The Syndicate

Oké, dat was totaal onverwacht. Sorry Windward dat ik je verkeerd heb ingeschat.

ik ga op dit moment Katie schapen schamen!



Ik hou van babyschaapjes! heel schattig!!

[VOTE: Neonlicht] aubergine

I finally thought of what Windwards posts put me I mind of; Dizzy in GOC.

Windward, you are a master of manipulation, your posts are so nicely crafted. I admire your skill

M sorry you’re having to spend your holiday here.

I’m leaving my vote where it is.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:48 pm Alright I won't vote wind today bc it will be a bigger loss if she is town bc she is solving and leading. We can determine if that's powerwolfing after more flips

And if she's wolf I now think she's more likely tmiing neon than saving her maybe. If she's town I can follow the read for today

So that all combined with letting up on Kate/SVS (though I still don't feel great about SVS) and with falcon still not really doing anything inspiring

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Yeah but I'm solving and leading cause I'm gonna be mostly afk from Thursday through Sunday lol

ALSO if you have time, after Windwards ISO is open, and you searched for Neon, search THOSE results for Nutella.

I know everyone things "post post post MORE" but it's also easier to lose things people said three calendar days ago when they have a hundred posts a day.

Sorry sorry sorry, for the super gigantic ugly post. I got lost in an ISO, and it was easier to make one big post than several smaller, and my spoiler tagging always seems to break.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:35 am Kate had SVS dead to absolute rights the last game they both played. Remember? Literally saw through her like she was a complete noob. It was godly.

Kate will not be wrong on SVS if she is town. If SVS is mafia Kate is not town Kate is mafia.

Kate MAYBE pocketing SVS. But I would expect SVS to have at least humoured the thought given the situation we find ourselves in.

They are either wolves or they are town with absolutely disgustingly good meta reads on each other. If they are t/w I will be ... mildly annoyed at the town between them lol.

But seriously I am very confident it's not t/t.

The more I talk the more I am convincing myself especially that Nutella only dies over 1 of them if they are both mafia tbh. We are on day 3 and have had SVS and Kate mason town locking each other. Kate who BREAKS wolf teams with her soul reads. Zero wolf flips and both alive?

When Kate tries to pocket me, she's very tentative not bold. She upped her wolf game overall in Scooby Doo, but not like this. Initially, I can fool her longer than she can fool me, but not much longer. She reads my meta better than I read hers, she can pick out stylistic differences I miss (and I mean this for everyone, not just me, she notices things like grammar and smiley usage. It's scary).

And you're over analyzing, it's why you have problems reading me, her, other old timey peeps. We're more chaos players and aren't very formulaic. It's easier to imagine worlds where we're bad.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:12 am

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:46 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:35 am Waiting for the "haha no you're definitely a wolf PR" rebuttal like I usually get
If I'm lucky it'll actually stir up something spicy

Haha no you're definitely a wolf PR

Neon why are you voting the counterwagon to someone you called a wolf PR?

Who was she voting for?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:37 am Why is Kate voting Pyxxy over Dennis?

@S~V~S are you absolutely sure Kate is town?

As above, yes.

Now you answer a question for me. When you lied to me the other day, when you were happy posting; (I saw someone else, Dennis I think, make a remark about dropping the schtick, and he stopped doing what he had been doing) and towards the end of that day you stopped doing it, were you compelled to happy post, where you doing it for shits and giggles, or is it a you cannot say thing?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:34 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:23 pm Actually I want to know what @MacDougall has to say, too, since he also had falcon as scum and I'm pretty sure he tried to convince me of it

I am voting you and I am not unvoting you.

Why did this unhappen? From subsequent posts, you seem to still think Windward is bad, or at least thats the tone your're taking with her.

I also want you to tell me what are your thoughts on how day 2 ended, with Windward seemingly going to the walls to save Neon, resulting in Falcons yeet? You throw out a lot of different scenarios, and it can be hard for me to follow your train of thought. You're more of a big picture guy, I tend to focus on individuals.

I read Windward for Neon mentions, and Day One she quoted this:

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:34 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 4:37 pm I've decided to build a town core.

Lilypetal
Neon
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway



Yeah that's the stuff right there...

Interesting

Since Windward has accused me and someone else I noticed but don't recall who os sheeping them, so I wasn't sure what interesting meant in this context.

I read her Day Two re Neon, and her progression is really interesting.

She starts out with this:

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:00 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:46 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:21 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:18 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:17 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:44 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 3:21 am There is at least one wolf in Neon/Lily.

That's also my thought but idk how confident I am in it, probably less than you

hmmm

Oh thanks for reminding me lily flipped town
I was thinking one of those two names was gonna flip wolf with Seanzie
So I guess I'll look at neon again if Seanzie flips wolf which he probably will, if he doesn't, oh well

Would you look at neon if seanzie flips town though bc spoiler I definitely would

I would look at Neon regardless of Seanzie's flip tbh but especially if Seanzie flips town

Actually maybe I retract the "especially if Seanzie flips town" part
Neon was in my PoE anyway

Goes to this:

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:59 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:37 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:28 pm I know it is early in the day, but I am worried about the current gamestate, and based off it, I think I'm already a reasonable candidate for elim today, and I kind of doubt that is going to change (many people who can be heavy hitters are on the sidelines, and if that remains true, this threadstate will not significantly change by EoD).

Currently though the people pushing me are doing so with nothing. Nutella has "vibes" and "Mac and TSP" stuff. Kate is sheeping this, and WWA because I am different than a game which I played in a very different way than I usually play.

Can y'all help me encourage these people to actually come at me? If I'm a wolf, they have prime opporunities to spew themselves town on me, and if I'm town and we currently sleepwalk into a Seanzie elim with these sorts of cases, y'all don't learn anything from my flip.

why aren't you pushing neon today?

I cannot recall any feeling I've had towards Neon or anything they've done, so mostly they just aren't on my mind. I know you quoted a post where I said something about Neon, but clearly it wasn't that important to me since I don't remember making it or what I was feeling when I made it.

Well that's disappointing.

And is willing to vote pretty much anyone by EOD to save Neon.

I'm not going to quote Windwards whole ISO; but if you have time, open her ISO, search it for Neon, and read Day Two

I'm leaving my vote where it is.

Bai! Work calls!

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 12:53 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:37 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:00 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:57 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:51 pm I would like to remind everyone that not only did the wagon form on Neon when she was out of the thread, but the wagon on svs completely vanished when she was also out of the thread.

Coincidence?

Don't break my heart by unloving svs again. Ok. Pweeeze. I'm trying really hard to maintain my hopeless devotion to you.

She's not first in my list of priority yeets, but her voting me right after Mac did has not gone under my radar. I still think Mac is town, I'm increasingly confident on that read, and it makes svs look much worse.

You and I had a conversation yesterday about how I should just go ahead and vote for you, and how I didn’t think that was workable so close to EOD.

So you can stop pretending that it somehow makes a difference that I voted second. I voted when I got to the thread.

It does make a difference because you posted after Mac and made it clear that you posted after Mac. It doesn't mean it's always from a wolf but you can't be cleared off it and I think Mac can.

Well, you certainly can make a nothing into a something, that seems to be your forte. It's an excellent Mafia skill to have. As is what you've been doing today, sowing the BS far and wide. I hope to be on your bad team someday, so i can learn from you.

I have a last minute WOOT! we had a record month and our boss wants to take us out to a sooper fancy dinner (as opposed to, oh, maybe giving us raises or bonuses...), so I'm AFK for a bit.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:00 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:57 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:51 pm I would like to remind everyone that not only did the wagon form on Neon when she was out of the thread, but the wagon on svs completely vanished when she was also out of the thread.

Coincidence?

Don't break my heart by unloving svs again. Ok. Pweeeze. I'm trying really hard to maintain my hopeless devotion to you.

She's not first in my list of priority yeets, but her voting me right after Mac did has not gone under my radar. I still think Mac is town, I'm increasingly confident on that read, and it makes svs look much worse.

You and I had a conversation yesterday about how I should just go ahead and vote for you, and how I didn’t think that was workable so close to EOD.

So you can stop pretending that it somehow makes a difference that I voted second. I voted when I got to the thread.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:34 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:23 pm Actually I want to know what @MacDougall has to say, too, since he also had falcon as scum and I'm pretty sure he tried to convince me of it

I am voting you and I am not unvoting you.

This. Everyone should reread the end of the last day.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:55 pm Maybe I should ask, do you think the people moving their votes away from Neon or responding to my call to wagon falcon instead are scum?

Let's see how Falcon flips.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:40 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:39 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:37 pm As to why I'm voting falcon:

I'm opposed to voting neon
I'm mostly opposed to voting Kate at least today
Pyxxy is just not a wagon so whatever
I townread Seanzie and he's on falcon
Idk how to read Wilgy but I think(?) he might be onto something and I'm willing to entertain the idea that he's town

I wish wilgy would talk bc whatever he's doing isn't helping town, which means he's either useless in this state or bad.

I have a theory as to why he's only answering with yes/no but I also have an alternate theory which I like a lot less, lol

He's only posting "Yes", not "No".

Have you played with the Doctor before? Like not super recently, but in the past?

@WindwardAway TBH if Kate wasn't taking votes (mostly I think for defending me? ) I probably would vote for you, if I had been more involved today. But the poll ends in 45 minutes.

Very Noble of you, but I'm sure I could be convinced to vote for you when you got back!

Have a good trip, and enjoy I hope you enjoy yourself!

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 5:33 pm I haven't been this lost in a game in quite sometime. And I played while I was delirious with the covick.

Yeah, that covick sure is a bitch.

I read and reread some more, and I am seeing the Nutella I saw in GOC. So I'm back to square one as well.

I have no idea what to think of Mac; I thought he had some kind of curse that led him to post like he was and to lie about you agreeing with him that I was bad, so I ignored it at that point until I realized he was posting normally.
This is a progression on Neon,

Today, 3:59 AM

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:59 am nah nah neon is wolfy as lol

Today, 4:55 PM

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:55 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:22 pm Here comes the neon save. I think we found the hit.

I am town and I think Neon is town.

In between these two he called one of her posts "trash", but then he replied to this:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:24 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:59 am nah nah neon is wolfy as lol

I thought her earlier posts were wolfy and her posts today were better than yesterday's

yeah but like I'm waiting for neon to explode in a ball of townfire and need it before I'm gonna give them a full clear

So not sure what's going on with him, but after that lying and letting me think he was cursed:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:27 am You're right about it being a blessing. I've never been more thrilled.

As for my other two voters, Windward felt opportunistic. They came up with a sudden suspicion never before mentioned, although they discussed other suspicions previously, not sure why they would sit on this one?

Neon also felt opportunistic, BUT BUT, she always suspects me, it would not be a complete game if she didn't vote for me at some point. But I'll vote for her if I have to to save Kate. Transparency for the win.

As for everyone else, I am not sure I townread Dennis, he's still POE for me. Wilgy I honestly have no clue; I really wish he had chosen licking this game as opposed to one monosyllabic word. I felt pretty good about Falcon before, and still do. I felt good about Porscha earlier on, but she seems to have fallen off? I don't have alot of experience with her. Is this a tell for her? Pyxxy I have no feel for I haven't really interacted with them, but I did agree with the points he made about TSP. When TSP was here, he was really here, and I felt pretty good about him. But while Pyxxy and I don't seem to have much in the way of similar opinions, I don't feel he has an agenda. Sean doesn't look anything like he looked in GOC when we were bad together.

@RondoDimBuckle I am sorry for the part I had in yeeting your jolly goodtime presence.

So I will [VOTE: Neon] aubergine at this time. I feel more that Windward is bad, but it could also be residual "all at once" hangover, plus I don't believe Kate is bad. Like at all.

And again, I apologize to all for my part in downer thread, it won't happen again.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:37 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:13 am

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:06 pm @S~V~S @pyxxy @Dennis the town needs to consolidate today.

Dennis wtf are you?

At the time you made this post, I was in bed. I get up at 5 AM.

At this point this thread is toxic for me, and my opinions are all OMGUSed up. I can't differentiate my own opinions from my feelings on how suspicion was brought to bear on me last night, so I'm doing town a favor by not being here, tbh. I might make another vote that sucks, and we can't have that.

I couldn't care less about the votes on me, but I really dislike the votes on you. @pyxxy , @DrWilgy , you should really reconsider.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:41 am Pyxxy and svs votes on nutella both suck
Like, first off, nutella is town
Second, the timing of both votes was terrible
But idk if they're partnered because pushing on nutella when the thread has moved away from flipping nutella today seems kinda counterproductive so I'm thinking only one of them is a wolf for it
Would still yeet svs first and then pyxxy if svs flips town
Idk why I'm saying anything at all since yesterday I didn't want to share reads but today I'm just throwing things everywhere

So yesterday, you were sure I was pocketing you. NOW you're talking about what happens if I flip civ.

So which is it? You still think I was pocketing you, or you think I was trying to be friendly with someone who seemed astute, friendly and involved to me?

Have a great day everyone!

Sorry you don't like the pressure on you, this game isn't supposed to be toxic

I don't see what's wrong with saying I'm 95% sure you're scum??? If I were 100% sure I would have to be a wolf who either has TMI and is bussing you, or is agenda pushing. I don't think being extremely confident is required of town but maybe we disagree on play styles.

This really isn't answering the question I asked. Do you still think I was pocketing you? I read over your interactions with me, and I didn't say anything to or about you that I (or anyone else) wouldn't say about someone they were townreading while trying to form a personal towncore. Out of everything that was said last night, that was the thing that bowled me over the most. That saying that I thought you were town was pocketing you. Becasue that was your original reason for suspecting me, right?

And it wasn't so much the pressure, it was the coming from everywhere all at once (heh) part that kinda derailed me somewhat. I got over it

I’m just getting home.

I read back today, unvoted, and I’m mostly caught up. I saw someone said what I said this AM was ATE, and that wasn’t my intention.

I walked away last night when I was getting stressed out, and after reading a few posts this AM, I was still stressed out, lol. And I know myself well enough to know that it wasn’t good for the thread for me to be in it. So I decided not to be.

And I also saw the discussion about Kate reading me. I’ve been wrong, but I never recall her being wrong, or if she was it was a looooong time ago. Not that that matters, since it’s really all relative.

Gotta do a few things I’ll be back shortly to vote.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:06 pm @S~V~S @pyxxy @Dennis the town needs to consolidate today.

Dennis wtf are you?

At the time you made this post, I was in bed. I get up at 5 AM.

At this point this thread is toxic for me, and my opinions are all OMGUSed up. I can't differentiate my own opinions from my feelings on how suspicion was brought to bear on me last night, so I'm doing town a favor by not being here, tbh. I might make another vote that sucks, and we can't have that.

I couldn't care less about the votes on me, but I really dislike the votes on you. @pyxxy , @DrWilgy , you should really reconsider.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:41 am Pyxxy and svs votes on nutella both suck
Like, first off, nutella is town
Second, the timing of both votes was terrible
But idk if they're partnered because pushing on nutella when the thread has moved away from flipping nutella today seems kinda counterproductive so I'm thinking only one of them is a wolf for it
Would still yeet svs first and then pyxxy if svs flips town
Idk why I'm saying anything at all since yesterday I didn't want to share reads but today I'm just throwing things everywhere

So yesterday, you were sure I was pocketing you. NOW you're talking about what happens if I flip civ.

So which is it? You still think I was pocketing you, or you think I was trying to be friendly with someone who seemed astute, friendly and involved to me?

Have a great day everyone!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:39 pm I dunno I guess after having read back the recent little dealio I'd have to assume that it's at least somewhat plausible that svs and Kate both had a bit of a histrionic reaction to Nutella, myself and windward all transfixing on them somewhat simultaneously. I'm gonna set aside that their reaction feels panicked as alignment indicative and focus on other things.

Histrionic? Lol.

You guys pounced like a cute l’il kitty jumping on a mouse. “Histrionic” my ass lol.

I’m looking forward to hearing Dennis’ reply to me.

I’m also looking forward to hearing other opinions on this … whatever it was.

Love ya

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:20 pm Would they really just both mald and rage vote Nutella at the same time?

Nutella is now IC ... I'm sure one of them is mafia. But both? Really?

You think Kate is outed... I think SVS is the scummier one lol.

I look forward to your apology post game after you yeet me

Now seriously Succession

Xoxo

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:20 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:19 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:15 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:12 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:01 pm SVS cannot tell me with a straight face she townreads that. Shes simply evaded even talking about Kate so far anyway

Dead straight face, she’s town. It’s just kinda icky that as soon as she stopped sheeping you, we’re the problem. I have to go watch succession right now, but yeah, I’ll go down kicking and screaming tomorrow cause I’m town.

Happy happy joy joy

There's no way both of you are town. 0%.

100%

I don't follow how you could have a lock town read on Kate here?

Because bad Kate doesn’t put herself out like this. I’ll make any bet you want that I’m right.

@Dennis i would like your opinion here, thanks

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:15 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:12 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:01 pm SVS cannot tell me with a straight face she townreads that. Shes simply evaded even talking about Kate so far anyway

Dead straight face, she’s town. It’s just kinda icky that as soon as she stopped sheeping you, we’re the problem. I have to go watch succession right now, but yeah, I’ll go down kicking and screaming tomorrow cause I’m town.

Happy happy joy joy

There's no way both of you are town. 0%.

100%

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:01 pm SVS cannot tell me with a straight face she townreads that. Shes simply evaded even talking about Kate so far anyway

Dead straight face, she’s town. It’s just kinda icky that as soon as she stopped sheeping you, we’re the problem. I have to go watch succession right now, but yeah, I’ll go down kicking and screaming tomorrow cause I’m town.

Happy happy joy joy

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:39 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:37 pm I'd rather go Kate than SVS rn.

when I lied about Kate sheeping my svs read and they both got all ree about it that was fun u should read back on that

Yeah they could easily be partners. Especially since SVS is going after Dennis and not Kate for the cop snafu when that makes zero sense and the concern that Kate had TMI makes all the sense.

Are you fucking for real? Dennis is the one who made that post!

Everyone, this is silly lolol

Wow this is incredibly obvious.

Touche. I thought you made alot of sense, and were engaging with the thread in an honest way. That's why I town read you. I wish you had said something before today that you found it otherwise. If you thought I was trying to unscrupulously influence you days ago, why didn't you vote for me Day One?

And bbl, gotta go eat dinner. Happy Happy Joy Joy.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:34 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:23 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:15 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:11 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:39 pm Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Crap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Mac should die first.

I don't think Neon is woof either. I agree with some of her town; you and Porscha, and Kate. The rest I dunno.

Fun fact. I suck at this game. But I am actually pretty good at finding towns... well at least when I town core them.

Neon, do you think svs's reply to me there was a pocket attempt on either of us? Cause it read like one to me.

yeah it wasn't, I was being polite. I've been saying I thought you were town since day 0; why didn't you think those were pocket attempts?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:26 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:15 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:11 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:39 pm Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Crap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Mac should die first.

I don't think Neon is woof either. I agree with some of her town; you and Porscha, and Kate. The rest I dunno.

Have you caught up on everything yet? Do you have an opinion on Seanzie?

I wolfed with him in GOC. I am not seeing that Sean here, and in my first game with him, he (incorrectly) suspected me, and we looked eye to eye. He was wrong and he knew it and was flexible. I *think* I see that flexible person here, but i am not the Seanzie expert.

It could be that my read of him was tainted by "I had a dream about Sean and he was bad" . That kind of thing makes me go Mamma Bear and excuse people being susped for (what I take to be) silly reasons. And that is 100% my weak spot. I want to defend people from injustice.

So I don't see bad Sean. I also don't have a degree In Bad Seanzieness.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:09 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:06 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:06 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:26 pm I say we kill Dennis for outing the cop.

Question
Why would a wolf out the cop in the thread if they can just keep it in scumchat and kill the cop quietly

Like if Dennis is a wolf confirming Kate as a town cop, and Kate dies, it just gives a confirmed green on nutella which is like... Super counterproductive if Kate and nutella are town and Dennis is a wolf. It doesn't help wolves at all.

Thats not true.

Kate dying and flipping cop has the same net result either way outed or not outed. The point is that a town picking up a soft shouldn't out it in case the wolves didn't notice it.

Less a case of why its wolfy and more a case of its not towny.

It's less a case

That yes, i agree, but my point is then if Dennis speculates on town PRs as a wolf, that also helps town and not just wolves when he could be quiet. So I think it's like a negligent town mistake where he got overexcited that he found 2 villagers that he doesn't have to solve anymore.

Yeah, but he was pretty pro Nutella both before and after the "ZOMG Kate got a green check on Nutella" post. I'm not sure enough to vote on him, but I want to see his response to my post @ him.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:19 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:19 pm Also @TonyStarkPrime I didn't say I suspected her for "gamestate". I suspect her for the stuff she has said.

No the issue is I kinda think you’re a wolf


I agree that that’s why she’s suspicious

Well I think that you're mistaken about that me = woof, but we'll see how that works out for you

Also @TonyStarkPrime I didn't say I suspected her for "gamestate". I suspect her for the stuff she has said.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:14 pm Don’t love the svs vote on nutella for the gamestate

OK. I love it <3 I love Nutella, too. We've been playing together on and off since she was just a pup, and I had no grey in my hair.

But you think I'm not supposed to vote for the person I most think is bad? Cool.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:11 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:39 pm Dennis
Kate
Neon
nutella
Porscha
Seanzie
WindwardAway

That's like... probably my town right now

I was hoping Wilgys gimmick would have died by now.

Crap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Mac should die first.

I don't think Neon is woof either. I agree with some of her town; you and Porscha, and Kate. The rest I dunno.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:06 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:03 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:59 pm I think Dennis genuinely thought he was seeing something with Kate because I saw it that way independently too, but if svs thinks we are teammates I can't really say anything that will make her think otherwise, we just read kates thing the same way. I now think it's possible Kate is wolf who has tmi on me though.

So Kate was trusting you and sheeping you, and now as soon as she says, 'No Dennis was mistaken, I had no info', suddenly she's bad?

Yikes.

Well, yeah? I thought she had info on me and claiming she didn't makes her blind trust of me look strange does it not?

She thought you were IMPLYING info, so no, it doesn't, does it?

A day one misread doesn't make someone bad. And the post we're arguing about was directed at Dennis, not you. So I'd like to hear his opinion.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:59 pm I think Dennis genuinely thought he was seeing something with Kate because I saw it that way independently too, but if svs thinks we are teammates I can't really say anything that will make her think otherwise, we just read kates thing the same way. I now think it's possible Kate is wolf who has tmi on me though.

So Kate was trusting you and sheeping you, and now as soon as she says, 'No Dennis was mistaken, I had no info', suddenly she's bad?

Yikes.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:57 pm [VOTE: Kate] aubergine

Bad reads Kate = a wolf.

can you explain why please?

No. Apparently no one can explain anything this game.

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:28 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:23 am Something deeply disturbing and deeply hilarious is going on here. Also confusing.

One thing town me doesn’t care for is people claiming to be town leaders and telling us who we’re gonna yeet. Ugh.

So my first vote goes to [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Might change it might not.

hiiiiiii

Sooo (ok screw it I'm dropping the gimmick for this post sorry)

I'm 95% sure nutella gave Kate some sort of green check on nutella

Kate's post being like "does anyone else think we should trust nutella?" Is the sort of question she asks when she's trying to imply something. A stupid question with no explanation. Idk how to explain it better than, trust me, she is my mother

AND nutella being like "it is CLEARLY something else" is them trying to get the point across that it was a green check

Either they are t/t, Kate is w and doesn't want to be outed to nutella, or they are w/w in my eyes and I think Kate is town

:pppp blehh

Dennis, this makes me look at you askance

If Kate had info, do you think she would drop it like that, so hamfisted? I think she has a bit more nuance than that.

This looks like a bit of a soft defense of Nutella to me.

As did this. "For some reason".

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 12:56 pm So the falcon voting fiasco happened

Kate's falcon vote felt worse to me than nutella's vote, for some reason

But falcon's immediately voting whoever was the most opportunistic also gave me icky vibes cause it felt like it was an easy way to place his vote somewhere. Which also makes me really question why his vote was on me before. Though, it may have also been self pres cause I don't know what the vote counts were

And this ...

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:17 pm hard claiming and info dumping is cringe and shit... but transparently softing info and then you taking the soft and crystallising it firmly for the world which is essentially the same thing is super not cringe?

make it make sense

People are killing nutella

I'm not gonna sit around on my silly bum and let this happen, if we don't kill nutella I believe we have a better chance of hitting a wolf

And yeah while Kate probably dies for this (sorry) it gives town another kill and saves a town

You really seem to want to save Nutella.

I haven't read all the way back to my last post, but I still want to hug Nutella right into the next dimension.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:54 pm @MacDougall what I was more trying to ask is what do you find about SVS that is scummy because in Cosmere she was mostly afk wolfing after D1/D2 (iirc) and I didn't find her in my spec chat escapades with Scotty so I feel like I'm down to sr her being normal because I don't have a better baseline

@Dennis feel free to chime in here too

I prolly have almost as many posts here as I did there already lol

But Cosmere wasn’t the norm for me, I had a death in the family and was totally AFK for 4 days then only really answered my @s and maybe one or two posts a day. Robyn carried me.

So that game is a bad baseline to use for me tbh

*Rondostock

I thought Kate was speaking in past tense “seemed”, besides bad reads in day one with Rondostick going on was I think most of us lol.

“I had a dream Sean was bad” lol

Something deeply disturbing and deeply hilarious is going on here. Also confusing.

One thing town me doesn’t care for is people claiming to be town leaders and telling us who we’re gonna yeet. Ugh.

So my first vote goes to [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Might change it might not.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:03 am I know Kate doesn't agree I just thought it would be cute to lie lmao

Super cute. Sorry this has happened to you, whatever it is. But it sure is totally adorable!

SVS ridiculously said:Personally, I think if someone wanted to kill Mac on day one, they would have just killed Mac, rather than killed someone who voted him but not over aggressively, to then frame that person for killing Mac, lol. It wasn't like either of them was universally being townread or anything.

And what she should have said:

Personally, I think if someone wanted to kill Mac on day one, they would have just killed Mac, rather than killed someone who voted him but not over aggressively, to then frame Mac for killing that person, lol. It wasn't like either of them was universally being townread or anything.

That was just silly of me, and sometimes silly is cute, but sometimes it's not.

Actually that post of lilys I quoted has all three of her direct mentions of Mac. Oopsie, such a cute fluffy mistake.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:12 pm The gimmicks are making it impossible for me to formulate a town core because I can not separate the gimmicks and my feelings about them cause I'm dumb stupid.

I kinda feel the same way.

I'm wondering if a few people are cursed or something with Love and Happiness or something like that. Or maybe not cursed, blessed would be more like it.

I had no real feel for Lily, the only game I played with her was GOC, and I don't know that we ever interacted.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:08 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 7:41 pm Zomg I know they're like super adorable and lovely but SVS is probably one of those scw's (super cute woofs). Woof woof SVS.

explain svs

'

Yeah, do that.

Although the more I read the more I think there are some kind of shenanigans going on. Like the ghost of rondo is haunting Mac and Kate.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 7:37 pm Lol zomg it's so funny how those baddies tickled lily to frame me teehee you silly wolfies are so tricksy and cute.

how would that have framed you, I dont recall her saying anything about you in the first place (could very easily double check this, will not be doing that)

I searched her posts for "mac" and there were only 7. Three quoted posts with his name in them, one was a joke.

Otherwise, in one she voted for him, in another she just wasn't feeling it, and this was the third:

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 5:04 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 4:16 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 4:11 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 3:58 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 3:54 am [VOTE: mac] aubergine

explain yourself

just not feeling it with mac rn lol

are you able to explain why you think mac hero votes nutella just to double down on the vote after nutella actually posts

how is that a hero vote? fmpov mac is blatantly pushing a villager and getting 0 pushback while others pile on. I don't get the nutella vote at all and it just looks like Mac is openwolfing

Personally, I think if someone wanted to kill Mac on day one, they would have just killed Mac, rather than killed someone who voted him but not over aggressively, to then frame that person for killing Mac, lol. It wasn't like either of them was universally being townread or anything.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:25 am tee hee lily said I was mafia and voted me ergo died to frame me and it was nutella who did it

svs is just wolfish @Kate agrees

Seanzie is just spewed woof by Nutella tee hee

Actually, Sugarplum, she doesn't. This is how she opened Day 1:
And this was her final vote.
Even though I was pushing a bit against her.

So not sure why you would have to bald face lie here about something that is easily checkable, not just by me but by anyone.

I wouldn't imagine that making things up is in your townie wheelhouse, so I'm gonna assume you misread something.

If you can come up with a specific as to why I'm bad other than my incomparable adorableness, I'm looking for ward to hearing it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 7:41 pm Zomg I know they're like super adorable and lovely but SVS is probably one of those scw's (super cute woofs). Woof woof SVS.

Lol ok if you say so. Good luck with that. And agreed, I’m adorable

I’m still at my folks for Easter dinner, so may or may not be back tonight.

Ok gotta finish my laundry.

I feel guilty about this cause he was a lot of fun, but gonna [VOTE: Rondo] aubergine. It’s half an hour and I don’t want to vote the other wagons. I doubt Rondo will call me his good vibes Queen ever again

Out of the people with votes, I haven’t seen a non vibe nutella case, and I feel Ok about Sean. I haven’t seen any On topic from Rondo, so I’ll prolly vote there. I didn’t like his no reason nutella vote either.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 6:07 pm You all are welcome to sleepwalk into a d1 wilgy mischop but I'll be over here voting a wolf

I invited and can’t seem to find why Falcon made that vote?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 5:38 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:53 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 6:06 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 4:03 am I dont know how much I dont love falcon's vote on nutella tbh. kinda dont love it

What do you make of specifically the progression of falcon voting Kate first and then jumping to nutella?

Both of those votes felt pretty opportunistic to be tbh, and I have seen Falcon make omgus votes as town. And at least Kate gave a reason, as opposed to:

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 8:10 pm Sure lets [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

I don't know how many had voted nutella had at that time; self pres could have come into it.


At this time I'm going to [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

I <3 Whimsy Wilgy, but I need Prof Wilgy to help me sort this all out, and hope this vote will bring him out.

Yes

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

When you licked people you said how they tasted to you I could work with that.

You’re the most valuable end gamer imo, and I want you to make it there. It’s your game and if you want to limit yourself or challenge yourself in this way, cool, you do you.

I am disappoint you no Ued me.

I’m going to see what else to do with my vote .

I take that back; you did imply it was pressure. And I quoted it

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 2:48 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:12 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:40 pm Tbh you guys can mischop me d1 for all I care my legacy is sean wolf semi unironically

Do you disagree your vote on me looks opportunistic?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:59 pm It was opportunistic lol the problem here is that opportunism is not actually scummy as often as people like to paint it as such

This is why I always wolf read Nutella. She says stuff like this lol

I ran into a run of Falcons posts during the time when he was taking votes, and his reactions seemed reasonable. I read back, and I liked the way he poked Dennis a bit, even though I thought Dennis word choice issue wasn't AI. If I had to put him in a list, I wouldn't town core Falcon over his ISO, but he'd be in the upper-middle of the middle group. But definitely not in the red.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:08 pm I'm never rescinding my nutella wolfread.

Is this tone, "lack of fire" mainly? You voted her in your first post, when she had made only 2 posts, both total OT. Would you (who have played with her much more recently overall than I have, I'm sure her game has changed and my experience of her is outdated for the most part) have expected her to have been MORE involved in the Zero lolcattery than she was?

Also, after reading both of you, I get what you mean about the WIM thing, esp when I contrast her more enthusiastic GOC. I also would think after you told her that fairly early in Day One that she would have tried to WIM it up a bit?

So I could see it but I have seen "meh whatever" kinda Nutella as a civ too.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:36 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 8:20 pm I'm just caught up again, glad this is a slowing game. I'm tempted to vote falcon too, usually he'd be in here making a case as civ falcon and the lack of that has me eyeballing. I'm just starting to be able to read him a tiny bit. Him not being here doesn't help my progress.

I'll lay a vote here and try to get him to come out and play.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Of the votes on my wagon, this one is the most opportunistic.



[VOTE: kate] aubergine

Having read back, a bit of the shine is off of Kate for me. Still in the top half, but I agree with Falcon that this looked opportunistic. BUT this is also a vote I am not sure that bad Kate would make, because she'd worry about looking opportunistic (bad Kate worries ALOT), whereas town Kate does not; she's a lot more fearless than bad Kate. So I still think she's town, but there is a tiny bit of doubt.

I am not seeing Professor Wilgy as of yet, or other things I associate with town Wilgy, so I won't be sheeping his vote based on trust.

I wanted to go to bed and I saw nutellas (?) Post trying get him to play so I said I'm temporarily voting here. I'm still planning to move it. You know I'm civ here.

I thought I did, and I said I still think you are; just not as obviously as previously. I disliked that vote, esp since you didn't imply it was pressure at the time. You gave a reason for it, but a weak one imo.

Re Wilgy, no, he doesn't unless you count saying "Yes" as a shtick. Maybe I've gotten so used to him NOT having one the past few games, other than what I think of as Professor Wilgy"; but I could mostly read through it, like in Anni, I knew he was town even with all the licking. In this case it IS a pressure vote as I said when i made it. I'm not trying to get anyone else to follow me, and I'll likely change to a wagon to consolidate before EOD.

I say likely becasue as of now, I don't like any of the three main wagons we have running. Don't think Falcon looks more bad to me than Wilgy, Even though nutella isn't saying anything I agree with, she seldom does, and that's cool. All I'm seeing is vibes and I don't want to vote on vibes with nutella. And I don't think Rondos love posting is all that AI. I'd like to give him another day to post something on topic.

Of the three, I'm least likely to vote for Falcon though.