The Syndicate

Would wolf Abby really fakeclaim a green check on one of her partners? Maybe? If not, it would make Made the safest vote in a Abby/Made/RDB PoE

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 2:28 am I'd like to apologize to anyone I've annoyed frustrated pissed pff what ever this game

I know playing with me when I'm at my best can be annoying and I'm not at my best. Trying to work on it while maintaining the essence of who I am as a player and person.

Anyways sorry no excuses

Still I'd like to work together and win this

I think Giras been towny today

I think leetic is just obvious town if I take emotion out of it that should have been my read all game

I think Ran is the most purely attempting to solve and drive the game forward and I think in this thread state that's probably towny.

I dunno honestly I still think Dizzy and Rondo are town but than I have too many town reads and they are my least comfortable reads at this point

Yeah, you still TRing DizzyMade and RDB alongside the others would implicate you and tedxtr as wolves (assuming three wolves and that Bereft isn't a wolf that died for some reason)

Well, whatever. Bereft is now the other thread's problem to deal with, not ours.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:33 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:27 am He legit said Porscha. Not Abbi.

Can I ask who is considered cleared here?

.... isn't porscha flipped town in that thread?

To be fair, we're not even sure Bereft is town, so they may not be playing to a town wincon.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:28 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:27 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:22 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:19 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:08 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:13 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:25 pm

I'm with Made.

Will push thoughts there.

Hihi, welcome. Jack has questions (and I'd also like to hear what jack flipped), he's not around right this minute but stay tuned for more.

- Who did pyxxy show up with and what did he say?

- Who did bereft show up with and what did he say?

- How did you go over? Who be wolves on that side?

Pxxy never posted in our thread.

Bereft said he thought Porscha was mafia and you were town.

Didn't Porscha flip town? Do you mean Abby?

ah I'm too late you gave it away.

yeah these don't check out so I'm thinking lime wolf.

Anyway, I at least believe his claims regarding Delta and Long Con, do you believe them?

Think so yeah. hard to account for the removed from game notices otherwise.

LC is obvious since the only other option would be whatever happened to Bereft, but Delta is a more interesting case. Still, I think them being an independent adds up, as it would account for the lone slot, although what that means for Bereft's chances of being ITP I don't know. Not sure I fully understand Delta's wincon either.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:27 am He legit said Porscha. Not Abbi.

Can I ask who is considered cleared here?

No one. I am probably the closest, though, due to my PR claim. tedxtr also has a PR claim, but it's not quite as solid as mine.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:22 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:19 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:08 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:13 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:25 pm

I'm with Made.

Will push thoughts there.

Hihi, welcome. Jack has questions (and I'd also like to hear what jack flipped), he's not around right this minute but stay tuned for more.

- Who did pyxxy show up with and what did he say?

- Who did bereft show up with and what did he say?

- How did you go over? Who be wolves on that side?

Pxxy never posted in our thread.

Bereft said he thought Porscha was mafia and you were town.

Didn't Porscha flip town? Do you mean Abby?

ah I'm too late you gave it away.

yeah these don't check out so I'm thinking lime wolf.

Anyway, I at least believe his claims regarding Delta and Long Con, do you believe them?

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:22 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:19 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:08 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:13 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:25 pm

I'm with Made.

Will push thoughts there.

Hihi, welcome. Jack has questions (and I'd also like to hear what jack flipped), he's not around right this minute but stay tuned for more.

- Who did pyxxy show up with and what did he say?

- Who did bereft show up with and what did he say?

- How did you go over? Who be wolves on that side?

Pxxy never posted in our thread.

Bereft said he thought Porscha was mafia and you were town.

Didn't Porscha flip town? Do you mean Abby?

ah I'm too late you gave it away.

yeah these don't check out so I'm thinking lime wolf.

I mean, if that's the case I respect him for trying unlike ilario. Still, the other thread has not been good with sending people who are particularly helpful with what's going on in the other thread (Jack being the only one).

Honestly, if wolves aren't in RDB/DizzyMade/Abby, well played (well, discounting shenanigans like wolf Bereft somehow dying last night). I wish I was confident enough to push this as a winning PoE, but tedxtr is just a bit questionable right now…

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:08 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:13 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:25 pm

I'm with Made.

Will push thoughts there.

Hihi, welcome. Jack has questions (and I'd also like to hear what jack flipped), he's not around right this minute but stay tuned for more.

- Who did pyxxy show up with and what did he say?

- Who did bereft show up with and what did he say?

- How did you go over? Who be wolves on that side?

Pxxy never posted in our thread.

Bereft said he thought Porscha was mafia and you were town.

Didn't Porscha flip town? Do you mean Abby?

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:01 am Although the question is, if it's RDB who is their partner? None of these besides maybe Abby look compatible at a glance.

Or I guess DizzyMade too? Thought they were voting RDB for some reason, but I guess it would explain their behavior at EoD

Although the question is, if it's RDB who is their partner? None of these besides maybe Abby look compatible at a glance.

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:40 am So at a quick glance, Gira actually looks really good from that EoD, to the point where I would not advocate a vote their today. They seemed to be the most consistent and unwavering TSP voter of everyone alive today, and if they even considered switching to Dizzy the result of D2 might look different.

Wrong there. Just goes to show how tired I am from the last few days. That, or my phone's autocorrect is just going wild (both are possibilities)

As for the rest, Ranmilia looks decent even if the switch can be seen as a little opportunistic. Abby's and DizzyMade's don't really give us anything. Thus, for now I would like to [VOTE: RDB] aubergine. They technically broke a tie, but it was only a "tie" because of RDB in the first place, and wolves may have been unlikely to want to let it rand. Keep in mind that the voters on the DizzyMade wagon were more malleable than the ones on TSP, as both me and Ranmilia expressed a willingness to switch to TSP whereas Gira had explicitly refused to join the Dizzy wagon. Plus, a lot of RDB's thoughts at that time appear really frazzled in hindsight.

Now, on the other hand, ted's look the worst. Granted, pyxxy's interactions look terrible too and he flipped town, but ted still has the least reason out of anyone alive to be townread for their actions at EoD. @tedxtr why did you seemingly not consider TSP as an option but did consider pyxxy, DizzyMade, and RDB?

So at a quick glance, Gira actually looks really good from that EoD, to the point where I would not advocate a vote their today. They seemed to be the most consistent and unwavering TSP voter of everyone alive today, and if they even considered switching to Dizzy the result of D2 might look different.

What the hell was everyone doing at EoD2?

RDB: Was moving their vote around like crazy. Criticized me for not following their pyxxy vote for "waganomics". Said DizzyMade wagon was dead, criticized me for trying to "revive" it. Last three votes were making DizzyMade tied with TSP, switching to me, and then voting TSP condemning him to death.

DizzyMade: Slanked. Last vote was 2 hours before EoD on Ranmilia, but it was quickly retracted.

Gira: Was pushing pyxxy for a while, asked for help to make the wagon "viable". "Re-thinking things" 2 hours before EoD and votes TSP. Stays with TSP over DizzyMade because "gut".

Abby: Defends DizzyMade, votes pyxxy 3 hours before EoD, dips.

Ranmilia: "Down to kill" TSP if ilario doesn't show up. Votes TSP an hour before EoD, but still thinks DizzyMade is a better wagon. Switches to DizzyMade 20 minutes to EoD, switches back right on the buzzer

tedxtr: Votes pyxxy 3 hours before EoD, saying it's a better option than DizzyMade and RDB (doesn't mention TSP oddly). Goes back and forth on RDB for a short while afterwards, settles on pyxxy, then dips.

For comparison's sake, the flipped players (and Bereft)

TSP: Hedges on pyxxy and then dips.

Windward: Gets into a couple of irrelevant arguments and stays parked on TSP.

pyxxy: Mostly fluffposting and outing my soft. Closest thing to a suspicion they pushed is DizzyMade, who is "bleh", no mention of TSP

Bereft: "pyxxy is micro'ing town", votes TSP with a little over an hour to EoD, much of the rest is mechanical talk, somehow posted after deadline

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:59 am Confirmed pairings:
nutella/Mac
ilario/TSP
Porscha/Abby
Jack/Ranmilla
tutuu/robyn
Delta/no one
Long Con/WindwardAway
Brad/Made

Also updated. @Lime Coke know who Bereft's and pyxxy's partners are?

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:16 pm Alexy
Bereft
Cape90
DarlingMonroe
Delta
DrWilgy
Gira
ilario
Jackofhearts2005
leetic
Lime Coke
Long Con
MacDougall
Made
nutella
Porscha
potentialsheltervet
Princess Abigail
pyxxy
Ranmilia
robyn
RondoDimBuckle
Scotty
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime
tutuu
WindwardAway

The current state of play

Updated. Coloring Delta purple for third party, as the only way this is a lie is if Brad is a wolf, and a Delta/Brad w/w world isn't one worth worrying about.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:38 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:33 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:31 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:29 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:25 pm

I'm with Made.

Will push thoughts there.

Are you town or wolf?
Is Delta town or wolf?
Did Long Con flip town or did he not flip at all?
Did Windward claim their second roleblock target?
Did Bereft claim anything about his alignment?

Town.
He was 3P.
Town.
No.
No.

What kind of ITP?

Has to guess night kill and what they flip.

Stop asking useless questions I only have 10 posts dude.

Not a useless question, we have reason to suspect Bereft is ITP

Still, if Brad's answers are true it means the other thread isn't doing much better than we are. Maybe the ITPs are the big threats here?

Although a wolfteam of ilario/Delta/Brad would mean the other thread would be done, so

I'll treat Long Con as flipped town, I don't think wolf!Brad has a reason to lie about that. I'll take the other answers with a grain of salt for now.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:31 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:29 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:25 pm

I'm with Made.

Will push thoughts there.

Are you town or wolf?
Is Delta town or wolf?
Did Long Con flip town or did he not flip at all?
Did Windward claim their second roleblock target?
Did Bereft claim anything about his alignment?

Town.
He was 3P.
Town.
No.
No.

What kind of ITP?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:25 pm

I'm with Made.

Will push thoughts there.

Are you town or wolf?
Is Delta town or wolf?
Did Long Con flip town or did he not flip at all?
Did Windward claim their second roleblock target?
Did Bereft claim anything about his alignment?

Gira wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:06 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:03 pm No secret votes either.

you can't be sure of that if no one has posted?

I was talking on my end

Well, it wasn't announced that anyone was leaving so we seem to be getting someone. Sin embargo, no tengo a nadie. No secret votes either.

Well, approaching 9 EST again, let's see if we get anything this time

Looking back at RDB's EoD2, two things that stand out are their being pissed off that I wasn't willing to vote pyxxy and them considering DizzyMade a "dead wagon"

Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:40 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:39 pm

Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:34 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:32 pm

Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:31 pm wait... so who is coming to our thread today?

Whoever gets lynched in the thread, assuming their partner hasn't already died here

Understood...who was that...?

I understand you're a sub but you've had like two phases to catch up. Come on

Asking questions is a very important part of the educational process. shame on you for shaming those who yearn for knowledge

If you really "yearn for knowledge", you could have paid attention to the multiple people who explained it to you. I feel like your "just asking questions" is reading like a bad-faith tactic to stall out the thread. I ask a lot of questions, but those are at least directed at getting information out of the players/game.

Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:34 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:32 pm

Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:31 pm wait... so who is coming to our thread today?

Whoever gets lynched in the thread, assuming their partner hasn't already died here

Understood...who was that...?

I understand you're a sub but you've had like two phases to catch up. Come on

Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:31 pm wait... so who is coming to our thread today?

Whoever gets lynched in the thread, assuming their partner hasn't already died here

Anyway, while typically you're supposed to look through every player and try to find reasons why they're towny, I wonder if it would be better to do the opposite in this situation and look through players while trying to find any potential wolf motivations they may have had. I know this is considered wolfy, but sometimes town's best weapon is to use the wolves' own strategies against them.

Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:24 pm Is there a world where we're ever chopping our top town choice, and sending them to the other thread as an emissary?

No. Stupid idea. We let wolves do that for us

Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:21 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:01 pm I'm currently looking at D2. Game is hard. At least someone new shows up at 8 (probably).

Not if tutuu gets lynched, nor if pyxxy's or Bereft's partner either. The other thread has been stingy about giving us people lately (then again, we were stingy at the beginning of the game)

How does sending people to other threads work?

When someone dies, they get sent to the other thread as long as their partner doesn't die. Porscha was lynched D1 in the other thread but came here because Abby was still alive, while nutella despite being killed N1 wasn't able to come here because her partner Mac got nightkilled before the thread was unlocked. So currently, pyxxy and Bereft are in the other thread while Porscha and Jack are here.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:01 pm I'm currently looking at D2. Game is hard. At least someone new shows up at 8 (probably).

Not if tutuu gets lynched, nor if pyxxy's or Bereft's partner either. The other thread has been stingy about giving us people lately (then again, we were stingy at the beginning of the game)

And although it could solve some mysteries, I wouldn't immediately trust someone who gets lynched in the other thread *cough*ilario*cough*

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:01 pm I'm currently looking at D2. Game is hard. At least someone new shows up at 8 (probably).

Not if tutuu gets lynched, nor if pyxxy's or Bereft's partner either. The other thread has been stingy about giving us people lately (then again, we were stingy at the beginning of the game)

I mean, I guess I could see them trying to see if anyone else would bite on DizzyMade. Don't know why they voted me though.

I mean, if I ignore the TSP vote I probably have the least reason to TR RDB? Maybe they saw the writing on the wall with that one?

This thread is dead lol

Though I should probably be doing more to keep it alive myself

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:39 pm maybe there's just 1 wolf

We'll know when LyLo is announced. Which hopefully won't be tomorrow

If I get to the other thread, it will be by nightkill, merge, or not at all.

Gira wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:22 pm i wouldn't suggest it if i didn't know there was another thread and would probably prefer playing there

I'm not exactly curious as to what will happen if wolves gain parity in this thread, and I suggest you take the same attitude.

Gira wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:15 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:09 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:05 pm [VOTE: rondo] aubergine

i halfway want to get chopped here because being in this thread is a nightmare but i think doing so loses in this thread unless there's some spare mechanics in play here

You "think"? Shouldn't you know your alignment?

as in me dying places the game in a state where the game is functionally unwinnable for town, because it will go to F5, and mafia will have the votes necessary to win.

like - i realize it's been a long time since you've played scum, but generally you know if you're winning before f5/f3 because you can predict who will vote where. and if you have a single townie whose vote you can count on, the game is won. and i think that's likely to happen here if we miss today. today is functionally LYLO, in my opinon.


i still kind of want to die because i hate being in this thread and i feel like people actually need my flip to see that ran is pushing me in bad faith here (maybe. i'm a pessimist)

I have seen quite a few wolf teams fall apart because they assumed wrong (hell, the game I linked from FFR is an example). But town possibly wanting to be mislynched on any phase is always a concerning sign.

Gira wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:05 pm [VOTE: rondo] aubergine

i halfway want to get chopped here because being in this thread is a nightmare but i think doing so loses in this thread unless there's some spare mechanics in play here

You "think"? Shouldn't you know your alignment?

Would've been cool if Abby's claim was real as then I'd only have to solve between Made/Gira/tedxtr, but what can you do

My best reason to read everyone as town:

RDB: Well-timed TSP vote
Made: Passed my reaction test
Gira: Apparent lack of compatibility with others
Abby: Tracker result
Ranmilia: Best-looking solving and also a lack of compatibility
tedxtr: PR claim

Yeah, IRL obligations are starting to catch up to me too. This is probably the phase in which I should be most present as the most widely townread player in an uncertain gamestate, but what can I do. I probably won't have access to my laptop for a while, which makes things like ISOs a bit more difficult.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 1:02 pm Maybe we’re all just town

If we were, there'd be no nightkill. I doubt TSP was basically an SK anyway.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 12:48 pm stronger*, obviously they made it closer by tying, lol

my point is that he never really strongly pushed him or anything, just found himself voting him in key moments while pushing others

He made Dizzy tied to TSP, then switched to me and then switched to TSP