The Syndicate

Same

I'm hoping it's Achro, but I'm not really counting on it. Wilgy looks better to me now

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:44 pmi’ve seen him do the exact thing 20+ times when he really doesn’t know and doesn’t care, rondo town

Alright, I'll trust you

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:48 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:46 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:45 pm Hello, I have read nothing.

one mafia left, how do you feel about that?

Just checked the OP and, uh. Don't know what happened but I feel bad for the wolves. We probably shouldn't get complacent regardless, but man, being the last wolf in this situation must really suck.

TL;DR of why Achro is getting votes rn? Would also appreciate an explanation of what happened with Tommy, if we know at all.

We don't know, just a mod kill

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:45 pm Hello, I have read nothing.

Town is winning this, so you have that to look forward to if you are town. Would rather make it happen quickly though

Tommy and Porscha are flipped wolves. A good place to start might be their respective ISOs which you can find in the OP.

And welcome to the game!

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:25 am

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:06 pm why didn’t mafia kill

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:08 pm OH YEAH THIS ISN’T MOUNTAINOUS

i'll allow the derp clear

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:45 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:49 pm

Tommy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:31 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:28 pm talk more, ur being scumread (SR) for not talking enough @Tommy

I’m sorry but this game barely started and there is absolutely nothing for me to contribute

in thread coaching... Tommy apologising to teammate for throwing or apologising to friend for playing bad?

yeah that's possible but like someone else (sorry I forget) said, there's also the possibility that it's t!lucy trying to help their friend who is a new player

unsure if I believe w!lucy would interact that way with w!tommy so publicly this way when they'd have a wolf chat to do coaching in?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:30 am lucy - think the interactions with tommy just spew them town and regardless of that, lucy strong TR for me on their own merit

@Seanzie Lucy may be the weakest, but I think these are true/TMI takes. I also read Tommy's iso, and I basically agree with Porscha's take on their interaction. It doesn't look teamed and Porscha probably TMI-ed that. I think Porscha was probably pretty TMI-y

Tommy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:56 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:54 pm btw this day 1 is always ending in dead rondo no matter what

Explain beloved

rondo as town = disruptive, difficult to understand, causes town to wolfread him, gives wolves cover
rondo as wolf = disruptive, difficult to understand, causes town to wolfread him, gives wolves cover

Whats rondo

Tommy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:30 pm Ohhh rondo is a player

@lucy Are you sure Tommy doesn't do this with a teammate? Cause it looks really weird

Porscha iso looks good for Wilgy, Sean, Lucy and Vivax

I'm sure 5 people did a Porscha spew post already, but those be my takeaways

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:59 pm Just found out my week is going to be way more hectic than anticipated. Theres no way I'll be able to catch up and keep up, and I will be a liability as things develop down the stretch.

Should I ask for sub this deep into game, or do you guys wanna lynch me?

I'm fine with either.

I think you should take the sub question up with the hosts and not us

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:16 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:36 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:28 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:27 pm Actually Ender too. Why Ender?

Current grasp on the game is that Tommy flipped W and during a skim about 20 pages ago there was an argument towards Porscha and I was like "well that sounds good, but I have no means of knowing of it's legitimate or not."

Well my ender read is a bit complicated and has a lot do to with people either being shielded or town reading a lot of other slots. Porscha had a possible slip on Mac early day 1 but most agree she has looked better today. Flanders is a "every time we wagon someone they look good so let's try this" with results pending.

So I did see abit about Ender voting me. Felt like some low hanging fruit which feels off for their slot. I don't know if I'd associate Ender with that.

How'd you speak on Porscha's interactions with Tommy?

Flanders being a bus jumper was never indicative of a W Flanders as far as I know of them.

@DrWilgy What did you mean by the orange?

I was looking for data to validate my Porscha read. Achro seemed to be the most immediate to share their thoughts re their position in a way that I could comprehend, so I asked if they had any Ideas re the interactions of the dead wolf and Porscha.

I don't think I actually got a response to this one.

So did you know he had commented on their compatibility already on D1?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:36 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:28 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:27 pm Actually Ender too. Why Ender?

Current grasp on the game is that Tommy flipped W and during a skim about 20 pages ago there was an argument towards Porscha and I was like "well that sounds good, but I have no means of knowing of it's legitimate or not."

Well my ender read is a bit complicated and has a lot do to with people either being shielded or town reading a lot of other slots. Porscha had a possible slip on Mac early day 1 but most agree she has looked better today. Flanders is a "every time we wagon someone they look good so let's try this" with results pending.

So I did see abit about Ender voting me. Felt like some low hanging fruit which feels off for their slot. I don't know if I'd associate Ender with that.

How'd you speak on Porscha's interactions with Tommy?

Flanders being a bus jumper was never indicative of a W Flanders as far as I know of them.

@DrWilgy What did you mean by the orange?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:09 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:07 pm However, fact remains that Achro spent a good deal of going after Porscha while defending Tommy. That is weird in itself if Achro is mafia. And I would think that if the plan was to bus one and defend the other that you would want to do it the other way around considering Tommy barely posted?

Like, I've had Achro/Porscha unaligned for most of the game

And where did they end up d2

I mean, true

Ironic that last EoD I just wanted to chop Achro, and now everyone else wants to chop Achro but I don't. But maybe you're right

However, fact remains that Achro spent a good deal of going after Porscha while defending Tommy. That is weird in itself if Achro is mafia. And I would think that if the plan was to bus one and defend the other that you would want to do it the other way around considering Tommy barely posted?

Like, I've had Achro/Porscha unaligned for most of the game

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:41 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:38 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:29 am FWIW I don't feel good about Porscha/Tommy being a team just based off the almost mocking way Porscha asked Tommy for their FM experience after Tommy was like 'oh Rondo is a player'

can you pull quotes

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:07 am

Tommy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:30 pm Ohhh rondo is a player

how much FM have you played

I just found something so sincere in this question that my mind immediately went 'not aligned' tbh

Ok, I don't like this at all though

Reading got boring so I'm just going to talk about where I'm at after Porscha flip

I see Achro being the leading wagon, but I don't think it's him. Why would w!Achro protect Tommy D1 only to go after Porscha though? That doesn't make sense. Pretty a lot of his D1 was doing exactly that

I was thinking Wilgy wouldn't be the type of player to come in right before EoD to try and save their partner, but maybe they would. Wilgy would be the easy solution here. I saw Nook shielding them, but didn't grasp why

I agree with Mac's argument that the Axe kill doesn't come from Nook. And in any case, Nook has voted mafia both days. Nook can bus for sure, but I don't really think there's any end game for Nook here as mafia.

I think Porscha spewed both Mac and Sean town with the whole "Sean's read is wrong" thing.

Sabi doc

Vivax town unless he has a history of bussing. I remember him calling attention to Porscha on D2.

I don't think Ender decides to not self pres if teamed with Porscha, especially since Porscha vote him. That just seems weird. And I think Ender is town anyway

I'm sure I had a reason to clear Lucy as well

Rondo voting Porscha there over Ender is possible, but I think unlikely. I think he could get away with voting Ender there since he was voting Ender at an earlier point. I actually don't know what Rondo would do, but couple this with Lucy's read on Tommy's ISO, Rondo is probably just town

I did read something about Flanders being unaligned too? But I don't recall what it was. Haven't paid great attention to him after his misspelling comments tbh

I think it should just be Wilgy tbh

Basically a lot of people it can't be, or it's very very unlikely
Sabi
Mac
Achro
Nook
Vivax
Ender

All good reasons to clear imo

Possibly others too. Haven't read Porscha's ISO yet either

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:33 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:32 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:32 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:31 am Anyway, ketchup

Saucy.

I mustard

Time to chili

So many buns

Wilgy is clearly the doc here

Sabi lackscam

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:32 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:31 am Anyway, ketchup

Saucy.

I mustard

Anyway, ketchup

Not me trying to N1 the doc

First thought, I don’t think it’s Achro anymore. His play D1 was a lot of going after Porscha while defending Tommy. Doesn’t make sense if Achro was mafia with both

I’m actually not so sure who the third would be. I also don’t really think it’s Wilgy, but I’ll reread EoD and see how I feel

A bunch of people should just be cleared though.

Anyway I’ll be around tonight to check on the things I want to

Hello, friends

[VOTE: Achro] aubergine

Actually no

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:56 pm Actually that's too close to going over, fuck, uh, [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

No plz vote Achro

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:52 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:49 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:48 pm I'd rather Porscha than Ender, but they are both very like town imo

What makes you say that?

I just think Achro is wolf, but nobody will hear this until a couple of game days probably

You really think Achro is mafia? After all this?

Omgus has a line dude lol.

It is not omgus. Remember when me and Ender wolf read Jimmy and it took us ages to get him chopped. I think this is the same thing

Caveat, but I'm beyond caring about that, which might be omgus

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:51 pm [VOTE: achro] aubergine

Ok dizzy take my vote

Yas.

Now I just have to be right

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:50 pm oh, dizzy is here

rip porscha lol

I'm voting you and not Porscha

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:49 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:48 pm I'd rather Porscha than Ender, but they are both very like town imo

What makes you say that?

I just think Achro is wolf, but nobody will hear this until a couple of game days probably

I'd rather Porscha than Ender, but they are both very like town imo

Hey, what if we chopped Achro

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:46 pm Dizzy confuses me but that's a d3 issue when she's more active

What is confusing

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:44 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:43 pm @Dyslexicon what’s ur read on me specifically

I think you're town unless with exactly Rondo, which I also think is unlikely, so town.

So you can go on the town list too, yes

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:43 pm @Dyslexicon what’s ur read on me specifically

I think you're town unless with exactly Rondo, which I also think is unlikely, so town.

I need to sleep so gl gl

Also, I saw someone argue for there being a buster on the Tommy wagon. I understand the argument, though I don't think it's great even on normal days. But keep in mind that the day was cut short, so we don't actually know were the votes would end up anyway. Speaking for myself, it's probably not unlikely that I'd move my vote again if the day had continued.

About caught up

I'll vote Achro, but I don't expect him being chopped.
Egocentric, but his case on me is just not good and the way he goes about it is also not good. He has talked mostly about me all day, and I have not been able to be around, which he knew. He simultaneously says he only has questions for me that he wants to clarify, but he has clearly been pushing for my chop.
The questions was me calling Tommy "frozen", which I wasn't actually doing. I can get misunderstand a joke. But I literally did the same mocking tone right after when I voted Porscha and I had stated that I hadn't actually read much of the game. I did not for real argue that Tommy was frozen. I don't really understand why I couldn't do this, joke or not as town anyway.
Second thing is he didn't like me exaggerating my read on Sabi. As I said I was exaggerating it in my head, because it was something I felt good about and wanted to go with. At some point on D2 I did ask myself if I really town read Sabi that much, as it was mostly a vibes read. Why I can I not do this as town? In any case, Sabi is a strong town read for me now largely because of her emotions in thread.

Ender is a bad chop. I think he's town and he probably has the best reads in the game at this point.

I don't really like the Flanders chop either. Though I do not like his vote or constant wolf read on me, the reasoning with me misspelling isn't really something I see a wolf do. I might be wrong. Also I'm curious if the misspelling he thought of was in the copy pasta meme I use lol

If Achro flips w at any point, Rondo is a possibility even if Lucy vouches for them. Go through their dynamic.

Here's my most confident town reads:
Sabi
Ender
Nanook
Mac

Nook is a read based on my experience of him and how we vibe in thread, before anyone asks.

I have other town reads too, but these are the ones I feel good about.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:35 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:28 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:01 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:00 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:58 pm So anyway boy the game sure is going well. Maybe we should realize making it personal doesn't benefit us and if we feel the need to do that maybe it's time to step away before you make other people upset with your non mafia related issues. Game thread health and all.

Not all of us have the emotional control of a Buddhist monk Achro lol

I was super pissed at points in this game I just don't allow my inner turmoil to come through in my words because it isn't appropriate or good for town to let those be typed. I did however punch a pillow.

When

When I got told to fuck off I was about to make Mac's soul leave his body before I remembered I am 35 not 20 and I don't do things like that anymore. When Lucy tried to tell me how I thought or I didn't understand how I play the game of mafia was really grating and just wrong. In general a lot of people taking the piss about how I play this game when from my point of view my solving and game state management has been a clear step above literally everyone else, which is really illustrated with the suspicion of me being "didn't want to lynch useless wolf day 1, achro bad" which is honestly just beyond the pale. Like it shows really clearly that some people just don't... get game solving at all or how there was obvious massive benefit to not piling on Tommy regardless of circumstance nor have there been many considerations or interactions of how I develop my reads.

This whole game has collectively been one bad vibe for me even though they have bright spots to the point where I am ready to shrug, say sure kill me, and then talk about it in dead chat lol. It's just not been a good vibe and I think a lot of people have an impression of me but it doesn't match up with the player who has admitted several times to having disadvantages in terms of player history and admitting I don't feel confident but I just don't think that should stand in the way of solving.

Doesn't feel like there's a lot of solving going on this game just basic reads and it's kind of beneath me which you can take however you like and shake your head at me but I've handled myself well and I know that because I know when I haven't.

We'll talk after the game, but I think you're a wolf. Sorry if wrong, then we should both work on that.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:01 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:00 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:58 pm So anyway boy the game sure is going well. Maybe we should realize making it personal doesn't benefit us and if we feel the need to do that maybe it's time to step away before you make other people upset with your non mafia related issues. Game thread health and all.

Not all of us have the emotional control of a Buddhist monk Achro lol

I was super pissed at points in this game I just don't allow my inner turmoil to come through in my words because it isn't appropriate or good for town to let those be typed. I did however punch a pillow.

When

[VOTE: Achro] aubergine

This is how I see this going. Achro will write words and not get chopped today, as I will have to go to bed at some point and not be here to not be able to get him chopped anyway. Instead Porscha is chopped, flips v, I argue with Achro all of next day about me lining up mischops and whatever else, I'm eventually chopped, and then I'll get spoiled in the graveyard and have feelings about the game.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:05 pm I read through Porscha's ISO and not interested in the wagon.

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine based on my feels D1

What D1 feels was this?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:52 pm [VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

Lol

Nook, are you voting me or "voting" me?

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:00 pmTo Dizzy, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the game state atm when you can. Especially Porscha and myself. Do you believe Porscha's wolf equity is strong? What about mine? What caused you to move on to Wilgy?

You calling my handling of you "intentional" and me trying to scum read you is fucking ironic.

But yeah, my handling of you have been intentional in ways. I noted you really trying to defend Tommy and shade Porscha on D1, it really stuck out. I think you are the type of player who would try to strongarm a thread away from your teammate, though I have no proof of that. It was also intentional for me to encourage Tommy to post, because it can only be a benefit regardless of his alignment, actually especially if mafia. So yeah, when Tommy did flip mafia, I was more suspicious of you. The link to Porscha is that obviously if Porscha is mafia, you defending Tommy and preferring Porscha doesn't make sense. What caused me to move to Wilgy was Porscha posting basically. I move my vote around a lot, typically.

I actually thought Porscha looked better in her recent posting. My read of Porscha D1 was more that her posting seemed lacklustre compared to a game I just played with her, where she was obvtown to me on D1. She had more bite in that game. Right now I'd prefer to chop you over her. But I don't know if there is support for that. And I don't know if I have the energy for it to be quite frank. But I will let people take not of the suss. I was right on JJJ being mafia in a recent game, but couldn't get him chopped anyway. Ender was also right about JJJ in that game. And I know that Ender sussed you here, though I don't know where he stands with this now. But I think that is likely happening here too. Just so you know.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:26 amSo some of the bold especially leap off to me as incredibly nuanced for someone who walks into day 2 claiming to Sabi 'I exaggerated.' Especially in the context of Ender and Vivas who Dizzy did not appear to spend nearly as much time openly defending their world view on (although they did post positively about both, which I covered last post). Like, there's nothing suspicious about just forgetting to put Sabi in one of your town reads - we all forget - but the 'coverup' here doesn't pass the smell test to me because I thought Dizzy day 1 was giving nuanced, good takes on why Sabi was a strong town read. Sure, maybe it isn't 100% and that's not a problem, but it really bugs me and it is why I am very confident that Dizzy/Sabi weren't aligned ;o

When I said I exaggerated my Sabi read, I mean for myself. I felt good about her opening and decided to run with it. And I was tickled by my own joke storyline of wanting to get her N1ed. So I exaggerated it in my own head, cause I don't really know Sabi that well and have only played one game with her. So it's possible I'm just wrong. Does that make sense?

Also, pretending to buddy someone is exactly the kind of thing I would do as mafia tbh.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:05 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:03 pm @Achromatic Why are you asking for other people's read on me if you're not going to listen to them? There are people in this game that read me decently, and some well. I often get sussed by people who don't know me as town, mind you. If I was mafia, you would town read me. There is a definite pattern here, but I don't know why I get attacked by people who don't know me pretty much every game. Pretty sure this happened in the mash we played too. Being wrongly scum read irks me to the bone, so it doesn't help my game.

I am trying to sort them as well as sort you. Asking about you is not just 'Time to solve Dizzy' but also a reflection of how other players will choose to treat your slot and the lines of thought that they give out. In the Mash game I joke scum read you day one and then day 2 I was like 'geesh stop omgusing me I made 1 post' day 2 when you had me on your ita shot list lol.

Yeah, I get that it's not all about me. But do you think there maybe is a chance that other people who know me can read me better than what you are doing here? You just don't seem very interested in listening.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:19 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:18 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:47 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:46 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:42 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:32 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:29 pm

Ah

Id say kinda half and half, most people im treating it as a day one pretty much given the unexpected end time, but im still treating axe and mac as v likely town

Thoughts on Vivax because he's my strong tr in context of Tommy

Do you have specific posts? Tommy had very few posts and I dont remember him interacting with Vivax in a clearing way

It was on Vivax side. He kept calling Tommy Matt and correcting himself. I think it's something w/w wouldn't do

Eh maybe I am crazy but in the same line of Tommy going "Who is rondo?" "Oh YOU is Rondo" I see calling someone the wrong name exactly something I would do as wolf to get a clear like this. So I dont like you clearing Vivax on this. But I can see your point

0% he does this, even if coached

I was wondering about this actually

If the team isn't exactly Lucky/Rondo, I think Lucy is v for this and Rondo probably v too then

@Achromatic Why are you asking for other people's read on me if you're not going to listen to them? There are people in this game that read me decently, and some well. I often get sussed by people who don't know me as town, mind you. If I was mafia, you would town read me. There is a definite pattern here, but I don't know why I get attacked by people who don't know me pretty much every game. Pretty sure this happened in the mash we played too. Being wrongly scum read irks me to the bone, so it doesn't help my game.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:13 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:11 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:08 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:07 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:06 pm Also dizzy is drunk because after dealing with Tommy for a day dizzy had no choice but to turn to the bottle

I don't know the exact phrasing of the meme but something something legal purposes this is a joke.

I absolutely don’t think you suspect me

And why is that friend

It doesn’t make sense to me. I’m not very interested in discussing this with you now sorry

I think you tmi'ing Tommy wolf by calling him frozen too early in the game state is a fairly straight forward accusation but sure.

All the way back to this. I wasn't actually calling Tommy Frozen. I was mocking myself not really having much reason for any vote, as I had in fact not even read much of the game at that point. If you read my post, you may be able to see the joke, as it is the same thing when I voted Porscha right after. I was just dipping my toes into the game. I don't think I've ever seriously called anyone mafia for being frozen btw.

Hello, friends. I'm home, fed and will read stuff. Can't wait.