The Syndicate

I mean, it has to be either LC or spf who did it, unless nutella or Dyslexicon are lying

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:57 pm I was going to write my own town core but it's so disappointing I am not going to finish it

@ilario play more so I can include you

ilario said he's busy with exams so he won't be around much this phase

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:39 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:38 pm Also nutella is still trying to disintegrate the town core

i knew you would say this lol

i'm not trying to get anyone to vote marmot today or anything i'm just putting the thought out there for late game

how many times do i have to say i still want to focus on poe first

The PoE is stretched so thin that scum needs votes outside of it to win. Plus you're mainly talking about how people might be wolves without actually putting out any evidence that they are wolves

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:39 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:36 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:33 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:46 am Hmm.. read Leetic's wall post. I like it. I skimmed lightly though JJJ's iso before making the MR shot decision. On that ISO alone I was torn between Nutella, Ifaar as a 50/50 or just shoot MR who he seemed to be waffley on. I just the latter, but can be down with a Nutella flip.

Not to be all last week, but did you not ISO Radish?

You still haven't claimed

Do it now

I didn't know we were apparently doing a mass claim. Your whole attitude makes me want to not do it lol.

I'm a message writer. I haven't used my role at all because it's essentially useless. Except if I were mafia it would also work as a roleblock.

That is something that can at least be confirmed, you should have used it

@Lime Coke, are you the one who roleblocked nutella? I have a feeling this is the case

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:58 pm @leetic What inspired you to dig up an old Jimmay game on D1?

I expected wolf Jay to be awesome like in that game and not lame like in this game]

What inspired you to stay on a no vote wagon?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:02 pm To keep this information organized:

Player - Claim
anne - Tracker (kind of)
DrWilgy - 1x Vig
Dyslexicon - Messenger/Roleblocker
iaafr - Backup Loyal Dayvig, was Vanilla
ilario/leetic - Masons/Pseudo-Hydra
Lime Coke - ???
Marmot - Settles ties
nutella - Vanilla Cop
Esooa - Fruit Vendor
staypositivefriend - ???

Feel free to update this when more information comes out

Updated

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:12 pm [VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

I'm not going to vote for cleared town but I still fucking hate self-voting

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:08 pm [VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

made some big world view post day 2 and a day later or something his thoughts were "the same as this"

probs self aware of himself enough to do the move off the wolf wagon at least a bit

makes posts like "miss you <3" to dizzy but don't care me (biggest offence)

alexa death

He's cleared town you silly-billy

Also nutella is still trying to disintegrate the town core

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:33 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:46 am Hmm.. read Leetic's wall post. I like it. I skimmed lightly though JJJ's iso before making the MR shot decision. On that ISO alone I was torn between Nutella, Ifaar as a 50/50 or just shoot MR who he seemed to be waffley on. I just the latter, but can be down with a Nutella flip.

Not to be all last week, but did you not ISO Radish?

You still haven't claimed

Do it now

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:19 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:15 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:11 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:05 pm Like giving credit for votes that can easily be buses will not get you anywhere in many games. Idk what the vote count was when he voted/how viable naa was but he needed to do what he thought would pay off.

Why would scum bus in that situation though when they didn't need to? You haven't even considered that, and your insistence on a wagon that was wolfy both times is alarming.

Jay may have felt he needed to, is my point. He may have grasped onto whatever he thought would regain him some good graces in the thread if he survived, and would distance him from anne. You should never assume what was going on in a wolf's mind bc we don't know every factor or motive. Anne's just wolfy so I will continue to not naively clear her thank you for your time.

Jay could have viably gone after Axehole and no one would blame him, and his posts seemed comfortable with the thread state. If he was trying a bus he would have been a lot more forceful on anne but his posts were only lamely saying that he didn't really care who in anne/MR/Wilgy/Axehole died, only anne was slightly preferred, like if they were all town and he didn't care which was misvoted. He could not have predicted how rapidly the thread turned against him so there's no need to use anne for towncred. You're not taking into account information after the flips and just trying to do the same thing as last phase, which is scummy.

Maybe at the time jay voted anne saw her wagon building up and was demotivated and just told her teammates to bus her. We don't know. We can't know. There is hidden information, that's part of the game. The information available to us does not sell me on anne being town, we just disagree on that

Why would he be demotivated when the Wilgy and Axehole wagons were still strong? Plus, a large part of the reason why the anne wagon built up was because Jay was on it

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:17 pm It's clear that everything about the way you and I play mafia is completely opposing and it's impossible to communicate anything. Just know that I have a pretty high accuracy rate on the type of read ive had on anne this game netting scum. Could be wrong too but everyone else is literally just townier except maybe esooa and wilgy. Let's just go with the one bit of common ground we have today and flip esooa.

I mean, my way has had been more effective in the game thus far, but we'll see

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:11 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:05 pm Like giving credit for votes that can easily be buses will not get you anywhere in many games. Idk what the vote count was when he voted/how viable naa was but he needed to do what he thought would pay off.

Why would scum bus in that situation though when they didn't need to? You haven't even considered that, and your insistence on a wagon that was wolfy both times is alarming.

Jay may have felt he needed to, is my point. He may have grasped onto whatever he thought would regain him some good graces in the thread if he survived, and would distance him from anne. You should never assume what was going on in a wolf's mind bc we don't know every factor or motive. Anne's just wolfy so I will continue to not naively clear her thank you for your time.

Jay could have viably gone after Axehole and no one would blame him, and his posts seemed comfortable with the thread state. If he was trying a bus he would have been a lot more forceful on anne but his posts were only lamely saying that he didn't really care who in anne/MR/Wilgy/Axehole died, only anne was slightly preferred, like if they were all town and he didn't care which was misvoted. He could not have predicted how rapidly the thread turned against him so there's no need to use anne for towncred. You're not taking into account information after the flips and just trying to do the same thing as last phase, which is scummy.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:05 pm Like giving credit for votes that can easily be buses will not get you anywhere in many games. Idk what the vote count was when he voted/how viable naa was but he needed to do what he thought would pay off.

Why would scum bus in that situation though when they didn't need to? You haven't even considered that, and your insistence on a wagon that was wolfy both times is alarming.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:58 pm Yeah just is obv tmi that we're both town.

Anyway. I don't have the balls to vote anne a third time but iaafr is right her iso just entirely sucks and you guys really should not be clearing her for being the cw. It's absolutely possible that we were just dunking so hard on the mafia that we had w/w wagons twice (especially note that jay/mac/anne/sloon were all absent eod1 so yes it can be mostly town that voted her). Also show dead alexa some respect on her read. I think we flip esooa today but people treating anne as clear are just way off base imo

Why are you still suspecting Anne, Axehole flipped town and JJJ would have almost certainly pushed that over anne D1

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:00 am I'm selfishly regretting not voting Mac even though I pretty much knew all game that he was scum, even D1 without really reading lol. But nice job anyway, who needs me. I don't.

Anyways, I'll have time to get even more into the game this evening as I don't have any plans. So I'll be around. Also not as stressed about being PoEed if that is the case anymore, since two mafia are down. If we assume 4 mafia, which I think we are? I'll try my best to roll my eyes silently and it will probably be a better experience for me.

You. Claim. Now.

Coloring wolf salads for reference

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:38 pm Town

falcon
iaafr
Lime coke
Nutella

Prob town but weh

Jay
spf
Marmot
wilgy
Axe

Haven't seen them post

Anne

Kill in

Dyslexicon
Cassandra
leetic

if I've missed anyone they're null too I guess

you can flip me now

*farts*

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:56 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:53 pm JJJ. who do you scumread tbh?

Active suspicion is limited. I don’t trust Nanook. I am vacant of cause to town read Anne, MR, Sloonei, Wilgy

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:20 pm @falcon45ca I have collected a solid number of town reads and posted them. I may not have posted the generic ~list~ but it’s in the plans once I can dedicate some time to review. For the moment here are town reads in no particular order:

leetic/ilario
cassandralexa
nutella
iaafr
Lime Coke
staypositivefriend

I feel pretty good about this group. There are some others I might consider e.g. Marmot. I’ll see.

Flipped or cleared town
People I have very strong reason to townread
Myself/ilario (town, but see as you wish)
Flipped wolves
Others

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:07 pm I'm a fruit vendor but my fruit is phenomona

Did anyone receive fruit?

I'm sorry, but if you're self-voting it means you want to die, and I would be happy to oblige that request

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:57 pm @leetic

You're dying today

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:23 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:23 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:22 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:21 pm if ur town then who's mafia, esooa?

NAA

You catch on quickly

you're SO fuckign annoying lmaop

I wolf read him over 24 hours ago????????????

go away

Good to know you're still wolf reading flipped town

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:22 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:21 pm if ur town then who's mafia, esooa?

NAA

You catch on quickly

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:20 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:20 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:18 pm back to killing floor

I want you to claim, right now, unless you'd like to be voted to oblivion.

oooh boo hoo I haven't claimed my NAI role

Most people have at this point. Why do you want to remain an exception? Also, why the fuck did you still have a self-vote at EoD?

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:18 pm back to killing floor

I want you to claim, right now, unless you'd like to be voted to oblivion.

Updated trustfall:

anne: Twice the counterwagon to flipped scum
DrWilgy: On Mac at EoD2, some decent effort
Dyslexicon: Mac was the lone vote on Dyslexicon at EoD1 and Axehole at EoD2, and the latter flipped town
Esooa: Seemed unfamiliar with game mechanics when she first posted, she may have been more caught up if she was in wolfchat
iaafr: Mechanically cleared town
ilario: Is mod confirmed town to me
Lime Coke: Played a key role in flipping two wolves, progression is very similar to mine, ilario's, and flipped town cassandra
Marmot: Broke the tie in favor of voting out scum
nutella: Some of her EoD posts concerning iaafr would look weird if anne flips town, which seems likely
staypositivefriend: Did vote for two wolves at EoD

Out of everyone, only Esooa and nutella have not given me any more reasons to believe they're town since the last trustfall

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:07 pm Anne/esooa should not be ruled out precisely because that team prefers Mac go down to either of them by a lot, and if Mac is always going down before endgame, both need cred there

It'd be one thing if it happened once but Anne was twice the CW to flipped scum

To keep this information organized:

Player - Claim
anne = Tracker (kind of)
DrWilgy - 1x Vig
Dyslexicon - ???
iaafr - Backup Loyal Dayvig, was Vanilla
ilario/leetic - Masons/Pseudo-Hydra
Lime Coke - ???
Marmot - Settles ties
nutella - Vanilla Cop
Esooa - ???
staypositivefriend - ???

Feel free to update this when more information comes out

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:57 pm can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered for his claim? i feel like i missed something

P1: Loyal means the action will fail when used on a player of a different alignment.
P2: iaafr used his dayvig on NotAnAxehole, who flipped town.
P3: This is not a bastard game.
C: iaafr is clear town.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:35 pm @falcon45ca This shit

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:12 pm I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.

iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play on

And this shit

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:36 am nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe

Neither of these have anything to do with alignment but Jay felt the need to raise this twice. He also put this in a very positive light. I read this very strictly as a W stapling a teammate to a V for shared credit to both. I don't think a wolf actively preaches cred for two V like this, this is a 50/50.

If there is a wolf in these two, it has to be nutella as iaafr is clear

Given the dire state for the wolf team at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if the two remaining wolves bus each other. Don't fall for it if that happens.

I can kind of see a world where Esooa's self-vote was a gambit to split the town votes between Mac and her and get anne misvoted

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:27 pm Wait, could Nanook have used his ability D1? I remember him scumreading Wilgy for no stated reason

i assume not bc iaafr said it was 1shot so wouldnt have gotten the backup if it was used

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:28 pm I think nutella is a hit, given that her day has started with "I'm tinfoiling iaafr, I'm tinfoiling ilario/leetic, and I'm voting esooa"


I acknowledge that approach could come from her worldview being blown to bits, but I don't think that's it atm

well i'm not a hit

when i say tinfoil it usually means "i think this person is more likely town but have paranoia on them" and is not grounds for voting them, i still prefer to vote in my primary poe

Who's in your primary poe?

esooa/wilgy pretty much

i think esooa if wolf was deliberately defending me/tying us together, and had a lot of wordy posts that didn't actually have a point, i feel like i tend to find her more coherent and pointed as town. we now also know that naa's push on her yesterday was genuine and he seemed really confident that her posts don't come from town. so i'm comfortable voting there today

Do you see any interactions between the two that could come from partners?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:27 pm Wait, could Nanook have used his ability D1? I remember him scumreading Wilgy for no stated reason

He was on Sloonei too

Wait, could Nanook have used his ability D1? I remember him scumreading Wilgy for no stated reason

Clear: iaafr
Lock town: Marmot, LC, anne
Town: spf, Wilgy
Others: nutella, Esooa, Dyslexicon

We can do this.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:20 pm there was a period of time i tinfoiled leetic/ilario but its kind of contingent on them continuing to be wrong on nutella/esooa

i dont think leetic/ilario are ever with esooa and esooa is still probably far more wolfy by 1:1 comparison

not sure

If nutella and Esooa are town, then who else could it be?

Looked up Loyal on MafiaWiki, and iaafr is clear. PoE down to nutella/Esooa/Dyslexicon

Well, that eliminates one of my PoE, but he was the least suspicious of the five in my estimation

iaafr is still a suspect

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:11 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:09 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:07 pm i also said i was fine with mac going over, and iirc was one of the first to call him wolfy d1

You were also one of the first to change that to a townread. Also, saying you're fine with them going down in the lightest manner possible but not doing anything to achieve that end doesn't grant town points.

okay

thats fine

what's not fine is you not acknowledging the several other reasons i should have townpoints that multiple players have pointed out to you and you have entirely ignored

i clearly didnt have tmi on jay as dizzy pointed out, i've been posting out of my wolfrange all game, have had tinfoils jump around when as a wolf i would be more consistently pushing the same views

I'm not going to take your word for what you don't do as a wolf, especially if you're self-aware you could just as easily do these as town

On a side note, Jay and Mac clashed D1. It's not impossible to think that Mac may have also clashed with another of his partners.

Out of everyone, LC, spf, Dyslexicon, Esooa, and Axehole have yet to claim. nutella claimed something that can visit but didn't specify further.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:07 pm i also said i was fine with mac going over, and iirc was one of the first to call him wolfy d1

You were also one of the first to change that to a townread. Also, saying you're fine with them going down in the lightest manner possible but not doing anything to achieve that end doesn't grant town points.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:03 pm btw idk if it came through or people will believe me but

i never wanted anne to go over mac

i thought keeping it close would possibly produce more ai stuff / possibly clear marmot via the tie mech

I'm not really a fan of how you left it as a tie, or how you had a lot of posts suspecting Mac but went with anne for some reason

For the record, I tried to switch my vote to Mac to stop the tie, but the poll closed by the time I did it

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:03 pm lolme @ anne being the cw to mafia twice now

not really sure where i want to go today

Why don't we go with you? You hard defended two wolves and were the most adamant pusher of their counterwagon

Today, I want to focus on these following names:

nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon
iaafr
NotAnAxehole

Are there any objections?

Well, let's hope this doesn't end terribly

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:56 am let it rand
- some famous philosopher, probably

Even if it would rand, that's still a terrible idea

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:56 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:55 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:55 am Let's....not...kill...Esooa?

Why not esooa?

I want Mac more.

Why Mac over a self-voter?

I'll switch if it's still a three way tie but the self-voter is always the best option

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:53 am

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:53 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:52 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:50 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:49 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:48 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:47 am

he is town

eh probably, but not resolved

how do you tihnk Falcon is town, but the best ? thing about chopping mac is you resolve your town read on an obvious town player

posts wolfily

I'll let you reread my post and look at the parenthesis instead of responding to your continued conf-biasing.

I literally do not know what it's supposed to mean if not that

You put the emphasis on best and worst in parathensis

Like I don't rly even care what you thought you meant when making that post it just generally doesn't make sense

If you're town reading Falcon, who is obvious town, why are you even putting "possibly the best"

Why the fuck are you still self-voting? You know that means that you think you're the best option to vote off?

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:52 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:50 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:49 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:48 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:47 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:47 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:46 am

falcon is resolved

What do you mean?

he is town

eh probably, but not resolved

how do you tihnk Falcon is town, but the best ? thing about chopping mac is you resolve your town read on an obvious town player

posts wolfily

I'll let you reread my post and look at the parenthesis instead of responding to your continued conf-biasing.

I literally do not know what it's supposed to mean if not that

You put the emphasis on best and worst in parathensis

Like I don't rly even care what you thought you meant when making that post it just generally doesn't make sense

If you're town reading Falcon, who is obvious town, why are you even putting "possibly the best"

Why the fuck are you still self-voting? You know that means that you think you're the best option to vote off?

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:50 am btw falcon/mac maf team would explain threadstate somewhat imo

That does bring the question of why they would feel the need to come up with such a convoluted gambit

Though falcon has been sheeping Mac a bit much for my liking