The Syndicate

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:56 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:53 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:53 am ergo fake emotions on some level
Please no.
makes one message not make sense in my pov from a malicious level, and I'm right about these reads

I have no idea what you're on about here. But I had a dream about you writing that you were ill that same night. So please do not call my concern fake. I did actually want to shield you from a vote after that, which is why I waited, so you are right about that. But I didn't want to vote Vul, because I had more reason to think him town. And I needed to get my vote down

Are you criticising me for not taking pity on your rl circumstances and voting someone who I felt was going to flip town? Like what is your actual angle here? And how does it make me not town?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:06 pm I think it bodes rather well for you that your choice of who to push here as the bottom POE is the person that I am least likely to agree with you on. That is what I need to ascertain whether you are capable of doing as mafia because if you were mafia doing this you would most likely be doing this specifically to demonstrate that your interest is in solving and not surviving which is very clever.

Mac =p

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:53 am ergo fake emotions on some level

Please no.

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:50 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:47 am
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:26 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:24 pm [VOTE: Lucy] aubergine
makes no sense to vote me here
Why?
too soon after being concerned about me

But your alignment doesn't have anything to do with my concern for your well being.

Also, you had already gone to bed and was not logged on. I did actually check that, you're right

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:51 pmshe never voted Porscha, ignore her reasoning, see the optics

I didn't vote Porscha because I was tunnelled on Achro. I also didn't try to save Porscha, I thought she was getting chopped D2 anyway.

And I was worried for you when you said you hadn't slept for 2 days. I'd be worried for anyone hearing that. It's obviously not AI, please

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:26 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:24 pm [VOTE: Lucy] aubergine
makes no sense to vote me here

Why?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:53 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:20 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:57 am tbh at the time it seemed like a panicked reaction at missing the doc and also showed them as the primary candidate likely to not have shot Rondo due to simply not believing him or knowing
I thought it lined up well with their "nanook is town, just trust me" moments the day before

Usually that comes when I find something micro to TR dizzy on and he realizes it and locks me town in turn, the fact he did it without me doing my bit made me kinda ??? but doing it for a doc read there makes a lot of sense imo?

Idk I guess ill reread it later if I have to
was unaware of these thots

@Dyslexicon you can go along way to surviving here by explaining where you think nook softed doc

I already did, but his first two posts at the beginning of D2:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:15 pm Nice

Mac lock town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:12 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:09 pm Nanook trying would he neat too
I did my job

Particularly that second one. I was wrong, but I thought Nook was doc after this

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:53 pm @Dyslexicon your thoughts would be much appreciated.

Going to work now, but you will get thots later. I don't think you should be voting me though, that's a thought

Good morning, friends.

Is it my turn lol

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

I have thoughts, but the short version is I'm down to Lucy or Vul
I could be wrong on Ender of course, I just don't think I am. And I don't think it matters much anyway
The weather is like 27 (or 80 plus for you Muricans with your Murican measurements) in Oslo this weekend, and my goal is to not be inside a lot.
I kind of want this game to wrap up and hope we can do that today.
I'm fairly happy with my two people PoE rn
I also liked Everything, everywhere, all at once tbh. I have pretentious friends who were critical, but sometimes I think it's lame to think things are lame. I enjoyed it a lot. I like when people are able to make heavy things feel light and fun

Lucy, you should sleep. I'm worried about you now

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:43 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:39 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:33 am Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.
One time I found a letter written in code on my balcony. I don't know how it got there and I still haven't cracked the code. I should give it another go tbh
That sounds interesting.

One time I housed a French fugitive or something in the house for a night. Left me two Euros and a lot of thanks in a letter that made me realize what he was.
No, nothing spicy.

Aw. It's like Les Mis, except less singing. I presume

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:43 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:43 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:35 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:32 amWhat if that first post is TMI?
If he's mafia, it probably is. I don't think assuming Mac N1 kill is particularly meaningful in itself though
Mac WAS the N1 kill
If Ender wasnt shielding you I would slam you for trying to cast doubt on that

I didn't cast doubt on that lol. You are constantly misunderstanding me and missing the point. Calm down, Rondor

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:33 am Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

One time I found a letter written in code on my balcony. I don't know how it got there and I still haven't cracked the code. I should give it another go tbh

From my admittedly brief experience with Vivax, he vibes much closer to town than mafia here for what it's worth

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:32 amWhat if that first post is TMI?

If he's mafia, it probably is. I don't think assuming Mac N1 kill is particularly meaningful in itself though

If I just take what I have right now, I think my PoE is Vul/Nook/Lucy, well aware that two of these are town

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:20 am Honestly if Porscha was actually trying to save herself then I would've expected her to go in harder if she was actually pushing a villager but that's not super important

Maybe, but also no

One thing I don't like about Nook, and without trying to make this into and omgus fest, is how he's been having me in his PoE. It seems like a random pick, because he argued for it not being Ender because Ender doesn't kill Axe, but apparently I do?

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:55 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:51 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:39 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:08 pm With the disclaimer that I haven't read 99% of posts in the thread, this is my list of optimal chops in no particular order (anyone off the list isn't viable for today):

Enderwiggin
Porscha
Achromatic
Vivax
DrWilgy

Each have pros and cons, and variable amounts of information potential.
Nook was also not on Axe's radar. And I don't think Nook kills Axe unless he's worried about Axe specifically. I don't really know how worried or not Nook would be as mafia, but Axe didn't focus on Nook
If I look at this list and who took a stance between Ender/Porscha, Wilgy and Vivax are the only one remaining

@Vivax What are your thoughts on bus drivers?
Generally? You said it's not your meta to bus, I'll have to take you at your word for it and no one has challenged that.
Hot pick for busser would probably be Nook. But it's Nook and I have no clue. Lucy later implied a bus saying something like Tommy gave her PTSD which was quoted somewhere along these pages.

For me, the PoE remains Nook/Lucy
Then there's doctor reads on Nook so I'd go lucy here for looking like she was shielding Tommy at points.

It seemed like the moment I SRed Tommy and made a busser read on Nanook, Lucy and Sabi jumped at me to talk me out of it for newbie-slack, one of them could have been mafia seeking for help to not look alone with a bad read. They got it, but at some point there has to be a reckoning. And Sabi flipped. Alas.

I was more so wondering about your thoughts on bussing in your own play. I just asked indirectly, because Vivex vibes

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:29 am Currently thinking it's Nook but I don't have a compelling reason to think it's not Ender or Vivax (anymore)

I think this is a compelling reason for not Ender:
Don't know if you saw it or have any thoughts?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:48 am If Ender/Porscha are w/w, then why does this happen?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:31 pm God I really dont know if ender is a hit I'm a trash can at reading them the couple times we have played but they seemed to be consistent in the dizzy read and felt confident earlier is this also doable in ender's wolf range?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:31 pm If you think achro is town
and you don't have a good place to be voting
and you aren't sure Ender is town

you should be voting Ender imo
*sucks teeth* aaaaah fuck man

I dont think I'll be able to be around for eod cuz I gotta drive shortly

I'll just stick it on ender and hope for the best
These are the posts when Porscha pivots to Ender as a counter wagon to self pres. She sort of makes up a reason to do it and *sucks teeth* lol. I don't think this is her piling onto a teammate. On Ender's side, he doesn't even self pres onto Porscha, even thought she is quite far down his list. If the plan was for Porscha to vote a teammate, why not vote back to seal the distancing? Instead Ender is kind of doing his own thing

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:59 am Oh I'm just testing the vote function since I'm new to FM

Lol then how can I omgus tbh

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:58 am I was moreso interested in your order of strongest to weakest town because that's essentially what this would be in the current scenario

You'll probably get something like that later

Vul, why are you voting me, what's the story?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:56 am Dizzy can you give me a readlist

No, everyone but one is town, I'm not going to do a read list. But I have quite a handful I'm not interested in voting today and will continue researching when I'm back

People I've researched and are off the table:
Wilgy
Nook
Ender

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:52 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:51 pm I mostly prefer Tommy or Porscha as a chop

I don't really think Porscha calling Sean's read on Mac wrong is a great case against her. I think town easily say stuff like that, and I think she mentioned something about assuming Mac town anyway. I mean, if she's mafia, it probably is TMI, but I don't think it's impossible that she can say that as town. But her posts has been kind of weak and wishy-washy overall. I don't get any will to solve. The problem with Porscha is that if she's town, she is likely to become more obvious later on

Tommy is both PoE and just, he's here, but he's not contributing anything. And what he does post doesn't really give me a new town feel. It doesn't really give me anything tbh. The problem with Tommy is that if he flips and flips town, we're not really getting anywhere. But I think there's also a very decent chance he's just mafia here

In any case, would mostly like to hear more from both Tommy and Porscha
This post is kind of wild if it's about two partners

It's kind of wild anyway actually

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:39 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:08 pm With the disclaimer that I haven't read 99% of posts in the thread, this is my list of optimal chops in no particular order (anyone off the list isn't viable for today):

Enderwiggin
Porscha
Achromatic
Vivax
DrWilgy

Each have pros and cons, and variable amounts of information potential.
Nook was also not on Axe's radar. And I don't think Nook kills Axe unless he's worried about Axe specifically. I don't really know how worried or not Nook would be as mafia, but Axe didn't focus on Nook

If I look at this list and who took a stance between Ender/Porscha, Wilgy and Vivax are the only one remaining

@Vivax What are your thoughts on bus drivers?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:48 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:40 pm Achro/Porscha not teamed
Rip

Chopping Achro was pretty dumb tbh

If Ender/Porscha are w/w, then why does this happen?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:31 pm God I really dont know if ender is a hit I'm a trash can at reading them the couple times we have played but they seemed to be consistent in the dizzy read and felt confident earlier is this also doable in ender's wolf range?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:31 pm If you think achro is town
and you don't have a good place to be voting
and you aren't sure Ender is town

you should be voting Ender imo
*sucks teeth* aaaaah fuck man

I dont think I'll be able to be around for eod cuz I gotta drive shortly

I'll just stick it on ender and hope for the best

These are the posts when Porscha pivots to Ender as a counter wagon to self pres. She sort of makes up a reason to do it and *sucks teeth* lol. I don't think this is her piling onto a teammate. On Ender's side, he doesn't even self pres onto Porscha, even thought she is quite far down his list. If the plan was for Porscha to vote a teammate, why not vote back to seal the distancing? Instead Ender is kind of doing his own thing

This wagon formation always kills wolfu

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

Nook is probably still town. Don't think I'd be interested in either Nook or Wilgy today

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:08 pm With the disclaimer that I haven't read 99% of posts in the thread, this is my list of optimal chops in no particular order (anyone off the list isn't viable for today):

Enderwiggin
Porscha
Achromatic
Vivax
DrWilgy

Each have pros and cons, and variable amounts of information potential.

Nook was also not on Axe's radar. And I don't think Nook kills Axe unless he's worried about Axe specifically. I don't really know how worried or not Nook would be as mafia, but Axe didn't focus on Nook

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:30 am Idk why but Dizzy responding to my previous slot holder's suspicion of them with essentially "you can't wolfread me, you don't know me" got me to laugh

I mean, pretty much every time I meet a new person in mafia, they wolf read me or have creepy feelings or whatever. That's why it's illegal lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:08 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:03 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:02 am Lowkey prepared to lock town wilgy
I'm curious...
I have a fairly reliable read on them I've pulled out a few times before

I think im like 5/6 with it so far, across both alignments

I'll explain it later, it hasn't really had enough time to actually lock in yet, im just applying it overeagerly

Didn't realise how early Nook read Wilgy town. This is D1

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:53 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:34 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:33 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:21 pm @MacDougall who do u think is doc
Rondo hasn't been counterclaimed so I have no reason to suspect it's anyone other than him because at this point he is literally the wolf or the doctor, so the doctor is throwing by not counterclaiming him. I have no idea why Dyslexicon is convinced that he isn't the doc when the real doc (if it were Nanook) would simply have counterclaimed and killed him right now. The doctor hiding at this point is strictly dumb if so.

I guess the mafia just thought they were being duped by Rondo and shot Sabi because of that, which is just really bad play cuz Sabi strictly dropped her claim in a situation where if she was real doc, she never would have cuz we forced Rondo to HC never rescind by punishment of death, so a doc Sabi there would have had a veritable red on him. Ergo the wolf is dumb or not really paying attention (somehow).

Anyway if the real doc does now counterclaim Rondo, I am going to preface this by saying real doc u dumb.

My POE right now is Lucy and Lucy.

Spoiler: show
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:15 pm Nice

Mac lock town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:12 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:09 pm Nanook trying would he neat too
I did my job

I thought Nook was doc from these posts here, and I just slotted him as town after that. It looks like from his reaction here that he isn't though, but I really wish he'd just say it out right cause it's just annoying and anti-town at this point. I thought both Sabi and Rondo was kind of meme and fake tbh, and that Nook would probably try to go utr so was fine with some cover, however good or bad, especially since he's had a PoE of me and Vul. No reason to counter if you think the people faking are town anyway. I thought it was kind of like the situation in the champs final, where we couldn't chop Dya because Arete was faking a green, but I knew Arete was faking and thought Dya was mafia, but instead we had to chop Monkey. It was super dumb. Except Dya wasn't mafia anyway so lol
Yeah Mac just has a solid town read on me, he keeps faking for reaction tests. He is letting me get away with the doc call and now you ruined Nanooks doc slank cover

What Doc tells the wolves exactly what they plan on doing?

Spoiler: show
legally this is sarcasm and memery. Dont kill me Mac, ty

I didn't ruin shit. I don't want to waste time potentially not going after mafia because I think they're doc, or have mafia be pretend doc cover and therefore not chop then and prolong the game unnecessarily

But I'll take it you're doc now unless Nook outright says otherwise

I don't understand the convo around Lucy. More specifically, what the slip or mistake is, or why she's acting defeatist about it. If people could stop speaking in riddles, that would be very helpful

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:35 am Haha pocked

I'm kind of tempted to punt Nanook if he isn't a PR just to honor Achro's legacy

Yeah, I should iso Nook if he isn't doc.

Must be my magnetic charm and allure tbh

How do I pocked people so and at the same time "ping" people lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:33 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:21 pm @MacDougall who do u think is doc
Rondo hasn't been counterclaimed so I have no reason to suspect it's anyone other than him because at this point he is literally the wolf or the doctor, so the doctor is throwing by not counterclaiming him. I have no idea why Dyslexicon is convinced that he isn't the doc when the real doc (if it were Nanook) would simply have counterclaimed and killed him right now. The doctor hiding at this point is strictly dumb if so.

I guess the mafia just thought they were being duped by Rondo and shot Sabi because of that, which is just really bad play cuz Sabi strictly dropped her claim in a situation where if she was real doc, she never would have cuz we forced Rondo to HC never rescind by punishment of death, so a doc Sabi there would have had a veritable red on him. Ergo the wolf is dumb or not really paying attention (somehow).

Anyway if the real doc does now counterclaim Rondo, I am going to preface this by saying real doc u dumb.

My POE right now is Lucy and Lucy.

Spoiler: show

I thought Nook was doc from these posts here, and I just slotted him as town after that. It looks like from his reaction here that he isn't though, but I really wish he'd just say it out right cause it's just annoying and anti-town at this point. I thought both Sabi and Rondo was kind of meme and fake tbh, and that Nook would probably try to go utr so was fine with some cover, however good or bad, especially since he's had a PoE of me and Vul. No reason to counter if you think the people faking are town anyway. I thought it was kind of like the situation in the champs final, where we couldn't chop Dya because Arete was faking a green, but I knew Arete was faking and thought Dya was mafia, but instead we had to chop Monkey. It was super dumb. Except Dya wasn't mafia anyway so lol

Good morning, campers

Anyway, need to sleep soon. I'll see where we're at tomorrow

Good night, friends

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:40 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:32 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:28 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:25 pm Ok, sorry to anyone who doesn't agree with this, but Nook is doc. And if he isn't, he should say so, and I'll retract my vote and start over
your suspicion is understandable and normal. But it does raise you up in my POE because I am the obvious push after Sabi flips because then you are going after the real doctor and that doesnt look good for you
If you are actually doc, you don't have anything to worry about lol. Then I'm just wasting my time talking to you
Not worried at all unless you are wolf trying to take advantage of the flip last night

I think you're missing the point, my Rondor

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:31 pm This is a strange gamestate and we need a mass claim now imo.

VT

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:28 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:25 pm Ok, sorry to anyone who doesn't agree with this, but Nook is doc. And if he isn't, he should say so, and I'll retract my vote and start over
your suspicion is understandable and normal. But it does raise you up in my POE because I am the obvious push after Sabi flips because then you are going after the real doctor and that doesnt look good for you

If you are actually doc, you don't have anything to worry about lol. Then I'm just wasting my time talking to you

Ok, sorry to anyone who doesn't agree with this, but Nook is doc. And if he isn't, he should say so, and I'll retract my vote and start over

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:12 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:09 pm It's anti-town to hold onto a doc claim because you think your reads are correct at this point in the game btw
So who is the real doc in your pov?

They can claim themselves, but they've been obvious since D2 in my mind. If I'm right you can start backtracking now

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