The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 5:21 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 5:20 pm My action doesn't even have a target, so how could my target be manipulated even in the event I was redirected?
Well, of course, you would also be accused of lying about your role in this scenario.

But my role is confirmable?

My action doesn't even have a target, so how could my target be manipulated even in the event I was redirected?

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 5:18 pm HO HO HO MERRY - *coughs in covid* Sorry.
Ho ho ho, merry christmas. I come bearing a gift! Perhaps one of the best of all...

[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

Unfortunately for our boy Leetic, it seems his hostility has come from an evil place... It all makes sense now... That he hath visited MacDougall... and with my all-seeing-eye... did I see him do it...

Bullshit [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:44 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:42 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:39 pm Okie dokie I will add not expressing boredom to my list of things I shouldn't do in mafia
Maybe instead of expressing boredom, actually do something to not make us bored?
I've done quite a bit today

Remove the word "quite" and it'd be closer to being true

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:39 pm Okie dokie I will add not expressing boredom to my list of things I shouldn't do in mafia

Maybe instead of expressing boredom, actually do something to not make us bored?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:36 pm I'm

So

Bored

Maybe that's 'cause you don't say anything other than that

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:24 pm Leetic said his Oracle shit implied no 3p iirc.

I don't believe I ever said that? The wording was "baddies", which I guess could include hostile ITPs like SKs? Another question for LC I guess

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:14 pm An Independent is not out of the question, knowing these hosts.

Numbers-wise, I don't have a host-experience-related answer, but tutuu's numbers are what I believe.

What kind of independent? SK seems unlikely given night actions

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:09 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:07 pm i still think my earlier townread on robyn has merit; they denied it but i think its >rand towny to deny / disagree with a townread. most wolves just smile and nod and accept it. im skimming over their iso, there are some posts that feel a bit hedgy. if they're a wolf it's coz their game is too "clean". but i dont know whos wolf and whos not so i cant determine yet what's "clean" and what not (wrt pushes; stances). i do think we're in a good position and they don't seem demoralized which is a good look. i also think that their posting sprees are towny
Most likely three wolves, in your opinion? Assuming three?

Via my role, it's confirmed to be either two or three. Intuitively three seems much more likely but you know the host better

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:03 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:01 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:35 pm @leetic have you played and done enough in this game to give reads on every player in the game or no? all your acivity so far has just been at start of days
Holiday season has been quite a bit busy for me, and not being able to meaningfully post D1 didn't help manners. I'm typically the kind of player who likes to push in multiple directions rather than sticking to a hard worldview, and right now I'm more interested in the mechanical information which may clear a few players. I'll try to get a reads list of sorts by the end of the phase though, so feel free to yell at me if that doesn't come to pass.
alright, understood

has your time spent with family been good or bad? and do you not drink?

It's been alright. I very rarely drink.

Also

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:57 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:54 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:51 pm Leetic take a breath and come back when you're brain isn't being flooded with adrenaline.
MacDougall take a breath and come back when your (not you are) brain isn't being flooded with alcohol.
That's quite rude.
Tone argument
Nah you're overreacting. I was just suggesting you take a moment to chill and you called me drunk lol. You really do need to chill.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:06 pm Leetic you intoxicated?

Tu quoque, I know, but still hilarious.

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:35 pm @leetic have you played and done enough in this game to give reads on every player in the game or no? all your acivity so far has just been at start of days

Holiday season has been quite a bit busy for me, and not being able to meaningfully post D1 didn't help manners. I'm typically the kind of player who likes to push in multiple directions rather than sticking to a hard worldview, and right now I'm more interested in the mechanical information which may clear a few players. I'll try to get a reads list of sorts by the end of the phase though, so feel free to yell at me if that doesn't come to pass.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:55 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:11 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:10 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:06 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:56 pm

I don't think that your reflexive roleblock would extend to powers not used on you. As in, the silence would be blocked, but the Oracle wouldn't.
Surely this whole idea that Oracle was roleblocked falls apart at the part where nobody would prioritise roleblocking an Oracle?

Like take all the silence and Mac part away. Doesn't it make more sense he's just lying about being roleblocked to cover for the fact he lied about the role in the first place?
That is a possibility, but the Oracle SEEMS to have been blocked today. And if "the real Oracle" is a Town role, then they'd have called Leetic out long ago, and certainly today. I don't think he's lying about the role UNLESS it is just that is teammate is the role (and it would follow that THEY were blocked).

BUT

The town roleblocker is dead. So it's likely that a Wolf blocked the Oracle, evidenced in the Host post.

That is extremely unlikely for a Wolf to choose. So my best theory is that the busdriver messed with the Wolf blocker.

WHICH MEANS that the busdriver should get their ass out here and let us know who the damn wolf is that they messed with.

But that hasn't happened. No, wait. Scotty is the busdriver. That fits with his trickle of info so far. Scotty busdrove me on N0, and I never targeted you, Mac? But I was still blocked.

I wish I had a good conclusion, but these are relevant thoughts anyway.
That makes sense actually. If Abby's claim is real, she probably targeted me (or the real post restrictor did so to make it look like they were Abby). That would mean that the real blocked person was Scotty, and I guess redirecting has a higher priority over roleblocking?
She said she targeted Tutuu.
Assuming her claim is real. If it isn't, I am a viable target for the real post restrictor pretending to be Abby. Scotty should just confirm if him + me was the bus drive though.
I wouldn't touch you with a thirty nine and a half foot pole

So I'll take that as you didn't target me at all?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:45 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:42 pm idk what leetic's actual worldview is, but my thread comprehension is quite low, does anyone?
"I have no idea who is mafia except everyone who suspects me or disagrees with me is a wolf and/or asshole" seems to summarise it.

Cope

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:52 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:09 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:05 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:59 pm

Surely this whole idea that Oracle was roleblocked falls apart at the part where nobody would prioritise roleblocking an Oracle?

Like take all the silence and Mac part away. Doesn't it make more sense he's just lying about being roleblocked to cover for the fact he lied about the role in the first place?
I don't know. If you can use the fact that the Oracle was roleblocked to try to mislynch the Oracle, maybe you would roleblock the Oracle as a wolf? Furthermore, all this is WIFOM and does not even remotely counter the hard mechanical evidence on my side
Just for the record as an aside are you capable of withstanding accusations in a mafia game without resorting to vitriol and/or spark and/or belittling? Cuz if the answer is no I'll just stop doing it cuz I value my emotional state over the outcome of a mafia game.

Just want to point out you've been hostile and rude to me all game long and I've largely handled it with good faith but ... I can only exercise grace to a point.
If you think blatant bad-faith misinterpretations of my arguments are "nice", then go ahead. I at least was responding to things that you were actually saying
I didn't say nice but also your calling me lame and shit came well beforehand.

I'm literally over it. Like I'm just gonna stop talking to you because your bothering me.
If you think that "lame" is too much for you, maybe you shouldn't be playing mafia. Also wrong "your" again, but I will admit that's being petty
You could always like try listening to people who tell you that you are upsetting them and be a decent human being and stop instead of blaming every person you upset and never looking inwards but that's just my two cents

The self-awareness here is really something

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:26 pm mmm we’re gonna save that idea it’s good to waste now

anyway leetic did you ever answer my question asking for yiur read on me?

My vote should be answer enough

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:21 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:20 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:09 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:05 pm

Just for the record as an aside are you capable of withstanding accusations in a mafia game without resorting to vitriol and/or spark and/or belittling? Cuz if the answer is no I'll just stop doing it cuz I value my emotional state over the outcome of a mafia game.

Just want to point out you've been hostile and rude to me all game long and I've largely handled it with good faith but ... I can only exercise grace to a point.
If you think blatant bad-faith misinterpretations of my arguments are "nice", then go ahead. I at least was responding to things that you were actually saying
I didn't say nice but also your calling me lame and shit came well beforehand.

I'm literally over it. Like I'm just gonna stop talking to you because your bothering me.
If you think that "lame" is too much for you, maybe you shouldn't be playing mafia. Also wrong "your" again, but I will admit that's being petty
if you cannot see that making a post like this is wolf-siding, ignoring that it’s a deliberate misrepresentation of the interaction between you and mac, god help your soul, or whatever scotty is going on about
Lame [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
honestly self reflect for once

I’m gonna make a chat bot from your mafia posts, learn how to host FM, and specifically curse you to talk with yourself for a day phase

I'm not the wolf here

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:11 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:10 pm if mac and lc are both town i dont get what happened to the nk unless scotty busdrove it around

if mac/lc/rondo/scotty are all 4 town i dont think mafia purposefully targets mac for the kill
They didn't. They simply targeted LC or Rondo who had protection and failed.

Why are you still voting LC if you believe that?

Feels like either an attempt at pocketing or hiding behind Mac, and either way, I don't like it

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:20 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:09 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:05 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:59 pm

Surely this whole idea that Oracle was roleblocked falls apart at the part where nobody would prioritise roleblocking an Oracle?

Like take all the silence and Mac part away. Doesn't it make more sense he's just lying about being roleblocked to cover for the fact he lied about the role in the first place?
I don't know. If you can use the fact that the Oracle was roleblocked to try to mislynch the Oracle, maybe you would roleblock the Oracle as a wolf? Furthermore, all this is WIFOM and does not even remotely counter the hard mechanical evidence on my side
Just for the record as an aside are you capable of withstanding accusations in a mafia game without resorting to vitriol and/or spark and/or belittling? Cuz if the answer is no I'll just stop doing it cuz I value my emotional state over the outcome of a mafia game.

Just want to point out you've been hostile and rude to me all game long and I've largely handled it with good faith but ... I can only exercise grace to a point.
If you think blatant bad-faith misinterpretations of my arguments are "nice", then go ahead. I at least was responding to things that you were actually saying
I didn't say nice but also your calling me lame and shit came well beforehand.

I'm literally over it. Like I'm just gonna stop talking to you because your bothering me.
If you think that "lame" is too much for you, maybe you shouldn't be playing mafia. Also wrong "your" again, but I will admit that's being petty
if you cannot see that making a post like this is wolf-siding, ignoring that it’s a deliberate misrepresentation of the interaction between you and mac, god help your soul, or whatever scotty is going on about

Lame [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:13 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:22 pm Stuff got switched around eh.

That's weird.

LC did you get a check?
I defs did not target Scotty so
What child is this, who, laid to rest
On Mary's lap, is sleeping?

If the bus drive was between me and you, say "Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer". If it was between me and someone else, say "Frosty the Snowman". If it was between two other people, say "Santa Claus is coming to town". If you aren't the bus driver at all, say "you're a mean one, Mr. Grinch"

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:11 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:10 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:06 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:51 pm

LOL I was proud when I got it as "Can't Fucking Tell Who's Right".
I was targeted and successfully roleblocked someone.

Silence was prevented as per host.

Leetic was roleblocked.

I think at least exploring this was a reasonable path for me to take no? I can't be expected going in to account for every piece of information Leetic has stated in his defense.

I think the omgus and vitriol hurled back at me is of the unreasonable amount given this.
I don't think that your reflexive roleblock would extend to powers not used on you. As in, the silence would be blocked, but the Oracle wouldn't.
Surely this whole idea that Oracle was roleblocked falls apart at the part where nobody would prioritise roleblocking an Oracle?

Like take all the silence and Mac part away. Doesn't it make more sense he's just lying about being roleblocked to cover for the fact he lied about the role in the first place?
That is a possibility, but the Oracle SEEMS to have been blocked today. And if "the real Oracle" is a Town role, then they'd have called Leetic out long ago, and certainly today. I don't think he's lying about the role UNLESS it is just that is teammate is the role (and it would follow that THEY were blocked).

BUT

The town roleblocker is dead. So it's likely that a Wolf blocked the Oracle, evidenced in the Host post.

That is extremely unlikely for a Wolf to choose. So my best theory is that the busdriver messed with the Wolf blocker.

WHICH MEANS that the busdriver should get their ass out here and let us know who the damn wolf is that they messed with.

But that hasn't happened. No, wait. Scotty is the busdriver. That fits with his trickle of info so far. Scotty busdrove me on N0, and I never targeted you, Mac? But I was still blocked.

I wish I had a good conclusion, but these are relevant thoughts anyway.
That makes sense actually. If Abby's claim is real, she probably targeted me (or the real post restrictor did so to make it look like they were Abby). That would mean that the real blocked person was Scotty, and I guess redirecting has a higher priority over roleblocking?
She said she targeted Tutuu.

Assuming her claim is real. If it isn't, I am a viable target for the real post restrictor pretending to be Abby. Scotty should just confirm if him + me was the bus drive though.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:09 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:05 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:54 pm

I was targeted and successfully roleblocked someone.

Silence was prevented as per host.

Leetic was roleblocked.

I think at least exploring this was a reasonable path for me to take no? I can't be expected going in to account for every piece of information Leetic has stated in his defense.

I think the omgus and vitriol hurled back at me is of the unreasonable amount given this.
I don't think that your reflexive roleblock would extend to powers not used on you. As in, the silence would be blocked, but the Oracle wouldn't.
Surely this whole idea that Oracle was roleblocked falls apart at the part where nobody would prioritise roleblocking an Oracle?

Like take all the silence and Mac part away. Doesn't it make more sense he's just lying about being roleblocked to cover for the fact he lied about the role in the first place?
I don't know. If you can use the fact that the Oracle was roleblocked to try to mislynch the Oracle, maybe you would roleblock the Oracle as a wolf? Furthermore, all this is WIFOM and does not even remotely counter the hard mechanical evidence on my side
Just for the record as an aside are you capable of withstanding accusations in a mafia game without resorting to vitriol and/or spark and/or belittling? Cuz if the answer is no I'll just stop doing it cuz I value my emotional state over the outcome of a mafia game.

Just want to point out you've been hostile and rude to me all game long and I've largely handled it with good faith but ... I can only exercise grace to a point.
If you think blatant bad-faith misinterpretations of my arguments are "nice", then go ahead. I at least was responding to things that you were actually saying
I didn't say nice but also your calling me lame and shit came well beforehand.

I'm literally over it. Like I'm just gonna stop talking to you because your bothering me.

If you think that "lame" is too much for you, maybe you shouldn't be playing mafia. Also wrong "your" again, but I will admit that's being petty

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:06 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:51 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:48 pm

What
caught for the wrong reasons
LOL I was proud when I got it as "Can't Fucking Tell Who's Right".
I was targeted and successfully roleblocked someone.

Silence was prevented as per host.

Leetic was roleblocked.

I think at least exploring this was a reasonable path for me to take no? I can't be expected going in to account for every piece of information Leetic has stated in his defense.

I think the omgus and vitriol hurled back at me is of the unreasonable amount given this.
I don't think that your reflexive roleblock would extend to powers not used on you. As in, the silence would be blocked, but the Oracle wouldn't.
Surely this whole idea that Oracle was roleblocked falls apart at the part where nobody would prioritise roleblocking an Oracle?

Like take all the silence and Mac part away. Doesn't it make more sense he's just lying about being roleblocked to cover for the fact he lied about the role in the first place?
That is a possibility, but the Oracle SEEMS to have been blocked today. And if "the real Oracle" is a Town role, then they'd have called Leetic out long ago, and certainly today. I don't think he's lying about the role UNLESS it is just that is teammate is the role (and it would follow that THEY were blocked).

BUT

The town roleblocker is dead. So it's likely that a Wolf blocked the Oracle, evidenced in the Host post.

That is extremely unlikely for a Wolf to choose. So my best theory is that the busdriver messed with the Wolf blocker.

WHICH MEANS that the busdriver should get their ass out here and let us know who the damn wolf is that they messed with.

But that hasn't happened. No, wait. Scotty is the busdriver. That fits with his trickle of info so far. Scotty busdrove me on N0, and I never targeted you, Mac? But I was still blocked.

I wish I had a good conclusion, but these are relevant thoughts anyway.

That makes sense actually. If Abby's claim is real, she probably targeted me (or the real post restrictor did so to make it look like they were Abby). That would mean that the real blocked person was Scotty, and I guess redirecting has a higher priority over roleblocking?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:05 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:51 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:49 pm

caught for the wrong reasons
LOL I was proud when I got it as "Can't Fucking Tell Who's Right".
I was targeted and successfully roleblocked someone.

Silence was prevented as per host.

Leetic was roleblocked.

I think at least exploring this was a reasonable path for me to take no? I can't be expected going in to account for every piece of information Leetic has stated in his defense.

I think the omgus and vitriol hurled back at me is of the unreasonable amount given this.
I don't think that your reflexive roleblock would extend to powers not used on you. As in, the silence would be blocked, but the Oracle wouldn't.
Surely this whole idea that Oracle was roleblocked falls apart at the part where nobody would prioritise roleblocking an Oracle?

Like take all the silence and Mac part away. Doesn't it make more sense he's just lying about being roleblocked to cover for the fact he lied about the role in the first place?
I don't know. If you can use the fact that the Oracle was roleblocked to try to mislynch the Oracle, maybe you would roleblock the Oracle as a wolf? Furthermore, all this is WIFOM and does not even remotely counter the hard mechanical evidence on my side
Just for the record as an aside are you capable of withstanding accusations in a mafia game without resorting to vitriol and/or spark and/or belittling? Cuz if the answer is no I'll just stop doing it cuz I value my emotional state over the outcome of a mafia game.

Just want to point out you've been hostile and rude to me all game long and I've largely handled it with good faith but ... I can only exercise grace to a point.

If you think blatant bad-faith misinterpretations of my arguments are "nice", then go ahead. I at least was responding to things that you were actually saying

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:03 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 1:01 pm

Francis heard "1 player was found to be town".

Scotty has been silenced they cannot post or vote.

falcon was killed.

Stuff was switched but had zero bearing.

Several missed the deadline.

Deadline holiday's fault.

sig was: Russ Griswold blocker - block a player nightly, you are town.
@leetic fyi LC has redacted his claim as having a lie detector check on Rondo not an actual green check so I'm not sure the host would frame a truth as "1 player was found to be town" in that scenario?

If LC was telling the truth, the lie detector check effectively confirms RDB as town anyway. I'd consider it confirmation but I don't know what the hosts would think

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:04 pm With 11 players alive, worst case scenario it's 8-3 and best case it's 9-2. It's probably safe to assume we have only two mislynches to play around with.

Although this ignores potential ITPs, but whatever. A hostile ITP at the very least seems unlikely at this point

With 11 players alive, worst case scenario it's 8-3 and best case it's 9-2. It's probably safe to assume we have only two mislynches to play around with.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:59 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:51 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:48 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:48 pm is the acronym CFTWR?
What
caught for the wrong reasons
LOL I was proud when I got it as "Can't Fucking Tell Who's Right".
I was targeted and successfully roleblocked someone.

Silence was prevented as per host.

Leetic was roleblocked.

I think at least exploring this was a reasonable path for me to take no? I can't be expected going in to account for every piece of information Leetic has stated in his defense.

I think the omgus and vitriol hurled back at me is of the unreasonable amount given this.
I don't think that your reflexive roleblock would extend to powers not used on you. As in, the silence would be blocked, but the Oracle wouldn't.
Surely this whole idea that Oracle was roleblocked falls apart at the part where nobody would prioritise roleblocking an Oracle?

Like take all the silence and Mac part away. Doesn't it make more sense he's just lying about being roleblocked to cover for the fact he lied about the role in the first place?

I don't know. If you can use the fact that the Oracle was roleblocked to try to mislynch the Oracle, maybe you would roleblock the Oracle as a wolf? Furthermore, all this is WIFOM and does not even remotely counter the hard mechanical evidence on my side

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:57 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:54 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:51 pm Leetic take a breath and come back when you're brain isn't being flooded with adrenaline.
MacDougall take a breath and come back when your (not you are) brain isn't being flooded with alcohol.
That's quite rude.
Tone argument
Nah you're overreacting. I was just suggesting you take a moment to chill and you called me drunk lol. You really do need to chill.

Maybe you'd realize how bogus this case is if you could think straight. Have you even read the SoD post? You've never answered as such

My power failing is, at the very least, confirmed. How could that happen to me as a wolf when the town blocker is dead and my ability doesn't target anyone? Meanwhile, Mac could roleblock people regardless of whether he's town or not

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:54 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:51 pm Leetic take a breath and come back when you're brain isn't being flooded with adrenaline.
MacDougall take a breath and come back when your (not you are) brain isn't being flooded with alcohol.
That's quite rude.

Tone argument

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:51 pm Leetic take a breath and come back when you're brain isn't being flooded with adrenaline.

MacDougall take a breath and come back when your (not you are) brain isn't being flooded with alcohol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:51 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:49 pm I don't comprehend how you could think I've arrived at this station on the train of thought as mafia. I'm blatantly town with confirmation I was blocked. That should be supremely obvious even if my logic isn't optimal.
I'm the one with confirmation I was blocked. The hell are you even saying?
Now who is ignoring mechanical information.

Vous

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:49 pm I don't comprehend how you could think I've arrived at this station on the train of thought as mafia. I'm blatantly town with confirmation I was blocked. That should be supremely obvious even if my logic isn't optimal.

I'm the one with confirmation I was blocked. The hell are you even saying?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:48 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:46 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:46 pm Also love that you didn't respond to any of my arguments
Lame.
Yes, you not responding was lame
No, you voting me for blatant town solving is lame.

Since when were bad-faith interpretations and willful ignorance of mechanical information "blatant town solving"?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:46 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:46 pm Also love that you didn't respond to any of my arguments
Lame.

Yes, you not responding was lame

Also love that you didn't respond to any of my arguments

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:43 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:38 pm "If I was Mafia silencer and failed what other reason can there be for no silence d1?"

I wasn't targeted n0 in retrospect. I had no mod confirmation until today so n2 is the first night I was actually targeted by anyone in this game.

You having been roleblocked by your own admission on n2 but your role still working negates the argument that your d1 host message would have failed if you were stopped n0.

Therefore the lack of day 1 silence can be explained via a few means.

1. You were roleblocked by someone else in the act of targeting someone else.
2. The silence role was not usable on n0 (which makes sense cuz imagine being silenced on day 1 like...)
3. The silence is an odd night mafia ability not an even night one.
4. The silence is part of a set of joat abilities ie. has to be selected.
5. The silence is not a mafia role at all and you aren't the silencer and reality is an illusion or some other this whole thing is a mistake based argument.

What's more important to me is you confirming you were blocked while having a role that mafia shouldnt prioritise blocking, me knowing I was targeted and you not being candid about having not targeted me.
What do you mean my role was "still working"? Have you even read the SoD post?

1. If true, my ability would've failed N0 yet it worked.
2. The hosts explicitly said that only killing actions weren't usable N0.
3. If true, me being roleblocked tonight has absolutely no bearing on me being the potential silencer, as there would have been no silence regardless.
4. See number 3.
5. Was it really that hard?

I'm honestly wondering if town would really be this dense
Trust me I've been dealing with your tunneling all game so if you are town you should know the answer to that through self reflection.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

How's that for some "self-reflection"

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:38 pm "If I was Mafia silencer and failed what other reason can there be for no silence d1?"

I wasn't targeted n0 in retrospect. I had no mod confirmation until today so n2 is the first night I was actually targeted by anyone in this game.

You having been roleblocked by your own admission on n2 but your role still working negates the argument that your d1 host message would have failed if you were stopped n0.

Therefore the lack of day 1 silence can be explained via a few means.

1. You were roleblocked by someone else in the act of targeting someone else.
2. The silence role was not usable on n0 (which makes sense cuz imagine being silenced on day 1 like...)
3. The silence is an odd night mafia ability not an even night one.
4. The silence is part of a set of joat abilities ie. has to be selected.
5. The silence is not a mafia role at all and you aren't the silencer and reality is an illusion or some other this whole thing is a mistake based argument.

What's more important to me is you confirming you were blocked while having a role that mafia shouldnt prioritise blocking, me knowing I was targeted and you not being candid about having not targeted me.

What do you mean my role was "still working"? Have you even read the SoD post?

1. If true, my ability would've failed N0 yet it worked.
2. The hosts explicitly said that only killing actions weren't usable N0.
3. If true, me being roleblocked tonight has absolutely no bearing on me being the potential silencer, as there would have been no silence regardless.
4. See number 3.
5. Was it really that hard?

I'm honestly wondering if town would really be this dense

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:34 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:23 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:22 pm Is it possible mafia has a like announcement modifying role like they can make the host passively confirm things that aren't true?
"Town has no BTSC" and "One person was found to be town" seem like hyper-specific things to "confirm" if it's all fake
Or genius? Imagine: "Errrr.... I really hate to say this, but I'm Town and I have BTSC. I couldn't watch you go down the wrong path with the assumpions..."

LOL probably a big whatever, but it tickled me.

I'd have to assume no masons, neighborizers, or lovers in a closed setup. Why would my first lie be something that can be confirmed false?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:33 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:30 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:28 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:27 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:24 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:22 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:20 pm

You targeted Mac. Is there a better target for Wolves to silence?
If I was roleblocked N0, my Oracle ability would have been blocked as well, but it wasn't

Also, why would I try to silence Mac again after it failed? Wouldn't wolf!me find it more fruitful to silence you so you couldn't post any investigative results?
But you were roleblocked n2 and it worked. So why would you think it'd fail n0 if you were roleblocked?

And who said you tried to silence me the first time?

And LC was targeted with the NK imo.
If I didn't try to silence you, then why was there no silence D1? The only explanation would be me intentionally withholding my shot, but why would I not use such a powerful role as a wolf? Further, my role is 100% confirmable and it would be a mistake to lynch me today when we can get a larger sample size of information.
So you did try to silence me on n0? That seems to be what you're implying.
I'm not the fucking silencer, which should be obvious with just a slight application of Occam's razor. I'm just pointing out the obvious holes in logic of assuming I am when my ability is 100% confirmable
Host confirms no silence.
You confirm you were roleblocked.
I confirm I was targeted and successfully blocked someone.
Your role is a non threatening passive so you shouldn't be a mafia roleblock target.

Occam's razor doesn't say what you think it does. It says you're mafia silencer.

I can end up confirming things, not exactly a role that doesn't threaten mafia. Plus, you are using it to build a case on me, is it hard to see a motive here? Plus, my roleblock (or at least my ability failing) is effectively confirmed in the SoD post, while it wasn't in the other two, including D1 where there was no silence. It's only bad-faith interpretations of my posts and willful ignorance of mechanical information that can lead you to that interpretation.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:31 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:26 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:25 pm The speed of that double denial
He more or less just admitted to targeting me with silence on n0 as well mind you. Which was not previously confirmed.
I just feel like... okay this is dumb I think but I've been thinking on it and every defense seems to be well the mod said blah and I'm wondering if the reason they have these mod baked defenses is a role
I know what you were thinking.

Ultimately he's saying.

"If I was Mafia silencer that means I targeted you on n0 and failed because what other reason can there be for no silence on d1. But I successfully used my role on day 1 so I was clearly not roleblocked because otherwise it'd have failed, but I was roleblocked n2 and my role worked."

So he's contradicted himself anyway because his own self defense argument is defeated by his own claim to have been roleblocked n2 with his role having worked.

He's hiding behind information advantage. I'd say the implication is more likely something like the silence is a factional action that can be carried or maybe even the mod poster is a factional.

Look at the fucking SoD update. It fucking basically confirms I was roleblockefd. Now look at the other two SoD updates. This isn't hard to understand.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:26 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:25 pm The speed of that double denial
He more or less just admitted to targeting me with silence on n0 as well mind you. Which was not previously confirmed.
I just feel like... okay this is dumb I think but I've been thinking on it and every defense seems to be well the mod said blah and I'm wondering if the reason they have these mod baked defenses is a role

My role is fucking mod-confirmed, why would I not use the strongest defenses available to me? You're ignoring basic mechanical info to try to build a case on me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:28 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:27 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:24 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:22 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:20 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:17 pm

You can be both roles. Or you can be not Oracle but a mafia teammate might be.
If I'm really the silencer, how come there was no silence D1? My role succeeded, as can be confirmed by the mod post
You targeted Mac. Is there a better target for Wolves to silence?
If I was roleblocked N0, my Oracle ability would have been blocked as well, but it wasn't

Also, why would I try to silence Mac again after it failed? Wouldn't wolf!me find it more fruitful to silence you so you couldn't post any investigative results?
But you were roleblocked n2 and it worked. So why would you think it'd fail n0 if you were roleblocked?

And who said you tried to silence me the first time?

And LC was targeted with the NK imo.
If I didn't try to silence you, then why was there no silence D1? The only explanation would be me intentionally withholding my shot, but why would I not use such a powerful role as a wolf? Further, my role is 100% confirmable and it would be a mistake to lynch me today when we can get a larger sample size of information.
So you did try to silence me on n0? That seems to be what you're implying.

I'm not the fucking silencer, which should be obvious with just a slight application of Occam's razor. I'm just pointing out the obvious holes in logic of assuming I am when my ability is 100% confirmable

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:26 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:25 pm The speed of that double denial
He more or less just admitted to targeting me with silence on n0 as well mind you. Which was not previously confirmed.

That was a response to LC suggesting that the reason there was no silence D1 is because I tried to target you. At this point, I think you're intentionally reading my posts in bad faith.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:24 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:22 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:20 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:17 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:14 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:13 pm Leetic has a passive role that I doubt wolves would roleblock.

I have a reflexive roleblocker.

Leetic was roleblocked.

Nobody was silenced (host confirmed no less).

...

Leetic probably targeted me with silence.

Therefore Leetic is unclaimed silencer who likes silencing townies and is mafia.
If that's true how was I not CC'd? It can't be that falcon is the Oracle, as the role is mentioned in the host posts after his death
You can be both roles. Or you can be not Oracle but a mafia teammate might be.
If I'm really the silencer, how come there was no silence D1? My role succeeded, as can be confirmed by the mod post
You targeted Mac. Is there a better target for Wolves to silence?
If I was roleblocked N0, my Oracle ability would have been blocked as well, but it wasn't

Also, why would I try to silence Mac again after it failed? Wouldn't wolf!me find it more fruitful to silence you so you couldn't post any investigative results?
But you were roleblocked n2 and it worked. So why would you think it'd fail n0 if you were roleblocked?

And who said you tried to silence me the first time?

And LC was targeted with the NK imo.

If I didn't try to silence you, then why was there no silence D1? The only explanation would be me intentionally withholding my shot, but why would I not use such a powerful role as a wolf? Further, my role is 100% confirmable and it would be a mistake to lynch me today when we can get a larger sample size of information.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:22 pm Is it possible mafia has a like announcement modifying role like they can make the host passively confirm things that aren't true?

"Town has no BTSC" and "One person was found to be town" seem like hyper-specific things to "confirm" if it's all fake

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:20 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:17 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:14 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:13 pm Leetic has a passive role that I doubt wolves would roleblock.

I have a reflexive roleblocker.

Leetic was roleblocked.

Nobody was silenced (host confirmed no less).

...

Leetic probably targeted me with silence.

Therefore Leetic is unclaimed silencer who likes silencing townies and is mafia.
If that's true how was I not CC'd? It can't be that falcon is the Oracle, as the role is mentioned in the host posts after his death
You can be both roles. Or you can be not Oracle but a mafia teammate might be.
If I'm really the silencer, how come there was no silence D1? My role succeeded, as can be confirmed by the mod post
You targeted Mac. Is there a better target for Wolves to silence?

If I was roleblocked N0, my Oracle ability would have been blocked as well, but it wasn't

Also, why would I try to silence Mac again after it failed? Wouldn't wolf!me find it more fruitful to silence you so you couldn't post any investigative results?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:17 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:14 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:13 pm Leetic has a passive role that I doubt wolves would roleblock.

I have a reflexive roleblocker.

Leetic was roleblocked.

Nobody was silenced (host confirmed no less).

...

Leetic probably targeted me with silence.

Therefore Leetic is unclaimed silencer who likes silencing townies and is mafia.
If that's true how was I not CC'd? It can't be that falcon is the Oracle, as the role is mentioned in the host posts after his death
You can be both roles. Or you can be not Oracle but a mafia teammate might be.

If I'm really the silencer, how come there was no silence D1? My role succeeded, as can be confirmed by the mod post

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