The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Sorsha wrote:SVS's mission is to kill all the circle members for killing MM. Why would she make a deal with one?
I don't think she necessarily realized he was circle when she made the deal. But I know she is true to her word and think she would keep to it, even if she regretted it.

Also, she could be lying about her mission to kill all the circle members.

S~V~S wrote:There are only 8 people, you can't be more specific?

I feel like I am being kind of an asshole, so I am going to walk away for a bit. But conventional wisdom has been saying there are 2 circle members left; any ideas there?

If I am wrong and you are NOT circle i am sorry. But killing MM who hurt noone except a probable serial killer has mama bear-ed me more than I would have thought.
You ARE wrong. And I forgive you.

And it's not that hard to look at the list of players and take off the list of names of people I suspect to some degree or other and see who is left. I don't need to name civs.

And, as I've said a few times, I don't know who are the baddies. I agree that there are likely 2 circle and 1 Witherdeath. But with the possibility of recruitment, or being wrong on numbers, then I accept that there could be a 4th baddie. Hence why I said that there are probably 3, but there could be 4.

There are 2 of you that I feel pretty sure are bad (you and Tranq). I know I am good. The others are question marks to me, the ones I've named with pings, and the others penciled in as civs.
I amdead serious about MM. And same question to you as Draco asked; if you lynch me & Tranq, which one or two people do you also think are also bad? There are 3 or 4 left.If you are right about me (and you are not) and Tranq, who would you try to lynch next?

Can you say the actual names of the people you suspect? Directly? Without a lot of qualifiers & other text?

Now really, I have to bake cookies and shit.

S~V~S wrote:So who besides me & Tranq is bad then?

Did you miss these Lorab? The consensus is that there are 3 or 4 baddies. If you are correct about me (uou aren't) and Tranq (no clue) who will you be gping after next?

Just a name or two

So who besides me & Tranq is bad then?

She isn't.

LoRab wrote:
Sorsha wrote:SVS's mission is to kill all the circle members for killing MM. Why would she make a deal with one?
I don't think she necessarily realized he was circle when she made the deal. But I know she is true to her word and think she would keep to it, even if she regretted it.

Also, she could be lying about her mission to kill all the circle members.

S~V~S wrote:There are only 8 people, you can't be more specific?

I feel like I am being kind of an asshole, so I am going to walk away for a bit. But conventional wisdom has been saying there are 2 circle members left; any ideas there?

If I am wrong and you are NOT circle i am sorry. But killing MM who hurt noone except a probable serial killer has mama bear-ed me more than I would have thought.
You ARE wrong. And I forgive you.

And it's not that hard to look at the list of players and take off the list of names of people I suspect to some degree or other and see who is left. I don't need to name civs.

And, as I've said a few times, I don't know who are the baddies. I agree that there are likely 2 circle and 1 Witherdeath. But with the possibility of recruitment, or being wrong on numbers, then I accept that there could be a 4th baddie. Hence why I said that there are probably 3, but there could be 4.

There are 2 of you that I feel pretty sure are bad (you and Tranq). I know I am good. The others are question marks to me, the ones I've named with pings, and the others penciled in as civs.

I amdead serious about MM. And same question to you as Draco asked; if you lynch me & Tranq, which one or two people do you also think are also bad? There are 3 or 4 left.If you are right about me (and you are not) and Tranq, who would you try to lynch next?

Can you say the actual names of the people you suspect? Directly? Without a lot of qualifiers & other text?

Now really, I have to bake cookies and shit.

linki that was @Lorab

There are only 8 people, you can't be more specific?

I feel like I am being kind of an asshole, so I am going to walk away for a bit. But conventional wisdom has been saying there are 2 circle members left; any ideas there?

If I am wrong and you are NOT circle i am sorry. But killing MM who hurt noone except a probable serial killer has mama bear-ed me more than I would have thought.

Maybe cause you don't know who else to say is the Circle?

Can you tell me who besides you & Dom you think is a civ?

Linki,but couldn't thatmake him cabal as well? Why specifically Circle?

Lower level suspects? There are 8 people left,including yourself.

Why doyou think Tranq is circle?

So none of your Circle suspects, Draco, for instance? With only 8 people left you only find 2 people suspicious?

So Lorab,if you did NOT have to save yourself, if I was already dead, who would you be voting for?

Sorsha wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Sorry for all the multi posts. I amwaiting for someone to say something, anything, and it isn't happening.

SVS LIST OF WHO IS NOT CIRCLE

Draco
Golden
Splints
SVS
Tranq

COULD BE CIRCLE

Sorsha

If there are 2 original circle left plus the recruit, then it has to be Sorsha. If only one,I apologize, Sorsha. Telling me you stabbed my raccoon was not helpful.

NO REASON TO THINK THEY ARE ANYTHING BUT CIRCLE

Lorab
Dom

Everyone on that first list i have very very very good reasons to think they are either civs, or people not involved in the death of Metalmarsh.

If you know different, Lorab, please tell me

Linki,so Sorsha,maybe Draco,maybe Splints? Maybe Tranq?

That is who you think is potentially in the circle?
Lol... That raccoon thing was a joke svs, come on. That's not even something that could happen...

Ha ha I know ...but I did PM LC to check

Why are you not trying to lynch these people? So close to the end and all?

Sorry for all the multi posts. I amwaiting for someone to say something, anything, and it isn't happening.

SVS LIST OF WHO IS NOT CIRCLE

Draco
Golden
Splints
SVS
Tranq

COULD BE CIRCLE

Sorsha

If there are 2 original circle left plus the recruit, then it has to be Sorsha. If only one,I apologize, Sorsha. Telling me you stabbed my raccoon was not helpful.

NO REASON TO THINK THEY ARE ANYTHING BUT CIRCLE

Lorab
Dom

Everyone on that first list i have very very very good reasons to think they are either civs, or people not involved in the death of Metalmarsh.

If you know different, Lorab, please tell me

Linki,so Sorsha,maybe Draco,maybe Splints? Maybe Tranq?

That is who you think is potentially in the circle?

I just looked,I did not see that post. Can you help me out?

This board is hard to search,I would appreciate it if you would list your Circle suspects again

If you are a civ, you must want to make people aware of ALL the baddies whose lynch might save you, not just me.

you won't just say a name again?

Who do you think is the circle,Lorab?

The people I do think are the Circle are people I don't want to think would kill someone they did not need dead to win. So I really hope I am wrong. But someone has to be the circle, and I don't think it is Draco, Golden, Tranq, Splints or me. Jurys still out on Sorsha tbh. But you & Dom, yeah,I don't see any other solution.

I kind of think you did,maybe another of those freudian slips

Death to the circle, that's all I'm saying. Killing someone you don't need dead for your win cons simply to get to someone else sucks.

I think Tranq is trying to lynch the Circle, and I am ALL about lynching them dead.

Linki, but you & I don't think at all alike as we know

Well,I know I am gonna lose today. Lorab has basically implied she is Skittlebitz, making preemptive excuses for having less votes than it seems. I know when I flip everyone is gonna say, "Oh well Trickster".

But um,no,

Please lynch Dom next. He is so bad it isn't funny.

Taking a note from Matts book, Peace

Draconus wrote:More than me, apparently

That's ridiculous.

I am not 100% sure Golden is actually paying attention. Who needs to read the thread if you have info?

linki @ Golden, well good luck with that.
Linki @ MM <3

I feel like a victim, lol. I keep looking over my shoulder expecting to see Ramsey Snow. Instead I see tranq & Sorsha

I would rather vote for Dom, he is not even trying to be objective, even remotely. But if it is Lorab, so be it. Dom has been *rabid* for me to an extent that is almost frightening. Since he & Lorab appear to be hand in glove, I have to assume she feels the same way, even if she is more circumspect.

Linki~ you trust Dom?

Dom wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Dom wrote:
Draconus wrote:
Dom wrote:I can't fathom how someone would hear that Tranq and SVS made a deal so don't worry about it and not think WTF.
I'm not worried because I trust Tranq and I'm not on the other team
....so you trust SVS because you trust Tranq... you trust someone who openly admitted to being bad?
When did this happen?
Semantics, but:
S~V~S wrote: So I am not a huge fan of this being discussed this way, since it is not true, and I have not admitted I was bad to anyone.
When will you admit you're bad?

Oh OK,so you are kind of stretching here; rather misleading of you. You kind of totally ignored the "since it is not true part", but that is just semantics, too, eh?

I was half expecting you to post the parrot picture, so this is better than I expected.

And I am not admitting anything anytime soon since there really is nothing to admit

Dom wrote:
Draconus wrote:
Dom wrote:I can't fathom how someone would hear that Tranq and SVS made a deal so don't worry about it and not think WTF.
I'm not worried because I trust Tranq and I'm not on the other team
....so you trust SVS because you trust Tranq... you trust someone who openly admitted to being bad?

When did this happen?

yeah,dom. I was saying you should go ask TH, your teammate.

And Golden,I could do that. I would so much rather lynch Dom. Becasue he can see how much this is upsetting me, and he has not once said that I have to know he would never do such a thing. Which he would do it he was civ, I am100% sure of it.

Night all. time to walk away.

It was kind of a swipe at Dom, tbh.

Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:That's a good question, tbh. A really good question.
Don't get me wrong either, SVS. You still could be bad. The points about your defences of Luke and Juliets stand. But I don't think we should blindly pile on anyone.

My point is though that that is not any more damning than Doms record, or anyone elses. I went from "made some bad decisions" to "known" baddie.

Dom won't even address any of the points against him,for instance, yet he is the biggest pitchfork waver.

It's bullshit, and the only reason it happened imo is that with MM protecting me, this was the best way to get rid of me.

Linki @ Splints, I told him to ask Turnip Head becasue A} TurnipHead was MY teammate,and knew exactly what I was thinking and, B} Becasue I think Turnip Head & Dom are in the same chatroom,so it would be the easiest way to handle it

Dom could just pop into the chat and ask him.

That's a good question, tbh. A really good question.

Becasue I am not about win conditions, and never have been. This is very similar to HSK to my mind. I know I cannot win, since either A) the civs have to be alive to win,or B)~ what everyone thinks

~ I am the last Circle. But since I cannot win, I want to be damn sure the Cabal can't win.

Killing MM was not necessary. The host even said so, yet they did it anyhow. Rude.

And how would crusading against the baddie killers of MM hurt the civs, or help the cabal, exactly?

As for Tranq, I think he is tsalking out of his ass. He is making assumptions and speaking as if they are truths. In other words, he is acting exactly like Tranq. And I said up there:

I think someone said a bunch of crap to me based on the presumption that I am bad. So I am not a huge fan of this being discussed this way, since it is not true, and I have not admitted I was bad to anyone. But at this point all I really care about it that the people who killed Metalmarsh die. That was unnecessary. He put his faith in me, and it got him screwed. All I care about at this point is that the Circle does NOT win, other than that I don't particularly care who does. Circle members, ask TH how I am about this kind of thing, he was my teammate in HSK.

Tranq has said a great deal to me based on the supposition that I am bad, as I said ^^ personally, I kind of agree with him. When numbers are this tight, and no one seems to have a consensus on just who the circle is, it would make more sense to sort that out first.

i am beginning to see why G Man likes doing this.

You sound like a parrot.

Tranq wrote:Well, let's see. Let's ask everyone. Answering no wouldn't be against the rules.

Draconus, did you recruit Dom? Unlikely, given the btsc we shared and his suspicion of you Day 12.
fingersplints, did you recruit Dom? I guess not, as fingersplints is your Circle suspect.
Golden, did you recruit Dom? Unlikely, given Golden considered you a suspect Day 12 here and here.
LoRab, did you recruit Dom?
S~V~S, did you recruit Dom? Haha maybe it's S~V~S!
Sorsha, did you recruit Dom? I guess not, as Sorsha is your Circle suspect.

No I did not recruit Dom.

Dom wrote:
Tranq wrote:Forgot to include LoRab in your list?
Yeah- I did.

You forgot to include me too

I think someone said a bunch of crap to me based on the presumption that I am bad. So I am not a huge fan of this being discussed this way, since it is not true, and I have not admitted I was bad to anyone. But at this point all I really care about it that the people who killed Metalmarsh die. That was unnecessary. He put his faith in me, and it got him screwed. All I care about at this point is that the Circle does NOT win, other than that I don't particularly care who does. Circle members, ask TH how I am about this kind of thing, he was my teammate in HSK.

You killed my marmot.

Dom wrote:Either SVS NKs tonight or the circle NKs tonight-- why does it matter who? Why are you against getting a known baddie out rather than risking a mislynch?

"Known"?

How is it "known"? It is widely supposed, yes, but that is not the same as "known". It is also not true, but that is apparently besides the point with you. You were practically drooling with anticipation to lynch me when Bass flipped as he did, tbh, and I am not really sure why.

I am sorry MM, I tried so hard. You didn't want to move I made you move. You were right to be scared.

RIP.

I went with Beach~ I have always loved the Mountains, but blue waters & warm sands are more appealing as I get older

Guys don't vote for metalmarsh, you know he is not bad, and lynching him will not end the game. It sucks.

Well it was not me

And you need to lynch ALL the baddies,not just one of them. Keep that in mind. I am not one of them, and MM is certainly not. But even if I were, picking on MM sucks tbh when there are actual baddies you have to kill after him anyhow. If you thought I was the last baddie,i could see this. But you don't you are just refusing to see what is right in front of your face.

Honestly, every time i turn around someone accuses me of doing something seriously stupid ha ha.

Um, bodies are still lying around. Leaving bodies behind you would be lame. Plus there are ways to know who was on what square.

The thing that disturbs me most about this game is the stupid things I am being accused of doing. Seriously, guys.

Waits for Dom to say *WIFOM*

I didn't

Killing people on the same square would be suicidal.

So if I am rude,I am being snide, and if I am nice I am bieng manipulative?

Gotcha

Dom wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Calling it a fancy name like "straw man" or whatever jargon does not change that you are voting for someone who is no threat to you just because. You aren't paying attention.

Hiding behind strategy terms does not make it better tbh. If you think I am bad, have some balls and vote for me. But voting for MM becasue he trusted you and told you the truth about his role sucks.
#1) Why so snide? As you said before, it doesn't suit you well.
#2)
A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.
So, yeah. I understand that technically, MM does not need to die for a civ win, but in practice-- he does.

I was talking to Golden, actually. I missed the Linki. And I did not think i was being snide; and if you think I have been being snide, you don't know me as well as I thought you did. I think Golden is misguided, and I am somewhat upset about that, but I don't think "snide" is fair. And yeah, strawman is the kind of thing Llama & Epi pepper their posts with. So I know what it is. I would not expect you to defend it.

Calling it a fancy name like "straw man" or whatever jargon does not change that you are voting for someone who is no threat to you just because. You aren't paying attention.

Hiding behind strategy terms does not make it better tbh. If you think I am bad, have some balls and vote for me. But voting for MM becasue he trusted you and told you the truth about his role sucks.

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