The Syndicate

I have quite a lot of time on my hands today, and my goal is to read this whole fucking thing and come with whatever perspectives for whatever that's worth. I'm just going to pity myself some more for having the worst hangover ever.

IC getting shot lol we love to see it tbh

Nice job

If I was to vote, I’d vote Mac tbh. Or Sloonei, but that’s unfair and definitely based on nothing

I’m going to bed.

Prediction is that NAA and is town and most of the if not all people on the wagon are also town.

Good luck.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:03 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:02 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:50 pm Voting NAA is basically a policy yeet for me, since regardless of alignment NAA should never be allowed to end game.

LC town.

Don’t know if that is “consensus”

why is LC towny for that post?

I don’t think he writes that as mafia. But I don’t want to discuss it further tbh. What’s your read on LC? You know him better

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:39 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:27 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:26 pm Town:
Marmot
Nutella
Leetic

I can solve the game without reading 90 % of it. You're all n00bs. Except Radish, he's a flame thrower, and pretty hot tbh

Plus Nanook

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:40 pm Gas Station Thought of the Day:

Without looking, can anyone in the chat remember a read Nanook has put in this thread other than “Jay bad”?

No, but I know that his vote sucks.

But all of my votes sucks too, so it's only fair

Tell Me More® about your view of Nanook please and thank you

No. I haven’t read his posts. I think Marmot said he had reads and was town. I have no real opinion

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:50 pm Voting NAA is basically a policy yeet for me, since regardless of alignment NAA should never be allowed to end game.

LC town.

Don’t know if that is “consensus”

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:12 pm I haven't made it to Day 2 in my two most recent games despite not actively participating in either. The Syndicate really does hate lurkers.

At least I'm actively lurking and flaunting my gayness

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:09 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:07 pm Anyway, I still don't feel particularly inspired to get into reading today. Maybe this is just how I play D1 now. I largely don't know what's going on apart from feels. So sorry about that. I don't plan on not playing the game, but this day phase has just been bleh, and I'm tired.

Hi, welcome to radish style Mafia. You are officially a jaded vet of the game.

Yeah. Also rolling my eyes at people voting me for basically not playing. If you town read every other player in the game, then go ahead I guess. It's a very easy vote though, so be mindful of that if I don't come back and die I guess. And I won't be an easy vote if I get into the game, so mafia's chance to strike is today! Dizzy for sale!

Anyway, I still don't feel particularly inspired to get into reading today. Maybe this is just how I play D1 now. I largely don't know what's going on apart from feels. So sorry about that. I don't plan on not playing the game, but this day phase has just been bleh, and I'm tired.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:02 pm Can I get a brief summary of the main wagons so that I can attempt to weigh in on stuff?

The only one with actual clear reasoning is Mac's for questionable mech usage (but falcon is vouching for him). The rest are various shades of shrugs.

Questional mech usage is not the reason I've had to be vaguely suspicious of Mac. I just feel like he's doing the one liners shallow I'm so cool thing which he does a lot as scum. But then, I haven't actually read most of his posts, so I don't really know.

Nobody should be playing mafia at any time. We all know this.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:56 pmI mean, people disagree about how to use an ability, and that's fine.

Does it make Mac Maf?

No, and I'm not really saying that. I do think it's strange, but of course it can happen as town and mafia, sure. Haven't read many of Mac's posts, but if the vibe that it's mostly one liners, shallow takes and jokes, then that is something I associate with mafia!Mac.

@MacDougall What inspired you to vote me? Do you have an active read on me one way or another?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:40 pm Gas Station Thought of the Day:

Without looking, can anyone in the chat remember a read Nanook has put in this thread other than “Jay bad”?

No, but I know that his vote sucks.

But all of my votes sucks too, so it's only fair

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:36 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:32 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:48 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:08 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:06 amIf he wasn't, he wouldn't have checked me & got me into our chat

Why not? I understood it to be a mechanical part of your roles.

Why not what? Mac check me?


Mafia are alerted when one of us checks the other, tho our identity isn't revealed (haha, that worked out). Mac waited til I wasn't around for a chunk o' time, then checked me. Meanwhile, he was farting...which for Jay is a reason to lynch a player of Mac's calibre? Yeah, not buying it.

What is confusing to me is the wording "got me into our chat". Did Mac alert you in thread about the chat, or how did he get you in?

He got TSP to message me and remind me of the chat.

I see. That makes more sense then. Because I didn't understand what you meant by Mac getting you into the chat, from what I read of Mac's account of the role.

I also think the criticism from Ilario (and others?) is pretty valid tbh. Cause why didn't Mac just ask that and wait for you to get there before making a decision? If I was town, I definitely would've waited, if I have all day. But that's me. I understand you disagree, but I don't think it's strange at all to question that tbh.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:48 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:08 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:06 amIf he wasn't, he wouldn't have checked me & got me into our chat

Why not? I understood it to be a mechanical part of your roles.

Why not what? Mac check me?


Mafia are alerted when one of us checks the other, tho our identity isn't revealed (haha, that worked out). Mac waited til I wasn't around for a chunk o' time, then checked me. Meanwhile, he was farting...which for Jay is a reason to lynch a player of Mac's calibre? Yeah, not buying it.

What is confusing to me is the wording "got me into our chat". Did Mac alert you in thread about the chat, or how did he get you in?

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:10 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:06 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:04 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:01 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:21 am @falcon45ca Can you/did you confirm this mechanic?

Yes. Get yo dang votes off Mac

Why do you think he's town?

If he wasn't, he wouldn't have checked me & got me into our chat

Huh?

From my understanding the chat already existed BEFORE he decided to check you. If that’s the case you need to clearly outline yours roles and the sequence of events that make him clear to you.

Falcon if you can do either of the following before eod I will consider easing up on mac:

-iso and give detailed reads on 3 poe slots
-properly catch up to the game and give us a summary of where you stand
-make a proper case for someone else who should be voted instead of Mac and why

Until either of that happens I will maintain the fact that I think mac used his ability in a suboptimal way. But as of rn if you are town you’re potentially a clear and doing almost nothing with it and just wasting it.

This but less words

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:06 amIf he wasn't, he wouldn't have checked me & got me into our chat

Why not? I understood it to be a mechanical part of your roles.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:54 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:39 am I don’t really know what else to say, but that just sounds like a terrible role.

The OP does state that all roles are independent of alignment and the setup was created with this in mind.

I think this sort of thing would be accounted for tbh, or at least I have raisins for thinking so.

Yes, I understand this. But what follows flatly from what Mac is saying, is that it's possible that you rand this role and your neighbour partner just outs you as mafia from the get go, if the rand was such that Mac is town and Falcon is mafia, or example. Which to me would be bastard. But I don't know what Cindy Kate thinks is ok or not. Or maybe something something I don't know the setup. But it just sounds like a really bad mechanic to me. Don't know what to do with that, other than if Mac is town, Falcon is definitely too.

Also, I just moved regardless lol

Way ahead of you!

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:01 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:21 am @falcon45ca Can you/did you confirm this mechanic?

Yes. Get yo dang votes off Mac

Why do you think he's town?

I don’t really know what else to say, but that just sounds like a terrible role.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:33 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:18 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:55 am here it is again

Falcon and I randed neighbours
we have the same role
the role is to be able to alignment check the other one
I farted for 2 days cuz I am self resolving
Falcon posted without showing up so I checked him after 26 hrs

So if you rand this role and mafia, you are just outed D1 or possibly before the game even begins?

assuming the other person is town and snap uses it before me yes that is essentially what would happen

That sounds dumb

All of my voters know me and apparently thinks this is my scum game. Sure.

@falcon45ca Can you/did you confirm this mechanic?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:55 am here it is again

Falcon and I randed neighbours
we have the same role
the role is to be able to alignment check the other one
I farted for 2 days cuz I am self resolving
Falcon posted without showing up so I checked him after 26 hrs

So if you rand this role and mafia, you are just outed D1 or possibly before the game even begins?

peepeepoopoo

Goof Mac is often mafia Mac though. When Mac don't know what to do, Mac be goofin. Mac can totally not goof and be town when town.

Maybe this is the game Jimmay and Sloonmeister finally landed mafia together. We can only hope.

cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:46 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:44 pm Tbh, I don't really think Ilario is towny in this convo, but I also don't have much experience with them. And claim/thread/I don't even know what dictates that they're probably town. So me thinking meh to his posts is just me thinking meh. So meh. I know this post is meaningless.

after you fool illario as wolf he's much more likely to tinfoil you hard the next game, i think his approach to his read on you is villagery. for him

You're probably right. It isn't scummy for him either, so it was a pointless observation, really.

Tbh, I don't really think Ilario is towny in this convo, but I also don't have much experience with them. And claim/thread/I don't even know what dictates that they're probably town. So me thinking meh to his posts is just me thinking meh. So meh. I know this post is meaningless.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:40 pm sorry for speaking for dizzy, because i know this bothers some people, but he probably needs to save posts, and i don't, so

i don't think dizzy's contending that you should be townreading him for his body of work, only that your scumread is bad and there were in fact meaningful differences in his posting in that scumgame

Yeah I need to save posts, so that I can let people know I'm still gay later.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:36 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:31 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:28 pmFwiw I don’t think that’s true at all, I don’t remember a single case from you that game, but that could just be me misremembering since u snowed me. The point I specifically remember is when naa and marmot were trying to push me towards end of the game you pretty much popped up and more or less were like “sure lols why not” and then just voted me and went back to being afk.

Yeah, it's probably not relevant to get too deep into this discussions. What things looks like and what the intent is, are often two different things entirely. It's all wildly different to me though.

Yes and whilst that’s very true, I can’t know what you’re thinking unless you say it. You might have had brilliant reasons for all your trs this game and for your vote on Mac (and if you’re town I have no doubt that’s the case as you’re a brilliant player) , but I can’t know that unless you verbalize it. You have to see it from my point of view because it all looks the same to me unless you verbalize your thoughts and make it obvious what your intent is. It’s wildly different to you because you have tmi on your role card and what you’re thinking but I can’t figure any of that out unless you help me.

Sure. I don't have brilliant reasons at all. It's all impression and intuition at this point. If I had brilliant reasons, or at least nice sounding ones, I would probably be mafia lol. I do think my reason for town reading Nutella is pretty cool though. Don't know if it works, but I think she's kind of scared of Mac if she's mafia, so I don't think she goes out of her way to mess with him. So I made that read without having read a single Nutella post, so if it works, that's pretty cool.

In a game like this, it's probably going to be hard to have good mafia reads tbh. The solution is to chop Mac, naturally.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:28 pmFwiw I don’t think that’s true at all, I don’t remember a single case from you that game, but that could just be me misremembering since u snowed me. The point I specifically remember is when naa and marmot were trying to push me towards end of the game you pretty much popped up and more or less were like “sure lols why not” and then just voted me and went back to being afk.

Yeah, it's probably not relevant to get too deep into this discussions. What things looks like and what the intent is, are often two different things entirely. It's all wildly different to me though.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:14 pm Your votes also feel like a parallel of last game where you kinda just vote the name that everyone is saying the most and don’t really go out of your way to find why that slot is being voted or to interact with that slot in any way to find out if that slot should be being voted to begin with.

I totally interacted with the slots I voted last game, pretending like I was solving them. I even wrote the cases for why some of them should be voted. Right now I'm just voting top wagons I'm ok voting because wagons are good and cool on D1. Your read is still bad.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:13 pmThe parallel was that you came in and almost all your takes feel very consensus to me and easy reads to make. Your initial townreads were on the slots that were the most easiest slots to tr, iirc you had nutella as a tr but you said you haven’t read the game and Nutella wasn’t online when you were posting so I have no idea how you can tr a slot you supposedly haven’t read.,Your interactions with people, whilst fun and enjoyable to read doesn’t strike me as someone whose trying to solve anyone’s alignment when speaking to someone, rather just trying to vibe and survive.

First of all, I don't really know what the consensus reads are, since I haven't read much. Second, I town read Nutella for voting Mac, cause I don't think mafia Nutella votes Mac unless Mac is also mafia. They have some kind of special dynamic, if memory serves me right. Third, you're right that most of my interactions aren't trying to solve anyone. I'm pretty obviously not solving hard now, cause I don't feel like it. If I felt like it, I would read the game lol. Your read is very bad.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:05 pm my wagon are all holding in farts on the bus

How dare you accurately describe me on my way to work every day

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:00 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:52 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:39 pm Wouldn’t be surprised if dizzy is a wolf again

And yeah spf I confirm everything my hydra said

Would you be surprised if I'm town?

Not really

My initial thought when I saw you come in with that line trying to align to me and marmot was : “surely dizzy wouldn’t employ the exact same strategy as mafia twice” and that thought alone gave me pause to the idea of you being scum. But yeah I think that’s a bad reason to hold myself back from a sr, I do think there are parallels to your previous game in how you entered and how you’ve been playing the game out

There are like no parallells tbh. Which doesn't mean I can't be any alignment here. But in the game you're referring to, I actually read the game and came up with reads and reasons which I think I would've had if I was town in the same situation. This game, I've read next to nothing, I'm spouting out whatever on impression, trying to triangulate takes based on he said she said they said and random posts I come across. I gather that you/Leetic are probably town. It looked to me like Marmot was invested and doing analysis things and not just falling back on wifom and too cool for school, which is more town for Marmot. It seems there's some contention to a Marmot town read, so my impression may be wrong. So I don't really have a real read there yet until I check for myself. I don't see the parallell at all, but it's not for me to see.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:57 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:56 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:55 pm i will be vibing on and off in the thread for the next few hours if anyone has any questions for me/wants to talk about stuff

On a scale from gay to incredibly gay, how gay are you?

when it comes to the kinsey scale, im like a 19

Wow that's so gay

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:55 pm i will be vibing on and off in the thread for the next few hours if anyone has any questions for me/wants to talk about stuff

On a scale from gay to incredibly gay, how gay are you?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:48 pm I’d like to develop my view of the game with more objective reviews before the cap lifts. It’d be super to get some posts from the not-yet-shows. The continuing dialogue strikes me as a bit circular, and that’s natural without new faces. Give me your faces.

You can't handle my face!

I'm pretty ok with my vote on Mac tbh

peepeepoopoo

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:39 pm Wouldn’t be surprised if dizzy is a wolf again

And yeah spf I confirm everything my hydra said

Would you be surprised if I'm town?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:15 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:14 pm Now that I've been established as town, and nobody disagree, I can definitely leave this D1 up to you all. Gl gl!

Fartlexicon

peepeepoopoo

Now that I've been established as town, and nobody disagree, I can definitely leave this D1 up to you all. Gl gl!

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:12 pm i think the argument can be made that it's towny for dizzy to not care about looking towny (because dizzy's wolfgame, from what ive seen, is similar to mine in that he is VERY focused on how other people are perceiving him), but that's not really reasoning i feel comfortable basing a read on

Yeah, but what if WIFOM you kno
What if that was my plan all along?
I'm very clever and such
Same as you all

Tis true tho =p

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:08 pmi was firm on townreading your constellations d1 after one moment of doubt for disagreeing with some of your townreads

and i cant recall being memorably wrong on you, though i fencesit on you sometimes

though if youre town here then my townread was godlike and i declare myself a dizzy godreader

Sure, you can be the resident Dizzy reader!

(Though, I'm not sure you've been in a game where I'm mafia, but shhh)

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:01 pm dizzy/fatmo/mac/jpic all pregame guessed alexa/gorf/vandyfan as the team and some of them confbiased for fun but idt dizzy actually read finale

Only parts of it. But I did read Alexa as scum with Katze, since she wasn't really trying to get Katze chopped or defend Thunal after she made her vote. But it wasn't really a hard read, as I wasn't really hard into the game anyway.

Kind of think Alexa is town here, but haven't read most any of her post. Most of my takes are crap shoots, but crap shoots can be ok sometimes.