Lately, I've liked neither. I get more fatigued being mafia. I only like it after it's done, when I have won. Mostly.
I still like town rands many, many times better.
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Thanks!
Well, I know myself better lol
I think they can be teamed.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:17 am I can't justify my Boq townread right now and I have questionmarks but I don't think he's actively teamed with JJJ.
I don't own a cat and I haven't been outside yet today to find one.
Weird.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:10 amkeep reading. I was baiting to see if anyone would jump on you with me but nothing happened. Doesnt mean you are in the clear but it shows me that no one here right now thinks you are wolf or is willing to try to make it look that way.
Yes.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:03 amWould you like some game links?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:00 am "I'll stop my Marmot tinfoil now"
*Contemplates whether I should bother to meta dive to look if Marmot asks a million billion questions more as town or mafia, because holy shit every other post is a question about clarification or explanation*
Town or scum?
Or both perhaps?
Would you like coffee with that?
Do you think it'll help?
Would you have fun?
Have you pet a cat today?
Why'd you drop the paranoia finally?
Why are your reads so AHHHHHHHHH?
What do you think of Rond's lazy read?
Have you played mafia before?
What's your take on determinism?
Can I buy you a coffee?
What do you think of this Day 3 thus far?
Do you feel you're in your scum range?
Do you feel I'm in my scum range?
Do you feel JJJ is in his scum range?
Where do we come from?
Why are we here?
Where do we go when we die?
Is this enough questioning?
My mistake @JaggedJimmyJayDyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:52 amYou just answered me that Ender/Dizzy are not aligned when I asked for anti-alignments. Did that change right now?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:50 amIf Ender is mafia you need to be punted into the sun.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:49 amYeah, and it's not an unreasonable thought to have imo. I also thought Wilgy could be teamed with Both Alison and you, and I didn't quite trust either of you.
I don't care much if I'm punted into the sun if Ender is mafia and flips tbh
You just answered me that Ender/Dizzy are not aligned when I asked for anti-alignments. Did that change right now?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:50 amIf Ender is mafia you need to be punted into the sun.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:49 amYeah, and it's not an unreasonable thought to have imo. I also thought Wilgy could be teamed with Both Alison and you, and I didn't quite trust either of you.
Yeah, and it's not an unreasonable thought to have imo. I also thought Wilgy could be teamed with Both Alison and you, and I didn't quite trust either of you.
Because I'm struggling a lot here. I want you to town read me if you are town. I want to know if I'm just being stupid by having creepy feelings, which I'm pretty sure I am. Us not having interaction is not relevant for what's going on in my head though.
Because both kills kind of indicates you. You could fit with any of Boq/Alison/Jimmay. Ominous game state things.
No. But he also did not say that was the only reason, which is quite obvious. He said it was quite the waffle vote iirc.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:40 amIs this a good reason to vote out Wilgy?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:43 am I think his point was that he was worried that you were teamed with Wilgy. I think Marmot made a similar point. They will correct me if I'm wrong, I hope.
What about it doesn't make sense to you?Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:34 amNo not really.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:13 pmNever mind. I don't know why I struggle. Game state, you have a high chance of being mafia. Meta wise, you are breaking out of your meta if you are mafia. Does that make sense?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:11 pm @Marmot Sometimes I feel you should be at least three times more paranoid of me than you seem to be. What do you think?
Was going to ask you about this.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:13 am If I wanted I could theorize about a pretty clear-cut mafia agenda for Dizzy right now.
He doesn't feel like mafia. I'm still chewing on that. There may be nobody better at projecting the right vibes when in the wrong alignment than this guy, but the feeling is still there.
It's basically the same as your interaction analysis, and one can potentially reasonably clear people from it. But sure.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:10 amThis reflects a difference of approach between us right now. After an 0 for 2 start to the game, the only thing that matters is eliminating mafia right now, and as such I am operating less in a world of interactions and less in a world of POE and more in a world of direct solving of individual people to make the single best vote I can.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:02 am What are your possible teams and worlds right now?
Do you have anti-alingments?
Do you think Ender/Boq is a team for example?
Who would be likely to kill Sean when he just had led a mischop on Wilgy?
Off-hand given recent material, these are some dissociations that may work (I have not dug with this in mind since the chart):
Dizzy/Marmot
Ender/Alison
lucy/Marmot
Off the top of my head I wouldn't discount Ender/Boq. The former essentially ignored the latter as a candidate when he opened this phase with me at the center of his suspicion.
I think it would be easier for me to answer your last question as a "who would not" -- I really don't think the Wilgy chop has to be a huge deal in that kill dialogue. The levels of wifom are elevating a bit much here anyway. I don't think Creature is likely to endorse a Seanzie kill. Maybe lucy wouldn't.
I think that's bad idea, because I think you're both town. And we need every vote on deck. But I can't decide your vote for you. I just think that is a very weak reasoning to vote at this point. We need to hit mafia.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:09 amI dont want to vote ender. But he said he would provide a list by now. I will not likely have time to vote tomorrow morning so if he doesnt follow through with his reads and cases so I can gauge if he is town. I am more inclined to shoot first ask questions later. He would do the same to me if I promised something and didnt deliverDyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:07 amYou're wanting to vote Ender? Why?RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:04 am Ender has 30 minutes before I slam on his wagon and go to bed
You're wanting to vote Ender? Why?RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:04 am Ender has 30 minutes before I slam on his wagon and go to bed
What are your possible teams and worlds right now?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:00 am As a general statement: I think that some of the broader game state concerns connected to the Seanzie kill may be disrespectful to Seanzie's town game. He was broadly town read by most of the field, and he was a firecracker. Sometimes that's all you need to explain a kill. I do think there's room for some morphing of the game state, and my current posture on Boq reflects that I sense a problem of some kind -- but I don't really have the view that it's a kill that must change everything.
I think it's a form of AtE that can be town indicative for her, because I don't know if she's the kind of player who bothers with that kind of AtE if she really is mafia getting a lot of heat. I don't think she'd care to. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:56 amI don't recall an instance of seeing that in a past game from fingersplints. As a policy that's not something I tend to allow to move any needles, and I can't think of a good reason here.
Do you think Fingers urge to self vote is meaningful to her alignment?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:53 am I haven't been able to complete other reviews, so that's it for now. I'm not sure that time will permit me to do more this phase, but we'll see.
People I don't think are pairs.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:47 amcan you point to specific examples? Still trying to figure out forum anti pairings? Or is it exactly what I think?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:21 pm Here are some anti-teamings I plotted down while reading. Ask if they are weird
Finger/Alison
Finger/Creature
Boq/Alison
Ender/Jimmay
Marmot/Finger ?
Creature/Ender EoD1?
Ah, I see, thanks.
Where does this urge come from btw?fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:34 amWell I’m resisting the strong urge to do a personal/self vote atm; hopefully cooler heads prevail.
I think his point was that he was worried that you were teamed with Wilgy. I think Marmot made a similar point. They will correct me if I'm wrong, I hope.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:38 amThe dialogue leaves me rather titled.Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:14 am I wish I had tried to force people who ignored that exercise to do it tbh
I dont think you have been pushed hard or a lot for the cop thing so "I'm sick of hearing" is quite strong language tbh
The exercise was nice because I think it for one shows where one's mind is focused, for two it does show some associatives tbh
Separately, you had said that my choice for a "cop check" on Wilgy played into your decision to vote for Wilgy. That doesn't sit right with me. As I said before, eliminating someone is very different from a hypothetical cop ID, and treating "let's literally flip the player's role card" as a substitute is both opportunistic and it transfers some weight of blame to me for an elimination that I did not vote for.
Are you saying Marmot is suspicious here, after Creature? I thought you said Marmot was town just then?fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:34 amWell I’m resisting the strong urge to do a personal/self vote atm; hopefully cooler heads prevail.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:22 amWho are you most suspicious of right now?fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:20 amYea but you have been getting “more of no content” because of continued posts like this you have made.
Do you agree that the Sean kill says something about the game state, or do you glean anything from it at all? You mentioned still reading J town.
Creature.
Cold follow Marmot on Lucy.
I don’t know about the Sean kill. Kills always have some meaning but not necessarily obvious. What a mean by that is Sean is a solid player but not necessarily one who can easily sway the entire thread or one who can be relentless with a suspicion (like Mac) so that kill might not be from someone who he was suspecting. Plus be a set up to look like that. Don’t know.
I do agree it’s interesting choice of kill over the more obvious town, and as I said I do understand the suspicion and paranoia there now just not sure I’m ready to vote there yet
No, but I have been leaving you alone. I was talking in general terms.
Yeah, she's weird. Her observations seems counter to what is actually happening. I don't see how that is AI though.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:31 amBut I keep seeing posts like this. How are the things she is doing meaningless and yet she is confusing you too. I dont think there has been a single person in this game that hasnt been thrown by her weirdness at some point. Maybe I am just not in a compassionate mood to give anyone the benefit of the doubt but my god.
Nah, that's meaningless. Sean was viewing the thread.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:16 am Am I the only one seeing Lucy trying to @ seanzie? I can't tell if its a huge dumb tell or a fake dumb tell. I feel like I am constantly insane when reading Lucy's stuff. Someone stop me from tunneling her because I am getting mad
Will have to be later
Who are you most suspicious of right now?fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:20 amYea but you have been getting “more of no content” because of continued posts like this you have made.
They are both possible mafia. And if either of them are, their read on Creature reads more like buddying and TMI than partner-y. Probably.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:51 amThat sounds like you're scumreading both Alison and JJJ? Talk me through that.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:23 pm One of the teams that would make the most sense and be beautiful right now is Jimmay/Boq/Finger, however I have a reason for town reading Boq that I think is strong, and I also don't really think Finger is mafia.
Jimmay + Marmot also makes a lot of sense, however I town read Marmot.
I'm wondering if Creature is so called threadspewed from Alison and Jimmay. Not sure about this.
He feels like he's out of his scum range to me.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:48 amWut?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:03 pmI think he would break his scum range hard if he's mafia here tbhEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:00 pm I do think you are favouring his logical consistency and state in thread a lot more than I am
Why do you think this?Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:55 amAlison/Nate?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:32 pmAlison would bus Finger probablyDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:21 pm Here are some anti-teamings I plotted down while reading. Ask if they are weird
Finger/Alison
Finger/Creature
Boq/Alison
Ender/Jimmay
Marmot/Finger ?
Creature/Ender EoD1?
I'm sure there are more anti-alignments, and I'll take suggestions.
Lucy/Marmot probably one
Why should I see it as that? That leaves me very unsatisfied. I'd expect you to dig way more into Jimmay and Alison. You have the chance. You don't seem to have that much time constraints that you can't follow the game. I hear you on the coward thing, but please uncoward yourself if you're town here.Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:49 amSee it as "Boq has limited time and stressing and also a bit of a coward because what if he is wrong he needs to analyse more aaaaaaaa"Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:24 pm I have gripes with Alison again. Unless Fingers is mafia, she is way off.
@Boquise You're pointing out that you think there's mafia between you/Alison/Jimmay, yet I don't see you go hard in figuring out which one (or both) of Alison and Jimmay that is. What gives?
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:12 am What the hell is with all this poop talk? What is poop gate?
That's a wide enough PoE, that he would still probably work from it. However, he would adjust upon new information/content.NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:00 am Those who know Mac better, a hypothetical: on D1 he had a kill list of Dizzy/Creature/Falcon/Wilgy + Marmot. I imagine he generally expects to die N1. If he finds himself still alive D2 in this game, does he assume he's only alive because his list was wrong and start over? Or is someone on there dying?
Because Finger chose to vote Creature close to EoD 2, when she was a leading wagon with Marmot. I think it, maybe mildly, makes them unteamed.NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:49 amWhy are Finger/Creature unpaired?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:21 pm Here are some anti-teamings I plotted down while reading. Ask if they are weird
Finger/Alison
Finger/Creature
Boq/Alison
Ender/Jimmay
Marmot/Finger ?
Creature/Ender EoD1?
I've felt like you've sounded awkward sometimes, is what I mean. It's not a very useful comment. Maybe like buddying, but you "should" be more suspicious than that? I don't really think it's useful for me to explore this thoughMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:51 amI'm not even responding to you right now, what do you mean lolDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:17 pm I'm not going to tinfoil Marmot anymore. He just sounds awkward when he responds to me sometimes, and that is ok.
That is an extremely low bar to town read J for. That is completely NAI for him.NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:41 am I want to townread Jay's mounting frustration that nobody seems to be reading his walls. (Specifically that he wants people to engage with them, rather than frustration that he's not earning townreads for doing them)
Anyway, catching up on the last few pages since I was last here.