk if that changes anything for you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:08 am Jack, having just stolen my ship and marooned me on a desert island with speedchuck as your partner, what is your opinion of him in this game?

Bad.

There's no smoking gun like him shooting Wilgy and then no lynch last game but he feels way too passive. More like Pirates Speed than any other version of Speed.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:06 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:05 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:26 pm Can I please request a link to a past game with a typical civvie Jay

Also while you're at it can I see a game with a baddie dunya, please

Jay once replaced into an HCRealms game and doubled the town's post count and found the whole mafia in one day phase. It was embarrassing.

(This story is actually true. L)

too be fair i'd already caught one of them but nobody would listen because my methods were weird and foreign.

Also you were caught up on some mechanical stuff.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:39 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:34 pm I guess since you're possibly the least biased on the topic then Sloonei may I ask you to describe Dunya's baddie history?

I don't have a good description. The site we played at has been defunct for a few years now and she wasn't bad regularly. Her town game was characterized by crazy good intuition and palpable sincerity, but again, this was a few years ago. Her baddie game, I think, would be a bit more reserved, as sincerity is a hard thing to fake.

I'm currently reading her as town.

I think this still describes Dunya's town game, especially the second one.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:26 pm Can I please request a link to a past game with a typical civvie Jay

Also while you're at it can I see a game with a baddie dunya, please

Jay once replaced into an HCRealms game and doubled the town's post count and found the whole mafia in one day phase. It was embarrassing.

(This story is actually true. L)

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:35 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:25 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:51 am I think the votes moved off of Jack because the case around him kind of crumbled. It could be that there were opportunistic scum on his bandwagon, but I don't get any impressions of him being saved. But I've changed my mind on him about 8000 times this game, so who knows?

I disagree, Epignosis had an important role in saving Jack in that lynch. It was his push that made it all start happening in the end there.

Shit Epi they're onto us!



But seriously, LC. You don't see my halo and my spikey shoes? The case can't keep twisting and turning to fit whatever new tinfoil should arise.

Can you explain what you mean here?

Sloonei said he thought the votes moved off you because the case crumbled. I reminded him of Epignosis' non-case-related reasons to not vote for you. Then you accuse me of "twisting and turning" for some tinfoil case?

That reaction just looks so bad to me.

The case is nothingness. It's reaching for slips and it's "this post is weird." It's all tone and gut, even if you don't want to admit it.

Epi decided to not vote for me. Daisy and Eloh started tone reading me good.

The case twists because when the first nonslip is rejected by enough people, we come up with a new slip. I'm buddies with Jimmy per Dunya. I'm buddies with Epi now per you. Earlier I was buddies with Bob and I think I was accused of being buddies with Speed twice.

It's all bullshit. Tone reads for the townies (play more better) and frame ups for the baddies (play more better).

Why does my reaction look bad?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:12 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:56 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:49 pm Is his thumb farting?

he's flipping a shiny gold coin he earned presumably by gambling or solving crimes or something

I can never get over the Spritework in BW2.

It's too good.

I'm halfway through Kanto in (Liquid) Crystal. Got a little more than 200 Pokeymans. So I'm super excited to play BW2 in 2056.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:51 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:09 pm I'm actually not having a jolly ol time. I'm sick. I still have work this week...which is good with Christmas coming, but I have a cold, so not fun. Every time I read a page even when caught up, there is another page to read. And when I go to sleep, I wake up like 10 pages behind. I cannot think straight 'cause I'm sick. Went to the store to get meds and left my phone, that's how much I can't think straight. Sloon is being nit picky with me. I think he expects more from me than I can intellectually give. I'm not an intellectual like so many of you here. I play for fun and to try to keep my mind as sharp as possible as I age. Did I mention I'm sick and feel like crap. My meds didn't even seem to help.

I don't feel a scum eloh would manipulate us in this way, writing a paragraph+ about how ill she feels. I feel this was a genuine cry of frustration. She got really sick, and got behind in the thread. I'm moving Eloh to higher town read now.

If Eloh complaining (which is fine, I don't begrudge) about being busy/tired/sick/not caught up makes her town, Eloh is always town.

I think she's really town but this isn't why.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:51 am I think the votes moved off of Jack because the case around him kind of crumbled. It could be that there were opportunistic scum on his bandwagon, but I don't get any impressions of him being saved. But I've changed my mind on him about 8000 times this game, so who knows?

I disagree, Epignosis had an important role in saving Jack in that lynch. It was his push that made it all start happening in the end there.

Shit Epi they're onto us!



But seriously, LC. You don't see my halo and my spikey shoes? The case can't keep twisting and turning to fit whatever new tinfoil should arise.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:48 pm I watched Get Out twice. Really great.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:00 pm So here's the problem I have with Dunya. And in general.

I try to be really aware of my tunneling instinct so I gut re-evaluate my suspects as I go. When I go a few rounds with someone and we both back off, I tend to townread them for no good reason. Also, I tend to be able to scare people off.

This is really convenient for scum Jack. In ME, me and SVS did this a few times and as long as I discredited her enough, she stayed off me and I could pretend we were both burying the hatchet for a phase. Cause I didn't actually need to figure SVS out.

Now I'm feeling the same with Dunya but I do need to figure out her alignment. I've toyed with townreading her because she's not likely w/w based on yesterday.....but I've previously theorized that she was w/w with Jimmy after she made a fakey Jack/Jimmy scumteam theory.

So idk. I want to townread Dunya but realistically, nothing has changed.

(Things have changed with DDL so that's nice. Bob, enjoy orbiting my null read spot.)

Are there any other similarities to other games where you were scum that you'd like to share anecdotes about?

Once upon a time, I was bad and snarky and wearing a shirt. Now I'm also snarky and wearing a shirt.

Phenom me vs Quin right before I got shot was kinda similar to this, too. I think I said there was a 40% chance Quin was good. I meant like 60% but I didn't want to get shot for backing down. Got shot anyway.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:08 pmI was hoping to get the ball rolling on the legwork.

Yeah but I was hoping to leave and watch the critically acclaimed movie "Get Out" followed by "IT is the thing.

I don't like going deep into scumhunting during night phase or even naming reads at night to be honest. Your whole approach toward me during night made me uncomfortable.

Get Out is soooooo good.

Voting JJJ.

Obviously and offhandedly.

So here's the problem I have with Dunya. And in general.

I try to be really aware of my tunneling instinct so I gut re-evaluate my suspects as I go. When I go a few rounds with someone and we both back off, I tend to townread them for no good reason. Also, I tend to be able to scare people off.

This is really convenient for scum Jack. In ME, me and SVS did this a few times and as long as I discredited her enough, she stayed off me and I could pretend we were both burying the hatchet for a phase. Cause I didn't actually need to figure SVS out.

Now I'm feeling the same with Dunya but I do need to figure out her alignment. I've toyed with townreading her because she's not likely w/w based on yesterday.....but I've previously theorized that she was w/w with Jimmy after she made a fakey Jack/Jimmy scumteam theory.

So idk. I want to townread Dunya but realistically, nothing has changed.

(Things have changed with DDL so that's nice. Bob, enjoy orbiting my null read spot.)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:38 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:28 pm Kylemii

I didn't like his push on Jack, I don't feel like he's solving, and I don't want to tunnel in on JJJ this early in the phase.

I'm not all the way caught up (really wish Votes were tracked because I didn't see the apparent Jimmy save at all, just the Domalakim one) but I also think Kyle looks worse.

I actually didn't get any pings for his back and forth with me (can see why others might). Rather, it's his back and forth with Epi and Sloonei that I think Kyle comes out looking bad from.

I was a bit concerned by Kyle's seeming backtracking after he named Jay as a suspect last nught. He then gave a reason and proceeded to discredit that reason over the course of our conversation.
Overall though, I thought he seemed genuine. I'm just not sure what to make of his Jay treatment.

That plus his not treating Domalakim the same as Jimmy.

If Jimmy is bad for saving Domalakim, Domalakim is bad too. But when you asked for his thoughts on Dom he was like "What thoughts on Dom?"

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:51 am I think the votes moved off of Jack because the case around him kind of crumbled. It could be that there were opportunistic scum on his bandwagon, but I don't get any impressions of him being saved. But I've changed my mind on him about 8000 times this game, so who knows?

That's cause it was crunchy chips ahoy to begin with.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:28 pm Kylemii

I didn't like his push on Jack, I don't feel like he's solving, and I don't want to tunnel in on JJJ this early in the phase.

I'm not all the way caught up (really wish Votes were tracked because I didn't see the apparent Jimmy save at all, just the Domalakim one) but I also think Kyle looks worse.

I actually didn't get any pings for his back and forth with me (can see why others might). Rather, it's his back and forth with Epi and Sloonei that I think Kyle comes out looking bad from.

Quin's good too

I don't think J is bad with Dunya or Quin.

Bad Jimmy and bad Quin don't team up to save bad Dom. That's really dangerous for little return, given Dom has been inactive.

I still think Wuin is good.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:20 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:09 am @Kylemii

I like your new Carmen Sandiego avatar.

Thought that was some Pokemon character.

Upon closer inspection, its Roy Mustang.

[mention]Kylemii[/mention]

I like your new Carmen Sandiego avatar.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:34 pm what is the hobgoblin?

It's like a regular goblin only bigger and orange.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:51 pm

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:42 pm For the record, far too early for me (got to page 11) to get any sort of good reads yet, BUT when you talk about lynching a player spot immediately after they've been replaced? That seems fairly scummy to me. Especially with the meta-logic of "well, they were replaced so they must be mafia" which is, frankly, crap logic.

Nutella, aside from the fact that Dom was completely inert, why am I bad?
Dunya, likewise.

If I'm locked into dying via lynch in the next couple days (which definitely helps the mafia narrow down who they don't have to bother NKing)... I'd like to know why at least. Consider it a professional courtesy.

(Normally I'd just defend myself, but I'm curious what their reasoning is in lynching someone who is going to actually be active in the game going forward?)

I have no reason to suspect you other than basic statistics and probability at this point in time. Also that fucking SF game

I won't be scrambling to lynch you any time soon. Please, get comfortable and show us your pearly white peak.

SF! That's the other time I knew you were good.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:36 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:40 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:39 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:37 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:33 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:31 am To what degree do you believe in your case?
why is mesk a better lynch than elohcin and dom?

I believe in my Elohcin case enough to want to lynch her.

Mesk is not a better lynch than Elohcin. Mesk is a better lynch than Dom because the low-poster motivation suits both of them, while only the former's content features tangible reasons for suspicion.

Bullshit. The latter has no content to compare.

That's the point. -1 is less than 0.

can you see no town conviction behind mesk's posts?

Why if you hated voting for her and seemed to see some towniness in Mesk, did you vote for her? I mean, I get the general feel of why but why her over Dom in your case? Please and thank you.

my vote for mesk was purely a means to prevent vote shenanigans. I don't like ties and I didn't want any unforeseen last second changes to the lynch result. All the votes were piling on Mesk so I padded her lead. It was not a lynch that I wanted, but at this stage in the game I wanted a clean lynch more than anything. It probably wasn't the best strategic move.

I'm still behind on the thread and not getting caught up at the moment. I'll have a lot of free time later this evening and hopefully then I can start making confident reads.

I don't get this mentality

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:24 pm Jack, your opinion of speedchuck would be one of the most relevant now. You were scumbuddies in Pirates. How is his general presence in this game pinging you?

Pretty similar.

Two things I noticed in Pirates.

1) Speed was comfortable being suspected and coasting as long as he wasn't top lynch guy. He'd not throw out enough reads to look fake supatown but rather supply them as if they were a daily vitamin. Give once a day to keep the townies away. Doing that here, too.

2) Didn't mind pushing junk lynches like the no lynch and Wilgy. That hasn't happened here.

I gut read him bad and then waver when he coasts or says nice things about me.

I think he's bad but maybe...3rd or 4th top suspect.

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:56 pm Sake for me Bob and Mal

Well, JoH is scum because he's posting.

Mal is scum because he is always scum

Dunya ISO point by point part 2

Dunya ISO, point by point

Dunya claims to think Mesk is an inactive townie, not scum.
Reference: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 04#p383704
Dunya's read on Mesk remains consistent. Mesk wasn't a teammate and could have been an easy lynch if bad. The only bit that rings false here is Dunya claiming to have done ISOs but also claims to not know number of scum, K2's role, be way behind, etc. Seems ISOs aren't called for yet but this could be a playatyle thing.

Verdict: Not fake

Dunya claims to think scumteam is 3 people. Ergo, she is not scum because scum would know how many teammates they have.
Reference: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 18#p384018
Dunya's first post is "Gonna find those darn small mountains." Ergo, she's at least looked at the front page one way or the other. Additionally, when she makes this "mistake" she is literally quoting me pointing out that I thought there were 3 mafia but then realized there were 4. I find it unreasonable that between reading my post and responding to it that she forgot how many baddies there are.

Verdict: Fake




Since I'm on mobile, gonna post this as I go for fear of losing walls of text. Will spoiler combine them later.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:24 pm Nutella? Meant Dunya.

were you talking to nutella in your scum chat and had her on the tip of your tongue?

Yeah.

Scum team is me, Nutella, Epi, LC. Epi and LC decided to see how well they could distance from each other on D1 and then Nutella and I figured we could do better.

Gg town.

Nutella? Meant Dunya.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:11 pm Appeal to Emotion

Not really the best expression here but I wanted to make a cool sentence.

Basically... Jack you have been calling her fake since the dawn of time. Do you still think that?

Dawn of time = yesterday afternoon lol.

The outburst doesn't move me or ping me. It's just kinda there.

Gonna go finish my Nutella ISO and determine if she's for sure a

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:07 pm So... Dunya's outburst. Self-righteous rage over what she perceives is an unfair lynch? Or AtE?

Jackofhearts2005

What's ate?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:45 pm @speedchuck
Those 3 points are all irrelevant to my reasoning.

I am town, and Mesk may have been scum (I didn't think so, but still).

To everyone else, I am 50/50. Lynching an inactive 50/50 town/scum or lynching, to you, an active 50/50 town/scum?

I will never see it as a safer bet to lynch someone with no posts after 2600 friggin' posts. Lynch anyone at this point so you can actually start links and patterns.

Yeah I was upset, I have been staying up till 4am every night in hopes of clearing my name (spriyto) and adding something useful. I was 100% sure before I fell asleep last night there was no inactive lynchings. I'm not being condesending or self-righteous, I think it's very scummy to go after an inactive after 2600 posts and 12 days worth of actual CONTENT. we're approaching Day 4. We have one townie flip (and it was an important role) to an inactive player who we can't read much into. It's not rocket science

I'm really sorry everyone, I am sad, but I don't want to be condescending that is awful and not who I am.

There there.

*stabstabstab*

(This is a thing now)

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:35 pm dunya please keep in mind the spaghetti nightmare that occurred during the eod3 during your analysis. The vote was down to Dom and Jack and most of us chose Dom over Jack, some of us switched our votes. Then Mesk was brought up as a better alternative to lynching Dom, which was accurate. If Mesk had flipped bad we'd have something to chew on. Then Jay got brought up and votes went everywhere, there was a 4 way tie at one point and at another point, a couple minutes from the end, Jay had the most votes at 5, and seemingly a second later Mesk was in the lead again.

All the more reason to call your votes.

I just wanna know how calculated, deliberate Jimmy feels about going from near universal townread to near universal scumread in about an hour.

Projecting is the wrong word. Implies unintentional. More like framing cause she knows something I don't. Maybe.

+2 to DDL's Jimmy posts. 1 for agreement and 1 for how he feels like the DDL I know (finally). Objectively, idk if that makes DDL more likely to be town but in my heart, it makes me feel better about him. DDL deserves a full ISO.

Dunya deserves a full objective ISO. I gave her some Gate of Babylon which isn't fair. Sticking out is her accusation of me distancing from Jimmy. Projecting? Also sticking out is some reads I do agree with (not sure if I said all her reads were fake, my true feelings were that enough of them were but the GoB ISO underlined she's got some okay ones, too).

Also sticking out is Wilgy, whose interactions with Jimmy at EOD are strange. Jimmy was after him with kid gloves and he didn't really play along but didn't really make a stink either and voted with Jimmy at EOD. Distancing? Needs a closer more caffeinated look.

Not a huge fan of Quin or Sloonei's "lol why am I voting this way" posts at EOD. I kinda expect it from both of them as townies, particularly Quin, who CFDs in directions I don't like as a good guy.

Epi continuing to move up in my rainbow. Going to do a classic Jack read confidence list to clarify (mostly for myself) where my moving reads have all gone.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:20 am Effective immediately, malakim2099 has replaced Dom.

Horay!

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:01 am Hi Jack?

Still want me dead?

Nah. I think you're good atm. Big turning point is me realizing you were making a fair observation about the invisible vultures.

Similar to my irrational need to point out I did understand an irrelevant thing.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:59 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:45 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:23 am As much as I despise having no flips, I'm also going to be a hypocrite real quick.

Dom is indeed a no-info lynch. He doesn't provide much help to figuring out the strong anti-alignments we have going on in the thread. Yet, I don't feel like we're starving for info, and I think the mafia kill (if it ever goes through) will be informative.

Dom is the way to go, guys. Let's make this game all about info and less about absent speculation.

linki: welcome aboard Kyle

I'm so glad you and Kyle are voicing mild objection to the Dom lynch. I always want to point out "but we learn nothing from an inactive lynch" but fear I'll look bad if they flip bad. If a scummer fools me into thinking they are good, I can explain that. If I mislynch a fellow townie, I can explain that. If I "defend" a baddie but they never said anything? There's no excuse. But I feel the need to weigh in on game theory and strategy, feel the need to say a Dom flip teach us nothing even as I vote Dom and home Dom gets lynched. Maddening.

Additionally, I'm glad for a really productive several days with lots of antialignments. This is a strong example I can point Realmsers to of all that can be done on "Day 1." The more reads and antialignments turn out to be correct, the better.

I think you read it wrong Speed is defending the Dom lynch.

Hi, DDL.

It's not about actually trying to stop the Dom lynch. It's about the irrational need to strategerize out loud.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:25 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:23 am I think you're basically describing town Eloh behavior and calling it a case for her badness. Epi calls you out

Can you recall an example of a town Elohcin that fits the general description I provided in my post?

Yeah. Now you got me questioning my memory.

More tomorrow reading.

To be clear, though, I still met townread Jimmy. Will have to check his baddie game posts. I don't know if I've ever played with bad Jimmy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:13 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:10 am I find Epi's case on Jimmy to be intriguing. I don't think I'll follow it today but Epi and Eloh come out looking better than JJJ in all their recent interactions.

Please elaborate.

I think you're basically describing town Eloh behavior and calling it a case for her badness. Epi calls you out.

Epi is also taking note of the Jack/Dunya square off in a way that doesn't look opportunistic. Feels way different from ME Epi, which is the last bad Epi I can remember. So that makes him look better.

Epi also characterizes your posts as easy analysis or analysis that leads nowhere. I could see the gth excercise that way as well.

I find Epi's case on Jimmy to be intriguing. I don't think I'll follow it today but Epi and Eloh come out looking better than JJJ in all their recent interactions.

When's the last time Jimmy was bad?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:54 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:45 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:23 am As much as I despise having no flips, I'm also going to be a hypocrite real quick.

Dom is indeed a no-info lynch. He doesn't provide much help to figuring out the strong anti-alignments we have going on in the thread. Yet, I don't feel like we're starving for info, and I think the mafia kill (if it ever goes through) will be informative.

Dom is the way to go, guys. Let's make this game all about info and less about absent speculation.

linki: welcome aboard Kyle

I'm so glad you and Kyle are voicing mild objection to the Dom lynch. I always want to point out "but we learn nothing from an inactive lynch" but fear I'll look bad if they flip bad. If a scummer fools me into thinking they are good, I can explain that. If I mislynch a fellow townie, I can explain that. If I "defend" a baddie but they never said anything? There's no excuse. But I feel the need to weigh in on game theory and strategy, feel the need to say a Dom flip teach us nothing even as I vote Dom and home Dom gets lynched. Maddening.

Additionally, I'm glad for a really productive several days with lots of antialignments. This is a strong example I can point Realmsers to of all that can be done on "Day 1." The more reads and antialignments turn out to be correct, the better.

What's your ideal (realistic or at least semi-realistic) EoD scenario here then?

CFD to a suspect with other suspects with antialignments who then flips scum. So that's probably you or Speed.

More realistically, best case scenario I can actually hope for is Dom hangs and flips bad.

Teach*es us nothing
*hope Dom gets lynched

Confession: On the Realms, if you edit a post within about 30 seconds of making it, it doesn't show the post as edited. I correct typos constantly this way at the risk of modkill. I think Bob caught me doing it once.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:23 am As much as I despise having no flips, I'm also going to be a hypocrite real quick.

Dom is indeed a no-info lynch. He doesn't provide much help to figuring out the strong anti-alignments we have going on in the thread. Yet, I don't feel like we're starving for info, and I think the mafia kill (if it ever goes through) will be informative.

Dom is the way to go, guys. Let's make this game all about info and less about absent speculation.

linki: welcome aboard Kyle

I'm so glad you and Kyle are voicing mild objection to the Dom lynch. I always want to point out "but we learn nothing from an inactive lynch" but fear I'll look bad if they flip bad. If a scummer fools me into thinking they are good, I can explain that. If I mislynch a fellow townie, I can explain that. If I "defend" a baddie but they never said anything? There's no excuse. But I feel the need to weigh in on game theory and strategy, feel the need to say a Dom flip teach us nothing even as I vote Dom and home Dom gets lynched. Maddening.

Additionally, I'm glad for a really productive several days with lots of antialignments. This is a strong example I can point Realmsers to of all that can be done on "Day 1." The more reads and antialignments turn out to be correct, the better.