The Syndicate

Before I can see anyone asking though, the reason I voted off Mac was because he told me off. If Anne had been around and not Mac, I probably would've done the opposite. I'm pretty weak like that, especially since I felt generally lost/not having a good handle of the game. But it's much disappoint, because I could fully tell that Mac was playing classic scum meta Mac and nothing like town Mac. So it was stupid cowardice acting against my instincts because that's easier cause then I have no responsibility (I do but you know). Ok later

/<3 Bunny

I'm selfishly regretting not voting Mac even though I pretty much knew all game that he was scum, even D1 without really reading lol. But nice job anyway, who needs me. I don't.

Anyways, I'll have time to get even more into the game this evening as I don't have any plans. So I'll be around. Also not as stressed about being PoEed if that is the case anymore, since two mafia are down. If we assume 4 mafia, which I think we are? I'll try my best to roll my eyes silently and it will probably be a better experience for me.

If spf is mafia, Lime might be as well.

I agree with Nutella that spf is poking at the wrong things there.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:42 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:17 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:00 pmHow's that a towny post? With posts like that town isn't getting any closer to a solve

Also I don't know how many times I'll have to repeat this but the anne wagon still sucks
Well if I had great ideas, I would say so. I could make shit up also, if I was mafia.

Better to be open about being unsure than tunnelling on town all game like you are with me =)

Instead of hating everything I'm doing without trying to understand, why don't you engage with my reasons for town reading Nutella, since you are scum reading her?

I'm not the one who's voting anne for basically no reason. But go on ahead, I don't really buy arguments from other people that "x player never does this as mafia" or "b player always does this as town" because 1. people can learn from their past mistakes, 2. these arguments often reflect the biases of the person making them, and 3. a skilled player can fake all this anyway and I'd like to assume we're not bad players. JJJ was nothing like his scum game in the game I hosted where he was scum, but it didn't stop him from being scum. The reasons to scumread nutella are largely based around Jay interactions and how she dealt with the threadstate at EoD. This is more reliable because wolves can fake effort, they can fake emotion, but wolves will not generally make blatantly suboptimal plays. nutella only really defended Jay after I made it safe to do so by stating Jay was unlike his last wolf game, and the way she popped in to say she was alright with a Jay vote, but not actually change her vote in case anne picked up again, and her willingness to try to pick up an anne wagon again today with barely an acknowledgement it was confirmed to be wolfy. These are all stronger pieces of evidence against her than anything for her, and I still don't like her interaction with Esooa, and her contributions today are largely tinfoiling which doesn't help town. I also don't like how she seems to be added to the towncore alongside players like Lime Coke, Marmot, and cass who all have much stronger reasons to be townread. nutella seems like she might have an important role though, so I may be more willing to vote you or Esooa over her today, but you can't deny that nutella has had many wolfy moments this game.

Also, it's not unheard of for mafia to let town destroy itself, and given how much of a mess these past few pages are I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Nobody should be giving anybody town points for hedginesss right now.

Anyway, I'm nearly out of posts right now and probably will only post again before EoD in case of an emergency, so keep that in mind.

Eh. I think you could do better trying to walk in other people’s shoes instead of forcing your own standards on others. But that’s just a general thing that probably won’t do anything for you.

I do hear you on Nutella tbh. But I don’t think you’re correct in saying Nutella only defended Jimmay after you did. Cause she defended Jimmay at several points during D1. It’s also the specific wording that makes me think she displays a lack of tmi. She said that him being off was overblown. Like he was generally fine. I don’t think she does that as teammates, because I think Jimmay was not really fine and basically the whole game agreed he was off. Reads more like lol!nutella who is contrarian and lacks tmi. I can see your reasons, but I think they are extremely superficial.

I think your reads are bad.
But the chances you will listen to me is minimal. But at least I tried.
Why is Anne town to you?

Ok, I’ll be patient with Mac and won’t be voting there now. Thanks for clarifications.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:32 pmim more interested in seeing mac genuinely scumhunt, which i do not feel like he has

This so much. He's just saying "mafia is voting me because they want to get rid of lovers" and it's the worst. Mac can actually do stuff when he's town, and he's doing none of that here. He does a lot of treading water as mafia, which is what this looks like. But I kind of want some clarification from Falcon regarding how their role actually works, cause it's still confusing to me.

Anne and Mac would be decent alternatives for votes I guess. CONSENSUS.
I don't know how many posts I have left before post cap.
And I won't be around for EoD.
If you all decide to vote me out because the mason crews hate me, then sorry I was not of more use. Mafia is a hard game. Gl gl

Sporadically here until I fall asleep.

Also, my point about asking Mac about specifics about his role is that I think it's strange that Mac automatically assumed that mafia will be notified that they are lovers (unless of course this is explicitly said in their role, or some description points towards that. But I find that kind of weird as well). I don't know if this makes sense to anyone. I don't know if it makes sense to me either. But I feel like Mac may know how that role works for mafia because he is mafia. Or it seems like he's making a lot of assumptions around it. He's also far away from how I know him as town, and close to how I know him as scum.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:21 pmI can't quote the role but I am pretty sure the mafia get alerted when we become lovers. Notwithstanding they know now so meh.

You can't quote your role, sure, but you can claim.
I'm just wondering if it's part of your role, specifically, that mafia will be alerted that you have become lovers.
Because you were kind of assuming that.
Which I don't get why you're assuming, if it doesn't explicitly say so in your role.

This is why I want @falcon45ca to very if it's reasonable for you to assume that mafia would get the info that you two have become lovers.

And yes, they know now. And if it's not certain they would know unless you told, then why did you tell.

Also, you're being incredibly limp this game. Is there a reason why?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:12 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:10 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:40 pm @MacDougall @falcon45ca

- Does your role dictate that mafia will know when you have used the investigation AND that they will know that you become lovers?
- Would you not become lovers if you didn't use the investigate?
@MacDougall Please answer this
yeah something like that

No, be specific. And I want @falcon45ca to verify. This is important.

Does it say in your role that mafia will know you become lovers?

If you didn't become lovers without the investigate, did you ever contemplate just not using it?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:57 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:51 pm I don't have any scum reads, which is disappoint.
towny post

why'd you say "I have some bad news. I kind of think Esooa is town" though

Because if you're town as well, the whole general direction of this game is kind of fucked.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:00 pmHow's that a towny post? With posts like that town isn't getting any closer to a solve

Also I don't know how many times I'll have to repeat this but the anne wagon still sucks

Well if I had great ideas, I would say so. I could make shit up also, if I was mafia.

Better to be open about being unsure than tunnelling on town all game like you are with me =)

Instead of hating everything I'm doing without trying to understand, why don't you engage with my reasons for town reading Nutella, since you are scum reading her?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:02 pm@Dyslexicon lmao this is Stuart

I loled.

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Tried reading Jimmay's ISO again, but it's so full of nothings that it's hard to get anything out of it.
Take away was maybe I'm giving Nut too easy of a town read. But I still think it would be very weird for Nut to go ahead and defend Jimmay like that when almost everyone in thread was scum reading him. I think it's way more likely that Jimmay's teammate didn't comment much or agreed with the suspicion on him.

Yeah, I'm drawing a blank so that's cool.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:40 pm @MacDougall @falcon45ca

- Does your role dictate that mafia will know when you have used the investigation AND that they will know that you become lovers?
- Would you not become lovers if you didn't use the investigate?

@MacDougall Please answer this

None of these roles makes sense, including mine.

LiGhT rOlE mAdNeS

I don't have any scum reads, which is disappoint.

@MacDougall @falcon45ca

- Does your role dictate that mafia will know when you have used the investigation AND that they will know that you become lovers?
- Would you not become lovers if you didn't use the investigate?

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:17 pm
anne wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:51 am but uh... at least we know nutella visited someone guys!!
But nutella claimed roleblocked...

Yeah, I want this cleared up.

I have some bad news. I kind of think Esooa is town. They have some posts that are hedgy in a towny was like "I have reason to think this, but then I've experienced being wrong so often" kind of things. I read it as wanting to be correct, but also protecting yourself from being wrong. I also like how they come across in their interaction with Leetic, and I relate to the frustration about having people hate your takes when you've literally trying to take the game in at that very moment.

I'm not very familiar with any "meta" on Esooa, other than she's good as either alignment I guess. But I'd guess town here.

Has anyone meta dived on Leetic?
How sure are people that Ilario is town?
I thought his post about chopping NAA D1 was towny.

Quickly looking over Leetic and they are probably town. But their interaction with Jimmay was not good. Early weak prod that they seemed to forget about, and the late vote that I noted. But I see they answered my question about it and it seems reasonable enough.

So yeah, probably still town, but bad direction.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:42 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:21 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:02 pm this game has honestly gotten really stressful to read - i feel like there's a totally unnecessary amount of super stressed out and frustrated posts at a time when the game is in an objectively good position (and I acknowledge that I've made some similar posts myself)

to be honest I think that we need to suck up whatever infighting or tinfoils we have and just kill someone that is in the POE and needs to die before endgame, I don't really care if it's mac or NAA or w/e as long as we kill someone
Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm stressed because I don't know half of what's going on, plus, some of the people I town read (Leetic/Ilario and Falcon) has some of the legit worst takes on me I've seen in a while, and it is very frustrating. Especially since I can't at least feel like I'm on top of the game and offer more of a direction. So it's just a double fail. I'll try to tone down the frustration and focus away from said players.
All I'm doing is questioning you. If you're actually town, I'd hope you'd see why.

My reads aren't set in stone. You say you're townreading me...but you also say you've not paid any attention to my posts cuz of Mac's green check. These kind of things keep me wondering about your slot.

But I'll give you some space to hunt

What's strange about that? I have limited time and am already overwhelmed. You've been greenchecked, so I'm not prioritising scrutinising your posts, and to be real I don't really trust your judgement. You're voting me and Nutella, and it's wrong. It's unfortunate since you're very likely town. Please read what I wrote about Nutella and tell me why that's the wrong idea.

@leetic Real talk. What is your problem with me? You don't know me at all. Why did you decide to scum read me? Are you curious about anything?

Actually, making my mind up about things:

- I don't think Nutella is mafia, because she defended Jimmay in a way D1 that I don't think she does if she's mafia. She's generally a paranoid player, which I think makes her more inclined to want to be on the "right side of things" when a teammate is gaining a lot of suspicion. I've seen her lean way more in the way of distancing to partners in the past. The way she said that Jimmay being off was overblown is something I'm pretty sure Nutella doesn't say if she knows that Jimmay is mafia. It's not like Jimmay was doing all that much to keep himself in the game, why would a teammate go out of the way like that to save him. It doesn't seem like Nutella imo.

So Nutella is town. What is up with people scum reading there? That's bad imo. Hope I'm right.

I had a similar reasoning with NAA, but I need to double check that.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:02 pm this game has honestly gotten really stressful to read - i feel like there's a totally unnecessary amount of super stressed out and frustrated posts at a time when the game is in an objectively good position (and I acknowledge that I've made some similar posts myself)

to be honest I think that we need to suck up whatever infighting or tinfoils we have and just kill someone that is in the POE and needs to die before endgame, I don't really care if it's mac or NAA or w/e as long as we kill someone

Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm stressed because I don't know half of what's going on, plus, some of the people I town read (Leetic/Ilario and Falcon) has some of the legit worst takes on me I've seen in a while, and it is very frustrating. Especially since I can't at least feel like I'm on top of the game and offer more of a direction. So it's just a double fail. I'll try to tone down the frustration and focus away from said players.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:33 pm Tbh I don't find Anne's ISO scummy.
It's probably NAI since she's probably more than capable as scum, but I just don't see anything that's really scummy in it. Self deprecating, a bit. I don't even think I have that much to say about it. Maybe that how she cared about proving she was never teamed with NAA is kind of towny.

Because I don't know why she would care as mafia.

Will be back to read Esooa.

Tbh I don't find Anne's ISO scummy.
It's probably NAI since she's probably more than capable as scum, but I just don't see anything that's really scummy in it. Self deprecating, a bit. I don't even think I have that much to say about it. Maybe that how she cared about proving she was never teamed with NAA is kind of towny.

anne wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:51 am but uh... at least we know nutella visited someone guys!!

How did you get to this? Nutella said her action failed.

I see there's more information about Mac which actually does make him self resolve. So that's cool.

I don't know if I even found Calexa's ISO that towny tbh lol me. But I'm still banking on her being town so

Read Calexa's ISO. Lots of tunnelling Nut and then stopping that lol. Her style seems different here, like she's playing in a hurry or something.

@cassandra What's your PoE and why right now?

cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:00 pm I also had this on my mind as I remember it triggered something in my head and it was before the JJJ flip

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:53 pm Maybe this is the game Jimmay and Sloonmeister finally landed mafia together. We can only hope.
@Dyslexicon what triggered this anyway? I feel like Sloonei at least did not post anything to make their alignment clear so why did you think Sloonei randed with Jay rather than just Jay?

It's a thing that Jimmay and Sloonei hasn't randed scum together before, and they god read each other, so if they did, the universe would implode. It's a thing we discussed last game and many others. Also I noticed both Jimmay and Sloonei wasn't really up to standards, so it seemed like it actually could be possible.

cassandra wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:35 pm I'm kind of surprised by how confident Dizzy is that I'm town ngl

I'll use my last post later to do something productive

You were one of the main people putting Jimmay under the spotlight D1, and I also don't see the mafia benefit of town reading me for not posting on D1. It's maybe kind of a lol read, even though it works, but it seems like a weird thing to do as mafia, both because why would you need to and because I think you'd be more afraid of coming across as having tmi as mafia. It just seems legit.

What the fuck are those posts from Falcon.

The way I'm treated by some people here makes me even less able to get a hold of this game.
Like, I realise it's part of the game, but holy shit is some of this stuff plain bad.

I'm also noting that Leetic accuses me of "breaking up town consensus" or whatever, while Esooa and Ilario criticise me for following consensus. So that's cool.

Anyway, I'm town, such shock. Feels like a couple of people want to see me as scum and whatever I do, it's gets warped into fitting that. Maybe it's because the game feels hard or something and it would be easier if I was mafia, but I'm not, so you should all probably deal with that. If anyone who scum reads me is interested, they should ask why the thing they're harping on about fits with me being mafia with what they know of me, and why it doesn't fit me being town.
I'm trying the best I can to follow, but I'm missing so much of the game, so I feel it's really hard to know what I think when I'm missing so much context. So I'm quite overwhelmed. I'm going to ISO Calexa, since I'm just banking on her being town and having a better grasp of the game than I have certainly. I'll also ISO Anne. Hopefully I'll get something out of that, or at least I can sheep.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:57 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:58 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:39 am Ya know, Dizzy and I scummed together not too long ago and won. While we've played with each other before (...does that sound weird?...nah) I feel it was the first time we kinda got to know each other a bit.

The next game we played, we were both town I believe. I don't think it was on this site, maybe MafiaCafe? Dizzy had a healthy uncertainty/paranoia on my slot, which is normal and to be expected I'd say after a successful Maf campaign together.

I'm not getting any sense of that here. Not even a whiff. It's like he's content to leave my slot well the fuxk alone, which I find strange.
You’re literally confirmed town if Mac is town (and probably anyway)

Can people think for a second.

Jesus fucking christ

Sorry, but why is this even happening
If Mac is town, which you don't seem to really question like even a little bit.

Probably anyway, as in I'm my towny self? But that's true of the last game I just mentioned and you questioned my slot then. Why not now?

Why is this happening? Like, are you beyond questioning & reproach?

What. How can you say I'm not questioning that when I clearly have. This is pure bullshit.

Btw, your account for the mafia cafe game you are using as a random example is also wrong, since I town read you there and you claimed a named role, so there was also nothing to question.

Also, I have read almost none of your post beyond Mac claiming D1. I don't care much about you or your posts, as you are a claimed green check.

What the fuck even is this. Get real.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:39 am Ya know, Dizzy and I scummed together not too long ago and won. While we've played with each other before (...does that sound weird?...nah) I feel it was the first time we kinda got to know each other a bit.

The next game we played, we were both town I believe. I don't think it was on this site, maybe MafiaCafe? Dizzy had a healthy uncertainty/paranoia on my slot, which is normal and to be expected I'd say after a successful Maf campaign together.

I'm not getting any sense of that here. Not even a whiff. It's like he's content to leave my slot well the fuxk alone, which I find strange.

You’re literally confirmed town if Mac is town (and probably anyway)

Can people think for a second.

Jesus fucking christ

Sorry, but why is this even happening

Calexa, my vote is yours if I don’t get caught up. Power

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:06 am Was thinking last night that my Mac vote sucks and I should sheep Calexa or get caught up.

This because I don’t think Jimmay handles Mac that way as teammates

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:27 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:34 am [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

peepeepoopoo
[VOTE: dyslexicon] aubergine

poopoopeepee

Topical

Was thinking last night that my Mac vote sucks and I should sheep Calexa or get caught up.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:11 pm If I don't get invested, the game won't fuck with my sleep.

I'm not even that invested, but here I am and it's 7:30 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:29 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:25 am It's just that when I don't know what's going on/can't make my mind up about INSIGHTFUL TAKES, I get defensive, cause I at least don't want to be a hard town read.

Tbh, I think my current read on you can be summarized as

Spoiler: show
peepeepoopoo

This is fair.

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:25 amMy initial sr was to prompt a reaction from you, go back and check the interaction I even said you were town afterwards. Why do you get the impression I should know better though? We only have one game together and I was off on you for majority of that game? Oh ig we have constellations too if that counts. And I’m sorry if my tunnel is frustrating, I know they are but they help me get reads from slots that would otherwise be unreadable, other than saying you wouldn’t do “xyz” as mafia do you honestly think you’ve projected towniness this game to an extent that would make me putting pressure on you to be a bad idea? And it’s hard for me to take “I wouldn’t do xyz arguments as mafia” with any grain of salt because there’s an annoyingly high amount of slots this game that have used that argument, or arguments along that same mentality this game to the point where there has to be Atleast one mafia using it too.

That's the thing - you should know better than to argue that you have a legitimate read on me based on "meta", cause that is what you're using. Assumptions about my play that are totally off. I get it, I do. But it's not about I wouldn't do specific things. It's my whole approach here that just wouldn't happen. It has never happened before when I'm mafia, and if you think this is the first time, then go off I guess.

It's just that when I don't know what's going on/can't make my mind up about INSIGHTFUL TAKES, I get defensive, cause I at least don't want to be a hard town read.

One thing is certain though: This wagon formation always chops mafia!

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:19 am Fwiw Dizzy, I don't think I've played a game with you where you were town and didn't post 200 times and towntell yourself Day 1. I think that's one of the reasons I didn't have a townread on you this game.

Other have. I've done it on Cindy Kate quite a lot. You also haven't played a game with me where I was mafia and posted a lot and usually I get a really good standing if not better as mafia too. I mean, I get it, other people's perception is their truth. It's just that I actually know my game.

Aaaanyway. I should stop complaining and go to bed.

I'd sheep Calexa right now.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:19 am @leetic Why did you decide to vote Jimmay in the end? You argued against it shortly before you did vote, iirc?

@leetic

@leetic Why did you decide to vote Jimmay in the end? You argued against it shortly before you did vote, iirc?

Not saying that I feel like I'm doing great, cause I'm not. I had a theory about SPF/Lime, cause SPF asked "Why did that post make Lime town" when I town read Lime for a specific post, and that gave me so much scum!Hally vibes, as it's pretty common for "players like that" to question town reads on a teammate just like that. And I also felt SPF was hedgy on Lime from the beginning. However, how Lime has been hard town reading SPF make me think this is not the case, so all this is useless. So yeah, I haven't had a eureka moment, so I'd rather just yell at Ilario.

No shit I'm following some sort of consensus or echoing what some others may already have said, because I'm catching up on the game now. Hello.

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:44 am
cassandra wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:28 am waza i prob won't post again tonight but please tell me why dizzy is maf without using meta cuz this feels like one of your katze reads
AKA your reads where you fos someone just bc they trick you as wolf the game before or bc you know they're a good wolf
That’s not even remotely close to what happened with Katze. I read Katze correctly at the start and end of every game I’ve seen her. I misread her halfway in poisoner game because I was getting snowed by arete at that point and felt like their dynamic was super weird af which meant there was always a maf in them two. Once I reconsidered my arete read I went back to tr’ing Katze

I find dizzy scummy because I think he’s overly bothered by my sr on him. His first reaction was to call it bad but he didn’t really evaluate whether it was coming from a genuine place or not. It felt like he was more annoyed that he was being srd for what he thought was the wrong reasons more than anything else. In a macro sense he is very different to his last game, I agree, but in a micro sense I don’t think he’s all that different. I skimmed a town game of his earlier and he’s full of insightful thoughts and isn’t afraid to go against the grain. I didn’t really see that from him in his maf game where he seems more content in just sounding towny tonally and just going with the flow. Like he was cool voting mac yesterday when others were fossing mac, but didn’t really do the same to jjj. He echoed doubts on marmot right after esooa expressed doubts but not before which is weird since it seems that he feels strongly about marmot being scum. He said earlier on d1 he didn’t like my push on him so I don’t see how I’m in his trs now. His tr more or less is just very consensus-ish to me. He doesn’t reveal more of his cards then he had to because outside of his read on anne and marmot and his 3-4 trs he gave I don’t really know his thoughts on other slots which gives him a lot of wiggle room as mafia imo.

Jesus christ, there's so much wrong with this. First of all, you thought I was scummy just for existing from the get go, so saying I'm scummy now because I'm "overly bothered" is peepee. Also, why is that scum indicative for me? Guess what, it's not. I hate being scum read as town, especially by someone who should know better. What the fuck are you saying about me not evaluating if your read is coming from a genuine place? I'm town reading your slot, it's evaluated, so I'm assuming it's coming from a genuine place, which is why it's so annoying. I'm sorry I'm not "insightful" enough for you this game, though I think you're giving me way too little credit in your tunnel mind. First of all, I've read only D1, all in one go. Truthfully, I'm not all that obsessed by this game, and I'm finding it hard to make my mind up about things. (For the record, I rarely go against the grain all that much, as I'm very impressionable. You coming with anecdotes about a game is using "meta" to justify your tunnel and it's poopoo.) Anyway, I think my most "insightful" take is that Nut is probably town here, and I have reasons in my ISO. There seems to be contention. Not even sure about this read, but I think my reasons are good. I did not echo Marmot suspicion after Esooa, I had my OWN misgivings about Marmot because I started to read the fucking game and Marmot is someone I know well, and I didn't like his start to the game at all.

You're literally only seeing me from a mafia perspective because tunnel. Your reasoning is actually very terrible, to the point that it does make me question you. Why do you assume I have to have "non consensus" reads in order to be town? That is not normal for me, first of all, second, I haven't fully grasped the game, so I'm going off of consensus deliberately as well, and third is there even a consensus lol.

I know I shouldn't waste breath doing this, but can't help it. Do better. Listen to Calexa. Thanks.

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:34 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:25 am
ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:14 am Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if pg 54 is w/w from dizzy and spf the whole interaction just feels weird and neither is trying to solve each other despite actively thinking the other is wolfy and then they somehow end up on a lame anne vote
Or you could get over your omg dizzy scum thing cause it lame

Why no vote Anne?
I don’t think the vote is optimal regardless of her alignment

Anne has done 2 things that pinged me this game. The first is when she said something about her not being insightful when she’s town or whatever is normal for her. Idk if that’s her being sarcastic but the statement was just not true if she’s serious. The second was when she got worked up that jjj didn’t tr her because I don’t know why she would expect jjj to be able to read her correctly.

Other than that I have no gripes with her. I think tonally she seems town and the way she’s read people so far feels genuine from her POV. If she’s town and gets eliminated then it sets up mafia to push Nutella tomorrow which I don’t want happening.

There’s also a world where she is maf and I’m misreading her. I’m not actively worried about that world rn because if she’s maf she kinda has to keep me alive and if it gets to a point where all mafia are dead and I’m still alive and she’s alive and everyone else has called her scum then I’ll reconsider my read. It’s kinda what happened to arete in the poisoner game I played with them, I misread arete but I wasn’t too worried about it since I pushed all their teammates and all that was left was arete and a bunch of super towny people in the end.

TLDR: I could be wrong on my anne read but I don’t think it’s a game losing read if I’m wrong, I do think however that if you/spf are maf and we let you slip by in a world where anne is town then this has potential to go south for town really fast.

Fwiw I’m interested to hear more about marmot case.

Ok. I'm not very familiar with Anne, though we have played together. Your reasoning for not voting there is very you-centric lol.

My Marmot case is also on hold.
I'm unbelievably tired right now actually, so I just need to go to bed. Hopefully, I'll be able to get even more into what is happening tomorrow.

Oh, nobody else was voting Mac.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

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Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:32 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:27 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:42 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:38 pm Yeah, I noticed that too. Though it speaks more to Jimmay being scum than Anne's alignment. I mean, Jimmay could be bussing or placing a vote on a town wagon. However, if I stretch a bit perhaps, he did ask questions that was framed more as "why is Anne town?" so that might be partnery. And then coming back to vote Anne anyway, maybe after contemplating bussing. But that's speculative. But I could see it.
Yeah but why doesn't he take me and Rabbit townreading Anne as an excuse to not vote her if they're partnered? Along the lines of "These 2 think Anne is town so I'll sheep them since they're active voices and they might be town" type of thing. Like I don't see why he would say he'll "Ponder about our townread of Anne" then proceed to literally vote her like 10 minutes later. That's not really "pondering" that's just "Toss a vote on a majority wagon."
It was clear he didn't really take into account what you two were saying anyhow. But if it was a bus vote or a vote on town, I don't know. I think it could be both.
Kinda mrrr you aren't taking a real stance on it and just throwing a vote up but meh.

Well true. I haven't made my mind up. I looked at the Anne wagon, and liked the people on it. But I'm missing all of D2, which is my fault of course, but I won't be able to read it now. Contemplated changing my vote, but don't know who I'll vote then

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