The Syndicate

Seamus Fitzroy, I would enjoy meeting you if that would be agreeable to you.

Also, "sig fell down the well!"

good night all, awesome result

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:28 pm If sig isn't a civilian, I don't know what to tell you.

Yeah sig is my top town read.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:04 pm Tunrip, Sabie and maybe SVS are the ones I'm looking at after Radish flip.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:29 pm I know some people think it's dumb to do connection analysis, but it's pretty much the only thing I got now. I don't get anywhere if I just think about one player at the time, cause I can usually argue both sides then. I don't feel I have enough grasp on most people's meta.

So I'm just putting this out there in case it becomes useful for later.
- Turnip has only critical things to say about Radish. Yet he ends up on the Nut wagon on D1 with the insistence of "We should stay the course" on her. He's also said D2 that he could still vote Radish. But he isn't. Right now he wants to build a Jack-Wagon.
- Turnip has absolutely no interaction with SVS at all, apart from saying "Hi, it's an honor to be playing with you again." He also removed SVS from my maybe-town-list, but I have no idea why, since he has not mentioned SVS at all.
- I already spoke about the possible Radish/sabie-connection. Not sure on this.
- Not sure on SVS as well tbh.

For future reference if Radish or someone flips scum.

Maybe SVS, lol. Just harvest the seeds and give me something to work with, all this low key "maybe SVS" is giving me agita.

Bye Badishes! Better luck next game

YAY!!!!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:37 pm Need a shower. Still think it’s Mac. Good luck.

There isn't just one.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:27 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:18 pm Okay so the fact that I have had 6 unmoved votes on me for the past 2 hours approaching deadline is a pretty solid indication that both scum teams are on my wagon imo.

The fact that Jack/TH/G-Man and Radishes wagons have all had no momentum strongly indicates at least 1, probably more of them are solid wagons.

I am not letting you lynch me today. So figure out where to put your vote that isn't me. This ain't happening.

Okay, I don’t trust Sloonei, so I can’t vote for Radish. I’m not crazy enough to vote for myself (yet). That leaves TH. I don’t have a handle on the case for lynching him, so care to share? There’s too much post-vomit to sift through and I’ve got ironing to do.

Why don't you trust me, and why does distrusting me exclude you from voting alongside me in a game with two mafia teams?

[mention]juliets[/mention] I can't multiquote on phone; this is why imo, Sloonei makes a good point.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:30 pm g-man and radishes are partners.

This ^^^

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:21 pm I am not going to vote for TH unless I have no choice. G-Man and MR are the counterwagons here imo. If you don't want to be on me at end of day start.contemplating which of them you want lynched. I would prefer it to be MR over G-Man beacuse the MR suspicion has the right combination of momentum without ever seeming to be able to get over the line. Of the three c'wagons I'd say that's your huckleberr.

I started out there I could go back. I don't wanna lunch TH either.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:26 pmFour town reads on Jack, Mac, Jay, and Dom. That's a wide brush that scum TH might be hesitant to use. Bad vegetables might be inclined to leave as many potential suspects on the table as possible. TH eliminates four candidates, three of whom have been anything but stable town reads in the thread, in one instant. Good look.

Good observation. In a game with 90 mafia members, his willingness to drop those names is the opposite of opportunism.

Isn’t TH voting me though?

He got a narrower brush

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:47 pm Opinions please:

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:32 am I see sabie12 and Michelle share my suspicion of TH (maybe others too, i did not read everything, and probably won't get around to it), so i'm glad to see i'm not the only one. I'm putting a vote there.

I think tranq would be exponentially more involved if he was bad. I have not agreed with much he has said but I would be surprised if he were on a baddie team.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:13 pm Those who suspect G-Man: please tell me what you think of this.

It's a lot of words. I don't think they are all accurate or true.

I would move to sprit, I hated his Nanook vote and the progression he made to arrive there. Basically, Nanook suspects Colin, Nanook bad.

I could also move to sabie, I can't read her well, tbh, she seems pretty opportunistic in her reads.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:04 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:03 pm I know that; I meant the wisdom that coems from the afterlife. I love this mechanic! I want someone to use it lol. Lots of games after I die, it all seems so clear

She is still there as of her last post.

Oh, I missed that. I did a targeted read today to catch up. Thanks.

I would still vote elsewhere, tbh.

I could get behind sprit, I hate his vote for Nanook. Anyhow, back shortly.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:00 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:56 pm I would be interested in nutells take on Mac during her lynch, if she is around and has a dead post to spare.

My suspicion of Mac was based on his behavior during her lynch, and reading back, his progression seemed pretty natural to me. It did not have the baddie stink about it.

I should be back in about an hour, maybe less.

I'll speak in case she is out of or low on ghost posts: she voiced suspicion of Mac before she was dead. You can piece together her perspective around that point in her post history.

I know that; I meant the wisdom that coems from the afterlife. I love this mechanic! I want someone to use it lol. Lots of games after I die, it all seems so clear

I would be interested in [mention]nutells[/mention] take on Mac during her lynch, if she is around and has a dead post to spare.

My suspicion of Mac was based on his behavior during her lynch, and reading back, his progression seemed pretty natural to me. It did not have the baddie stink about it.

I should be back in about an hour, maybe less.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:51 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:49 pm My gut is telling me to vote Jack.

Your gut on me sucks.

Why would you even suspect me?

I'll provide ample reasons in due time.

Well you had best start, it doesn'tlook like your have that much time, lol.

[mention]G-Man[/mention] I skimmed your post and you made some stuff up about my game, I am disappoint. I talk too much regardless of alignment

[mention]Master Radishes[/mention] I skimmed over your post where you say I am "clinging" to your wagon (orsomething to that effect online at Target, why am I so pathetic?) and that is not true, I switched my vote off of you within an hour or so of getting online earlier.

Jeez, you people.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:13 pm Oompa loompa doompadee durst,
When did I ever say I was cursed?



More after I eat some lunch.

This is his last post, so I don't think he's cursed, and I don't think he dropped it


Now really, bye lol

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:30 pm Dyslexicon
Epignosis
juliets
Michelle
nutella
S~V~S

Sloonei
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime
sprityo
Tranq
Turnip Head

ColinIsCool
Dom
Dragomir

G-Man
Jackofhearts2005
MacDougall
Master Radishes
NANOOK
sabie12
sig
speedchuck

He was quoting this post from Jay, except he switched him and Jay around in the order.

I'm gonna go take a shower and hit the supermarket. bbl.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:14 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:07 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:18 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:28 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:21 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:48 pm I'd rather kill Colin anyways, which is where my vote is going

This isn’t the worst take

It is, in fact, an excellent take

It’s actually a bad take and wrong

NANOOK and TH dropping an easy vote on Collin makes them look bad

SVS has him as red as well, or at least I just read.

I’m on the colin is town side

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

It’s pizza time so I’ll come back to this once I catchup

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:32 pm Phone posting is gonna be a chore until I get wifi in my barracks room, but:

I think Colin is mislynch bait. I haven’t liked Nanook’s reasoning towards it either. I feel compelled to reflect this in a red green list

So am I correct in thinking sprit wants to lynch Nanook solely for suspecting Colin?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:46 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:16 pm To elucidate the difference, I recall Colin being like a dog with a bone in the game I saw him as town (I think the wire, not 100% sure), whereas this game he’s a bit more drifty. I don’t recall him being much more active than in this game. That seems like enough of a difference to me to run with

So NANOOK, prior I didn’t see any other mention of colin or a suspicion until this post. This was after you had said colin was a baddie.

And there is truly no other player you have a better or any reason to suspect at the moment? Given your post amount, I’m positive you can do better.

Also where NANOOK and juliets were talking pinged me slightly, not sure why

To be honest, I didn't see any mention of a Nanook suspicion from sprit until the post where he voted for him. Pretty much everything he says about Nanook here would apply to him as well.

Gonna be honest, I hate this progression as much as I like Macs in the post I made earlier.

weird ya?

No, not at all. Totally normal

... if he does show up, I won't even bitch about the Oompa Loompas (too much).

OMG and I hounded you for it, too.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:58 pm G-man did not post with any noticeable restrictions, as far as I’m aware, on Day 1. His relative level of activity has not changed much between Days 1 & 2, so we can’t say that his activity has been diminished by the oompa loompa doompity shtick. But his activity on Day 1 was underwhelming, and he had been under heat for that coming into Day 2, so while the adoption of the posting restriction isn’t reducing his content output, it is perhaps enabling him to remain under the radar with a newly added security blanket.

I have to wonder if scum G-man would employ this strategy knowing that people were already suspecting him for his lack of activity on Day 1. This isn’t addressing the issue, it is exacerbating it. If G-man is bad, he could be trying to get us to think along these exact lines. Or he’s just town and having fun. Or he’s just having fun regardless of his alignment. I don’t really know, so I’m going to stick to judging the content of the posts through the oompa loompa song.

I reread him after I posted my first reply to you, and I saw one candle in the darkness. I want to see what he does with it. Civ G Man can be an awesome force for the town, and it isn't too late for him to show up.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:34 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:29 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:13 pm Oompa loompa doompadee durst,
When did I ever say I was cursed?



More after I eat some lunch.

I never thought you were cursed, but when the assumption went around, you didn't correct it earlier, did you?

Self imposed posting restrictions are a great way for a baddie to hide out, and your content is slim. I will be here on and off all day, give me some of those sweet accountant analyses, G Man.

I want you to make me believe you, you know I do.

Self-imposed restrictions are a good way to hide IF the player is hiding behind the restriction. Do we think that G-man is doing that here?

I also acknowledge that you made a post about Mac’s Day 1. I will take a closer look at that soon.

I think that people who serially post in self imposed restrictions as G Man often does are playing a long game to some extent. When you hide behind it as a baddie, people can just say, "Oh he always does that" like you are doing now. It's a form of saving for a rainy day as well as a fun thing to do, IMO. It annoys the living daylights out of me, and I always find it suspicions. Especially since, in this case, he is always talking about how pressed for time he is, yet he still chooses to post in Oompa Loompa?

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:13 pm Oompa loompa doompadee durst,
When did I ever say I was cursed?



More after I eat some lunch.

I never thought you were cursed, but when the assumption went around, you didn't correct it earlier, did you?

Self imposed posting restrictions are a great way for a baddie to hide out, and your content is slim. I will be here on and off all day, give me some of those sweet accountant analyses, G Man.

I want you to make me believe you, you know I do.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:55 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:53 pmDizzy I see your point. My first assumption would be that he just wasn't remembering that we have two mafia teams but maybe that thought is naive. I would like to see ted's response to your point. (I can't get the mention thing to work for some reason).

Not remembering? I can't make my brain function because the thread is flowing with scum and it's impossible to see anything in this mess that is this huge multiball. How can you not remember?

For me, it isn't so much a matter of not remembering as it is an issue of playing a certain way, and not being used to taking that into account.

One of the reasons I stopped playing Mafia was that I am so bad at one baddie team games, I don't really know how to play them well. Especially when I am bad, but even when I am civ. And this site started skewing to two faction games, civ/bad. I always come back for LC/BR games becasue they are awesome hosts, but becasue they put together multi faction games, which is where I shine.

I don't presume to speak for Ted and his Mafia experience, but it could be he just isn't used to thinking in those terms. But,like you , I don't really know him.

sig moved to G Man.

Hi [mention]sig[/mention]

linki @ Jules, lol

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] your precise readings of posts might be why we are having an issue, becasue I agree with most of what you say, if not all. You sound civ, you feel civ, but if you are precision reading me, yeah. LOL> I word vomit and don't put much thought into word placement, at least not when civ. My good friend Kate told me that that was my tell for her, if I had neat polished posts where I spelled "Because" correctly and used several well placed smilies, I was sure to be bad.

So take that as you will. I am glad we had this exchange, becasue it made me understand your game a bit better.

I moved to [VOTE: G Man] aubergine for now.

Linki [mention]Sloonei[/mention] I made a post about the progression from Nutella=Civ" to "Nutella=bad" on Macs part, I thought he felt natural there. Feel free to read it!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:53 pm [mention]S~V~S [/mention] I don't know Ted at all. Thanks for the response.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:52 pm What makes you think Dys has experience with me?

You are both playing here in the last year, while I have not. No nefarious reason. It was an assumption, and apparently a poor one.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:41 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:35 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:34 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:29 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:28 pm If G-Man's not scum I will let Karen leave me and also take the kids willingly

He's not.

ah shit you are right

How. Explain it to me, I know G's game up close and personal, both good and bad, and I think he's bad. What am I missing, plz?

i was being sarcastic

Thank you, I an not good at that kind of nuance without the orange, lol.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:31 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:13 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:28 amSecondly, yes, I think that posting is real and it doesn’t even matter if he’s Saitama or not, my point was I expect mafia members to know of each other’s actions so that just spews him not scum.

Wait. I disagree that Mac is spewed as not the silencer/not on the silencing team. But even if he was, as you argue, that does not spew him as not scum, it just spews him as not on that team. Unless you are on the other team.

@S~V~S @Juliets Thoughts? Too simple?

Dizzy, I am having trouble following what you guys are saying. I need to go back and read ted's whole post so I understand what he's referencing.

This, Iam not understanding what I am being asked

sig thinks Saitama silenced him, and he thinks Mac is Saitama. I think any number of people might silence sig, this is also a role, and not on the same team as Saitama:

Architect - Each night, you will switch two players, so that each is hit by the player targeting the other. *secrets*

linki quote:

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:42 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:39 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:35 pmlinki @Dyslexicon I saw that post earlier. I am missing the nuance of that post. I don't think a person has to be a specific role on a team for a different teammate to act on their behalf. If this is not the point, can you spell it out for me?

That is not the point. I'll explain:
Ted says the Mac spewed himself as not a member of the silencing-team, ergo ONE of the mafia teams.
He then concludes this spews Mac as not scum.
But that is not a conclusion you can draw. Even if Ted is right, that just means Mac is not on THAT mafia team. There's still another team. I wonder if this is a slip of mind that Ted is on the other team himself.

Does this make sense?

Ted is basically saying: "[This] proves that Mac is not on Team A which means he's not scum."
And I say:

I'm a bit wary of these slips, cause sometimes it's just bad wording. But still, it may be something.

Thank you, now I understand. Teds syntax is not unlike mine, he writes like he's talking. I tend not to read too far into things like that becasue I know it gets me in trouble at times. I have seen a lot of posts from a lot of people in this game that sound like they are skewed to the one team perspective. That analysis of what he said strikes me a little tinfoil, I don't think civvies worry about precision wording as much as baddies, BUT I think you know him better than I do, this is the first time I have seen him. It he normally a precise individual?

Based on my own thread read of Mac, I feel his Nutella push was a natural progression, and the main reason I had suspicion of him was that nutella push.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:34 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:29 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:28 pm If G-Man's not scum I will let Karen leave me and also take the kids willingly

He's not.

ah shit you are right

How. Explain it to me, I know G's game up close and personal, both good and bad, and I think he's bad. What am I missing, plz?

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:26 pm [mention]G-Man[/mention]

Can you think of a reason someone would target you with a curse? Do you see a role that you think makes sense to be a curser?

Also, I need to understand what this line means:

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:49 pm Oompa loompa doompadee don,
Some things I can’t put my finger on.
Oompa loompa doompadee dee,
Here are some folks who seem off to me.

Jay posts a lot, yes this style’s a given,
But something about him feels agenda-driven.
Sloonei’s sus of me felt hollow at best;
Auto-distrust for Dom and S~V~S.

I need to read the poll leaders.

Oompa loompa doompadee doo,
I’m keeping up better on Day 2.
Trying to gauge whose posts feel false
Before momentum waivers and stalls.

If you can fit the answers to those questions into the Oompa Loompa format I would be grateful. I'm from the old school that says it's bad form to vote for someone who's cursed or silenced but I'm having doubts about this being a real curse.

It means he automatically distrusts me and Dom, this is not news to me and I doubt to Dom, either, or anyone who has played with G and I since BSG.

I think I have made enough posts for him to have moved past autodistrust, but whatevs.

As I said up there, I would consider forming either a sprit or G Man counter wagon, I really don't want to lynch Mac, and I have better reasons in my mind to distrust G Man and sprit than Badishes (I think I will always call him Badishes now, lol, he's gonna hate me).

linki [mention]tedxtr[/mention] but I mentioned TH, not sure about why they would/would not remove me from a list though.

linki [mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] I saw that post earlier. I am missing the nuance of that post. I don't think a person has to be a specific role on a team for a different teammate to act on their behalf. If this is not the point, can you spell it out for me?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:16 pm Some notes:

- I feel Colin is more likely town than scum for his righteousness. "Lynch me and I'll laugh at you". Annoying attitude, but probably likelier town than scum.

- I don't feel like lynching Mac is a good idea. I don't know. I kind of buy his defense, and i also feel like how he's giving out reads and thoughts rapidly, but then at the same time warns against "you should probably not listen to these" is more town. It's town doubt that he doesn't want to be fully responsible for those reads. That's my feeling.

- I'm honestly getting cold feet on Radish, but that is just because it would suck so much if he's town here.

- I can't follow the convo between Juliets and Sloonei at all.

I agree with you wholeheartedly re Mac, and also do not feel Badishes as much as I did. I could get behind a sprit or G Man lynch, but Don't want to leave the biggest counterwagon to Mac, since I don't feel Badishes as much but I still don't feel he's in the green, either.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:18 pm Ok, I'm going to go deep gut now.

Team 1: Radish, Sabie, SVS, X
Team 2: Ted, Epi, X, X

Voodoo

Lol, sowing the seeds

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:18 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:28 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:21 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:48 pm I'd rather kill Colin anyways, which is where my vote is going

This isn’t the worst take

It is, in fact, an excellent take

It’s actually a bad take and wrong

NANOOK and TH dropping an easy vote on Collin makes them look bad

SVS has him as red as well, or at least I just read.

I’m on the colin is town side

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

It’s pizza time so I’ll come back to this once I catchup

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:32 pm Phone posting is gonna be a chore until I get wifi in my barracks room, but:

I think Colin is mislynch bait. I haven’t liked Nanook’s reasoning towards it either. I feel compelled to reflect this in a red green list

So am I correct in thinking sprit wants to lynch Nanook solely for suspecting Colin?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:46 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:16 pm To elucidate the difference, I recall Colin being like a dog with a bone in the game I saw him as town (I think the wire, not 100% sure), whereas this game he’s a bit more drifty. I don’t recall him being much more active than in this game. That seems like enough of a difference to me to run with

So NANOOK, prior I didn’t see any other mention of colin or a suspicion until this post. This was after you had said colin was a baddie.

And there is truly no other player you have a better or any reason to suspect at the moment? Given your post amount, I’m positive you can do better.

Also where NANOOK and juliets were talking pinged me slightly, not sure why

To be honest, I didn't see any mention of a Nanook suspicion from sprit until the post where he voted for him. Pretty much everything he says about Nanook here would apply to him as well.

Gonna be honest, I hate this progression as much as I like Macs in the post I made earlier.

Question to everyone:

What role do you think targeted G Man with this curse? Uncle Fester?

Out of curiosity, why would baddies target a low poster who had very little topical content up to the point he was cursed with a curse of this nature? I would expect them to curse someone with a strong town read and a high post count.

Targeting G Man with this makes little sense to me.

linki, thanks Jules, I was about to go there myself, I am still flitting around the thread. I just like hearing other peoples interpretations of things, it helps me sort them as well as the subject of the opinion, if that makes sense.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:18 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:10 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:05 am Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.

Why would baddie Mac express a strong townread on nutella and then flip flop just as soon? Why would a bad guy do that? It's a townie maneuever, just like your exact opposite flip flop was (I assume) townie.

I like this post, it makes sense to me. I had not seen it this way, I missed his "Nutella is town" posts.

This was Tuesday night,

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:08 am Nutella is town

This was Weds night,

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:39 pm Btw Jack is always right about Nutella. It's canon. So either he's town and she's wolf or he's wolf and she's wolf, or he's wolf and she's town. But one of them is always a wolf so we should lynch Nutella.

And this one, about an hour after ^^ he started to change mind, you can almost see it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:48 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:39 pm Btw Jack is always right about Nutella. It's canon. So either he's town and she's wolf or he's wolf and she's wolf, or he's wolf and she's town. But one of them is always a wolf so we should lynch Nutella.

You his teammate? Lmao you know better than this.

I was just thinking you're probably bad anyway. Then this. C'mon man

You have literally been in scum teams with me where you have been immediately caught by Jack and lamented profoundly how well he reads you. So your defense here is hilariously bad.

Then his next post, he made up his mind.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:48 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:39 pm Btw Jack is always right about Nutella. It's canon. So either he's town and she's wolf or he's wolf and she's wolf, or he's wolf and she's town. But one of them is always a wolf so we should lynch Nutella.

You his teammate? Lmao you know better than this.

I was just thinking you're probably bad anyway. Then this. C'mon man

You have literally been in scum teams with me where you have been immediately caught by Jack and lamented profoundly how well he reads you. So your defense here is hilariously bad.

Did you like even read his posts tho. He's wrong and he even said he might be at first, then he doubled down.

I'm not a wolf. Use your own brain, not Jack's.

So he had a little doubt at first as is normal and then soul read you the way that he always does when he's right about you... noted.

This looks very much like a civ minded progression, it looks honest and real, not contrived and set up.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:55 am Sorry, S~V~S I am jumping in the shower and out the door to the gym. Quickly though, there were debates about Colin and Mac so I would look at them in ISO's if you can.

Thanks, Jules. I tend to have better comprehension reading thread exchanges than ISOs in general, I find I miss less nuance that way, but I will ISO them as well. Colin was a red read for me, but only as a default since I did not remember much of what he had said, and Mac was a red as well since he had not had anything to say after nutella flipped non-baddie, and his whole thing there reminded me of bad Mac (although I tend to baddie read him in general, so my opinion is not always the most valuable there), so they were both on my list.

Also, if there is anything I have to address, let me know.

Also, can anyone give me their take on why sprit voted for Nanook? Out of all the votes I see up there, that is the one that surprises me the most.

Sorry all, I fell asleep on the couch after dinner, I tried to come in and read, but I was shot. Will play catch up.

If anyone(s) can tell me what happened yesterday, from their perspective, that would be helpful to me (and maybe the thread at large; hearing different perspectives on the same thing can be helpful).

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:23 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 11:00 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:41 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:33 am ebwop, proofread fail : Sloonei: civ, of the big three (Jay, Epi, Sloonei) I feel most confident in his civness. In their case I defeulted to civ not so much becasue I have seen their civ game as I haven't seen their bad. With Sloonei, I think I have seen his civ game as well as not seen his bad game.

Uh am i dumb for seeing a slip here? Why is sloonei in red but you have him green?

Tough crowd! It means I cut and pasted this clip from the original post and used the wrong color to highlight it. Still find Sloonei green.

yeah but how can you red lean someone that you were thinking was civvie tho?

Did you read the post above it? Sloonei was green in that post, I was proofreading it, and I accidentally colored the cut/paste the wrong color, lol. This was an ebwop, edit by way of post since editing isn't allowed. I don't red read him, it was a mistake. Look at the post *right before this one*, the one where I gave reads on everyone. I green read him. This was just to clarify wording, and I used the wrong color is all.

Just leaving work, will bbl.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:41 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:33 am ebwop, proofread fail : Sloonei: civ, of the big three (Jay, Epi, Sloonei) I feel most confident in his civness. In their case I defeulted to civ not so much becasue I have seen their civ game as I haven't seen their bad. With Sloonei, I think I have seen his civ game as well as not seen his bad game.

Uh am i dumb for seeing a slip here? Why is sloonei in red but you have him green?

Tough crowd! It means I cut and pasted this clip from the original post and used the wrong color to highlight it. Still find Sloonei green.

ebwop, proofread fail : Sloonei: civ, of the big three (Jay, Epi, Sloonei) I feel most confident in his civness. In their case I defeulted to civ not so much becasue I have seen their civ game as I haven't seen their bad. With Sloonei, I think I have seen his civ game as well as not seen his bad game.

I'm gonna do a GTH post, not a rainbow. I will only comment on some and expand after work tonight (Saturday is my long, difficult day at work, so it is very unlikely I will post during the day today). Bad is kind of a default position (see: Dragomir) for "no opinion" I should have an opinion by now.

Colin, bad, I have to reread him, but I don't remember much he has said. So bad as a default position.

Dom, civ with caveats: he can fool me, he knows it, I know it. So he makes me paranoid, but so far I see civ Dom. *IF* he is bad, I don't think he's bad with G or Jay. That "queen" thing kinda freaked me a bit, not gonna lie, but it was also sweet and totally a Dom thing to do

Drago: bad (last post asking about host posts, I don't know that anyone ever answered him. This is, like Colin, a default position, I don't know his game, and I know walking into a 30+ page thread is intimidating, but asking a question and leaving it hang seems kinda sketch to me.

Dyslexicon: bad, I have complex feels on this. She was a civ read then I shaded her down. She says and does things that feel/sound civ, but then she also is pushing low level minor shade at me and never giving me anything to work with. Early on, she, along with Radishes, asked the thread more than once, why people were town reading me. Aside from the fact that she was mirroring Radishes who I think is bad bad bad, it, along with all of her "Alas, I want to town read SVS but I am not sure why, someone else tell me what to think about this" hand wringing, it just strikes me as her wanting to find me bad. What she is doing is a play I have in my baddie book, too. Drop a crumb, see if anyone picks it up. Sowing the seeds of suspish. Disclaimer, I would feel this if she were doing it to someone else, too. Plus her Radishes suspish feels like distancing to me, tbh.

Epignosis: Civ. I am not seeing bad Epi, unless his game radically changed since I last played with him. Anyone have recent bad/civ Epi games I can look at? For me, "Bad Epi" is more obvious that "Good Epi", and I have not seen that scary person yet.

G Man: bad, I thought so for days, no change. I don't see a curse role (cursed objects is the closest thing) and doing self imposed posting gimmicks is a G Man thing, it is known. Not buying it. This is probably my first vote today unless I convince myself otherwise later in this post.

Jack: light civ; I thought he was bad bad until he backpedalled on nutella, I see no reason for him to have done that if he was bad. Before that he was close to the top of my bad list, though, so

Jay: civ, I feel like I do on Epi here, he seems civ to me, using my Jay barometer, but the barometer may need calibration.

Juliets: Jules is a civ, fight me if you don't agree.

MacDougall: bad, his play on the nutella lynch felt bad to me, and he has not returned since then. How he spins that situation will aim how I slot him. This is his last post (I am generally not posting posts in this post, but this one kinda counterpoints my thoughts on Dsy, so, breaking my own rules! I'm a rebel!)

It's from Day one, no reaction to the nutella lynch as of yet. Macdougall, come and tellme how you feel about how Day One ended.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:33 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:31 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:20 pm I don't know why I feel resistance to read S-V-S as town. Cause she probably very well could be.

Good read

What? This is a terrible read. What does it even mean?

Master Radishes: He's bad, he's bad. You know it, he's bad.

[VOTE: Master Badishes] aubergine

Michelle: civ but could flip to bad, she gave me good feels early on, and I have seen nothing to change it, and therein lies the problem. I need moar Michelle. Gimme that content.

Nanook: civ, I though Nanook 1 was bad, not gonna lie. I reacted to him not unlike how I reacted to Chuck defending supabad LC in that other game. The way he came into his second life made me see commonality between his games so far, I liked him going right on the attack. I think if he were bad he would have pulled his punches a bit.

S~V~S: She is as civ as they come

sabie: bad, she seems a bit wishy washy so far, but I remember thinking she was bad in the past for that, and she wasn't. Putting bad as a default position.

sig; town, one of my civvier reads. I would actively fight a sigwagon.

Sloonei: civ, of the big three (Jay, Epi, Sloonei) I feel most confident in his civness. In their case I defeulted to civ not so much becasue I have seen their civ game as I haven't seen their bad. With Sloonei, I think I have seen both.

speedchuck: bad, this is more of a default position, I have not seen anything to think he is good, but then I am not a speedchuck reader. He is on my list for a reread tonight.

sprit: bad, I read him yesterday and it was meh. He is the opposite of nutella and epi for me, he has a bit of a mean feel for me when he is civ, maybe mean is the wrong word, maybe "biting"is better. Not gonna lie, I blew him up a few years ago and I try to avoid him since then. He says he is going home, maybe he will have more time. He has not said much topical so far.

tedxtr: civ, I like the cut of his jib so far. I like how he explains himself. He's higher on the list for me.

TonyStarkPrime: civ, I reread him yesterday, and expected to think him bad, but I like his posts, they are consice but get his point across, and I found nothing iffy or opportunistic feeling.

Tranq: civ, someone had said civ Tranq doesn't post much and that is true. Tranq with a chatroom banters more in thread. Tranq is like Dom, though, in that it is easy for him to charm me. Some of his opinions, when he started posting them, surprised me, like his thoughts on TH (see below). Tranq, TH and I all come from the same figurative home town, and I was surprised to see that read on TH.

Turnip Head: civ, this is my waffliest read, town TH can be a mad oracle, but like the words of most oracles, it requires interpretation. I *think* I am interpreting him in the correct way but I would like to see more words, plz, K, TH?

And I gotta go take a shower gonna post this without further ado.

Also gotta go to bed, work tomorrow then off Sunday and Monday. Later.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:00 pm I would gamble on there being at least one mafia in Colin/g-man/drago/tranq

At least a nickel, maybe even a whole 7 cents.

I reread some of the quieter people today, and will add Colin, I already did G and Tranq. I don't see much alarming in Tranq, even though we don't seem to see eye to eye on people. [mention]juliets[/mention] probably knows Tranq best; Jules any opinion yet on Tranq?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:41 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:39 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:34 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:32 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:02 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:56 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:54 pm Guess i don't have to catch up on 30 pages of posts right now.

juliets fell down the well!

I don't know what you mean -

It has to do with the Lassie role, he's being nice to you

RIP Nanook and Nutella. No civvies went, but no baddies went either, but it helped sort my thoughts a bit.

@nutella @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME remember you have only limited posts. Looking forward to hearing from you.

That post was badass, LC!

Ok, I didn't say "yay", but sorry I missed you as a civ. I did RIP you. It was an unintentionally slight.

It’s not that it’s a slight, but it makes it feel like a forced/manufactured reaction to me.

Why would misstating your Alignment right after the host post which clearly called you a civ be forced? I am confused as to how this would make me bad, especially as your death was a total surprise, in addition to the early lynch.

What would be the point of manufacturing a false reaction?

It feels like a “hello fellow town, yes aren’t we all relieved?” thing, idk how to explain it properly. It just gave a strong gut scum read

Try some Pepto for that. I was mainly pleased Nutella wasn't a team baddie, so my read was right, but that she also wasn't civ. sorry if it seemed false to you, but it wasnt.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:34 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:32 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:02 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:56 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:54 pm Guess i don't have to catch up on 30 pages of posts right now.

juliets fell down the well!

I don't know what you mean -

It has to do with the Lassie role, he's being nice to you

RIP Nanook and Nutella. No civvies went, but no baddies went either, but it helped sort my thoughts a bit.

@nutella @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME remember you have only limited posts. Looking forward to hearing from you.

That post was badass, LC!

Ok, I didn't say "yay", but sorry I missed you as a civ. I did RIP you. It was an unintentionally slight.

It’s not that it’s a slight, but it makes it feel like a forced/manufactured reaction to me.

Why would misstating your Alignment right after the host post which clearly called you a civ be forced? I am confused as to how this would make me bad, especially as your death was a total surprise, in addition to the early lynch.

What would be the point of manufacturing a false reaction?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:02 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:56 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:54 pm Guess i don't have to catch up on 30 pages of posts right now.

juliets fell down the well!

I don't know what you mean -

It has to do with the Lassie role, he's being nice to you

RIP Nanook and Nutella. No civvies went, but no baddies went either, but it helped sort my thoughts a bit.

@nutella @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME remember you have only limited posts. Looking forward to hearing from you.

That post was badass, LC!

Ok, I didn't say "yay", but sorry I missed you as a civ. I did RIP you. It was an unintentionally slight.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:16 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:03 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:49 pm SVS and Colin are probably the people I want to kill the most tbh

Sorry if I somehow traumatized your first incarnation, I didn't mean it and would be happy to address any concerns you have so long as you keep that burning torch away from me

What was my original alignment

You were a civvie and you were the only civvie to die day1, nutella was an Indy, or third party as some say.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:49 pm SVS and Colin are probably the people I want to kill the most tbh

Sorry if I somehow traumatized your first incarnation, I didn't mean it and would be happy to address any concerns you have so long as you keep that burning torch away from me

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:27 pm Colin is probably the player I’ve driven the most mislynches against historically. I’m wary of that. None of his posts have stood out to me, but I’ve been operating at less than full capacity the last 72 hours.

G-man has been underwhelming. That becomes more suspicious the later we get into the game.

I’m on opposite of this. G-man gives me a good feeling, haven’t gotten any of that sense from Colin. Though I didn’t eeLly know Colin was in this game until now. It’s hard to keep track of so many players.

What about G Man felt good to you? because I'm struggling to see it, and in G's case it could be that I'm missing the civvie stuff because I have overblown expectations from him.