The Syndicate

But really, the fault lies with the townies who let him get away with it. GG NANOOK

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:58 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

No ties \o/

Hooray!

If this rands and goes wrong I will be so upset

But none of the viable wagons besides LC are inspiring to me

@Epignosis is here, want to say anything?

5 minutes to EoD, and I'm not sold on either wagon

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:53 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:50 pm Enough people are willing to vote Wilgy that such a wagon could be viable

Idk. I sat there for like 20 min and nobody followed.

Maybe this may be looking over again if one of the potential Wilgy voters flips scum. People saying they're willing to vote an inactive slot but not doing it when push comes to shove is often a sign of w/w

I'll have to relook over SVS. I remember their flip on Scotty was weird, but not a lot else that stood out in terms of wolfinesson the slot

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:50 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:47 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:47 pm I do not want Jack dead today. I don’t have any really confident scumreads and LC is more of a guess.

Who would you vote today in an ideal world?

Honestly having a hard time between LC, Wilgy, and Roxy.

Which would you choose GTH?

Enough people are willing to vote Wilgy that such a wagon could be viable

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:48 pm [VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Is this in any way influenced by Roxy's vote on SVS?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:47 pm I do not want Jack dead today. I don’t have any really confident scumreads and LC is more of a guess.

Who would you vote today in an ideal world?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:45 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:45 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:31 pm I’m gonna get misyeeted while we have like 6 solo votes

Although I have a question of why you aren't self-presing here

Cause there’s 17 min to go and I don’t think LC is a wolf.

Also, I can self preserve at the buzzer but self preserving against a townie as a townie tends to get the other townie to vote for you, putting us in a worse spot.

That probably works for other alignments too but whatever.

Is @Long Con even here right now? I guess I'd expect wolves to be more likely to show up at EoD but I don't know enough about LC's schedule to make a fair judgement there

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:44 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:41 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:40 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:37 pm I’m hiding from my partner in the furniture store

onmobile so rekid me what did abi say about LC?

I don't think she mentioned LC, at least not in her initial rescind post. I can see Abby/LC being partners in that tinfoil world, but in that world Thunal and Delta would also have to be reconsidered

When Abi rescinded, she only mentioned LC in an add-on post & then voted once I brought it up. That's about it for their interactions

ty both (saw u leetic)

my tinfoil is fitting nicely it seems

So why not vote LC?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:31 pm I’m gonna get misyeeted while we have like 6 solo votes

Although I have a question of why you aren't self-presing here

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:37 pm I’m hiding from my partner in the furniture store

onmobile so rekid me what did abi say about LC?

I don't think she mentioned LC, at least not in her initial rescind post. I can see Abby/LC being partners in that tinfoil world, but in that world Thunal and Delta would also have to be reconsidered

Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:37 pm I'm hurt, pain killer
Can only do this to a friend bc I know she'll understand and know it means nothing


vote svs

Sorry to hear that, and I don't want to bother you too much, but is there a game-related reason for the vote?

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:36 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:34 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:30 pm actually [VOTE: Abigail] aubergine it's where my head is at after all

okay bye

If you want to save Jack you have to vote LC

let it rand

Don't. Someone, switch to LC, unless you have a better idea for a wagon

I like the voters on the LC wagon more than those on the Jack wagon, so there's that

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:30 pm actually [VOTE: Abigail] aubergine it's where my head is at after all

okay bye

If you want to save Jack you have to vote LC

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:25 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:24 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:20 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:18 pm I skimmed the rest instead of replying in order to catch up

@Jackofhearts2005 you're tring Abi. Am I tinfoiling that Abigail is scum that faked a check, like am I completely off base because if yes I gotta go drive to the office and rethink things in the car

I think so, yes. Like there’s no reason for scum Abby to do that plus I tr Dizzy and Abby independent of the peek.

I guess I was already tinfoiling dizzy D1 and the "I just wanna make D2" comment and then during the fake check people were quick to go "oh sure that explains why Dizzy was so cagey before subbing out"

but idk man. how can there just be no cop here. is that the world's dumbest slip or something? but no mech comes to mind that would say "there's no cop in this setup" unless scum got more info than us

Abby can think there’s no cop in the setup but like whatever. Maybe. Maybe not.

I don’t think a cop that does exist CCs there.

Ideally they wouldn't, but you can't 100% guarantee that they won't...

But whatever. I should be focused on solving, forgetting this for now

[VOTE: LC] aubergine I think Jack's last few posts have been towny and while I don't like tying I think this is a better option

@Justplayingitcool, I am rescinding my request for a sub. Now that I'm calmer, I can see I was acting stupid, and I don't want to put you and the game through the trouble of finding a sub. I still don't like Abby's behavior but am willing to work here. I'm sorry for my behavior and promise to do better at this point.

Anyway, back in time for EoD. Let's see

One final statement before I leave this game for good:

Yes, Abigail did accomplish a gambit that likely will end up helping town find scum. However, that gambit was based purely on her read of the situation, and not on any hard evidence that it would work out. Nobody's reads are good enough that it's worth putting an entire game in jeopardy over, and doing so shows a supreme lack of respect to the other players as if they're too big of idiots to do anything on their own. There are a million ways that this could have gone wrong, for instance if I was actually a PR I would have claimed, and just because nothing too bad happened here doesn't mean this behavior should be celebrated or encouraged.

That's all, logging off now. I wish my replacement the best of luck, and sorry to the players (even the wolves) and the host for not being able to see this game through to completion.

Town, just ignore me and focus on solving the game. Hopefully my replacement will arrive soon

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:48 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:31 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:28 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:26 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:24 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:19 pm Like that is behavior some hosts would modkill over for playing against wincon

No... no it's not

Fuck off lol

Yes it is, that could have gone very bad and you know it

You fuck off

How about you leave me the fuck alone

You don't get to decide what is and isn't good or bad

No host is killing a player for playing the game and faking a check or they are the worst host in mafia history and should be banned from ever hosting a mafia game on any site across the whole of FM

Leave
Me
Alone

You don't get to dictate how I play mafia shut the fuck up and solve the not obv towns

What am I supposed to say when you leave me flailing for hours in a move that could have killed the game? Well, town is losing a vocal player for that, and it's all your fault

You could say

Wow there's 24 hours left and lots of new and useful info let's solve the game thanks for giving town so much time to work with

You spent 24 hours whining about how town needed to do stuff

Now they have to and they have more info and you're showing no interest in moving the game forward anymore

Honestly it makes me wonder if my fake was actually right and now you can just drown town with negative energy cause I got cold feet and you don't need to pretend to care about solving anymore

You have to realize your actions have emotional consequences. Like really, if you force me for twenty-four hours to fight for my life and then say "oh, it was fake, I was just doing a potentially gamethrowing move" then what am I supposed to do? We're in a better place now but there are ways to do that without potentially throwing the game, so don't blame me if you don't have the skill or creativity to scumhunt without potentially outing all the town's PRs. But whatever, I'm supposed to be subbing out so I have no idea why I'm still responding

Maybe I should just stay in FFR

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:28 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:26 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:24 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:19 pm Like that is behavior some hosts would modkill over for playing against wincon

No... no it's not

Fuck off lol

Yes it is, that could have gone very bad and you know it

You fuck off

How about you leave me the fuck alone

You don't get to decide what is and isn't good or bad

No host is killing a player for playing the game and faking a check or they are the worst host in mafia history and should be banned from ever hosting a mafia game on any site across the whole of FM

Leave
Me
Alone

You don't get to dictate how I play mafia shut the fuck up and solve the not obv towns

What am I supposed to say when you leave me flailing for hours in a move that could have killed the game? Well, town is losing a vocal player for that, and it's all your fault

Like this is worse than Mikey's fake check, at least he felt there was no other way for town to listen to him unless he made the gambit. Abigail was just being lazy.

That's it, @Justplayingitcool I'm subbing out. I hate doing this, but when I'm just so pissed off from this bad play there's no way I can put in a good performance for town. Abigail should feel ashamed

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:24 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:19 pm Like that is behavior some hosts would modkill over for playing against wincon

No... no it's not

Fuck off lol

Yes it is, that could have gone very bad and you know it

You fuck off

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:21 pm I think this was actually helpful, and leetic will too once they’re no longer top wagon.

No, just because it might have a positive result in the end does not mean it's a good thing at all. This is probably the most frustrated I've ever been playing mafia, at least when scum framed me and when a jester fake red checked me they were playing to their wincons. I'm honestly considering getting a replacement

Like that is behavior some hosts would modkill over for playing against wincon

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:14 pm When I have no info and I'm not about to reread 18 pages this is an easy and low risk way to obtain info

I do not regret it

I never will

Bbl

It only turned out to be low risk because of the setup, which was closed and you didn't know. Don't put the game in jeopardy just because you're too lazy to read

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:12 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:58 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:55 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:53 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:49 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:43 pm I tell you, Abigail. You are very very lucky that you did not out any town PRs

No town PR is CCing me lol

If one did it would have been very very bad. There's a reason why fake cop claims like this are considered gamethrowing behavior

They aren't anywhere I've ever played considered game throwing

Town isn't stupid they aren't gonna CC especially since cop isn't in this set up lol

1. How do you know there is no cop in this setup?
2. How do you know they won't CC when town does stupid things all the time (case in point)?
3. How do you know there's no roleblocker, redirector, etc. whose actions could contradict your claim?

Just because it happened that the setup was such that this wasn't a disaster doesn't mean it couldn't have been. Don't do it again.

1. Intelligence and general balance

2. Intelligence and no town CCs that check before EoD

3. Intelligence because a redirection is not in this set up and a town RBer didn't RB me or you lol

Unbalanced setups happen all the time, and there were enough people who had suspected Dizzy that you couldn't guarantee no roleblocker on them. #2 depends on town playing optimally, which as we have seen in this game doesn't always happen. I have seen a game where this gambit nearly ruined everything, I don't think you appreciate the fire you're playing with

Plus, everyone who digged through my ISO looking for partner interactions wasted their time, so thanks for that

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:03 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:01 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:58 pm Everywhere I've ever played people fake all the time lol

There are times when you can fake it role madness but doing it in a setup with limited PRs is a very bad idea because if they get outed it's very very bad

Like this is not even a point that is up for debate

We understand your pov.

Continuing to argue it benefits no one. K thx bai.

They put me through all that BS for nothing, I get to be pissed off here

Although I definitely should calm down

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:58 pm Everywhere I've ever played people fake all the time lol

There are times when you can fake it role madness but doing it in a setup with limited PRs is a very bad idea because if they get outed it's very very bad

Like this is not even a point that is up for debate

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:56 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:54 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:52 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:49 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:43 pm I tell you, Abigail. You are very very lucky that you did not out any town PRs

No town PR is CCing me lol

Also I claimed cop specifically cause it purely never exists here

It's not just a cop; Mikey's play in the game I mentioned was bad because it outed a town roleblocker. Just don't do it again

Don't tell me how to play mafia. Kthx.

I will do it again and I do not care.

Then you will throw a game at some point. That's just that.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:55 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:53 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:49 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:43 pm I tell you, Abigail. You are very very lucky that you did not out any town PRs

No town PR is CCing me lol

If one did it would have been very very bad. There's a reason why fake cop claims like this are considered gamethrowing behavior

They aren't anywhere I've ever played considered game throwing

Town isn't stupid they aren't gonna CC especially since cop isn't in this set up lol

1. How do you know there is no cop in this setup?
2. How do you know they won't CC when town does stupid things all the time (case in point)?
3. How do you know there's no roleblocker, redirector, etc. whose actions could contradict your claim?

Just because it happened that the setup was such that this wasn't a disaster doesn't mean it couldn't have been. Don't do it again.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:52 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:49 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:43 pm I tell you, Abigail. You are very very lucky that you did not out any town PRs

No town PR is CCing me lol

Also I claimed cop specifically cause it purely never exists here

It's not just a cop; Mikey's play in the game I mentioned was bad because it outed a town roleblocker. Just don't do it again

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:49 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:43 pm I tell you, Abigail. You are very very lucky that you did not out any town PRs

No town PR is CCing me lol

If one did it would have been very very bad. There's a reason why fake cop claims like this are considered gamethrowing behavior

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:16 pm So we have someone not claiming when it could save them, someone not self-presing, and now it seems a cop fakeclaim gambit. If Abigail is town, then this game is a perfect storm of terrible town play

Aged wonderfully

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:47 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:41 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:40 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:06 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:38 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:10 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:51 am

Using the word *stupid* to describe a player is not nice and frowned upon by me.
I'm glad people are playing their own game instead of the lemmings that followed you yesterday.

Well to be stupid I would have to be wrong which I'm not so the insult lost its fangs.

Well, you are wrong. If you're actually town, you better apologize when I flip

Oh god they said the towny words

Cool I caught up

Time to piss Leetic off lol

I rescind my claim and Leetic is obv town as fuck

Thunal is obv town as fuck.

Delta is obv town as fuck.

Roxy looks awful

Jack looks awful

Pyxxy looks pretty mid

You can say I played bad but there's 24 hours left in this phase and we have 4 people who are basically lock town off this so let's go win a game and you can bitch at me after kk

I rescind my claim

What the actual fuck? You are invited to receive my nomination for "town dunce of the year"

Your invited to not be an ass

I got literally an entire town core off this lol

Oh right long con also looks pretty bad tbh

I'mma vote there

Making and maintaining a fake check like that is being an ass lol

But I really need to get myself out of this mindset

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:43 pm I tell you, Abigail. You are very very lucky that you did not out any town PRs

Well, I did out that I was vanilla, so scum knows I'm not PR now. Ugh.

Well, the first half of the day phase was wasted. Let's see if we can do something better in the second half

I'm probably gonna need a couple hours to clear my mind from that BS

I tell you, Abigail. You are very very lucky that you did not out any town PRs

Just when I've thought I've seen everything, this game finds another way to surprise me

All that BS for nothing. Town better back off my wagon

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:40 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:06 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:38 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:10 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:51 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:26 pm Sadly, Abigail is probably town. They are doing something incredibly stupid, which will be made clear in due time. But I just don't see mafia doing this — trying to out a potential Cop CC when it's unclear one exists and trying to kill a vocal townie that they could nightkill anyway just doesn't make sense to lose a decently townread player that will be outed by my flip. A 1v1 here will just waste town's day, so I'll try to do my best to avoid it.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine It is completely weird how they completely avoided talking about the elephant in the room, and since this is likely t/t and the two wagons last EoD that they ignored were also t/t, I think it shows a pretty consistent pattern of a wolf that is happy to let town fight itself.

Using the word *stupid* to describe a player is not nice and frowned upon by me.
I'm glad people are playing their own game instead of the lemmings that followed you yesterday.

Well to be stupid I would have to be wrong which I'm not so the insult lost its fangs.

Well, you are wrong. If you're actually town, you better apologize when I flip

Oh god they said the towny words

Cool I caught up

Time to piss Leetic off lol

I rescind my claim and Leetic is obv town as fuck

Thunal is obv town as fuck.

Delta is obv town as fuck.

Roxy looks awful

Jack looks awful

Pyxxy looks pretty mid

You can say I played bad but there's 24 hours left in this phase and we have 4 people who are basically lock town off this so let's go win a game and you can bitch at me after kk

I rescind my claim

What the actual fuck? You are invited to receive my nomination for "town dunce of the year"

I guarantee, if even a third of the town was as vocal as I was we would be in a much better position

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:35 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:33 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:21 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:00 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:48 pm Cook the goose!

Boil the duck!

Pepper the chicken!

Nice wagon you're joining. What will you do when I flip town?

Probably cry a little.

Maybe eat dinner. EoD is around that time.

Then look at your reads and see if they take me somewhere.

Oh also figure out who started the wagon on you.

Well tbh despite screaming pretty loudly about how bad town is I'm like 99% sure their ending D1 PoE was 2/3rds flipped townies.

Oops.

Yeah, it's not my fault that Scotty refused to self-pres or LP refused to claim when it would have saved them, your point being?

Like, there is only so much I can do on my own, and if town wants to be found they have to put some effort in themselves. I do not regret my LP vote, for it was the best decision I could have made with the available evidence. But at a certain point you have to fault the low posters for what happened