The Syndicate

Wow, YAY!!

MM I am soooo sorry. I was sure Dom was the rezz/lynch save guy since most people would have rezzed Epi right away, the first dead civvie, especially since he is a vocal player, but the rezzer waited for a more valuable role to rezz, which I have seen Dom do more than once.

And Epi, I honestly did not suspect you for your posting style, but for your actions.

I am going to vote BWT. I guess my issue with MM is that I think someone else is the role everyone thinks MM is. But that person is not saying anything so perhaps I am mistaken, this is based on thread, not info.

So hopefully BWT is the killer.

MM, I have a question for you~ the prize you won. I know what mine was. What was your prize? Maybe a lynch stop? Rhetorical question, I don't want you to actually say what your prize was. But I do know what mine was, and I think a lynch stop is a very reasonable prize.

Food for thought.

NOT Abremelin:

MP
SVS

I highly doubt it~ won't say it is impossible, but i am not seeing it:

Dom
Mongoose

That leaves BWT and MM.

And MM, I DID answer your question, I directed the answer to someone else though~ I misunderstood the outcome of a lynch, I thought the wrong person was lynched, not the vote leader. You are in fact the only one to survive a lynch. Sorry about that confusion there. But again, increasingly powerful role, plus you won a prize. Lots of ways you could have survived a lynch, not just a role related way.

Everything you have said has felt very bad to me.

But no one agrees with me that you might not be that role. So I guess we have to lynch BWT first to figure this out?

I don't think it's Dom, I think Dom is someone else.

I know everyone trusts MM but I just don't. I see why but we have a role who grows more powerful with time which may well include Lynch saves.

VotingMM

Vompatti wrote:I would generally interpret that card as some kind of a profound transformation or purification, but in the context of this game I must point out that in the tree of life Death is on the path between Netzah and Tifaret, which speaks strongly for the theory that if I survive the next lynch and/or night kill attempt, I will gloriously lead us into victory!

This sounds like someone who is getting more and more powerful via surviving

Hedgeowl wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

S~V~S wrote:That makes me want to ote MM again tomorrow, tbh. We have another lynch survivor, so i would like to revisit the MM discussion.

I think this is for the best. I'm not leaning toward Vomps at all (although he'd make a natural independent).

Who survived? I am not Adverse to discussing MM, but am inclined to think he's most likely civ.

The reason i think vomps was faking was the first time we have seen true insanification this game.

It looked fairly true to me, and we have 2 hex/potion people in this game, perhaps they insanify via different methods. I have seen probably half a dozen different insanifiers. Vomps looked like one I have seen before, so I am not sure what you mean by "true" insanification.

And I was on phone, I did not realize it was a tie, I thought INH had less votes. Tomorrow i am going to vote BWT again, or Vomps. And :P at MP, you pushed me to make a decision, then did not show up, lol. I could have voted closer to the end than I did, and I would have voted Vomp to save INH.

Mongoose wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

S~V~S wrote:That makes me want to ote MM again tomorrow, tbh. We have another lynch survivor, so i would like to revisit the MM discussion.

I think this is for the best. I'm not leaning toward Vomps at all (although he'd make a natural independent).

Who survived? I am not Adverse to discussing MM, but am inclined to think he's most likely civ.

The reason i think vomps was faking was the first time we have seen true insanification this game.

That's a good point. You can communicate pretty clearly through haikus, horoscopes, and weather reports. That does seem a bit like "One of these things is not like the others."

Insanification is hard. Have you ever been insanified with the engive he obviously was using?

i am not saying i trust Vomps, I actually don't, but it has nothing to do with being insanified or not. What are your reasons other than insanification? It is my experience over hundreds of games that actually insanified/silenced/etc people outnumber those pretending to be such.

This feels like such a Vompvagon. I actually hate this.

That makes me want to ote MM again tomorrow, tbh. We have another lynch survivor, so i would like to revisit the MM discussion.

I am torn, but I think I will go with BWT. I could see a vote for Vomps too, but that would be more gut and like I said, my gut has been the suck. So BWT it is.

MovingPictures07 wrote:S~V~S, it is possible MM could be the Indy, but I don't know, I'm leaning occam's razor on this for now. I at least want to see what we can try today.

MM, I'd be willing to vote BWT possibly. Reason I voted for you pretty much came down to the replacement factor, so it makes sense to me.

This is how I feel, I have that nagging feeling about MM but my gut has been sucky this game.

I feel silly but i do not get the allusion that people are making. There is a civvie role that can live, there is also an Indy killer that gets more powerful every day or some suck. How do you know it is one, but not the other?

I am not voting for INH, I believe him to be civ with a certainty.

Who else do y'all suspect?

Hrm

I don't think he's blendy, I think YOU'RE blendy

You both came in at the same time, he has 9 or 10 more posts than you. He talks, but does not say much. More of his posts are addressing mentions of him than discussing suspicions. He got Bloopers eye, and then tried to push off his vote for Nutella as a cred thing,when it really had no bearing on a LMS role.

It is also possible she was a set up kill, but i doubt it. I think Boogs was a set up kill though. I am OK with my MM vote.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:In this case our only real lead is the victim; one of the people who, based on the pre Nutella voting record, HAS to be a civvie. I reread Blooper, and saw no real reason to suspect her. Perhaps you might like to reread her too and see if you see anything there.

Usually the more vics, the more leads, but I have a feeling that this guy could not kill until the baddies were dead.

Are you talking about ninja blooper? Considering bloops was murdered to death by Abramelon, wouldn't she be a civvie? Why would you suspect otherwise?

I meant up to the point where the bad team died out. She was one of 2 people that could not have been on the bad team. In thought my meaning was clear?

I didn't realize the non-suspicion you were referring to was something that existed before her death (or nutella's). I thought you were saying that you looked her over again today, and didn't suspect her. me

No, I was talking about why someone might kill her, since the new killer killed her

With no other leads, sometimes it helps to try and figure out WHY someone killed a specific victim.

This post specifically is why I voted for you:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:What I am suspicious of is MM's vote for nutella with no explanation, and I've been suspicious of replacements since they well, replaced the inactive players. That is where my vote is going today.

I'm sorry for not explaining before. It was just a strong hunch. I hope don't think too badly of it now.

llama, if the mafia is eliminated, will it be declared in the game thread?

Plus this one to a lesser extent:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:I really don't know who to look at. I'd assume that Abramelin was civvie-neutral before he had his little "operation", and possibly had to get the baddies out in order to make himself stronger.

I dunno if I agree. There are so many civvie players, I have a hard time seeing Abramelin aligned with them, even at the beginning.

Linki: thanks llama.

What I think INH meant, and I thought it was fairly obvious, was that Abremelin would PLAY the game that way, not that he was ALIGNED that way by the host. The host clearly aligned him as Indy/secret role. But playing the game as a civ would be the best viable way IMO, especially if the theory that Abremelin could not kill until the Mafia was gone is the correct one. It is also possible he chose not to kill to lull the civs and to hide a bit better.

I asked people to reread Blooper to see if they could come up with a reason someone might kill her; have you? Do you have any ideas on who might have wanted to kill her?

Since the Host said 48 hours for the ballgame Mongoose said she has problems believing Llama is actually attending I will bold that vote:

Voting Metalmarsh

I could go with an MM vote too.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:In this case our only real lead is the victim; one of the people who, based on the pre Nutella voting record, HAS to be a civvie. I reread Blooper, and saw no real reason to suspect her. Perhaps you might like to reread her too and see if you see anything there.

Usually the more vics, the more leads, but I have a feeling that this guy could not kill until the baddies were dead.

Are you talking about ninja blooper? Considering bloops was murdered to death by Abramelon, wouldn't she be a civvie? Why would you suspect otherwise?

I meant up to the point where the bad team died out. She was one of 2 people that could not have been on the bad team. In thought my meaning was clear?

*Puts Hands on Hips*

Dom & INH, stop it

*Shakes finger in general direction of laptop (not easy with hands on hips)*

I trust INH, and I have never said I distrust you, Dom. There could be ways, for people to trust each other in this game, not counting the civ BTS, which I do not have, btw. The two of you communicate very differently; perhaps you are hearing tone, not content.

~~~~~~~~

Mongoose wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:First off, sorry to mongoose I was clearly wrong there! And I see we caught both baddies!

OMG you don't have to apologize to me!

Man I am so glad I don't have to post in haiku form anymore. I bet you all are too.

So vets -- how have you caught indies before?

In this case our only real lead is the victim; one of the people who, based on the pre Nutella voting record, HAS to be a civvie. I reread Blooper, and saw no real reason to suspect her. Perhaps you might like to reread her too and see if you see anything there.

Usually the more vics, the more leads, but I have a feeling that this guy could not kill until the baddies were dead.

I reread Blooper. I did not see any active suspicions that would have led to her specifically being the victim last night.

That sucks Blooper

Welcome Back MP

OK, how would we even go about finding this person? A smart indy plays like a civ as long as possible. Maybe a reread of blooper, to see who she had an eye on might be useful. She was a fairly odd kill choice IMO, so it could be something she said.

Also, as always, LOVE your graphics, Blooper

Dom wrote:

S~V~S wrote:
I certainly did say that, then she became involved. And with only one baddie left, I felt what Mongoose was saying had some merit.

You find that people changing their minds makes them bad?

No.

Given the results, of the lynch, I think that I was wrong though.

Ha ha ha

Um, I kinda have had a role in mind for you on and off, and it's a civvie role. I think you and I have been floundering somewhat in this game suspicion wise. I know my record is abysmal.

Dom wrote:
I just want to fill everyone in on my condition:
I am feeling better. I am on some pretty heavy medication, and it's screwing with me a bit. I have a few more days of it, and if my ears are not back to normal, I have to go back and hope for the best. :/

Glad you are doing better, hopefully totally back to normal soon.

Dom wrote:Sherry, do you think there's a reason Mr. Name wants to be your bff this game?

I do.

Put into a copper pot:
a cup of Datura root, minced
a cup of Wolfsbane, chopped
The oil of 6 pounds of unbaptized olives (I'm vegetarian)
ground poppies, about 1/8 pound
3 tbs morning glory seeds ground to a paste
1 cup psilocybin mushrooms
1 cup of honey from a beehive fed totally on nightshade plants

Simmer together for an hour at low heat; strain out plant matter. Mix in boiling springwater enough to make the mixture the consistency of milk, reduce the heat to low and, stirring frequently, allow to simmer several hours until the mixture is the consistency of yogurt. Let cool, and apply to the skin; swallowing a spoonful might not hurt. Sit back, relax and enjoy the ride.

Holy Crap!

My instincts suck this game. So... the game is not over? I do not notice win conditions, did i somehow miss them?

Yeah, I concur. Doing the same.

and we are agreeing too much, lol. The sky is gonna fall down or something :lol:

These are my question marks (I feel pretty good about everyone else):

BWT
Dom
Eloh
Hedge
MM
Nutella
Vomps

Of those, leaning civ:

Eloh
Hedge

That leaves:

BWT: As blendy as the person he replaced
Dom: Comes back from being sick; Boogs dies. This would be a nice set up as well, though.
MM: Not loving the drive by
Nutella: No clue; but I really hate MMs vote
Vomps: Love the participation, but the game related content kinda blendy

I am leaning towards MM or BWT most

I just searched MMs posts for "Nutella" and there were only 2 mentions, both today. After this post, the nutella vote surprised me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:As for who I am voting for today, it is between Mongoose and Nutella. I have explained my suspicions of them both and Nutella's most recent post seems like distancing to me.

Niju, what do you think of Mongoose? You had said before the MP lynch that his case on her seemed sound and then you voted MP. What was your reasoning there?

There's only one mafia left. Who is nutella distancing from? As far as I know, distancing is something that baddies teammates do.

The other post was the vote where he voted for her.

Linki~ Married couple sharing one computer on vacation? I would count it.

I am curious, INH, about who you plan to vote for. Blooper as well, since I see she is in the house.

insertnamehere wrote:I agree with SVS, I'm not sold on the case against Mongoose. Feel free to look at my response to MP's case.

Thanks, it does seem to me that you have been paying attention, and have your good ear open. Even if she was wrong about MP, I understand where she was coming from, and like I said, I don;t see baddie Mongoose putting herself so far out there.

Not sure I love lynching Nutella. She got my ear early on, but she ALWAYS does (I remember the game where she was Mother Theresa and I led the lynch on her; I was a baddie there, Idi Amin, actually, but I honestly did believe her to be a baddie on the other team, I have never trusted my gut on her since).

I read back in the poll thread, and see a few people I know I trust. I am not as sure re Hedgeowl as I was, her spirited defense worked for her, IMO. So not sure what I am going to do votewise.

Dom wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:RIP Boogs!

So Chronozon is a demon summoned by baddie, but is a role from past mafia games? Would llama have played these games?

No. I think Chronozon's game was back in 2010 (Recruitment Mafia 1).

S~V~S wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:RIP Boogs!

So Chronozon is a demon summoned by baddie, but is a role from past mafia games? Would llama have played these games?

No, these were s few years back.

Dom wrote:SVS, you have suspected Hedgeowl all game... and then you voted for MP?

With the theory about an uninvolved baddie, plus her vote for him the day before and the way she worded it when she voted for him, I thought Mongoose had reason to believe MP was bad, yes.

Didn't you call Hedgeowl uninvolved? Didn't you say that Hedge was very inactive, making noncommittal posts, not really attaching herself to things?
I won't be back until late tonight, I'm voting SV

S.

I certainly did say that, then she became involved. And with only one baddie left, I felt what Mongoose was saying had some merit.

You find that people changing their minds makes them bad?

Hedgeowl wrote:RIP Boogs!

So Chronozon is a demon summoned by baddie, but is a role from past mafia games? Would llama have played these games?

No, these were s few years back.

Dom wrote:SVS, you have suspected Hedgeowl all game... and then you voted for MP?

With the theory about an uninvolved baddie, plus her vote for him the day before and the way she worded it when she voted for him, I thought Mongoose had reason to believe MP was bad, yes.

nutella wrote:RIP Boogs.

Chronozon?!

I know, right? Choronzon was also a role in some of LC/BRs games, so seeing him here was odd lol.

Not a fan of lynching Mongoose, and not sure why anyone else is, tbh. I need to read back some and rethink some things.

Gemini Forecast for Day 4:

Today the twins will be feeling especially philosophical, and of a mind to share. Sharing can be good, unless you do not choose wisely what to share and with whom to share it. We have seen two possible aspects of Mongooses' face, and both are fair.

There may come an accord with cute l'il owls~ check back for tomorrows WISDOM FROM THE STARS to know for sure

Eenie Meenie Jelly Beanie, the Astrologer is about to speak!!


"Having consulted SVS' chart, the portents of the planets aligning with the Dog Star lead me to the conclusion that regardless of what SVS says regarding the queries of the cute l'il owl, the cute l'il owl will find a reason to not believe it. The signs indicate that some time after the end of the night, the time will be propitious for such an attempt."

Mongoose wrote:Oh boy.

This is going to be a tight one to wriggle out of. Hell, I'd vote me if I was in your shoes. I didn't have info, but I had reasons to suspect him.

Sorry mate.

Mongooses Stars, Day 4:

With Pluto (Jeanne Dixon rocks it old school, once a planet, always a planet) in your house of Violence, there may be danger ahead for you, but there does not have to be. If your adversaries have Venus in their house of Suspicion, they might see that a lone baddie Mongoose would not be likely to make bold statements. The upcoming influence of the Weasel constellation might also lead them to see how you may have jumped to the conclusion that you did.

The Stars Today:

People will say things to you, will ask you questions. You might need to try harder to understand what they want~ Neptune is in your communication sector, and this fucks you up totally. Unless the queriers clarify their queries, you may not be able to adequately answer them until Neptune has moved on.

Printing Press Horoscope error:

"The constellation of the sock proving to not BE in the house of evil does not"

Your Stars Tonight:

The words of Boogs seem unclear to you today. Perhaps it is the fact that Jupiter is in your house of ...substances. Perhaps Boogs' meaning will become clearer when Jupiter has moved on. The constellation of the sock proving to not in the house of evil does not mean that carnivorous mammals who thought otherwise are wrong. Venus is in your cheesecake sector; avoid overindulgence.

The Stars Say:

Eliphas Levy may appear to be Aliester Crowley today, but that would be misleading. It appears that the Sock ws as he said, not evil. You may need to go back to the drawing board. Just becasue she was wrong, however, does not make Mongoose evil. Sometimes things are not what they seem, but sometimes they are.

Your Stars Today:

You will meet a nameless, stagheaded man whose points do not go away. You will not be annoyed, but others may be.

Your Stars for Monday, July 14:

You will have a great deal to catch up on today, and your own fault it is too. A little bird in a Hedge might demand explanations, but might have to wait for another day when you can speak your mind in more detail. But perhaps she might read a bit more closely, and seek what she finds on her own

A small furry snake killer said something a few days back that you did not understand at the time, but which may make some sense to you at this time. If so, you should act on it. In addition, a talking sock may have buddied up to you a few days ago, saying he saw your civvie game. You should follow your gut, and the lead of the mysterious INH constellation in your house of voting, and *Vote Moving Pictures*.

Your Stars for Sunday, July 13:

Today your moon is in the house of Aquarius~ you should be careful to avoid alcohol at all costs. Should you overindulge at a family party, you might just forget that important PM!

He=MP

Linki phone post

He could have been blocked Night 1. The more I think about it the more possible it seems.

Gonna reread MP voter from the other day

Epignosis 10
Metalmarsh89 10
MovingPictures07 10
A Person 7
Hedgeowl 6
Keterman 4
Lizzy 4
birdwithteeth 1

These are people with 10 or fewer posts. Epi & AP are dead. Lizzy & Keterman are now BWT & MM, and both posted during the night; MM especially has been rather active. Plus I find it unlikely that either of them would come in and NOT send a PM with no kill the night before. That is supposition though.

Of that group, I most suspect Hedgeowl. I least suspect MM. Mongoose said she felt fairly sure that MP was bad, but I do not recall why?

This depends alot on what Llama says, though. If he does NOT write fail kills into the post, the whole thing is theoretical. Especially since I think everyone checked in during the night last night.

Yeah, we have a civ block, a protect, a hexer & a potion brewer...and we have inactive players. That's a good question, LA, and I have another if it turns out that those things would be shown in the post~

Llama~ Do you randomize roles? I got that impression somewhere.

Linki~ tbh, I don't see both kills being lost to no PM, OR to blocks, etc. I was thinking a combo of both, maybe. One missed PM and one block, perhaps? I don't think anyone has been THAT inactive, except lizzy. And her replacement came in during the night and has been active. I think all of us posted last night, the 48 long night, right?

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Will we have a contest that does not involve drawing/Paint/visuals? I am so awful at those, i don;t even try. Especially after some of the awesome submissions we have had.

Linki~ oooooo thats cool

I have two more contests currently scheduled and neither of them involves drawing.

Will we have a contest that does not involve drawing/Paint/visuals? I am so awful at those, i don;t even try. Especially after some of the awesome submissions we have had.

Linki~ oooooo thats cool