The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:56 pm I was secretly hoping y’all would pick Llama to come back, since he’s more on brand for the theme of this game and I thought his space apart from the game would have given him some fresh reads. But I get why y’all brought me back. Thanks.

So, before I launch into what I have observed from the great yonder (It’s cold and dark out there), I’d prefer to hear from players as to who their top suspects are as we start the day. I don’t want to color anyone’s reads.

RIP Kate

With Bea removed as as part of the G Man lynch cluster, I’m back where I was re Sloonei and not understanding how that lynch went down if Sloonei is a civ.

I feel ok about Wilgy, and Vivax. Sig and Faraday are slightly green question marks. Golden and Michelle are double question marks. I am feeling less than great about Sloonei and Quin.

I look forward to hearing your opinions.

bea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:02 pm Have fun everyone! Nice to see ya'll

Do you have the same e-mail? If not, message me the new one, and I''ll get my Italian granny NY cheesecake recipe out to you ASAP-est this weekend. I feel like a fukin idiot lol. AYell at me post game xox

I voted for Scotty last night, but forgot the official tag, [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine.

I would also be OK with llama, I voted Scotty mainly because he's the only one I had thread time with.

Re Splints, I love her and wish we could have been in the thread together (it's been FOREVER!) but I was not crazy about how eager G Man was to rez her. Maybe he was just making townie noises but it made me nervous all the same.

I'll do the reads list after work, closer to EON. Happy Friday~!

Ugh. Bea I’m sorry, I’ll dig up the recipe this weekend.

I would most like to see Scotty back.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:35 pm Why is quins vote still on elohcin (a follow up question to ‘why was quins vote ever on elohcin?’)

Last night when he was freaking both of us out, he said this right before he voted for her. So I think it's a pressure vote? Maybe? Kinda?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:52 pm Her vote for bea was in a post alongside something about 'not needing a tribal council' which I've taken as 'no need for wagons and/or to discuss'. This is largely the issue I have had with today.

linki: I was gonna say...

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:14 pm I’m gonna use my admin privileges to just change sig’s name to dog.

Does this happen a lot?

Effing autocorrect, *I addressed SIGS votes*

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:49 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 12:53 pm Current vote total as of ~7 hours left in Day 3:

GMan (4): SVS, Richochet, Scotty, DrWilgy
sig (3): Vivax, Kate, Golden
SVS (2): DFaraday, sig
Kate (1): Quin
Quin (1): GMan
Vivax (1): Sloonei

Not Voting (3): bea, Elo, Michelle

Currently insanified: Michelle, sig

Can somebody who is not me reflect on the fact that Sloonei was not a wagon at this point, and only became one in the latter half of the day as a direct counter to the G-man wagon?

Sure. I suspected G Man, I also suspected you more than sig or definitely my civ self. Myself, Scotty and Vivax all started posting some suspicion of you. One of them (I think Scotty but I am not sure) voted for you. I moved to you deciding that if a G Man lynch failed, I would prefer a Sloonei lynch. So I moved my vote. You may not agree with this reasoning, but you’re acting like a man in shock, repeating the same question in various forms over and over.

I can’t answer for anyone who voted for you after me, but apparently several people think you’re shady AF.

This is interesting. What are your overal thoughts on sig.

I specifically addressed dogs votes in another post, maybe the long one where I freeformed to Sloonei.

I didnt particularly think sig was bad, but I didnt feel good enough about him to have to defend him if a wagon formed on him in opposition to G Man who I also thought bad. Like I feel pretty ok about Faraday, and I pushed against your vote on him last night.

That’s why when someone else voted Sloonei, I decided what I decided.

I didn’t suspect sig, I did susp Sloonei.

We had a Deniro Mafia where all the civvies were various Deniro characters, and iirc at least one of the baddies was Pacino. The donuts in your pic make what could be a menacing pic look fun.

And yeah, on phone Sloonei and Goldens avis DO blend together. That could be part of the reason those two were blending together for me when I first got here.

ebwop, "Why vote Sloonei if they're all bad together?" That would make no sense either.

But yeah, @Golden I hadn't looked at it that way, if bea was trying to save G Man, why vote Sloonei? Yikes. My brain is frying.

I saw bea as bad for other reasons before the G Man lynch. She was my first vote that day.

And I am not *sure* I am just having problems reconciling what happened in there with what I know about bad teams (and I am baddie centric as you know; I'm a much better baddie thinker than a civvie one). Before that, my thoughts on Sloonei were more based on tone and overall gestalt, he was wishy, he was washy. He just didn't feel town to me. I was vibing with Scotty quite a bit, and when he voted Sloonei, I decided to go for it.

But I could have let that go post lynch if G Man had even made an effort. That really blew my mind, and like I said yesterday, i can't wait for post game to hear what G Man says about all of that. Gotta go take a shower Bye!!

I understand your confidence, and where it's coming from. But but but ....

But if they had managed to lynch Sloonei that day rather than setting him up for a future lynch (presupposing him a civ) , we would be lynching G Man now.

Strong civ Sloonei would be out of their faces, they would have gotten to OT someone for another day, I can't see the positive for the baddies of G Man sacrificing himself that way. I mean,, "We can lynch Sloonei now, and all be alive another day" OR "We can sacrifice one of our number for the possibility of casting suspish on and then lynching Sloonei at a later date". The second scenario is hard for me to swallow, or even grasp. TBH.

linki lol have a good day, I'm gone.

ebwop,

"The attorney comment was on one HAND a joke aimed at you, but I also was trying to figure out why he swooped in when he did and got involved in that discussion in the first place. It was facetious OF ME, more so than trying to put you together, if you get my meaning.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:10 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:04 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:53 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:49 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:47 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:46 am I'll say that anyone seriously considering me as mafia should have at least placed the question into the room: Where did my suspicion of bea go when I decided to vote DF instead ?

Did it go anywhere?

Can't deny that sometimes my thoughts grow legs and run off in mafia games.

Is this bea suspicion still with us in the room right now? Yessir

Did you expect anyone would doubt it?

What’s interesting to me is that I got several questions directed at me about why I suspected DF *most* or *more* than others but it sounds like, from what you’re saying, you didn’t get those same questions.

I really didn't. You are more familiar with each other so it's understandable. And I often like to put on an awful cover, or maybe I'm too lazy to create a proper avi instead of the next best meme I can find.
I played mafia for years at teamliquid and it's a starcraft forum where no one has custom avi's. While playing offsite it really baffled me how susceptible we are to take the avatar into consideration when we read players in mafia games. But that's just human nature I guess.

I suppose it’s true in that questions came from people who indicated an expectation I’d have a strong meta read on DF.

Which, tbh, I don’t.

@Vivax I love your avatar, when my Dad was younger he looked like Scarface era Pacino, so I always like me a good Pacino picture!

When we were in early days here, before the RYM influx, some of us were visiting various sites and playing there, looking for recruits. I played at this one site where I questioned them for lynching a low poster Day One, instead of trying harder to find suspects, and they lynched me instead

Apparently voting low posters Day One was their norm unless there was a red flag. I was the flag. I loathe default low poster voting, and I tend to find people pushing for low posters suspicious. But it would seem that that is not universally the case.

I don't know Vivax, and I can't get a grip on his game. He often seems to be on the same page as me, then he says/does something I don't understand. In which case I back away and watch more. Which is the lesson I took from that other site (I think it was Medieval or King Arthur themed, something like that). Everyone does things differently, give strangers some room, and try to understand them (things which those Arthurians did not do for me ) I expect the same courtesy be extended to me to some extent, but I'm a hybrid. I was the second member, and I was Admin here for several years. Now I'm a flitter in and out, who plays a game or two a year, and I would say the majority of the active players never "met" me. I also have troubles discerning humor coming from people I don't know. Not always sure if kidding or not, like Vivax' murder/crocodile tears post. I spent way more time than was healthy trying to decide if that was a joke or a chat room slip.

So maybe voting low posters is the norm in Vivaxville

So yes, Golden, I would not expect this vote from you, but I am thinking of the you you were several years ago. You might be a different you today. So when you got huffy and indignant at being challenged, I backed off, becasue that was a Golden I knew. I was a bit more at Quin inserting himself into the discussion. The attorney comment was on one had a joke aimed at you, but I also was trying to figure out why he swooped in when he did and got involved in that discussion in the first place. It was facetious more so than trying to put you together, if you get my meaning.

Golden, one question, re Sloonei. If not for that role slot, would you feel differently? Because I also thought of G Man trying to set Sloonei up for a lynch as a possible reasoning behind his behavior. But it really looked to me like G Man committed suicide, he didn't even try to live at any point after Sloonei started taking votes. At the point where it was tied, even a civvie saving themself would move their vote. He never even did that.

It really looked like suicide, and I know G Man doesn't love being bad, but I can't ever see him suiciding like that for no reason. And I really am having a problem finding a reason for that in a world where Sloonei is a civ. From a baddie viewpoint, why would they sacrifice 1/4 of their strength to save a strong civ player like Sloonei?

Also while looking for smilies I found this guy! I used to love him!

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:09 pm I'll see what you have to say about her when I get home.

I’ll prolly say, “I think she’s a civ “

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:08 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:59 pm A cheesy low poster counter wagon annoys me, it is beneath this Mafia Supergroup

I crashed out on the couch last night, so I’m going to bed early. Good night Quin, I hope your client is able to formulate suspicions. Xox

Linki =@Golden thanks for that list. I am a fan of Quins Eloh vote even less than your Faraday vote.

Ping me if you like, but I’m not picking who I vote for based on how much you like it.

I didn’t like your vote on Sloonei yesterday and i think he’s town but did the fact you started a counterwagon give us valuable info? Yes, I think it did, if bea is bad it’s literally caught us a baddie.

So I think you should recognise the utility of my vote with the goal of creating a viable counterwagon beyond whether you agree with my suspicion.

I do but Sloonei was my top suspect aside from G Man. I can’t believe that a low poster is your top suspicion. If feels like a LHF thing, and *thats* what I don’t like. But you do you, I’m going to bed.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:03 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:59 pm A cheesy low poster counter wagon annoys me, it is beneath this Mafia Supergroup

I crashed out on the couch last night, so I’m going to bed early. Good night Quin, I hope your client is able to formulate suspicions. Xox

Linki =@Golden thanks for that list. I am a fan of Quins Eloh vote even less than your Faraday vote.

What's wrong with it?

I think she’s probably a civvie?

A cheesy low poster counter wagon annoys me, it is beneath this Mafia Supergroup

I crashed out on the couch last night, so I’m going to bed early. Good night Quin, I hope your client is able to formulate suspicions. Xox

Linki =@Golden thanks for that list. I am a fan of Quins Eloh vote even less than your Faraday vote.

And actually when I moved my vote I voted for myself

But sure I moved my vote. I think Sloonei is shadier than Faraday.

Linki, why Eloh? I think she’s bad even less than Faraday. Switching back.

Do you actually suspect him?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:37 pm SVS, if you weren't voting bea today, where would you go?

Sloonei still, I have issues with G Man committing suicide to save him. I think he was wishy before he was pushed. His voting in the Lorab lynch was shady imo.

Golden is a high level player; I would expect suspicions other than low posters I guess by Day 3.

This is a strong thread with a lot of content. A push at low posters confuses me.

I was talking to Golden. Are you his attorney?

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:20 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:15 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:10 pm I vote for [VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine.

Do you think faraday is bad? I don’t. Who do you think is bad other than Bea? I’d rather counterwagon on someone trending bad.

I think he *could* be bad and I’m interested to see what develops from it.

But besides that, he was the only person other than bea who had any votes at all.

And I heard he had a flurry of activity but I haven’t read it yet.

All of us *could* be bad. But do you have reason to think this person is bad? I have reason to think he is not. He is not one of the people I would aggressively defend, but surely you suspect someone more than Faraday?

Linki @Golden sure I have people I suspect, but you’ve been here longer. You don’t have any suggestions of your own? Your top suspicion is a low poster?

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:10 pm I vote for [VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine.

Do you think faraday is bad? I don’t. Who do you think is bad other than Bea? I’d rather counterwagon on someone trending bad.

It's funny, this AM I posted to Sloonei about our old games at the old forums, and how lynch switches worked. And that one vote on Faraday is making me twitch, although that is not a factor in this game. Weird how old habits die hard.

Also @Sloonei thanks for acknowledging the effort that went into that post, and for helping a girl out re DH thinking there were two bad teams. Also glad Ika and his lady chose not to return, and know the vigilance is well warranted

Having read the posts of my past life, I didn't always agree with his conclusions (but it was early days and he had less thread than I) but trying to read him as if I was *not knowing* his role, I could see where he was coming from in many places, and some things we agreed on.

If anyone has issues they would like to discuss with me regarding DH's actions, I feel like I can understand them and discuss them from a civvie perspective after my read through. Hit me up, and I'll do the best I can.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 12:38 pm Ika/Silverwolf 2022

OMG did they come back?

Also, I am reading back and DH Keeps saying there are two baddie teams. If anyone knows, Was this before Vivax 1.0s role was revealed? Was that role in tildes before? Or was there another reason? Did everyone think that?

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:04 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:00 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:52 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:41 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:31 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:11 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:02 am

Have reads on display a tad more openly.
It‘s D3, we should be panicking or something. Plenty of time for slow starters to amp it up.

But every EoD outcome has felt largely random and the players who voted aggressively are being taken out.

I‘m open to the possibility that you are town but I don‘t see lots of efforts going on to sell the wagon you are voting.

p-edit: I‘m the bea voter, kate

I'm really honestly making a good faith effort to play the new style more than what I'm used to. You'll see uptrend there was a discussion about OGs (Which i prefer to old school or relic lol) keeping your reads close to your chest. Also, I made the first multi quote posts I've ever made. I'm doing my best to follow the new regime.

This is the first time I've been exposed to a rainbow list. That is something that never would have been done in the past. It would have been seen as target painting.

@Quin

I asked you to tell me why I shouldn't scum read you for your type of engagement in the thread so far. You don't need to multi quote or make rainbow lists to do that.

My type of engagement has always been to hold things closer to my chest than to make a wall of text. It's just always been the way I've played. I'd usually talk about my biggest suspicion, and pretty much never talk about more than 1 at a time. If you died in our games, you lose. I was trying to baddie hunt while also trying to NOT get nk'd. Does that clarify it a little?

I think it's more than a little obvious that I'm "town," as y'all would say, at this point in the game. Are you looking to get something from me or are you actually suspecting me?

It does clarify it. Thank you.

I was 'looking' for an explanation for your engagement, which you've probably done as best as you can here. I'm not in a mind to dump a vote on you and run off, at any rate.

Did you have anything to say about the Sloonei wagon yesterday?

Ok. In attempt to really play new school I'll do it. I think sloonei is dead red. Or at least a more important bad role than OT Green. I don't see any other explaination for gmans behavior and vote.

Oh Wow! Just saw this. Interesting concept, and a bold move from Kate!

I look forward to a lively thread when I get home from work.

@Sloonei , While walking the dog, I have been thinking about this whole wagon thing, and for me wagons are novelties, I want to use them for benefit. Is that not a norm?

On our home forums, all games were role madness. Pretty much every game had civvies with one (or depending on the baddie team powers, *two*) lynch stops, where no one is lynched. The baddies would have a lynch *switch* (sometimes both teams had one, sometimes only one had one and the other had a rez or something of that nature). The catch was, whoever you switched to had to have a vote. So we tended to vote late and vote very carefully, talk about it extensively and try to get everyone on board before starting voting, at least until the switch appeared. No pressure votes, no statement votes. Deviating off the main lynch train was considered suspicious, especially if it happened after the train formed. Oh and we did not have movable votes. That started to come later, but most of the time, one vote one time.

So to me (I can't speak for everyone from that background) all of the possibilities with no baddie lynch switches and movable votes are amazeballs. Multiple wagons, pressure votes. You can do so much. SO FUN. I want to play with this mechanic, because playing is what immature people do.

At the time I switched from G Man to Sloonei, iirc there were several people with one vote, and at least one, sig, with two. I am pretty sure that at least one of my votes had moved off of me by then, so I wasn't much worried about a wagon forming on me, although it was not impossible. I did not suspect sig, but I also did not trust him enough to have to actively defend him if a counterwagon formed on him. And it has been my experience in this game style, with no more switches on the table and movable votes a secondary wagon almost always forms. When someone (I believe it was Scotty) voted you, I decided to see if a wagon could form on you, because I also suspected *you*. A wagon on two people I suspected saved me from having to potentially defend myself, and defend others who I had no strong feelings about. It would also result in the lynch of someone I suspected. Win/win for SVS.

Is trying to limit the wagons to two people that several people mistrust a baddie move? Don't the civvies already do this (not a rhetorical question, I haven't played in some time)? It seems like it would be a legit tactic. Isn't that the purpose of multiple wagons?

You just seem so flummoxed by this. I am legit confused by your insistence that this is a bad move on my part. Unless it is because you are basing it on the presupposition that you are a civ, which only you would know.

You can't blame people for acting/not acting on knowledge they don't have. An uninformed majority is kinda the point of this game. If you are lynched and flip civ, then everyone else can rip me to shreds. Until that happens, I'm sorry I think you're suspicious, and act on it, I guess?

I just want to straighten this out, because you bring it up like all the time, I explained it every time (and hopefully this is the last time?). Without the concrete knowledge of your alignment, which I do not have, what I did was not in and of itself bad. I think it was a legit civvie tactic coming from a person with more than one suspicion.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

I have been spending way too much work time mafia-ing, so today I probably won't be around until 6ish US Eastern. Have fun xox

*derail

A civil/civ thread detail is always a gift to the baddies.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:05 am Actually SVS's ISO from the time G-man was alive is relatively short, so:

Here she provides some sharp criticism of his play. Cool, noted. I do appreciate the read and would ordinarily give her very good marks for it. But a mid-game sub always has the potential to have formed reads before entering. At the very least, this is not a bad look for SVS.

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:28 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:35 pm Vamoosing for a bit to get some work done (because, like it or not, playing mafia doesn't pay the bills). Here's where my ISO's stand so far:

Towncore:
-Bea
-Eloh
-G-Man
-Kate

POE:
-DF
-DrWilgy


More to come tonight.

From your discussion of her in the last post, I would have guessed your position on Bea was "leans Town", NOT "Towncore". I did not do her second half in detail yet, will I see it there?

Dog is looking angry, lol, bbl.

This is not a bad observation. I dig it. And it's fresh, so she gets more credit this time.

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:55 pm I moved my pressure vote to G Man. Still hoping to see Ms Marvel @bea

SVS votes for G-man. Cool. But...

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:47 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:38 pm Eh, I probably should have edited out more of those quotes. I underlined the salient bits, hopefully it's clear.

Actually those points of G Mans are what give me pause about him. Because in some ways I don’t disagree. I also think there is probably a baddie in You/Quin/Sloonei. Right now I’m leaning towards Sloonei. I felt this way having just spectated the thread, and you have ameliorated it to some extent

linki @Sloonei wete talking about who we would vote for if the rezz were triggered.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:56 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:46 pm

bea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:35 pm Dgoing with the tie. I hope rev knows better than i do.

Wow Bea, spicy!

I do not think these two are partnered based on this post.

I’m surprised you couldn’t tell that based on previous posts. Sorting Bea is important to me and I am not seeing civ Bea, but I’m also not 100% sure I’m not seeing distracted i

What do you think you’ve done so civvie that G Man is willing to die for you? I am perplexed by his fatalism.

SVS would eventually vote for me over G-man. She's already explained that this was more tactical than due to a preference for me over G-man. But even with that explanation, I can't simply look past the fact that she voted on the wrong wagon when it was Town Vs. Mafia. I don't hate her vote as much as I did initially.

Really the only point I am stuck on with this slot is that G-man voted for LoRab instead of DH on Day 2. That vote was so jarring and out of place that it was one of the centerpieces of my case against G-man. So why did he do it if not to save DH? If we can answer that question, SVS is a comfortable town read.

Personally, I don’t think voting on a second suspicion to try and prevent a wagon from forming on someone I don’t suspect is AI, even if the secondary suspish is Sloonei.

I plan to reread DH today to help understand myself. All I can think of re the G Man non DH vote was that he was buddying DH. They came from the same original forum iirc.

Or if the DH derail express had left the station by then, what baddie doesn’t like some thread chaos not involving them? Had DH stayed in you would have just lynched him today, found he was a civ and G Man would be sitting all sassy and warm in his chat room with his team, having safely refused to vote for the civvie.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:39 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:30 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:01 pm Sloon are still as absolutely certain on Quin as you have been thus far?

No.

Why not?

Do you have any thoughts on why he'd vote me yesterday, without putting anything about his vote in the thread?

I did.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:53 am [VOTE: Kate] aubergine

I have untangled the spaghetti and Kate looks the worst. Wilgy and G-Man are also on the table for me.

Just so you're aware, claiming votes in the thread is (or was? I don't know if new people are doing it) a common courtesy we give the hosts in case there are issues with the poll and they ever need to manually track the order or number of votes. Not claiming their vote is not something I would expect an old timer to ever do as an in-game strategy thing - they most likely just forgot.

Lol one of the sites where we came from didn’t even have a poll to start, early games were all done by thread voting. On another, LP, votes typically didn’t count if you didn’t post them in the thread. So this was the norm for us fogies as well.

Catching up, fell asleep on the couch last night.

Why start a counterwagon on a low poster? What would that accomplish?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:36 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:35 pm OMG Trogdor! This whole game is a huge nostalgia blast!

That was absolutely for you.

Scotty, sorry to see you go.

[VOTE: bea] aubergine

bea wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:36 pm Right now, kinda paranoid by people who keep giving me a pass wich is also weird. Quinn maybe? Michelle maybe? Both need more reading as to why from my end and I dont have time to give it at the moment. I am trying and failing. This was, AGAIN, suppsed to be a tonight activity that doesnt get to happen.

I am going to detach from this, and follow the town here. I already made my case and gave my opinion and it stands. If I am wrong, next time I see you I'll buy dinner. Meet the new career, worse than the old career; I don't know. Familiarity isn't always good that way.

I love you to absolute bits bea, you know that. But i don't know that I believe you.

Who do you suspect? Who do you think we should lynch, if not you. Be a civ, sweetie.

OK, update to the list I made when I subbed into the thread. I just copy/pasted the player list so all the dead are still there. Reads are for my own reasons, I put l'il blurby explanations, if elaboration is what you seek let me know. I'm a gut player, and these are my feels based on thread reads.

THE AMAZING PLAYERS!
bea Bea, Ms Marvel never appeared, and I fear she never will. I do NOT overestimate you, Bea, you are bad That vote was so her, she's a mama bear who wants to save her team.
DFaraday What is he up to 10 posts? Like Wilgy, he did not know I had replaced DH. Wilgys surprise seemed more genuine than Faradays, so Wilgy got 2 civvie points for that, faraday got 1
DharmaHelper / S~V~S I wish I could see DHs rainbow list
DrWilgy Wilgy legit had no idea I replaced in. I don't think he has a chatroom, so probably not bad
Elohcin Elohs thread is civ afai have seen. If I had a rainbow list as opposed to a ped/sarc list, she'd be in the circle of trust
fingersplints Splints is dead, I wish we could have played together I always think of this as Splints' smiley
G-Man Also dead, a bad G Man. I SO LOOK FORWARD to post game to ask you WTF was going on in the G Head during last nights lynch. Expect to hear from me.
Golden Tentative trust, I came in feeling a bit of off-ness about Golden, but his content over the last day has eased me here. That said, he can fool me.
Kate Also a person that can fool me, but so far so civ. She seems to be mind meeting with Golden which is fairly par for the course for them, they often seem to think alike
thellama73 I am fairly sure he has not made a "Rez Plz" post, I hope he remembers to do it.
Lorab Sorry I did not get to play with her. She was somewhat of a mentor for me in early days, I would have liked to have seen her wisdom develop
Michelle I had hoped to finish my read of her pre post, but my car trouble yesterday led to getting home late today while it got fixed. For the most part, she's blendy, and I didn't love how she keeps trying to lynch low posters in preference to suspects.
NotAnAxehole aka Vivax 2.0 Complexity. I thought NAA was bad. I felt better about Vivax2.0 but but but. I am not sure if he's buddying me, we seem to agree alot then he says something like, "let's murder someone and cry crocodile tears" and I'm like hiding in a corner saying WTF
Quin Underwhelming. Of the three biggish posters I came into the game like I still am like that with Quin.
Scotty Seems like a stand up guy. We don't always agree, but overall I've got the warm fuzzies.
sig sig came out of insanification with some quality content. He is not in the circle, but he could be. I have to reread him pre insanification
Sloonei I see Sloonei is now Sloonei-ing, I wish he had done so earlier. We never get each others game style, but most of this game he has looked more like me and less like him which is hella concerning. The civ reasons for what happened last night make more sense to me than the baddie ones.
Vivax See NAA

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:29 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:51 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:16 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:14 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:16 pm I think this is where we are supposed to fabricate towncases on our scumreads in the hope that they catch a bullet

Why would mafia kill themselves

I think viv means let’s talk about people in our POE we think are good so that maybe mafia kills them tonite, to shore up the pool

Ag that’s an interesting strategy

Can someone explain this strategy to me a little more in depth and more clearly?

Yeah, ^^ this. Not seeing how this is a good thing as I understand it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:49 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:06 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:59 am Why was I a better option than G-man?

I am feeling DH the more I play this game.

Just this morning I said that I did not feel any of the other possible wagons forming, and when someone else voted for you, I moved my vote so if there were two wagons, they would both be people I suspected.

That’s why you. I suspected you. I felt if I helped form a second wagon on someone I suspected, then someone I suspected was bound to be lynched.

Why was it important to have two options when you were okay with the first option?

I have to explain this? I wanted to lynch a baddie. If I think two people are bad and they both have strong wagons, a civ can’t accidentally be lynched. I wanted to head off a civ wagon.

Also I hope I did not offend you, it wasn’t my intention. I was just stating my belief. I’ll pull back off of that.

Linki @ sig

I was a bit frustrated, but I also really did need to leave. I had a job interview. I think it went well.

But the accusation that I have been suspecting everyone is not only false. But it is contrary to some of the other accusations ai have faced in this game. I have been under scrutiny for vocalizing a strong town read on Quin. Vivax expressed suspicion of me for having a town read on Bea. On Day 1, people were critical of me for not having a strong suspect (my top suspect that day ended up flipping indie, fwiw).

And beyond that, I just did a ton of work last night to read G-man and produced a handful of town reads from the exercise. I did not feel it was fair to accuse me of casting blanket suspicion against everyone.

That is not exactly what I meant, blanket suspicions. I meant more like several small meh votes and suspicions, not really baddie hunting. Poor wording on my part. Not committing to a suspicion. This is the first time I recall you taking a strong stand about someone.

Unfortunately it’s me :ha ha:

But I’m glad to see it.

Linki @Golden i would tend to agree re G man painting a target on Sloonei.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 12:53 pm Current vote total as of ~7 hours left in Day 3:

GMan (4): SVS, Richochet, Scotty, DrWilgy
sig (3): Vivax, Kate, Golden
SVS (2): DFaraday, sig
Kate (1): Quin
Quin (1): GMan
Vivax (1): Sloonei

Not Voting (3): bea, Elo, Michelle

Currently insanified: Michelle, sig

Can somebody who is not me reflect on the fact that Sloonei was not a wagon at this point, and only became one in the latter half of the day as a direct counter to the G-man wagon?

Sure. I suspected G Man, I also suspected you more than sig or definitely my civ self. Myself, Scotty and Vivax all started posting some suspicion of you. One of them (I think Scotty but I am not sure) voted for you. I moved to you deciding that if a G Man lynch failed, I would prefer a Sloonei lynch. So I moved my vote. You may not agree with this reasoning, but you’re acting like a man in shock, repeating the same question in various forms over and over.

I can’t answer for anyone who voted for you after me, but apparently several people think you’re shady AF.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:30 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:25 pm @sig i can definitely see bad Bea, her vote last night was a big fat WTF imo.

I posted some over the weekend about her, I’ll try to elaborate on that for you later if time allows.

Okay nice, yea the tie/vote was definitely a bad look. Do you think it fits into her meta more to try and save a teammate or throw them under the bus?

Bea is an awesome bad teammate to have. She is loyal to a fault. This is bad or good; good Bea is one of the few people I know who really thinks of the civs as a team, just like the baddies.

Bea would take a chance to save a teammate, yeah.

@sig i can definitely see bad Bea, her vote last night was a big fat WTF imo.

I posted some over the weekend about her, I’ll try to elaborate on that for you later if time allows.

Oh really I’m sorry I thought it was me. Maybe I was second then?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:06 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:59 am Why was I a better option than G-man?

I am feeling DH the more I play this game.

Just this morning I said that I did not feel any of the other possible wagons forming, and when someone else voted for you, I moved my vote so if there were two wagons, they would both be people I suspected.

That’s why you. I suspected you. I felt if I helped form a second wagon on someone I suspected, then someone I suspected was bound to be lynched.

Why was it important to have two options when you were okay with the first option?

I have to explain this? I wanted to lynch a baddie. If I think two people are bad and they both have strong wagons, a civ can’t accidentally be lynched. I wanted to head off a civ wagon.

Also I hope I did not offend you, it wasn’t my intention. I was just stating my belief. I’ll pull back off of that.

Linki @ sig

And yeah, it is No U, since you’ve expressed suspicion of pretty much everyone lol

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:59 am Why was I a better option than G-man?

I am feeling DH the more I play this game.

Just this morning I said that I did not feel any of the other possible wagons forming, and when someone else voted for you, I moved my vote so if there were two wagons, they would both be people I suspected.

That’s why you. I suspected you. I felt if I helped form a second wagon on someone I suspected, then someone I suspected was bound to be lynched.

Ebwop, and fwiw, Sloon, I still think you could be bad and this overt “No U” isn’t helping. Eloh I think is a civ, and I’ve thought so since I first came in thread.

Civs dont have to be all kumbaya all the time, but I’d appreciate it if you’d read my posts (see I really AM replacing DH).

I plan on revising my player standings before end of night, finishing my read if Michelle, and starting a read of Quin.