The Syndicate

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:49 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:48 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:47 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:47 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:46 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:46 am Probably the best (or the worst) thing about chopping Mac is that it very well might resolve falcon
falcon is resolved
What do you mean?
he is town
eh probably, but not resolved
how do you tihnk Falcon is town, but the best ? thing about chopping mac is you resolve your town read on an obvious town player

posts wolfily

Although you have to consider that losing two townies is more of a risk than losing one

It is odd that the people besides anne who are gaining the most traction are the ones who aren't even here

Save Dyslexicon, who is not being picked up for some reason

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:45 am [VOTE: IAAFR] aubergine

Why do you think this is a better option over anne/Mac/whoever else?

Oh fuck, Esooa is self-voting, yeah there's no way I'm putting up with that

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:43 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:42 am
anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:41 am i actually need you to write a full ISO on me over night because at this point you're extremely confbiased
I'd rather see your current thoughts on everyone which will be useful regardless of how you flip
theres no way id be able to do this in good faith in only 17 minutes but i can make an attempt

Just do your biggest wolfreads then

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:42 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:42 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:41 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:40 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:39 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:35 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:35 am @Esooa You're just open wolf, so this probably is a pointless endeavour, but you love spew... Which part of my spew reads are accurate, and which parts are bad?
Your judging my play by one game if you're town

I don't care
"One Game"

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:21 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:20 am u couldn't find the wolves off of my spew in mountainous though
I've been tryharding for months so I'm a fair bit better now lol
In that game you were talking about another game where you used spew to find 2 wolves. So are you simply not taking this game seriously, and if so... How do you have conviction in your reads? I mean, I'm not twisting your words, it's just what you've said in the past.
that post is 4 months old brother
Right, so I'm guessing you're going to say that you've completely overhauled your tryhard playstyle because everything you've worked on over the "months of tryharding" has lead to an obvious negative result that you had to trash?
peepeepoopoo
I'm not sure why no one is voting this.

I'm willing to make it happen. [VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:41 am i actually need you to write a full ISO on me over night because at this point you're extremely confbiased

I'd rather see your current thoughts on everyone which will be useful regardless of how you flip

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:40 am I really don’t know what to make of Anne this eod..

Your iaafr vote ain't going to accomplish anything, why don't you move it

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:33 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:32 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:31 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:30 am this rly is just going to be a game where a wolf dies day 1 and people go off on tunnels for fun and we lose

anne shouldn't be a top wagon
If you had sole control of the wagons which 3 would you prefer to see at the top?
rn only wanting to vote like NAA/Marmot

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

lets go!!!

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine Fuck self voters

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:32 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:31 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:29 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:26 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:25 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:22 am what if iaafr/mac are wolves and mac made that sudden case on iaafr on d1 to distance from him?

lol
possible

i can see a team of anne/iaafr/esooa or anne/iaafr/mac

anyway lets just flip anne today
I still have not seen a good reason from you why JJJ would prefer anne to die over Wilgy, Axehole, and MR (the lattermost of which is confirmed town)
It was the leading wagon at the time.

Wilgy was like only 2 votes, MR wasn't even a wagon, and yeah other reasons he didn't join other wagons.
All three had significant levels of suspicion, nobody would have blamed Jay if he went after any of them, the fact that he thought anne was the best option AND he seemed really calm at EoD while w/w wagons usually cause scum to be at each other's throats tells me what I need to know
Was JJJ even at EOD? I thought he disappeared after he voted Anne.

Well, kind of, last post was at 7 which was around thirty minutes after restrictions had been eased

He wouldn't have been able to predict the last ten minutes turning against him

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:31 am i might miss part of the last half hour, can hopefully pop in at least once or twice more but ultimately im fine with any of anne/mac/naa going over ig

Hedging

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:31 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:30 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:30 am this rly is just going to be a game where a wolf dies day 1 and people go off on tunnels for fun and we lose

anne shouldn't be a top wagon
who should be?
I don't care, not iaafr or anne

We need more people in here advocating better ideas. Hedging isn't helping anyone.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:29 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:26 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:25 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:22 am what if iaafr/mac are wolves and mac made that sudden case on iaafr on d1 to distance from him?

lol
possible

i can see a team of anne/iaafr/esooa or anne/iaafr/mac

anyway lets just flip anne today
I still have not seen a good reason from you why JJJ would prefer anne to die over Wilgy, Axehole, and MR (the lattermost of which is confirmed town)
It was the leading wagon at the time.

Wilgy was like only 2 votes, MR wasn't even a wagon, and yeah other reasons he didn't join other wagons.

All three had significant levels of suspicion, nobody would have blamed Jay if he went after any of them, the fact that he thought anne was the best option AND he seemed really calm at EoD while w/w wagons usually cause scum to be at each other's throats tells me what I need to know

@Lime Coke Why aren't you voting anybody right now

All three of the largest wagons are uninspiring at the moment, people please do better

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:25 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:22 am what if iaafr/mac are wolves and mac made that sudden case on iaafr on d1 to distance from him?

lol
possible

i can see a team of anne/iaafr/esooa or anne/iaafr/mac

anyway lets just flip anne today

I still have not seen a good reason from you why JJJ would prefer anne to die over Wilgy, Axehole, and MR (the lattermost of which is confirmed town)

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:24 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:22 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:21 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:20 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:18 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:17 am lmao axe, I'm not reading that right now, but I will tomorrow
I put the important parts in bold green, conclusion at the bottom, evidence in spoilers... WHAT MORE CAN I DO TO GET YOUR ATTENTION?

I appreciate it, I just worry I'll miss all the other things that are being said.

I'll try
tl;dr

PoE

Anne
iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon
Can you order your PoE by level of suspicion?
Tier 1:

iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

Tier 2:
Anne

Does Tier 2 mean anne is more or less suspicious?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:21 am gonna reiterate again that JJJ did not have a towncore, and only posted a list of townreads once when he was specifically prompted to by another player. someone can correct me if im wrong but it's important that we play based on what actually happened in this game

It's still pretty likely for wolves to sneak one of their own into such lists, but I will admit that it's not a 100% guarantee

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:22 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:53 am Here's the final tally from Day 1.

) anne
5
25%
Voters: Master Radishes, falcon45ca, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, DrWilgy
) DrWilgy
2
10%
Voters: ilario, iaafr
) Dyslexicon
1
5%
Voters: MacDougall
) JaggedJimmyJay
7
35%
Voters: leetic, Marmot, Lime Coke, cassandra, staypositivefriend, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, NotAnAxehole
) NotAnAxehole
1
5%
Voters: anne
) sleep
1
5%
Voters: Dyslexicon

No Vote: Sloonei

He voted Sleep, but close enough

Yeah, not a good vote at all, even if it wasn't during EoD

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:21 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:19 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:18 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:15 am The simulation indicates that JJJ is mafia with 3 of these 5 people:

Anne
iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

That is the PoE that the JJJ simulator has spit out.
interesting approach lol

fmpov it would be iaafr/anne/esooa which... actually makes a lot of sense in some ways hm
Why are you clearing Dyslexicon?
because he's obvious town

Obvious how? I haven't seen anything in their ISO that is particularly clearing

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:21 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:20 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:18 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:17 am lmao axe, I'm not reading that right now, but I will tomorrow
I put the important parts in bold green, conclusion at the bottom, evidence in spoilers... WHAT MORE CAN I DO TO GET YOUR ATTENTION?

I appreciate it, I just worry I'll miss all the other things that are being said.

I'll try
tl;dr

PoE

Anne
iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

Can you order your PoE by level of suspicion?

Does someone still have the old poll saved? I don't see it in the OP and I remember Dyslexicon was on a vanity wagon but I don't remember who

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:19 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:17 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:15 am Ho boi. You fuckers are too much. Can't keep up but you are making me doubt my Iaafr read now.

I'm back to 50/50 on the Nutella Iaafr thing.

Why aren't we just yeeting Mac tho?
That will take out two rather than one and bring us one step closer to MiLo.
Two? Who? Is this re the 2nd or 3rd subject of my post.

If Mac's claim is to be believed, falcon would also die

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:18 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:15 am The simulation indicates that JJJ is mafia with 3 of these 5 people:

Anne
iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

That is the PoE that the JJJ simulator has spit out.
interesting approach lol

fmpov it would be iaafr/anne/esooa which... actually makes a lot of sense in some ways hm

Why are you clearing Dyslexicon?

If there's a wolf in JJJ's towncore, nutella is the most likely candidate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:15 am Ho boi. You fuckers are too much. Can't keep up but you are making me doubt my Iaafr read now.

I'm back to 50/50 on the Nutella Iaafr thing.

Why aren't we just yeeting Mac tho?

That will take out two rather than one and bring us one step closer to MiLo.

Remember, we're dealing with three separate wolves right now

iaafr doesn't even seem to be here right now, the pressure would probably be better focused elsewhere

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine seems to be here and isn't doing anything

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:09 am cassandra
illario/leetic
lime coke
nutella
marmot

^^^just town

falcon

^^^town (gets his own tier because of mac W/W tinfoil and because of his flip-flop on me but i think his posting is individually towny regardless)

dyslexicon
esooa
iaafr

^^gotten townpings from all of these players but there's probably a wolf here

notanaxehole
anne
macdougall

^^^^contains at least one wolf

If Axehole/anne/MacDougall contains at least one wolf, who is that wolf?

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:06 am did Alexa accuse anyone of hard wolf siding in finals

nutella, anne, Wilgy, Dyslexicon, Axehole, Mac, spf. What are your GTH reads on each of these people?

Now is not the time for tinfoil, we need to be more organized

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:04 am oh lol i couldn't find this because i wrote it on a phone note not a google doc

ok so

i think IAAFR having 0 paranoid over my slot whatsoever may be wolfy

i also feel like he in general has had a more level like "A to B," easy view of the game than i've seen from him as town in the past

I'm not going to be convinced of iaafr's alignment via alleged behavior in past games, I want evidence that can stand on its own

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:04 am thats me declaring ive unvoted btw

ive decided nutella is town because i said so

If she's town, why is she pursuing this vote on you so strongly?

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:01 am ok

how confident are people iaafr is town

ive been tinfoiling him hardcore

He's one of my less confident townreads, but I'd rather flip nutella

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:35 pm @falcon45ca This shit

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:12 pm I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.

iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play on
And this shit
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:36 am nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe
Neither of these have anything to do with alignment but Jay felt the need to raise this twice. He also put this in a very positive light. I read this very strictly as a W stapling a teammate to a V for shared credit to both. I don't think a wolf actively preaches cred for two V like this, this is a 50/50.

I'm not certain that it can't be t/t, but JJJ's posts do lead me to believe that nutella and iaafr aren't w/w otherwise he wouldn't link them.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:41 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:04 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:15 pm I'm here for a brief moment before further holiday driving.

I see Anne is the lead wagon. Neat. Doesn't make sense to me, but I won't cry about it. Still comfortable with either a Nutella or Mac yeet.

Spoiler: show
When you disagree with the main vote target, you fight it, you don't just quietly acquiesce to it. You not really caring about how anne will go down makes you look really wolfy.

See you in an hour.
I disagree. I have stated 3 separate times as to why Anne feels like a miss to me. I don't have the time or energy to dissuade further, especially when I could just be wrong. I'll vote where I want, speak of who I think is correct, and move on.

If you think anne is a miss, it would be very wise to speak up since she has the most votes. That's not a waste of effort.

Since ilario hasn't shown up yet, I'll just hit postcap to get a couple things out of the way before EoD

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:15 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:01 am okay so, i snapvoted esooa because i read the bottom paragraph of her wallpost and i thought that her positioning looked explicitly like she was trying to wolfside and flip the POE (by having me/marmot as her top 2 foses when i think that marmot is probably just town, and by having dizzy as her third fos when i think dizzy could be town too)

now that ive actually read the wallpost, i think the reasoning is mostly fine and there's some parts of it that i find towny (like her reasoning to tr falcon). her reasoning to wolfread me feels really nitpicky and weak though - like it's obvious that i was saying that the content of drwilgy's posts wasn't AI for him but that his posts still reflected a scum mindset, and i feel like she really had to stretch and misinterpret my posts to frame them in the way that she did. i also dont like that she didnt include any reasons to townread me when i would kind of expect esooa to pick up on some of my towntells as town. i guess the headline is that i overreacted by immediately voting esooa but i think that her current list of scumreads is probably wolf-sided regardless of her alignment
Okay--how exactly does like

His posts reflecting a scum mindset not mean the posts are wolf AI

And regardless of all that were you not still wanting to vote him? Because like, you were as far as I know

irt not posting anything for why you're town

I'm not really pushing my reads that much and worded the ending explicitly as who I want to look into more for a reason

Not specifically because I'm town reading you much but more so because I mean

I basically expect exactly these kinds of responses when disagreeing with any kinda consensus in this lobby

I don't really agree that your response to pressure was that towny though, like, individually towny posts in terms of mindset are what made me shift my read off you in the vigi 10er, and I also noted that game you omgus'd by going like "I'm so obvious town" and town read it there, so don't rly agree there

and besides that the post is 2700 words. I cared more by then to get my current opinions out rather than all my thoughts

I think your entrance was probably towny, in that your entrance reads were reasonable+good in volume, and the uwu stuff was probably slightly towny, etc

Regardless I'm most interested in your opinion on the game state in general

And also too the idea that my reads list is wolf-sided, tbh

Alexa's reasons for wolf reading Anne, the top wagon today and for most of today to my recollection, are "nothing that pingy but she isn't explicitly town yet,"

Does that really sound like reasons to kill Anne to you? Or reasons for her to just be there wagoned all day?

I know there are others, but nothing really that inspiring either imo

And in terms of it being wolf-sided

Who are the wolves?

Like, when Alexa posted "I'm just gonna say all of Dizzy SPF Marmot are town and not actually talk about anything cause why not," I looked at the playerlist and assumed they're all town

Who are the wolves?

They're not exactly that easy to find

I think a lot of the consensus towns are town for decent reasons and if you remove the 3 named above, you're already basically out of names

Like c'mon lol

This isn't alignment related but the way this post is formatted makes it difficult for people like me who have ADHD to read it, and I'd appreciate if you can format your posts in a more concise manner

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:34 pm leetic's not a hero for being pedantic about details that deliberately miss the nuance of the point entirely and refusing to understand why anyone's perspective goes beind level 1 lol its pretty fucking annoying to play with

If I have a level one perspective on the anne wagon, then you have a level zero one. Like seriously, the only reason you say you are voting anne is because the EoD wagons might be w/w without any indication that this is the case and also ignoring that anne was only competing against JJJ for the last ten minutes of the day, previously Wilgy and Axehole were the other options

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:15 pm I'm here for a brief moment before further holiday driving.

I see Anne is the lead wagon. Neat. Doesn't make sense to me, but I won't cry about it. Still comfortable with either a Nutella or Mac yeet.

Spoiler: show

When you disagree with the main vote target, you fight it, you don't just quietly acquiesce to it. You not really caring about how anne will go down makes you look really wolfy.

See you in an hour.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:23 pm i might yeah, i'm p much equally fine with anne/naa chops

i think anne is straight up wolfy on play, i do see some argument for her being town on wagonomics but again her d1 wagon was pretty pure imo and w/w wagons are more common than ppl think so it means little to me when shes the least towny person in the game

i think naa has had some glimmers of townie perspective but i have close to no experience with him and something seems slimy/off about how hes engaged with people, maybe i expect him to be more abrasive as town and maybe thats not fair but he's hard poe and his views of the game are fairly incoherent to me

JJJ was on the damn thing

That's either my last or second-to-last post so see ya later

Is it bad that the anne wagon has all three of my top scumreads?

The answer is yes. Yes, it is.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:17 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:00 pmHow's that a towny post? With posts like that town isn't getting any closer to a solve

Also I don't know how many times I'll have to repeat this but the anne wagon still sucks
Well if I had great ideas, I would say so. I could make shit up also, if I was mafia.

Better to be open about being unsure than tunnelling on town all game like you are with me =)

Instead of hating everything I'm doing without trying to understand, why don't you engage with my reasons for town reading Nutella, since you are scum reading her?

I'm not the one who's voting anne for basically no reason. But go on ahead, I don't really buy arguments from other people that "x player never does this as mafia" or "b player always does this as town" because 1. people can learn from their past mistakes, 2. these arguments often reflect the biases of the person making them, and 3. a skilled player can fake all this anyway and I'd like to assume we're not bad players. JJJ was nothing like his scum game in the game I hosted where he was scum, but it didn't stop him from being scum. The reasons to scumread nutella are largely based around Jay interactions and how she dealt with the threadstate at EoD. This is more reliable because wolves can fake effort, they can fake emotion, but wolves will not generally make blatantly suboptimal plays. nutella only really defended Jay after I made it safe to do so by stating Jay was unlike his last wolf game, and the way she popped in to say she was alright with a Jay vote, but not actually change her vote in case anne picked up again, and her willingness to try to pick up an anne wagon again today with barely an acknowledgement it was confirmed to be wolfy. These are all stronger pieces of evidence against her than anything for her, and I still don't like her interaction with Esooa, and her contributions today are largely tinfoiling which doesn't help town. I also don't like how she seems to be added to the towncore alongside players like Lime Coke, Marmot, and cass who all have much stronger reasons to be townread. nutella seems like she might have an important role though, so I may be more willing to vote you or Esooa over her today, but you can't deny that nutella has had many wolfy moments this game.

Also, it's not unheard of for mafia to let town destroy itself, and given how much of a mess these past few pages are I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Nobody should be giving anybody town points for hedginesss right now.

Anyway, I'm nearly out of posts right now and probably will only post again before EoD in case of an emergency, so keep that in mind.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:57 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:51 pm I don't have any scum reads, which is disappoint.
towny post

why'd you say "I have some bad news. I kind of think Esooa is town" though

How's that a towny post? With posts like that town isn't getting any closer to a solve

Also I don't know how many times I'll have to repeat this but the anne wagon still sucks

anne wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:42 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:41 pm
anne wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:51 am but uh... at least we know nutella visited someone guys!!
Is it targeted or visited?
It's targeted but isn't that the same thing?

According to the host, no as even if nutella was roleblocked it would still count as a target but not a visit

Thus, yours and nutella's claims are not incompatible

anne wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:51 am but uh... at least we know nutella visited someone guys!!

Is it targeted or visited?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:14 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:44 am But yeah I decided to vote mac anyways because I’m thinking about the claim some more and their role makes 0 sense to me. So they’re in a chat, and they have a cop check on each other but once they use the check they become lovers?? What’s the point of that dynamic? Why even have the cop check if they’re essentially gonna be tied together, why not start them out as lovers? Idk feels like something mac coulda come up with to protect himself from being voted. I liked that Mac noticed that towny line from naa but then he won’t on to do nothing with it, so meh that might have just been a pocket attempt from mac.
The role works for both Mac & I the same way. The first one of us to check the other makes us lovers, and alerts the Maf it happened. We don't have a check on each other, he has the check on me. It only works 1 way

It's true. He's not making it up. That's the role. That's why I feel Mac will self resolve...either the Maf kill one of us and we both die, or if we're alive near end game

The one disagreement I have with you is wolf Mac would be very dangerous to keep alive near endgame

anne wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:51 am but uh... at least we know nutella visited someone guys!!

But nutella claimed roleblocked...

These people are, as far as I am concerned, lock town:
ilario
cassandra
Lime Coke
Marmot

These people I also won't consider voting unless something changes:
anne (unless Wilgy and Axehole flip bad)
falcon45ca (unless Mac flips bad)

The following people I consider to be most likely town, but there's nothing that lock clears them:
MacDougall
iaafr
staypositivefriend

I think they're town for now, but realize they can still be bad:
NotAnAxehole
DrWilgy

People I would feel most comfortable voting:
Dyslexicon
Esooa
nutella

cassandra wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:40 am i want to say "i'm a huge reason last EOD was good so please give me a bit more respect" but realize that could end badly today

if i decide anne is town, i'll vote elsewhere. for now, i don't fos her for her investment. i fos her for her actual posting. the beginning psots were performative, she has a few good ones where she agrees w/my reads/POE, but then it snaps back to performative, and she has no interest in solving the game. even when v!anne has no interest in solving the game, she has some small towntells: for example, the fact she hasn't claimed anything about her role despite suspicion on her is a SCUMTELL for her like strongly, and yes i know its optimal play if its town but we are very similar in this way so her claiming nothing (and also like making a big deal about roles being randed before alignment) is a salty wolf scumtell for her

What do you make of the EoD actions though if anne is scum? Game events are a much more reliable way of reading people than what you posted

Y'all are disappointing me. With so many of you looking good after the EoD flip, there is no reason for town to be disorganized. Seriously, Wilgy is more on point than most of you today

Like why is anne even being considered as an option after last EoD? Out of Wilgy, Axehole, and MR (the lattermost known town) Jay said he would most want anne to die. I think a lot of you are also to quick to townread nutella for "vibes" when her EoD looks really bad, making a comment about being fine with the Jay vote without switching her vote in a way that just seems noncommittal, like she didn't want to look bad but still hoped for the possibility of anne going down. And people are now suspecting Marmot because god knows why, while Dyslexicon whose main action today was disrupting the town core is being given a free pass.

Really, this isn't going to be any easier for us as the days go on as we'll lose more active players, while we still need to vote out three wolves. But I'm running out of posts fast, so I hope you can all get your shit together by EoD. Seriously, last EoD was so good, there is no excuse for us to be in such a mess right now.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:16 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:12 pm Who does JaggedJimmyJay want to eliminate today?
If the day ended in five seconds I'd vote NAA for boring snap reads. I'm in no hurry though.
We both know this is a lie

To the people who know Axehole better than I: Would he really say this if he was partnered with Jay?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:48 am
ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:42 am
cassandra wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:27 am
ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:18 am I think the bigger problem with me in the ocean game is that I’m too harsh on players I consider to be great players when they don’t have similar reads as me especially if it’s in a way that I struggle to understand, and yeah i acknowledge that’s a problem of mine.
yeah that's another thing we talked about so i get that element, but i just feel like it's a trend specifically for people who have fooled you hard as wolf (SPF, dizzy, katze, anne, esooa, etc) when in reality even good wolves can be read in a similar way to reading anyone else

and also the way you approach reads sometimes is like allowing people who have NEVER fooled you before to fool you then after it happens, never letting it happen again, whereas fmpov i treat everyone equally unless i know they have very polarized ranges or something

can you explain more why you think spf is maf?

also im going to sleep now lol
Ur largely correct in ur second sentence. Ummm I think spf is scummy because I went through jjjs iso and he barely interacts or talks to spf, whereas I feel like if spf was town jjj would make more of an attempt to speak to spf and interact with her in order to mimic their dynamic when they’re tvt where they speak to each other a lot and bounce of ideas, kinda like how me and u play as tvt. Essentially I think her woulda been more pockety towards spf. And he still pops spf in his tr list despite never talking to her. I think she felt a bit frozen at eod yesterday at times, and I don’t like some of her reactions to fosses today.

She’s been too omgus-ish whereas when she’s town she usually tends to shrug it off more. That’s not always the case and there has been games where it gets to her but it usually looks different. There was a point where I changed my tr on her to a sr and her reaction was something like “come on bro you know I’m town” or something. And that’s just a weird reaction imo because me and spf have this dynamic for like the last 5-10 games we’ve been tvt where we alternate on one of ur tr’ing the other whilst the other is more wary. And the person who isn’t being heavily townread is never too bothered by it because we always end up finding each other as town by the end of it anyways so yeah her reaction there was kinda off to me.
hold up though, is there anyone in jagged's iso that he spoke to a lot? he was making a ton of individualistic posts without talking to people much at all unless they specifically prompted him, and i'm pretty sure that's because he was frozen throughout most of d1. im p sure that you could apply the same logic you used to scumread me in this post to almost every single living player in this game. also, i think it's obvious that jagged was trying to pocket me/appease me by dropping a somewhat unwarranted townread on me early into the game and then by piggybacking off of my suspicion on MR to vote for him

also youre right that im finding it harder to shrug off suspicion in this game - i dont know if it's because we're on a different website than normal or because im just more stressed out IRL (cause of holidays and all) but i also feel like you should know that i find it much easier to brush off suspicion as a wolf than as town, so the fact that im reacting more strongly shouldnt be scummy to u. and also, you already found me as town on d1 and i felt like you were doubting yourself for bad reasons, which is why i basically went: "dude you already found me as town, just chill" as an attempt to give u a little kick back into sanity

u should be reading me by the content of my posts instead of trying to look for minor meta differences that arent related to my alignment at all

Mac and Nanook were the only people who Jay interacted with to a large degree and the latter is now dead. Jay's ISO doesn't give us too much to work with because most of it is hedgy gobbledygook, but I find it interesting how comfortable he seemed to be with the thread state in his last few posts.

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