The Syndicate

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:38 pmBecause Dizzy and JJJ have grouped her together with me tbh

What is your take on Fingers?

I think it's mostly me. But I'm mostly over it, because Fingers seems more town to me now. The AtE got me tbh

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:49 pm It seems wolves know if they whine enough they can save themselves from being lynched

You also never answered who this was about? Who was whining as you saw it?

@Creature If you think the wolves are so comfortable, why would it be scummy to have WIM or post more? Would it not be more scummy to do exactly what you're doing, which today has been not much at all? That's what I don't get.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:33 pmMac had falcon45ca and DrWilgy in his list

The moment has passed, but I was wondering why that was on your mind right before EoD.

It "pinged" me a bit, as one says. But thinking about it, I'm probably over it.

What do you think of Jay, Alison and Boq?

Do you get anything out of the NK?

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:24 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:16 pm Who will be able to be here at EoD?

If there's any town left in this game, we need to consolidate votes at a point. I'll be around.
you can count on me commander

Let's openwolf together tbh

@Marmot Actually, what are your recent town and scum games?

Who will be able to be here at EoD?

If there's any town left in this game, we need to consolidate votes at a point. I'll be around.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:11 pm I also cannot keep up with the questions, and I also have been made to feel “useless” for my posting.

They might still receive my actual vote as well as the sympathy, but it’s giving me pause because I feel your struggle Creature.

I've had no issue with you being behind or not having time enough to keep up, and have tried reading you regardless.

@JaggedJimmyJay I don't take much issue with Boq's Wilgy vote by the way. I also voted Wilgy for nebulous not so good reasons.

@Creature You said earlier yourself that you were suspicious of Jay. Why do you now have a problem with me and Ender voting there?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:57 pmBeing critical of his play is fine, I just don't like seeing a person being described as useless.

I didn't do that. It's not him as a person.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:58 pmYou all ask many questions and I can't keep them all

I asked you one question and I pinged you twice.

Do not complain and whine about my play if you're not even willing to pretend to work with us.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:37 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:47 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:32 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:23 pm We've been following Mac's legacy list so far though
What was this thought about by the by?
@Creature
@Creature You never answered this. And where the fuck are you?

Creature, please answer

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:00 pmIt feels like you and Ender are voting together on everything and the two most notable votes you both did were on DrWilgy (flipped town) and me. Therefore I'm really suspicious you both are openwolfing.

That's nice.
I followed Sean on Wilgy.
I'm was voting Jimmay with Ender now, before you popped in.

So I am wolf for voting town. Got it.

What if I'm town voting town? Can you describe who I should be voting instead and why?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:04 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:01 pm Ok, so Boq is probably town.
I have decided this is the case btw

When catching up for real, I'm not sure on this anymore.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:42 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:34 pm I’ve never seem Creature be this useless as town
Let's please not describe players in this way

It's within context of this game.

He's been lazily throwing my name around for a while with nothing to it.

I have asked him direct questions which he hasn't answered.

His whining is so over the top, I really hope it's fake.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:40 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:34 pm I’ve never seem Creature be this useless as town
I feel like you're only voting town and openwolfing so far

Cool. So you should give an account for who is town, why, and who is not, and save this game.

Or else I'll just win while openwolving, and what would be terrible, right?

Go.

I’ve never seem Creature be this useless as town

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:25 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:25 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:24 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:21 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:20 pm This thread feels like wolves' party
what does that mean
idk

I'm looking at a lot of posts and keep thinking "this could be a wolf with high WIM" especially after we already mislynched twice.
Name names.
lucy is one I went through

Dyslexicon feels like another

Stop me

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:21 pmDo you think we're crazy for trying to elim in Boq/Alison/JJJ today? It feels like the thread is moving that way.

Not at all. I just said I would like Alison/Jay wagons. I'm not up for a Boq chop though.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:18 pm She is starting to receive more heat, but I mean in general this game she has not received much.

She received votes from me and Boq on D2. Which is a bit more than what I would say for Jay tbh.

But I get it. You don't want to vote Jay. You think he's a scape goat and town. Noted.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:01 pm And also, what do you think about L
Alison in general?

I think her direction has been overall pretty bad. I didn't like a lot of her posts at the start of the game, but think they've been ok otherwise. Thing is, she's a bit more meh and floaty than I'd expect her to be as mafia. But I don't know if that's a good expectation, probably not tbh. I recall suspecting her in a game we were both town, and she ended up omgusing me hard, or we both did. That was different circumstances though. All in all, I really don't know. I suspect bad direction, and that is bad in itself. My impressions of her are pretty vague, if you can't tell

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:00 pmI mean, someone who isn't caught up and peaks at the poll doesn't know that

I've already explained it. Boq/jjj/Alison keep getting mentioned as a group, and Jay is taking most of the heat of that group

Boq had taken some.

Alison has taken next to none.

What do you think about that

I think Alison is taking just as much rn actually.

Anyway, I want Alison to actually be here.

I'm not at all convinced by Jay

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:43 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:35 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:34 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:33 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:33 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:32 pm @Marmot Why did you vote Jimmay when you clearly didn't want to?
Fleabag
What does that mean?

No, I'm really asking.
There was a point in Fleabag where Jay took multiple votes at the end of a day phase in the form of a flashwagon. I took the opportunity to support it to make it look like it had some serious momentum, both to gauge Jay's reaction, and to gauge the thread's reaction to seeing him as a wagon.

Jay's reaction at the time I found townie. I already thought he was town (which I was right), so perhaps I had conf-biased myself, but I thought it was a potentially useful exercise nonetheless. I don't remember much else from that event.

Seeing momentum here, I thought it could be useful to try said tactic again. Jay does look like he's had momentum building on him since mid Day 2 or so. I however think he's still performed just fine under that pressure.

Also, as I've said before, I think Jay is turning into the fallguy for the heat being put on the towncore, and I believe that makes it more likely a miss.

Wat.

That was a complete meme wagon, and Jimmay was never going over in that game.

Whereas here, the suspicion on him is very real.

Do you expect him to perform bad under pressure as mafia more?

Why do you have that feeling, that he's the fallguy? Ender and me have pressured him, Alison to a lesser degree.

@NateTheLesser You seem to suspect both Creature and Fingers. What do you think of my reasoning for them being anti-teamed, with Fingers jumping on Creature near EoD2 instead of the competing wagon, Marmot?

I might be legit crazy, but I think my PoE is Jimmay/Alison/Marmot/Creature

Unless I'm just very wrong, and it's like Ender/Fingers and someone. I just don't think it is.

Don't hold me to this.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:34 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:33 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:33 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:32 pm @Marmot Why did you vote Jimmay when you clearly didn't want to?
Fleabag
What does that mean?

No, I'm really asking.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:33 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:32 pm @Marmot Why did you vote Jimmay when you clearly didn't want to?
Fleabag

What does that mean?

[VOTE: Jimmay] aubergine

@Marmot Why did you vote Jimmay when you clearly didn't want to?

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:27 pmI saw you bring it up with Fingersplints and JJJ, it seemed important to your view of the gamestate.

I guess. I wouldn't say I'm stuck on it. Mac's kill is less surprising overall. I'm also much more upset by the Sean kill tbh

Ideally, I’d like Jimmay/Alison wagons. But I doubt I’ll get it

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:21 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:16 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:05 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:03 pm I think only Dizzy gave me a perspective on this:

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:00 am Those who know Mac better, a hypothetical: on D1 he had a kill list of Dizzy/Creature/Falcon/Wilgy + Marmot. I imagine he generally expects to die N1. If he finds himself still alive D2 in this game, does he assume he's only alive because his list was wrong and start over? Or is someone on there dying?

That's really hard to say. Mac's views of games can change severely and suddenly. Perhaps he starts there, but his solving method is chaotic and may not end there. What do you have in mind on this front?
I think NKA can be really telling in mountainous, and I'm trying not to hand-wave away Mac's death as solely "well he was dying N1 no matter what" in case there's something there. More specifically, if I'm the wolves, and I see that Mac's kill list is all misses, do I leave him alive? A forceful townie that you know is wrong can be pretty helpful. In other words, does Mac's death make it more likely that he was right about at least one of Dizzy/Creature/Marmot?
Also Dizzy seems stuck on "why would Seanzie be killed if he was loud and wrong", but not "why would Mac be killed if he was loud and wrong".

I don’t think I am. You seem much more stuck on that than me.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Boqqed and blessed

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:01 pm Ok, so Boq is probably town.

I have decided this is the case btw

Ok, so Boq is probably town.

I was trying not to think about the game baiii

I think Fingers is town, which makes @Alison’s current track record this game really bad.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:02 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:31 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:20 pm @Alison Would very much like your thoughts on Jimmay and Creature in particular
I gave them in some detail before the break; I have JJJ in my immediate POE and a comfortable townread on Creature.
@Dyslexicon

I know.

Jimmay is really only receiving heat from me and Ender tbh

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:53 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:49 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:48 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:47 am Why are the names Alison/Boq/JJJ often being tossed around together? I think I get it, in that they were unanimously townread early on, but I think Jay has had a much more significant impact on the game than either of the other two. Also Rondo and Nate have been more fairly consensus town I think than any of those three.
I have seen luc, Dizzy, and fingersplints all do this btw
So where should we be looking?
My initial thought is that yes there is a wolf in that group, but that group is being discussed together in an attempt to distract from who the actual wolf is and increase the likelihood of missing if we decide to elim in that group.

JJJ is receiving far more heat from the rest of the game than the other two, and my gut feeling is that means that JJJ is a miss.

Hmmm

Would like you to expand on this and figure out who is a hit

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:41 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:38 am If we flip town today, we probably lose. Especially if it's Jimmay and he is town.

Another pairing I could easily see is Alison/Creature. Someone look into this if you feel inspired.
All due respect my dear, but fuck that.

If I get offed today, then town better triple its efforts when I am gone. Getting mischopped is plenty irritating, but it's not even close to watching the thread pitter off into a demoralized sloth from spec chat. If I die, it's everyone's responsibility to carry my banner onward and try your best to win town the game.

I didn’t say I wouldn’t try.

What do you think of town’s chances of winning rn?

If we flip town today, we probably lose. Especially if it's Jimmay and he is town.

Another pairing I could easily see is Alison/Creature. Someone look into this if you feel inspired.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:47 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:32 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:23 pm We've been following Mac's legacy list so far though
What was this thought about by the by?
@Creature

@Creature You never answered this. And where the fuck are you?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:24 amWhenever I reread your wolf games it feels like you get less interested in proactively making thread move the further in the game it gets.

You feel inverse of that this game.

Yes I'm never using this read again now you know about it.

This is true.

You can use it again, it's not something I can control.

I have to go

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:22 am I agree with Dizzy that we feel closer to catching a wolf today than before, but looking at the wagons, I lose some of that confidence. We're spread very thin right now, and I honestly don't think Jay will go over today, which means his wagon might disperse to who knows where.

Anyway, votes look very spread, and that feels like a bad thing.

If you vote him, he might.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:19 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:17 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:15 am I've also reread Dizzy and I'm actually pretty comfortable with calling him town.
more words pls
Why?
Dizzy likes being town.

They feels obligation to play as scum and plays a mean scum game, but they don't like being scum.

Reread their ISO with that in mind.

This is fairly true, but I don't really see how that makes me town this game?
Not that I necessarily should care about this right now.

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