The Syndicate

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:29 pm Good game everyone!

@Scotty @Michelle @S~V~S thanks for being amazing teammates!

@fingersplints @Sloonei thanks for hosting!

*You* and Scotty were amazing. Thanks for convincing me I had to die!

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:40 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:40 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:39 pm Sorry, who is neon
Princess Abigail
Are they AKA Hapi?

I don't know the names they play by on other forums.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:39 pm Sorry, who is neon

Princess Abigail

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:00 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:58 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:54 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:52 pm back in iran i launched a coup along with british forces, #SocialismIsEvil
wowee, how could u say such a thing
ha ha I'm fairly sure the British forces were before my time.
it wasn't an old joke

i just thought of something 100000x worse, and switched to a less controversial analogous witty historical statement

I think of the British Forces in Iran as kinda Lawrence of Arabia times, and that's definitely before my time. But I appreciate the not quoting me as saying I was Hitlers girlfriend or whatever.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:57 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:52 pm That is my one mafia tactic, cutting and editing someones post to make it look bad.

And it's an awesome tactic. I love it so much <3

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:54 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:52 pm back in iran i launched a coup along with british forces, #SocialismIsEvil
wowee, how could u say such a thing

ha ha I'm fairly sure the British forces were before my time.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:50 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:06 pm I’ve given up
Gottem

This was the post you made, This was the original post.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:06 pm I’ll be home shortly to vote etc although I’ve given up on catching up.

Gross.

*loathed

That is ny number one most loather mafia tactic, cutting and editing someones post to make it look bad.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:06 pm I’ll be home shortly to vote etc although I’ve given up on catching up.

Holy Fuck T's.

Nice cut job. WTF?

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:47 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:05 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:19 pm k time to go play music till EOD

if it has to be between me and SVS (as town leader has decreed), I would suggest voting for the player who seems to have already given up, you know?
nothing personnel
Who said I gave up? My desk is outside my bosses door. I can’t Mafia at work, other than maybe a one liner or a smilie.
You were literally like " game hard don't feel like it etc" smh

I literally was not. That may be how you interpreted my ennui, but it is not what i actually said. I said I was derailed (mostly by Day One), and that made me lose some WIM.

Can we not judge others skill sets, plz, k? Thanks

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:08 pm @S~V~S vote ts account ty

Well, I absolutely don't want to yeet Abbi. So it works for me.

I 've only skimmed his ISO, but I'll trust you here and I'll read him now.

[VOTE: t's] aubergine

I’ll be home shortly to vote etc although I’ve given up on catching up.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:19 pm k time to go play music till EOD

if it has to be between me and SVS (as town leader has decreed), I would suggest voting for the player who seems to have already given up, you know?
nothing personnel

Who said I gave up? My desk is outside my bosses door. I can’t Mafia at work, other than maybe a one liner or a smilie.

Also, @robyn , you asked me a personal question yesterday. I understand your insatiable curiosity. I'm not ignoring it, I'll get back to you privately post game. If you want to ask me personal questions PM me in Discord, you know I'll tell you if you've crossed a line, and to fuck off, lol. But I won't answer in game threads. So don't ask, k?

Guys I'm really sorry, for some reason I am very demoralized right now. Maybe being suspected after literally making one or two posts (for an actual not real reason) then every time I try to explain where I'm coming from, well I can't do it without mentioning Scotty, and he's like fucking Beetlejuice lol.

I had mostly town reads this whole game. Right now I am one zillion percent not caught up.

Town

Robyn, Cape, Rondo. I feel Befert for reasons, some things they've said . Maybe cause Robyn vouches, and I guess they know each other that well? I also feel Abi is town, but that could be a warm fuzzy cause she t/r'ed me early. I find it super unlikely I'll vote for these people. Or even impossible.

Not Sure, no reason to town read these people, but no reason to wolf read them either.

Thunal, Wilgy, they both seem in their possible town meta as I've observed it, Wilgy tries a bit more to act innocuous when he's bad, and Thunal is a bit more level when she's bad, imo. But they've both fooled me, and rather spectacularly might I add lol

Iffy imo (if it's possible Conf Bias, I'll note it):

Darling (possible conf bias), I'm not sure why Jay was so sure of towniness here, maybe cause Darling bolstered his hypotheses? At one point I thought DM and Jay could be the BTS roles, but apparently not. Scotty, I just can't shake it tbh. And the uber aggro way he comes at me every time I say "beetlejuice", um, Scotty, yeah, that's it.

I have no clue:

T's (it appears they've shown up, but I haven't read their posts yet) and LoRab. I doubt LoRab is gonna show, and that makes me sad, maybe more sad than people trying to wagon her on Hanukkah. But that's also based on personal info that I'm fairly sure no one else in game had. LC prolly knew but he was dead. On the night y'all were trying to lynch her, she was having her head shaved as part of a fund raiser for a childrens cancer charity. So I was in here watching pitchforks get shaken at her, and then on social watching her do good in the real world. So I kinda got salty and over reacted I guess.

And someone in my @'s said something about how my Michelle vote was too little too late or something to that effect.

I baldly stated I wanted to save LoRab regardless of affiliation, I wasn't exactly having a ball in here, lol, and wanted to make sure that LoRab wagon hadn't formed before I voted. I voted left the thread and apparently missed the LoRab wagon that subsequently formed.

I'll be back after work to hopefully read some more (like T's posts) and vote.

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:38 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:35 am
robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:51 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:50 pm In Darlings favor I said repeatedly in thread that LoRab was a rabbi, it’s Channukah, I follow her socials and she’s been very busy. Darling could easily have picked it up from the thread.
so, what reads do you have missy?
Aw you called me missy

I'm gonna be honest; I got totally derailed Day One for the somewhat (from my POV) overreaction to my thoughts on Scotty. Who popped up doing a Tasmanian Devil whirling dervish imitation around me every time I mentioned his name. In the post that I said I didn't want to talk about it, he popped up and called my post 'garbage' (I saw what Jay said about how it prolly was just the insanifier, but come on. Lots of words in that post, and all his posts, were clear and game related). I have never seen so much over reaction to a day one observation that wasn't even a suspicion.

I agree that we are unpaired, lol.

I am having problems getting out of the OMGUS thing, so I'm happy to look into jays POE, and the LoRab voters. I think voting for her at all was kinda icky, and wagoning her was double icky., especially when most of Michelles posts her last day were pretty sketch.
now tell me something i don’t know

Well, I seem to recall you telling me at some point that you know everything, or aspire to, so no bet. I'll try harder.

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:51 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:50 pm In Darlings favor I said repeatedly in thread that LoRab was a rabbi, it’s Channukah, I follow her socials and she’s been very busy. Darling could easily have picked it up from the thread.
so, what reads do you have missy?

Aw you called me missy

I'm gonna be honest; I got totally derailed Day One for the somewhat (from my POV) overreaction to my thoughts on Scotty. Who popped up doing a Tasmanian Devil whirling dervish imitation around me every time I mentioned his name. In the post that I said I didn't want to talk about it, he popped up and called my post 'garbage' (I saw what Jay said about how it prolly was just the insanifier, but come on. Lots of words in that post, and all his posts, were clear and game related). I have never seen so much over reaction to a day one observation that wasn't even a suspicion.

I agree that we are unpaired, lol.

I am having problems getting out of the OMGUS thing, so I'm happy to look into jays POE, and the LoRab voters. I think voting for her at all was kinda icky, and wagoning her was double icky., especially when most of Michelles posts her last day were pretty sketch.

In Darlings favor I said repeatedly in thread that LoRab was a rabbi, it’s Channukah, I follow her socials and she’s been very busy. Darling could easily have picked it up from the thread.

I’m cool with Michelle going over, she’s been evasive and has that heh heh tone I associate with bad her. I held it mainly in case the LoRab wagon reformed.

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:47 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:45 pm @Darling, I didn't say he was wolf, I voted for him yesterday becasue I had to vote for someone and I was salty. He took a light ping I had and acted like I was railroading him. I said today I wanted to back off that and stop talking about Scotty, but it seems unlikely that will happen.

As just said, I'm walking away from here for a few minutes.
Okay, maybe I would have believed you more if you thought Scottie was wolf, because unless you are mafia, how could you have been so certain he is town?

What? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. I don't think he's town, I don't know what he is. I had a mild day one ping, and he jumped all over me. TBH I don't want to think about him at all if I'm being totally frank.

@Darling, I didn't say he was wolf, I voted for him yesterday becasue I had to vote for someone and I was salty. He took a light ping I had and acted like I was railroading him. I said today I wanted to back off that and stop talking about Scotty, but it seems unlikely that will happen.

As just said, I'm walking away from here for a few minutes.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:15 pm No vote today: LoRab (16 posts), SVS (50 posts), Michelle (78 posts), Princess A. (172 posts), Bereft (183)

its giving wolf not wanting to vote for each other or for other townies

ts account didn't vote either.

I came up in a forum where you didn't vote until EOD for the most part since votes weren't changeable. Even though I have played in an environment where they are changeable longer than one where they are not, I tend to think of votes as srs bsns, and I don't vote unless i mean it, or like Day one, if I have to vote in order to make poll end. I don't like reaction test votes, I don't like temp votes.

Lorab hasn't been here since Weds.

In any case, I'm pretty sure Scotty just called my post "garbage" so I don't want to get into that again, I'll bb after dinner.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:06 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:04 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:55 am And if you think that "pairs us", oh well
Actually, I think the opposite. From what I know of SVS I really don't think she'd use a teammate's irl availability to shield her.
I think that’s NAI (individually and interactively).

You're kinda right, tbh. I find voting for people who clearly have a good IRL reason to be AFK to be somewhat distasteful, regardless of alignment. But i agree with Thunal in that I am unlikely to make a big production of how tacky I think it is for a baddie teammate. Especially if I was taking suspish myself. I don't like getting in thread and defendinf teammates if i can help it.

But generally, real life > game, every day.

Linki, thanks @DarlingMonroe I don't think I "jumped" on the Scotty vote though, Scotty kinda dragged me into it by taking a light Day One ping and turning it into a big deal, forcing me to talk about it endlessly and never letting it go. I mainly voted for him since the D1 poll ended at 5 PM on a workday, I leave work at 5 PM, and it's a new job, so I'm not comfy Mafiaing at work, and I had to vote before worrk after I just spent almost 2 hours responding to 9 @'s from Scotty. So yeah, I was a bit salty with him and "jumped on him".

You don't know my history with LC, I would not kill him if i could yeet him, and I have a strong track record there, lol. He didn't vote for me, and this is his last post mentioning me:

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:35 pm I am considering dropping Scotty as a premier town read. There have been a few doubts raised that at least piqued my interest, and I want those dialogues to develop before I commit myself to that viewpoint. For the time being I will place him in purgatory.
Yeah, did you like that S~V~S reaction to him? I thought her point sounded legit.

And I don't make a habit as Mafia of killing people who think I'm making legit points.

I think I kinda disagree with you on bereft. I can see your points on Michelle to an extent.

You put Abigail in your list, but you didn't explain why. Do you disagree with her reads?

Re LoRab, can you think of other reasons, other than "mafia coasting" for a Rabbi to be afk during the week of Chanukkah?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:59 pm I would very much love to hear reads on Bereft and robyn from @S~V~S, @DrWilgy, @LoRab, @Michelle, and anyone else that hasn’t recently stated them. That’ll be nice for me to assess the general game state. Thanks.

I think Robyn is town. They are not doing their usual town leader thing, trying to force the thread into submission thing they usually do, but I would guess it's hard to compete with you (no shade meant here, just the facts). They also said they were switching it up in the beginning of the game. Also somethings they said early into Day 2 led me to think they were town.

Bereft, I would like to think is town

although I have seen him other places, it was mainly in Severance where he affected a unique posting style, so I have no real baseline for his game. His tone seems to have changed from earlier; he started out mildly curmudgeony, now it's a bit more pronounced~ his avatar befits his tone. I would say solely based on tone and content, he's a null for me, BUT, not unlike Robyn, he made a few posts earlier that led me to possibly lean town.

To your other "SVS hasn't updated reads" I've been in abd out of here much of the day cold reading, but I was exhausted from yesterday and had to take a nap. Ill be here till pretty much EOD, and will try to comply.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:50 pm If I had to say my four biggest pings right now are:

SVS
Michelle
Bereft
LoRob/PrincessA.

So you've said earlier, can you explain why? Thanks!

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:36 pm Having read the most recent page, and gone through SVS posts.... they ping me the post so voting for them (SVS)... Scotty might be wolf, but I don't see it personally.

Can you explain why? I went through the rest of your posts, and you never say why. Just that I remain your biggest ping. Since most of my posts to that point were about Scotty, do you town read him?

Since you are consistently voting for me, I would appreciate the courtesy of some kind of reason. Thank you!

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:32 pm As of now, this is where I am at.

town reads: me [dm], robyn, Cape90
town lean: scotty, jjj, dr. wilgy, Rondo

????: michelle, thunal, princess A, LoRab, ts account

mafia reads: SVS, bereft

He wrote one post saying he thought I made a towny post, and now he's bad? Can you explain why you find bereft bad? Or is that it?

I know you are new to us. Explaining votes and reads to some extent is the norm here, though definitely not a requirement.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:25 pm @LoRab
@S~V~S
I want too see more from both of you today and talk about what you think the solve is/or at least contribute to that discussion

This is my last @ from yesterday, I'm finally gonna make that coffee, and dive back in. I have town reads, but not much in the way of bad reads.

And if you think that "pairs us", oh well

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:33 pm Do S~V~S and Michelle fit together as mafia teammates?

From S~V~S

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:05 am I only got up to page 12.

But gotta go get ready for work, and will be 90% likely to be in the car when the poll ends unless the traffic gods smile on me, so i gotta vote now.

Gonna vote Scotty, he looks a bit flailing to me, of everyone, he's the only person who seriously pinged me. Of the others with votes, Michelle hasn't said enough for me to get a sense of her, and not voting Robyn. I'd rather give the host a day to wed out/replace no shows.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

From Michelle

Nothing

~~~

Compatible

I haven't had the chance to read the case on her, what is it and who made it?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:41 pm Do S~V~S and LoRab fit together as mafia teammates?

From S~V~S

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:53 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?
Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?
@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am
I am on record as not believing in contributing to such lists, or rankings. I'm not a fan and I don't generally post them. Those here who have played with me a lot can attest.

Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.

That used to freak me out, too. Naming civs, like WTF. Extreme target painting. I still don't love rainbow lists, and prefer baddie hunting to townie hunting.

I'm used to it now.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:32 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:23 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:44 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:20 pm @Bereft and @robyn, each of you had expressed early faith in LoRab, and in the moment I kind of vibed with that. I'd like to dig a bit deeper though: are you able to describe what gave you confidence about her?
I had two major instances of thought about LoRab.

The first was immediately after their entrance.
And to that point, I had the same thought as Robyn did wrt to it.

The second was immediately after LoRab freaked out about getting townreads.
And to that point, I had the same thought as you did wrt to it.

If the question demands why I take strong stock in these thoughts at all, then its because both of these moments are based on LoRab existing archetypical traits of "pure" town spontaneity. And I don't think I've ever once seen these reads fail in my experience. On a mafia theory tangent, its the most basic form of read in existence, mafia simply doesn't post like that, because they have to think about well, being mafia.
I'd like to talk about this read. It seems similar to how I make some of my townreads based on "is this a thought a mafia would even think of". What about those moments is something that a mafia wouldn't think of doing?
In the forum LoRab and I came from, I got lunched for saying I trusted someone and thought they were good. "Painting Targets". Being leery of that is NAI for her, and even though LC and I come from that same background, and I think we both prolly both still have a touch of that even though we have more experience in the town-reading style of game.

Bad LoRab is a bit cagier than the LoRab here, imo.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 6:24 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:45 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:09 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:40 am
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S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:53 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?
@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am
I am on record as not believing in contributing to such lists, or rankings. I'm not a fan and I don't generally post them. Those here who have played with me a lot can attest.

Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.

That used to freak me out, too. Naming civs, like WTF. Extreme target painting. I still don't love rainbow lists, and prefer baddie hunting to townie hunting.

I'm used to it now.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:59 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:56 am
Intriguing take- I feel like I have the unique benefit of having just wolfed with her and I haven’t seen anything specific about her that is throwing off my paranoia alarm. And I’m usually paranoid of her as of the last 3 games before I wolf’ed with her.

Now do me do me
OK, you're freaking me out here. I don't think you've EVER said anything like this to/about me. Not the last 3 games. EVERY. GAME. Every one. You think I'm bad.

What did you take away from wolfing with me that makes you say this?

Also gotta go get ready for work. Love my new job, hate the longer commute.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:04 am One last *?*, Bereft seems to be only addressing/alluding to Robyn and Jay, with the exception of his towny list, which was an answer to Jay, if I'm not mistaken.

I would not be able to read him if I tried, is this a normal thing for him? I don't find it to be AI, it just stuck out to me skimming his ISO.
Where are SVS's own reads? A lot of her posts feel like commentary and not actually taking stances. LC's post used to be read as auto bad and Scotty's freaking her out, but she didn't make actual reads off those when I feel like it would be natural for her to do.

@S~V~S
[VOTE: SVS] aubergine
I don't really have any yet, or didn't as of this AM. My posts are a commentary, that's how I develop reads.

You seem a bit more aggro, and less considered, than I tend to associate with you. You're a person who weighs and balances, and this feels kinda the opposite, almost a bit jumpy.

Jay asked me a question about LC, I talked about how I feel about LC. Scotty is freaking me out. It doesn't mean I find any of it AI.
I’m still freaking you out? Impressive.

Maybe I’ll wear this tshirt and jeans combo for Halloween next year
No. I was using it in the context of my original statement, referencing observations rather than reads.

Plus I used that phrase in my reply to LoRab (in the spoilered part of the post you quoted), who also used it herself. So it is just a colloquialism, not an over the top baddie ranting.

Perhaps the first post has a pockety appeal from [hypothetical mafia] S~V~S for reassuring LoRab of her perspective. That's extremely generous though. The rest of this is pretty blank to me.

From LoRab

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LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:49 am
What's normally suspicious about your style?

I think this kind of comment about finding it weird you're too trusted is >rand mafia. A lot of townies are confident in their townieness even if they are suspected often, but it's easy for mafia to assume they're suspicious.
One one level, I have no idea. Maybe I'm just drawn that way? Some of it is how I approach the game and suspicion--some of it is meta, but a lot of it is noticing patterns and when those patterns are off. Which many see as a suspicious way to suspect people, apparently.

And, in a bigger way, your noting my discomfort in being trusted is an excellent example of why--on this particular site. It's a mafia culture thing. I learned mafia in a very different setting than that of most of the players on here. There are some players (SVS, LC in this game) I've been playing with for about 15 years--I think Wilgy for at least a decade. I may have forgotten someone else who is in this game (other than our wonderful host). The game we played then, on sites like LP and The Piano, was stylistically different--we developed our own mafia slang, almost all games were ones in which pretty much everyone has a power, info dumping was essentially always frowned on--at least past a certain point, when we all seemed to realize it's not nearly as much fun that way, and agreed that there just wouldn't be any any more. Where puzzles and hidden messages were everywhere. This site, in large part, grew out of that world--and merged it with other mafia communities.

The mafia game style of those other communities mostly became the prominent culture, with some aspects of my original realm staying around. like this color.

And I still play with my same style that I always have, even though I know that most around me have a different style--and will suspect me for my style. I'm good with that.

Although, I do twirl a lot less than I used to.

As for your suspicion, unless I'm misunderstanding ">rand mafia" (as I don't actually know what that means). It is very par for the course in the games of most of my mafia playing for civvies to not want to be publicly trust. I mean, I guess in a game where there is only 1 bad faction (and no apparent neutral or indy roles), it makes more sense for civs to not worry so much when trusted, but...I'm still more accustomed to games where such a structure (2 teams, one good one bad) is the exception and not the rule,

While I'm waxing nostalgic, and in a Ted Lasso game, a shout out to the OG Diamond Dog, in whose honor this smiley was created It's literally based on the actual human. I miss that FEB.

Virtually nothing.

~~~

I don't think I can justify calling this anything other than compatible.

I just reread her and she is a null for me, so still "virtually nothing". She hasn't said anything AI, and I read her better than prolly anyone here. When I first started playing, LoRab mentored me a bit, and we play similarly in some ways. We both like to explain ourselves, and contribute via commentary, so her posts here are basically NAI as far as I can see. If the sus on her is due to her being AWOL, I would guess this game starting when it did was bad timing for her. I follow her on social media, and she is very busy with the religious holiday. The thought process she explained in that post is still something I adhere to.

So she could be bad, she could also be town. I know I am not voting her when she has legit reason to be afk unless I have no choice and have to save.

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:52 pm Do Thunal33 and S~V~S fit together as mafia teammates?

From Thunal

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Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:58 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:20 pm S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.
Knowing SVS, do you still think she's sucking up to Jay?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:40 am
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S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:53 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?
Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?
@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am
I am on record as not believing in contributing to such lists, or rankings. I'm not a fan and I don't generally post them. Those here who have played with me a lot can attest.

Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.

That used to freak me out, too. Naming civs, like WTF. Extreme target painting. I still don't love rainbow lists, and prefer baddie hunting to townie hunting.

I'm used to it now.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:59 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:56 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:20 pm S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.
Intriguing take- I feel like I have the unique benefit of having just wolfed with her and I haven’t seen anything specific about her that is throwing off my paranoia alarm. And I’m usually paranoid of her as of the last 3 games before I wolf’ed with her.

Now do me do me
OK, you're freaking me out here. I don't think you've EVER said anything like this to/about me. Not the last 3 games. EVERY. GAME. Every one. You think I'm bad.

What did you take away from wolfing with me that makes you say this?

Also gotta go get ready for work. Love my new job, hate the longer commute.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:04 am One last *?*, Bereft seems to be only addressing/alluding to Robyn and Jay, with the exception of his towny list, which was an answer to Jay, if I'm not mistaken.

I would not be able to read him if I tried, is this a normal thing for him? I don't find it to be AI, it just stuck out to me skimming his ISO.
Where are SVS's own reads? A lot of her posts feel like commentary and not actually taking stances. LC's post used to be read as auto bad and Scotty's freaking her out, but she didn't make actual reads off those when I feel like it would be natural for her to do.

@S~V~S
[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:55 am I'm liking Cape so far, I think his curiosity about my RVS vote question was good and it feels like he's saying whatever takes come to mind.

Long Con
Scotty
JJJ
Cape

everyone else

LoRab
SVS

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:45 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:09 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:40 am
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S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:53 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?
Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?
@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am
I am on record as not believing in contributing to such lists, or rankings. I'm not a fan and I don't generally post them. Those here who have played with me a lot can attest.

Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.

That used to freak me out, too. Naming civs, like WTF. Extreme target painting. I still don't love rainbow lists, and prefer baddie hunting to townie hunting.

I'm used to it now.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:59 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:56 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:20 pm S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.
Intriguing take- I feel like I have the unique benefit of having just wolfed with her and I haven’t seen anything specific about her that is throwing off my paranoia alarm. And I’m usually paranoid of her as of the last 3 games before I wolf’ed with her.

Now do me do me
OK, you're freaking me out here. I don't think you've EVER said anything like this to/about me. Not the last 3 games. EVERY. GAME. Every one. You think I'm bad.

What did you take away from wolfing with me that makes you say this?

Also gotta go get ready for work. Love my new job, hate the longer commute.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:04 am One last *?*, Bereft seems to be only addressing/alluding to Robyn and Jay, with the exception of his towny list, which was an answer to Jay, if I'm not mistaken.

I would not be able to read him if I tried, is this a normal thing for him? I don't find it to be AI, it just stuck out to me skimming his ISO.
Where are SVS's own reads? A lot of her posts feel like commentary and not actually taking stances. LC's post used to be read as auto bad and Scotty's freaking her out, but she didn't make actual reads off those when I feel like it would be natural for her to do.

@S~V~S
[VOTE: SVS] aubergine
I don't really have any yet, or didn't as of this AM. My posts are a commentary, that's how I develop reads.

You seem a bit more aggro, and less considered, than I tend to associate with you. You're a person who weighs and balances, and this feels kinda the opposite, almost a bit jumpy.

Jay asked me a question about LC, I talked about how I feel about LC. Scotty is freaking me out. It doesn't mean I find any of it AI.
Tbh, my level of aggression depends on what kind of reads I have. This game I happened to find a couple pings right off the bat but some games I can go all day 1 without scumleans.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:05 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:00 pm @Thunal33 “investigate”? I’m watching him and reading his posts. How else am I supposed to investigate? Give him a DNA test?
Like, following up on the post somehow in the moment. You did ask what made him say that, but I'd expect a take on him from it or prodding him about other things to try to get a read.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:21 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:49 pm I do actually. When prompted to iso S~V~S to find the game I was referencing for comparison, I saw some posts I liked.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:19 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?
Probably. We tend to circle, and in the last game we played, I was bad and railroaded him hideously. I would be surprised if he wasn't somewhat paranoid of me. I haven't read why he susses me yet, I'm answering my @'s first.

Watching your game, I figured out what triggers me about him, he has an almost theatricality about him, that I view as acting to an extent, and to me acting = (in a Mafia game) fake = bad. So I was kinda interested to see what our dynamic was here.
Good, will elaborate on wrt the third quote, since it elaborates on this point.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:04 am One last *?*, Bereft seems to be only addressing/alluding to Robyn and Jay, with the exception of his towny list, which was an answer to Jay, if I'm not mistaken.

I would not be able to read him if I tried, is this a normal thing for him? I don't find it to be AI, it just stuck out to me skimming his ISO.
This is a correct reaction to my presence. For that matter, any interest at all in reading my slot tends to be is a good sign.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:53 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?
Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?
@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.
In my experience, mafia does not do this often, that is, give up trade secrets of how they play. If SVS if mafia, they can simply not say this and instead push LC on the expressed basis.

And in general, a recurring theme with SVS's posts is that I find them honest on a fundamental level. Whereas Scotty accused SVS of having comments and no reads, I think this is a good thing. Mafia is more inclined to bother forcing comments into reads, and whenever they get around to it to explaining their comments in more detail, SVS makes sense in why they havent turned observations into reada. I've played with town SVS at least once, and all of this has been congruent with my impression of them as generally not having alot of hard feelings on a lot of people.
Tbh, I think your point on SVS saying LC is an easy elim when she's bad makes sense. I don't necessarily agree on mafia being more inclined to force comments because sometimes it's hard to take hard stances as mafia.

I have a bit less confidence on my read on her since her return and she's someone I'm having a hard time sorting. Even on her return, she felt a bit more blendy and not ruffling feathers than I remember town SVS being. However I know my town style varies a lot based on what reads I have and it could be that SVS just doesn't have a reason to ruffle feathers yet.

If we assume Thunal is mafia, I don't think this is a good fit. S~V~S was Thunal's first real target, and I get the impression she'd have stayed the course [as mafia] were it not for Bereft's intervention.

From S~V~S

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:40 am
robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:42 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:10 pm @robyn @Bereft why are you voting me?

Also which one of you voted first?
because he voted you, second
Is there another reason? I saw your filler post about her. I tend to be somewhat paranoid of Thunal after watching her from the chatroom in Se7en. Since then, I've taken some fairly strong stances on her towniness in other games, but it was specifically becasue of things she said in those games, rather than as a meta overview. I have to work to actively find her, if that makes sense.

OK, I've just skipped around, I'll actually read back a bit before work.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:15 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:41 am oops, SVS I was going to ask you what your takes on LC/Scotty were.
I think LC is prolly town, I think Scotty is possibly not.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:00 pm @Thunal33 “investigate”? I’m watching him and reading his posts. How else am I supposed to investigate? Give him a DNA test?

That last post has a "what kind of comment was that??" sassy appeal that I think is more likely to come in mafia-town interactions than mafia-mafia.

~~~

I tend to doubt these two are both mafia. Unlikely teammates.

"Sassy" is charitable; I was annoyed and frustrated and probably should not have made that post at all, it was rude.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:54 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 6:53 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:29 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:31 pm At this point I have seen enough from others suspecting Scotty and felt good enough about it that I am fully demoting him to a mafia read. And he might be my only mafia read. Other suspects are just null.

So just to be clear- you’re on board because others have found independent indictments, and you yourself are just going along with them.

Oof. This might be bad Jay after all
OK, this is the last time I quote you, I promise.

I know you have told me games blend together for you. And we both died day/night 1 in that game due to circular suspicion, But I invite you to check jays ISO in Don't Starve, compare it to this, and come back and tell us he's bad again.
Also interested in me kissing babies

Now see, this is confirmation bias. Not you specifically, but in general with this whole town reading business. The new way to play, we're supposed to be looking for town. But also pointing out what you find town is ALSO pocketing. And imo this is 100% due to the lens a person is looking at a post through, whether it's "towny" or "pocketing". If someone you trust had made that post, which was very basic and far from fawning, you would not have even given it a second thought.

I think your play in that game looks nothing like this, so i said so. I am not interested in kissing up to you, I find the mental image of you kissing babies a bit hilarious, but based on the huge dichotomy between DS Jay and this Jay, I don't think you're bad, so there

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:47 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:25 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:50 pm Probably leaning DM or SVS over scotty as 4th atm just because 3 wolves on Seanzie is a lot.
Silly Rondo, if I was bad I would have killed you. It’s just WiFoM but you know it’s true.

And definitely not LC, who I have a high success rate against, one on one.

So keep leaning. BBL going to bed.
Hey this and S~V~S's return is indeed scummy

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

Whenever I am wolf, I usually make these type of bad WIFOM arguments when I am usually not the one controlling the NKs anyways so it's kinda just bad

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:30 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:25 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:25 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:50 pm Probably leaning DM or SVS over scotty as 4th atm just because 3 wolves on Seanzie is a lot.
Silly Rondo, if I was bad I would have killed you. It’s just WiFoM but you know it’s true.

And definitely not LC, who I have a high success rate against, one on one.

So keep leaning. BBL going to bed.
Why? Fluff my ego.
I’m fairly sure you can read me better than most people in this thread.

I also don’t have high confidence of maintaining a facade long term with you. Which would be my weakness rather than your strength, so fluff away.
Yes even with this

Okay but who comes into the thread IMMEDIATELY into a day proclaiming they aren't mafia because WIFOM? Doesn't sound like a towny thing to me

I do.

I was pleased to see Rondo show up to play, and not happy that he was eyeing me. And what I said was 100% true, and really aimed mainly at Rondo. If I were bad I would have pushed hard to kill him. I realize if i were bad, I wouldn't be the only decision maker, killing is a team call. But I tend to be a strong (read bossy) presence in baddie chat.

If I were bad I would find Rondo the biggest threat to me personally. And I do think he knows this.

Also, I don't spend alot of time worrying about what sounds "towny" since that seems to fluctuate, and be based on individual opinion.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:42 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:05 am I only got up to page 12.

But gotta go get ready for work, and will be 90% likely to be in the car when the poll ends unless the traffic gods smile on me, so i gotta vote now.

Gonna vote Scotty, he looks a bit flailing to me, of everyone, he's the only person who seriously pinged me. Of the others with votes, Michelle hasn't said enough for me to get a sense of her, and not voting Robyn. I'd rather give the host a day to wed out/replace no shows.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine
what do you mean by flailing?

Struggling to survive. Flailing specifically means like those pictures you see of a person standing on the edge of a deep drop, windmilling their arms to keep from falling. That's flailing.

And since apparently (afai can tell) Scotty is the reason I am so sus (even though the only reason i spent two hours talking about him and only him Friday AM is becasue I woke up to 8 or 9 notifications from him, and I try to answer my @'s since i know I don't like it when people ignore me. Thinking about it now, he is reminding me more of his play in Don't Starve than anything, where we were t/t. Scotty has an almost hysteria component to him when he gets on a roll (meant w/love @Scotty no shade intended) that I tend to read as bad. But yeah, I don't want to talk about him anymore

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:04 am I think I'm the only person town reading you

Well thanks for that; but it's a good reason you shouldn't say you'll sacrifice yourself for your reads, though.

It was a bit less intimidating coming in here with you being the only other person in here , lol.

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☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:53 am Imagine if Abigail did a reads list...

Abigails Rad Ass Reads List

Reads List Brought to you By Tomoyo Daidouji

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬ -

Imagine being the most towny town to ever town

‪Bereft‬ -

Okay so imagine right. Imagine you town read Bereft off Robyn's TR because it's the easy thing to do but than when you start paying attention you realize something. Bereft is a shell of the Bereft I remember in Nooks mafia league game when I like changed my whole style of reading mafia because of something he said. There his reads were thought provoking but he didn't just surface level them. He was the only one besides me who defended Rem because like she was playing too dumb to be a wolf. But here is like Abbi is wolfy when in reality I feel like he should be able to look deeper at my play like he did there with Rem. I feel like he's taking the easy route. The route that allows him to move fluidly to the easiest kill without drawing suspicion.

‪Cape90‬ -

So not gonna lie part of this is just like I think the wolf world I'm settling into is like never compatible with Cape. I want them to answer me about their read on me but I think the way they are pushing back against consensus is pretty towny because it feels like genuine solving

‪DarlingMonroe‬ -

I really wanted DM to be towny but they dropped like one post that was pretty meh than dipped. No real takes on anyone. Half the players are solidly null like they are afraid to take a stand. Just...mid.

‪DrWilgy‬ -

Vibes. But also like there's a few micro tells I have for Wilgy he's hit in how he posts as town and how he solves

‪JaggedJimmyJay‬ -

I feel like...J3 is actively flooding the thread in a way that LOOKS beneficial to town but is actually extremely harmful to town. Okay so imagine a town of like Wilgy SVS DM fuck even me. We are so far behind that flooding the thread means we can never have a full picture of the game. If the team is Robyn and J3 than like... fuck and if it's Robyn J3 Bereft straight GGs they have successfully flooded out all of town.

In effect I also just don't find J3s attitude of "I've solved the game" too match the thread state and I think his solving is easily faked by him and not as great as everyone thinks. I feel like his paired teams are just like... surface level reads that feel hollow

‪LoRab‬ -

I don't remember any of their posts

‪Michelle‬ -

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.

‪robyn‬ -

I feel like Robyn is hyping up them and J3 carrying this game but I can't remember anything Robyn has contributed besides chopping an AFK towny to save an lhf towny EoD1... maybe and like posting a bunch of nothing. Which reminds me of the game we just played where Robyn was wolf and did not try to actively solve until they were on the block

‪RondoDimBuckle‬ -

Rondo is just unhinged hyper crazy town Rondo and his holier than thou listen to me I solved the game attitude never comes from wolf

‪Scotty‬ -

I think that their day 1 was bad and I can't get over it and I think this posting gimmick is always used onto a wolf that's in the PoE to make them look townier.

Tell me now what wolf team doesn't gimmick Bereft Robyn J3 fuck even Thunal or Me over PoEd Scotty if your gonna target a town. Like you rather the loud voices and make them harder to understand.

‪S~V~S‬ -

A couple towny posts day 1 that got this read snowballing and hit home with me. I think the attitude and frustration is always from town in the posts I'm thinking of. Could use them being around today though to lock this in stone cold.

‪Thunal33‬ -

Their entrance today was badge but their push on me makes... more sense than Robyn's and Berefts. Meh.

‪not reading ts account

Town Core

Rondo
SVS
Cape
Wilgy
Michelle

Game is fucking hard anyone acting like it's not is...nagl

I am here, I had a family issue yesterday.

LoRab hasn't posted in several days, but it is a Jewish Holiday, and she's a Rabbi and teaches kids at her synagogue, so I'd imagine it's a busy week for her. It makes me kinda sad that she has votes.

I still haven't checked my @s (or gotten my coffee).

Can someone explain the Michelle case to me? Imma read her ISO, I recall she had votes Day 1, but I never caught up to why.

Also why does LoRab have votes? It's Hanukah and she's a Rabbi. I checked and she hasn't posted in days. Good lord.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:38 am Plausible Thunal teams within my interactive analysis (so S~V~S/Scotty combinations included):

[Thunal, Michelle, SVS, ts account] - all ts account | Michelle/S~V~S; Thunal/Michelle | Thunal/S~V~S
[Thunal, Michelle, Abigail, ts account] - all ts account | Michelle/Abigail; Thunal/Michelle | Thunal/Abigail
[Thunal, Michelle, LoRab, ts account] - all ts account | Michelle/LoRab; Thunal/Michelle | Thunal/LoRab
[Thunal, Scotty, Abigail, ts account] - all ts account | Abigail/Scotty; Thunal/Abigail | Thunal/Scotty
[Thunal, SVS, LoRab, ts account] - all ts account | LoRab/S~V~S; Thunal/S~V~S | Thunal/LoRab
[Thunal, Abigail, LoRab, ts account] - all ts account | Abigail/LoRab; Thunal/LoRab | Thunal/Abigail
[Thunal, Scotty, Michelle, ts account] - all ts account; Scotty/Michelle; Thunal/Scotty | Thunal/Michelle
[Thunal, Scotty, LoRab, ts account] - all ts account; Scotty/LoRab; Thunal/Scotty | Thunal/LoRab
[Thunal, Michelle, SVS, LoRab] - S~V~S/LoRab | S~V~S/Michelle | Michelle/LoRab; all Thunal
[Thunal, Michelle, Abigail, LoRab] - Michelle/Abigail | Michelle/LoRab | Abigail/LoRab, all Thunal
[Thunal, Scotty, Michelle, Abigail] - Abigail/Michelle | Abigail/Scotty; Scotty/Michelle; all Thunal
[Thunal, Scotty, Abigail, LoRab] - Abigail/Scotty | Abigail/LoRab; LoRab/Scotty; all Thunal
[Thunal, SVS, Abigail, ts account] - all ts account; all Thunal | S~V~S/Abigail
[Thunal, Michelle, SVS, Abigail] - Michelle/Abigail | Michelle/S~V~S; S~V~S/Abigail | all Thunal
[Thunal, SVS, Abigail, LoRab] - LoRab/Abigail | LoRab/S~V~S; all Thunal | S~V~S/Abigail
[Thunal, Scotty, Michelle, LoRab] - Michelle/LoRab; Scotty/LoRab | Scotty/Michelle; all Thunal

I might have overlooked something here. This requires immense concentration. But it should be a reasonably complete summary. Once again I have loosely ranked them from most to least viable (very subjective).

OK, I'm pretty smart and I have an (old) STEM degree, but this is insane. What does this even mean? I mean I get the theme, but I'm not sure how to interpret the annotations.

When you said something to me in the Severance chat about something remindind you of your ten years ago self, I didn't realize you were being nostalgic ha ha

Oh two votes. Well, that's not that bad lol.

OK, I had a pretty ugly day yesterday, it involved going to another state to help a family member in an emergency. Everyone is all right, I picked up my dog and am back home. It could have been worse, it was the next state over, but still. Didn't have much time for Mafia.

Will try to catch up to why I have 3 votes, but I'm shot. Gonna make some coffee and be back in a bit, to read my @'s and try to catch up at least somewhat.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:25 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:25 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:50 pm Probably leaning DM or SVS over scotty as 4th atm just because 3 wolves on Seanzie is a lot.
Silly Rondo, if I was bad I would have killed you. It’s just WiFoM but you know it’s true.

And definitely not LC, who I have a high success rate against, one on one.

So keep leaning. BBL going to bed.
Why? Fluff my ego.

I’m fairly sure you can read me better than most people in this thread.

I also don’t have high confidence of maintaining a facade long term with you. Which would be my weakness rather than your strength, so fluff away.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:24 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:20 pm damn, I called curse but its scotty that copped it
In no harmony would mingle need to buzz you- based on your flibber Dusk, you tumble of that already

Oh wtf lol.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:50 pm Probably leaning DM or SVS over scotty as 4th atm just because 3 wolves on Seanzie is a lot.

Silly Rondo, if I was bad I would have killed you. It’s just WiFoM but you know it’s true.

And definitely not LC, who I have a high success rate against, one on one.

So keep leaning. BBL going to bed.

I only got up to page 12.

But gotta go get ready for work, and will be 90% likely to be in the car when the poll ends unless the traffic gods smile on me, so i gotta vote now.

Gonna vote Scotty, he looks a bit flailing to me, of everyone, he's the only person who seriously pinged me. Of the others with votes, Michelle hasn't said enough for me to get a sense of her, and not voting Robyn. I'd rather give the host a day to wed out/replace no shows.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:29 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:31 pm At this point I have seen enough from others suspecting Scotty and felt good enough about it that I am fully demoting him to a mafia read. And he might be my only mafia read. Other suspects are just null.

So just to be clear- you’re on board because others have found independent indictments, and you yourself are just going along with them.

Oof. This might be bad Jay after all

OK, this is the last time I quote you, I promise.

I know you have told me games blend together for you. And we both died day/night 1 in that game due to circular suspicion, But I invite you to check jays ISO in Don't Starve, compare it to this, and come back and tell us he's bad again.

Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:55 pm Im getting a chuckle out of the fact that Scotty/SVS interactions have continued to be of enduring interest in the thread, even as I've found them useful for one thing and nothing else.

Now I'm seeing where all my @'s from last night came from. I've made what 25 posts this game, and I think Scotty quoted all of them lol

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:50 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:19 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:17 pm I'm somewhat confused by people seeming to think that me saying Scotty is freaking me out a bit is somehow tonally weird or over the top. But OK.
I suppose I found it "dramatic" in that, when Scotty said you hadn't tripped his alarms, I think you had made exactly three posts. So it's not surprising that no alarms would be tripped in so few posts.
Scotty and I play almost all the same games, we're "boosters" I guess. And I can tell you that in almost all of them, if not all, I don't remember every post in every game, he shows some level of skepticism of me very early. And the fact that he was town reading me in three posts after a year of that, yeah. I found that to be freaky.
What if I outright call you town? Will you internally combust?

I’m not yet, and that probably is because you’re taking this point and continuing to run with it

And again, trying to make me look like a psycho over the top person. I was continuing to run with it becasue I was replying to people asking me about it. See the original nested remark.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:48 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:13 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:38 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:35 pm I am considering dropping Scotty as a premier town read. There have been a few doubts raised that at least piqued my interest, and I want those dialogues to develop before I commit myself to that viewpoint. For the time being I will place him in purgatory.
Yeah, did you like that S~V~S reaction to him? I thought her point sounded legit.
I thought S~V~S seemed a bit dramatic in that response, and I don't actually know if "I have never seen this before" is true -- but if so it'd be worth consideration. I think your gripe was valid about Scotty calling your wacky "drunk" post a town post.
I don't recall seeing this before, no. Scotty is always skeptical of me early game.
ok, so what? Now that I have been *wrong* twice and seen you wolf personally, I can’t give you a chance to develop without outright finding fleas on you?

I don’t operate in 0’s and 1’s

Twice? Maybe more than that, lol. I thought about this, and you said you hadn't been bad for i think you told me 20 games, until we were bad together in Guitars. And tbh you're approaching me not unlike how you approached me there, where we were teammates, except we're not teammates here. This is the first I've heard of this tell, as well. So color me skeptical.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:45 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:09 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:40 am
Spoiler: show
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:53 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?
Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?
@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am
I am on record as not believing in contributing to such lists, or rankings. I'm not a fan and I don't generally post them. Those here who have played with me a lot can attest.

Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.

That used to freak me out, too. Naming civs, like WTF. Extreme target painting. I still don't love rainbow lists, and prefer baddie hunting to townie hunting.

I'm used to it now.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:59 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:56 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:20 pm S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.
Intriguing take- I feel like I have the unique benefit of having just wolfed with her and I haven’t seen anything specific about her that is throwing off my paranoia alarm. And I’m usually paranoid of her as of the last 3 games before I wolf’ed with her.

Now do me do me
OK, you're freaking me out here. I don't think you've EVER said anything like this to/about me. Not the last 3 games. EVERY. GAME. Every one. You think I'm bad.

What did you take away from wolfing with me that makes you say this?

Also gotta go get ready for work. Love my new job, hate the longer commute.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:04 am One last *?*, Bereft seems to be only addressing/alluding to Robyn and Jay, with the exception of his towny list, which was an answer to Jay, if I'm not mistaken.

I would not be able to read him if I tried, is this a normal thing for him? I don't find it to be AI, it just stuck out to me skimming his ISO.
Where are SVS's own reads? A lot of her posts feel like commentary and not actually taking stances. LC's post used to be read as auto bad and Scotty's freaking her out, but she didn't make actual reads off those when I feel like it would be natural for her to do.

@S~V~S
[VOTE: SVS] aubergine
I don't really have any yet, or didn't as of this AM. My posts are a commentary, that's how I develop reads.

You seem a bit more aggro, and less considered, than I tend to associate with you. You're a person who weighs and balances, and this feels kinda the opposite, almost a bit jumpy.

Jay asked me a question about LC, I talked about how I feel about LC. Scotty is freaking me out. It doesn't mean I find any of it AI.
I’m still freaking you out? Impressive.

Maybe I’ll wear this tshirt and jeans combo for Halloween next year

No. I was using it in the context of my original statement, referencing observations rather than reads.

Plus I used that phrase in my reply to LoRab (in the spoilered part of the post you quoted), who also used it herself. So it is just a colloquialism, not an over the top baddie ranting.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:36 pm
Spoiler: show
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:24 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:52 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:08 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:04 pm Sooooo if I’m reading it right, Rupert’s money is responsible for the killing? So can they choose not to kill?
Probably. My interpretation is that they have to purchase kills (implying they can decline to do so), and that while Rupert is alive he is the only one that can kill. Then once he goes, any of the others can kill.

Important for any investigative roles out there to think about (i.e., tracker/watcher).
I didn't think about him being the only person who can kill, but that makes sense. That makes it much more important for Rupert to avoid sus than the other mafia and he might act differently because of that pressure. Kind of reminds me of John Doe in se7en where that role was important so SVS had pressure to go deep with it.
This was my thought but I was kinda sorta hoping to identify that trait later on in the day without influencing gameplay. But that’s fine
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:15 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:09 pm I didn't think about him being the only person who can kill, but that makes sense. That makes it much more important for Rupert to avoid sus than the other mafia and he might act differently because of that pressure. Kind of reminds me of John Doe in se7en where that role was important so SVS had pressure to go deep with it.
Perhaps so. I'm not entirely sure the role is that important since they retain their kill without it. It's just the early killer (if that interpretation is accurate). I just noted that town doesn't seem to have any night actions that would interact directly with a killing mafia member other than an even night role blocker (no tracker or watcher). We have protections, but they don't mean anything with respect to who is killing. It might not matter than much, and it appears that it means close to nothing on Night 1. I could be overlooking something.
From my understanding, the Rupert role is the designated power of attorney, and if he dies, mafia lose the ability to cop and elim save.

Sounds pretty important to me
We need to kill him. That elim save is a game-changer.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:59 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:23 pm Scotty is town. Oozing when you read his ISO. Helpful, redundantly helpful, which looks honest.

HA HA HA H AHA AHAHSHAHAHSGSGHAGHAGH I'm not repeating this from that other game though. "Scotty good, S~V~S bad!" I was half-right. But I'll have nightmares if I do it again. I'm flipping all my reads on Day 4, and I'm literally not joking.
I’m curious- why did you townread me for so long in the last game? I can’t tell if you’re actually serious in this read.
In the game where you were bad with S~V~S? I just got a vibe from you early and decided to stick with it. Was that the flipless game? I needed an anchor, and chose poorly.

I was serious in this read. We'll see if it sticks.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:02 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?
Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?
Go drunk, LC, you’re home
No! Well yes. But no! More next break --->

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:28 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:16 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?
Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?
But this is an unhinged towny post
OK, but really. Baddie LC doesn't let himself post silly/drunkish comments.
Are you sure?

--> cont'd from above: WAS it an "unhinged towny post"? Is everyone okay with JJJ's question? It blew my mind last night because I didn't feel like it was asking ANYTHING. Is it towny or wolfy? "On-brand"? So, what, is JJJ worried that I'm not really me right now? Is that what he's confirming with S~V~S??

And I still can't even handle "on-brand or not (or neither)", like, what? Are we trying to determine if I'm quasi-semi-myself before we try to think about alignment?

How does this stuff not make other people question it? WHAT DOES IT MEAN? If it has no meaning, then what does that say about JJJ?

Forget it, I don't even care.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:07 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:35 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:28 am I assumed the swear jar was a joke, but I could be wrong!
I mean, it could be....but it seems weird to phrase it that way in the roles if it isn't important. If a civ curses, do we give money to Giles (sorry, Rupert)? Or do we take money away from him? Seems like it would be prudent to not risk giving mafia more power, and keep our language clean.

Also, hi, to all!! And, I'm Lorab :Lorab: for those I don't know. I'm an old timer, and have been convinced to come back, lol. Important thing to know is that I have a super quirky schedule, and many times that are great for everyone else are, well, not great for me. So, I'm sometimes MIA. The RAB in my screen name stands for Rabbi--and yes, I actually am. And, that means that weekends are weird. Just so you know.

For what it's worth, I'm reading LC as civ. And I mostly agree with him. Weird. I also thing J3 is probably civ, although keeping a note in my mind that he might just be acting aggressively civ to avoid suspicion, but I'm not feeling that at least for the moment.
So nice to have you back LoRab!

In case others don’t know, this emoji is hers.

This is mine

JJJ is firmly a neutral town lean- he’s adding to discussion so he is a boon to town atm regardless
LC is not quite on my town radar yet. Lean scum
Good. I don't give you permission to townread me.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:31 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:20 pm S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.
Humoring Jay? Nah. I kinda thought I was shading him a slight bit, tbh, with the call back to the game where he was bad.

How would saying jay fooled everyone as a baddie in a game, and pointing out that he was contradicting himself by being super active be "humoring" him? Poking someone with a small, soft stick =/= humoring.
Noooo, sorry, I was loose-verbing it. You weren't "humouring him", you were "humouring in", as in, entering the thread on a little wave of mild humour.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:59 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:56 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:20 pm S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.
Intriguing take- I feel like I have the unique benefit of having just wolfed with her and I haven’t seen anything specific about her that is throwing off my paranoia alarm. And I’m usually paranoid of her as of the last 3 games before I wolf’ed with her.

Now do me do me
OK, you're freaking me out here. I don't think you've EVER said anything like this to/about me. Not the last 3 games. EVERY. GAME. Every one. You think I'm bad.

What did you take away from wolfing with me that makes you say this?

Also gotta go get ready for work. Love my new job, hate the longer commute.
I like this S~V~S read of Scotty. Maybe she ain't that bad, and he is.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:35 amLike Caterpie into Metapod, I have evolved!
After being utterly wrong about you before we were partners, I figure what I once viewed as suspicious in a vacuum is just you.

You have some quirks that i picked up on that I’m not going to reveal yet. But rest assured, dear Svs, I haven’t seen them so far. Just don’t do them and we’ll be golden
Absolute red flag. The secret S~V~S tells that he has, that he of course isn't sharing. This feels like a lie toped with a cheers for extra smoothness.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:37 pm I've counted six players so far that have provided reads of some kind, including town reads (to varying degrees). The following players have been read as town by at least four others:

LoRab, JJJ, DarlingMonroe, and Scotty

How do we feel about that? I invite anyone to answer. Are these good names to have in a "town block" or no? Do you feel comfortable with that game state?
Scotty's out, sorry. Maybe you as well. LoRab is fine, I don't have cognizance of DM yet.

I think you’re still scarred from our last game together, so I totally understand.

“Absolute red flag. The secret S~V~S tells that he has, that he of course isn't sharing. This feels like a lie toped with a cheers for extra smoothness.”
My dude, at that point SVS hadn’t posted much at all, and if im looking for specific vibes and behavior, why would I just out them so she…just doesn’t do them?

Up until this point, I’ve been so paranoid about SVS in games on D1, I need to take a step back. I don’t get the impression as of now that she has the same gameplay as I have seen when she’s bad. But she needs to engage more.

And unfortunately I town read you, even if you don’t give me permission and apparently are deadset on tunneling me, which i (guess??) you are doing

It's too cold to walk the dog on concrete, we just did the yard this AM, so I actually have time to read the thread a bit, not just reply to @s (most of which seem to be from you?) and do some real time. And, this is a borderline post, since it doesn't really relate to suspicion, but more to general game play, but meh.

I like to tell people their tells, it makes for a more challenging game going forward. Winning is nice, but winning becasue you figured them out, is nicer, IMO. So you can tell me

@Thunal33 “investigate”? I’m watching him and reading his posts. How else am I supposed to investigate? Give him a DNA test?

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