The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:16 am i hope that the end result of this game isnt a factor in discouraging u to play forum mafia dizzy cuz ur a really fun player

Oh no, not at all! I don't take a silly loss that hard. =p

I had fun this game, especially when I got more into it.
I've recently gotten a new job which takes a lot out of me (but that I love), and mafia is too much of a time commitment to me, cause I get so into games and can't stop myself lol. I was too busy to play this one too, but couldn't resist, since it was such a big party game! Glad I signed up, and you'll probably see me soon, cause I always say I'll go on a break and then I come back like two weeks later =p

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:09 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:01 am Well, Tim was a lost wolf

im not bothered by tim having wrong reads since multiple members of the town had wrong reads and made wrong decisions and i think us losing the game was a collective effort on all of our parts

it did bother me the way he tried to guilt trip me and (presumably others) for losing at the end when he was literally no better than us, and like his posts are right there in the thread and i remember them, like ... lol

It happens.

No town is really "better" or "worse" than others at the end of the game. We win/lose as a collective unity. That's just how the game works.

Even measuring who is a "good" or "bad" at mafia doesn't make sense. At least I'm not smart enough to understand all the human variables that goes into this, and even if I was, every game is a new context that change the variables. =p

The most consistent variable I've found is effort.

I guess that is why I love mafia!

But this will be my last for a while! I'll try to join some video mafia instead!

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:07 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:07 am Cindy Kate town towards mafia:

Spoiler: show

Cindy Kate town towards 3p:

Spoiler: show

LOL

I bet that last dog's name is @c4e5g3d5

Cindy Kate town towards mafia:
Cindy Kate town towards 3p:

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:55 am If you didn’t accept I wouldn’t have been cleared tbf

We were all cleared. We could have cleared each other on play, like we did in the end. In the last hour, I had walked enough circle to say confidently everyone was town.

But I think what tricked me the most to leave even the smallest room for doubt was five mafia and a wandering night kill, cause that is at least a mildly wild leap. Although, I did make it.

Anyway. Fun game, but frustrating. Like mafia games should be. Loved playing with you, JPIC, I feel we definitely look at things the same way a lot and I lurve that! <3

Early in my mafia carrier, I recall winning as SK in a 30 player game by claiming survivor D1 and holstering the whole game lol.

It's surprising how often this works.

I think this game can serve as a cautionary tale about the old "I'm harmless 3p - JK!" play. It seems to work out a bit too often. =p

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:21 pm If u used ur power on alison it would have killed her but u couldnt know

If dizzy didnt accept deal yesterday u could have safely used it

(Not putting blame; just explaining the possibilities)

This is my bad. I was very very very close to not accepting it.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:20 pm No yeet and i dont accept and yeet alison tomorrow i think wins it

I seem to remember I made several posts on exactly this =p

But my children are too kind and well behaved. I'm proud of that too! <3

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:54 pm Yes, kindness is siliness, what to do when you have a heart ?
@Dyslexicon @Syn
@Hyena @Long Con @Justplayingitcool @Kylemii @tutuu it was a stressful last day, we found each other but we didn't win because we are kind people
I love you folks!

I knew is broken to kill a villager

I don't want the word on the street to be that I'm kind

Gg, Michelle! Always a pleasure to play with you. I'm happy I found you after getting to interact with you a bit, if a bit heated at that moment. =p

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:51 pm ok so I skimmed Tim's ISO and his last few posts were saying to exe tutuu and Syn and when Dizzy asked how many bargainees I had (trying to figure out how close I was to winning) he dismissed it as helping the wolves by turning the thread's attention to irrelevant setup spec that was never going to go anywhere

so probably not great to be flaming the town for losing here

Lol

I should be a stricter mom.

The moral is clear: If your name is too good or too bad as a dog name, you should be yeeted asap.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:14 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:12 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:11 pm but really, i'm glad you were entertained by the spectacle, c4! I've never had more fun getting steamrolled.

So do you guys... usually start whole DnD games in the middle of your mafia?

Is that not standard?

My home community is pretty unorthodox, guess there are some things we need to update. We don't even force wolves to talk in Simpsons quotes.

But you do do dog name suitability lists that turns out to be accurate for finding mafia too?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:13 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:11 pm I agree with the things you point out, Alison. Martin obvious town. How come we are never town together? Space invaders, lion king and now this? Rude.

Host rerands the game every time that happens because it's too unbalanced.

Lol, would be like me running around in uneven circles, trying to express my feelings, and you being “What Dizzy actually means is...” =p

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:13 pm Also, I'm slightly dismayed that I wasn't given more credit for my hard-defends in scum/spec chat >:(

I'm joking. Kinda. But seriously! I'm glad that I prolonged a mis-yeet to happening much later and the other never got deleted.

I loved your play. <3

I love the concept of measuring game length in radioheads. I think I prefer games that are like just below half a radiohead.

I agree with the things you point out, Alison. Martin obvious town. How come we are never town together? Space invaders, lion king and now this? Rude.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:48 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:45 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:40 pm I thought I would be turbo'd when 112 flipped hostile 3P with a very similar win condition to mine. I also thought I would be mech outed by the no exe plan - those were close shaves. TSP violating the post restriction and getting modkilled (which is what I assumed happened?) was good for me also.

I actually think that helped you. It made it slightly likelier the other was benign imo.

But in the end I just knew we were all town and nothing else made sense.

I’m a bit disappointed I wasn’t able to be more direct or bossy with it. I’m noisy, but not so directory. Something to improve, but it’s also just my personality.

I wish you had been more bossy, at least towards me. ;-; I probably would've listened to you more. Sorry again for tunneling so much.

No worries. <3

To be honest, it’s really tough for town to make the leap to “3p inherited the NK” when it’s a hidden mechanic.

Where I’ve seen it before, it’s announced that 3p inherits if mafia dies in the OP, so it’s not a strange leap you have to make.

Ironically, I did what you said, Hyena, and solved independently of mech, and looked around and came to the conclusion that we were all just town. Town who really wanted to sacrifice and be nice to Alison lol

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:46 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:43 pm We had a crazy amount of clears

how annoying

I think the general takeaway here is this: If everyone alive seems really really town, kill the claimed not town person.

Shocking. =p

Gg! Good night!

BUT more importantly, wtf happened to Wilgy’s result??? -=p

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:40 pm I thought I would be turbo'd when 112 flipped hostile 3P with a very similar win condition to mine. I also thought I would be mech outed by the no exe plan - those were close shaves. TSP violating the post restriction and getting modkilled (which is what I assumed happened?) was good for me also.

I actually think that helped you. It made it slightly likelier the other was benign imo.

But in the end I just knew we were all town and nothing else made sense.

I’m a bit disappointed I wasn’t able to be more direct or bossy with it. I’m noisy, but not so directory. Something to improve, but it’s also just my personality.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:36 pm I will say that this game was interesting because it involved me making heavy use of two tactics that I almost never use as scum: hard afking for long stretches of time and lots of AtE. I do think it demonstrates why sentiment has no place in a game of deception and Dizzy was right to say that town shouldn't be letting a 3P win just out of gratitude or emotion when it might sabotage their own win condition.

I guess I’m as anti-sentimental when it comes to games as you. =p

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:37 pm No yeet would have resulted in a town loss too.

Not if Tutu didn’t accept.

I even wrote “I accept with a heavy heart” when I accepted the bargain. I knew it was wrong. But in the end, we didn’t quite get there.

Only five mafia was a bit of a surprise.

Both a great and greatly stupid game! We love.

My no yeet plan would’ve worked. =p

Next time I’ll be 100 times more bossy and believe I have the right to. =p

Very stupid ending, but fun game!

Town did well overall except the huge mistake in the end. Well done, everyone.

Thanks for the game, Epi and Dunya <3

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:23 pm Dizzy was correct about virtually everything I just had to gaslight him and the rest of the thread into not believing it. Rest of the game was just me afking. When dunia told me I was going to inherit the mafia nightkill I didn't know who to shoot because I wasn't following the thread. I just shot Jack because he was flipped town and I didn't realize that TSP was a doctor because I wasn't reading.

I never believed you. Look at my last read list. I knew we were all town. I just get shy about being too bossy.

But yeah. I would’ve done exactly the same as you in your position. Every game I’ve been scum 3p, I’ve claimed D1 and won. So well done.

But rather awful of town. Oh well, tragically comical.

Not to say I told you so, but I fucking told you so.
Town completing scums wincon by sacrificing.

Sorry for not screaming louder about it.

Congrats @Alison

1000 posts!

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:58 pm If it turns out we're just waiting for alison to win after all this time then I'd just find that funny

Well, yeah. But also what the fuck guys I TOLD YOU I TOLD YOU I TOLD YOU.

But also biggest lol. Game of "champions"

I am enjoying this gif parade though.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:55 pm i really dont like this

I don't know. I feel funny that we as town accomplished a 3p wincon when we can't for the life of us understand who the last mafia is and even don't know if there is one.

I wish I was, Syn. If I was scum, town would've lost by now.

Well, at least Alison wins. So at least somebody will win this game. What a relief.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:49 pmI love how im more likely to be town than the double green-checked tutuu

Right? Do we feel the insanity?

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:48 pm Idk whos scum dizzy im just pressing buttons

But it's definitely not Alison, right?

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:46 pm But there should be no votes on no yeet or anyone else so we know for sure michelle has used her power as opposed to otheer vote manipulation

I think everyone should vote michelle just to be sure

Sure...

But like...

Tutu, you can see that Michelle is town, can't you?

If Michelle shoots LC for some reason, I'll block Syn, just so you guys know and still will have the result if I die.
If LC lives he can track me, and my result will live on that way. @Long Con

Kyle 100 % town
JPIC 99 % town
Michelle 97 % town
Tutu 95 % town
LC 95 % town
Hyena 95 % town
Syn 95 % town
Alison 100 % 3p.

I feel dumb. I feel so dumb. I really don't understand. Maybe I'm just that bad or wolf is doing that good. But I really can't see how anyone of us has even a piece of a good case.

I'm voting no yeet. People can scream and laugh about it after the game, but I really have absolutely no fucking clue where to go here. Like no clue at all.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:37 pm my entire plan is/was centered on clearing you and michelle lol wtf

That's fine. Afaic we're both cleared.
Also, it's a minor inconvenience to my block. Trying to track the person that definitely will use their action is logically weird to me. But it's also ok, I accept it, I can get tracked. Apparently it's needed.

But I still don't see who is scum here. I don't believe it's Hyena now. I really really doubt Michelle is scum here, I think this is way outside her scum range and her power could've been used for shenanigans for scum earlier. If it's not you then ........LC and Tutu are left who are both green checked.

And Alison is left as a weird game mechanic option. I don't know.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:36 pm as far as I know the plan is still to deflect onto me so there's no need to get mad that it's not me

because it will be me

I'm not mad that it's not you. I'm mad that this whole thing is fucked right now.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:35 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:34 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:32 pmif by jumped at the opportunity you mean "if everyone else agrees, sure," then yeah totally

Yes, that is what I meant. You did accept it. I don't know. That is fact.

If you're town and you're able to say I'm the most likely scum, you're no "better".

What are we even doing here?

where did I say you're most likely scum

you don't have to make things up to tinfoil me

You literally said that somewhere, I'm pretty sure. But it doesn't even matter to me.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:35 pm i want to yeet tutuu.

has it really come to this

Mind meld and that is crazy.

And then people don't understand why I'm worried about the claimed non-town. When a double green checked player ends up being my biggest "suspect".

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:32 pmif by jumped at the opportunity you mean "if everyone else agrees, sure," then yeah totally

Yes, that is what I meant. You did accept it. I don't know. That is fact.

If you're town and you're able to say I'm the most likely scum, you're no "better".

What are we even doing here?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:29 pm i gotta go do stuff, legacy reads in case i die:

you guys got this have fun and do ur best

You know, I feel this.

And I'm sorry if I'm being confusing/running in a circle, but that is exactly how I feel.

We may lose this in a surprising way. But we may be ok too.
Best case now is that there is one (1) mafia left and we can find them.
Worst case, Alison just wins now. Anticlimatic and a bit dumb, but also ok. 3p snags happen.
Weeeeird case is if there's two scum left. That would be confusing. The only pair that makes any sense for that for me is LC and Syn, but that is probably at less than 1 % chance in my head.

I'd even be ok with Tutu, but not an option. Jeez. It has come to this.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:24 pmIt’s possible that it could be lynch bait? Would the mods make it purposefully ominous if alison was bad?

Uhhhahh. I don't know. I don't know. Alison has good arguments too. But would they make it ominous if Alison is good? Why more likely one over the other?

I do not know.

I don't like how Syn so quickly jumped at the opportunity to have Hyena go before him. That is what I'm sitting with now.