The Syndicate

Oh, look, a tie!

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:16 pmOh. Hm.

Thanks for clearing that up.

That's what I'm here for I guess. =P

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:27 pmJust seems weird that she ignored what ended up being the biggest lynch wagon. (and possibly the only case that day).

I think she was around a few hours before lynch, so it would have been talked up a decent bit by then.

Actually, I don't think it did. The Soneji lynch happened close to EoD and he wasn't a big presence in the game before that. It only happened because both me and indiglo disliked Soneji's last post with the Kyle vote. I cast the first vote literally 20 minutes before day ended.

Omg - Neverwhere is viewing the thread! Hi, Neverwhere!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:20 pm Ooh I suspect Owner now.

She didn't mention Soneji at any point during her 17 posts before the lynch ended.

She DID quote, indirectly reference, and/or mention:
BWT
Epi
cbob
speedchuck
Rej
Dizzy
Neverwhere
Spacedaisy
Kylemii
Long Con

Now granted, few of these posts were focused on lynch leaders or on who has votes, but I feel like there's something conspicuous about this here.

Hmmmm. Maybe. But wouldn't one of the listed players also likely contain mafia. Cause it's like ...everyone? =P

I don't know.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:17 pmGurl you make me paranoid.

But I'm not going to vote you, and I like your response/

Gurl that's fine. But gurl, like gurl, I like that you're posting, but you have still been kind of scummy and kinda meh, no offense. So gurl, you in danger gurl.

Sloonei's post so far does not make me want to move my vote.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:12 pm Could vote Rej because of
-Duplicate Millers
-Him disappearing right after scumbro soneji got lynched

But nah. I didn't get an ill vibe from his posts.

My Miller claim was fake.

Does anyone pay attention to this game >_>

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:10 pm If there were bussers on Soneji, it was either Kylemii or a deepwolf in Indigo or Dizzy. Dizzy did the same thing in Space Force and singlehandedly won for it, so I know she's capable. I'd aim my N2 cop check at her...

IF I HAD ONE

Gurl no. In Space Force I accidentally bussed Quin because I thought the day ended later than it did. I even wrote in our BTSC that we should get the lynch to move to Dunya or even myself (because it was so close). I was completely embarrassed that it happened. Yes, it carried, me, and yes I'm a capable scum player (although I hate to play as scum). But hellooooo - I'm literally every other post in this game, I'm impatient as fuck. I'm never scum here.

The only one I can accept being a possible bus vote is Bob. But it could also be nobody.

I don't like this "maybe maybe deepwolf" thing.

Hot take: Speed will flip as independent. Boom.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:00 pmHaven't decided who to vote yet

Not that it's ever stopped me before

No. It hasn't. You mentioned that you thought Soneji had 1 or 2 bus votes. Do you still believe this? Cause if that is the case, I can't really see any reason why you wouldn't explore that more or make a case for who exactly that is.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:59 pmHoly lord

Speeeeeeed, why are you not voting anyone?

Lol. I did the same thing =P

Also, I slightly disagree with that conclusion, but ok.
I'm a bit harsh on Bob probably. He could be town, sure. Carry on.

Can Jimmay sub in for one of the no-shows and flood the thread with analysis? :3

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:36 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:35 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:32 pmGot it, sorry, as you know I wasn't around for the action.

But you know Soneji as a player, right? Do you know why he would feel compelled to come in late EoD and drop a weak vote? Just regular scummy "I'm doing something guyz"-play, or more deliberately to influence the vote count?

How many votes did he have when he voted for Kyle? Was it 2-2-2 between him, Bob, and Daisy? And Kyle had 1? Or 0?

Again - At that time there was 0 on Soneji, 2 votes on Bob, 2 votes on Daisy and 1 vote on Kyle and a bunch of others.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:32 pmGot it, sorry, as you know I wasn't around for the action.

But you know Soneji as a player, right? Do you know why he would feel compelled to come in late EoD and drop a weak vote? Just regular scummy "I'm doing something guyz"-play, or more deliberately to influence the vote count?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:22 pmI see, so cross his fingers and let the Civs hang, while putting a vote on a teammate for future reference.

That would mean him voting Kyle. I actually think that's the least likely. Why drive Kyle of all people that had one vote on them up to two votes to compete with Daisy and Bob? Seems nonsensical to me at least.

But maybe players have a more bus mentality here. I've seen that before.

I more so think that for example Bob could be scum, and Soneji made Kyle a viable wagon to compete with Bob's and Daisy's, so the chances that his teammate got lynched was smaller.

^Or switch Bob with Daisy.

It's a bit of a WIFOM point, but it's something I've considered. I just wonder whether Soneji would feel compelled to throw a weak vote on Kyle just for the sake of having a vote out there, or if there was more to it. I don't know Soneji very well.

@speedchuck, Why are you not voting anyone?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:16 pmI would say people are complacent with the Day 1 scum lynch, but such complacency should at least be accompanied by a clear path forward based on that.

We lynched the scum too early. Needed more interactions, dammit town!

Honestly, from what I've seen, mafia do better overall on this site than on my home site. I think town sometimes lack a sense of urgency and it often frustrates me. I'm not trying to playstyle police here though. I also find it genuinely interesting.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:14 pmIf he avoided voting Bob and Daisy because they're his teammates... I don't know if that makes sense. They should have been bussing by that point, right?

Why would he bus someone who only had two votes? Especially if that player was Daisy, who had two votes for absolutely no reason. All the wagons were weak as hell. The fact that he made sure to vote at all, and made Kyle effectively a competing wagon just by bringing him up to two votes may be significant.

Why did Soneji cate to vote at all if all of Kyle, Daisy and Bob are town for example?

If my LC-meter is working, I would think he is town this game.

That gives me indiglo, Kyle, Owner and LC as town.

The rest can hang =D

Soneji voted Kyle to a three way tie between him, Daisy and Bob.
The votes were very close and it was close to EoD.
The reason Soneji gave for the vote was silly.

Why did Soneji feel like he had to vote? Does Soneji make sure to definitely vote every D1? Cause he seems to be quite the AFK player, especially early. I would think he's had D1s where he doesn't vote (?)

In other words, this fact in itself may point towards either of Bob or Daisy.

Is it fair to say that there is an alarming lack of scum hunting this game? Is that normal? Cause I don't think it's normal?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:57 am I think that falls under the angle-shooting category. Cheap damn way to catch a baddie, I think we should make it one of our understood 'house rules' on Syndicate that we don't bring it up. Believe it in your own mind, no one can stop that, but don't bring it up in the thread.

Speedchuck, are you the kind of guy who busses a teammate, or tries to save?

On PerC we have a rule that we don't discuss replacement. You could do that here. *shrug*

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:32 amIt's also possibly angle-shooting?

If so, I've seen that angle-shooting in other games too. It's quite impossible to not take into account when it's known information.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:35 am Y'all epi replaced in d0, are you saying we should L
lynch him too?

Quite possibly actually.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:02 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:15 pm And the only important metric in the entire world is popularity. So let's move on.

The sadness.

Correct this to the gladness.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:15 pm And the only important metric in the entire world is popularity. So let's move on.

The sadness.

Sloonmeister, you must read, Sloonmeister.

If indiglo is scum here I would be so mindblown lol

*claims voyeur*

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:57 pm Soneji voters: Kyle, Cbob, Nutella, Dizzy, Indiglo

Anyone know the vote order offhand? Save me some lookback.

Dizzy, indiglo, nutella, cbob/kyle - don't know who voted first of the last two.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:56 pmIt was your very recent game together that Owner publicly got town cred for "casting a wide net". You have no concerns that she might be emulating this praised behaviour?

Kind of. But it's also the case that town!Owner is just town!Owner. There are things that are hard to change about your meta, even if you know about it. I certainly have things like that.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:50 pm So, Diz, you think it's three scum total?

I actually haven't thought about that at all. 13 players in the game. Could be 3 or 4 mafia. Maybe 3 mafia and some sort of 3p. OP mentions cultist.....

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:49 pmDidn't get the linki on this. This is Owner's town game, then... what does Owner's scum game look like?

More narrow. Not actually trying to think about all kinds of angles.
I probably don't read Owner perfectly, but I'm not bad at it. Likely town imo.

I'm not sold about Epi, but I don't know if I can articulate why.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:41 pmI was irked by owner earlier but having read their recent posts they seem to be casting a wide net

Owner "casting a wide net" was the exact phrasing that was used to describe why she was read town in the last game we played together. In other words, Owner is most likely town. [Insert tinfoil about Owner/Kyle team]

Hi, Kyle!

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:38 pmI remember seeing 1 cat picture. There was a cat and another cat in a box and you said something to Sloonmeister.

I want to say I've read it all, but I feel like I probably missed something. So it probably wouldn't hurt to reread it again. But that's probably after lunch and dinner and work

It's fine, it's just I think it's pretty safe to say indiglo is town from the Soneji lynch. And would expect you to think the same of me. And I'm confused about the Kyle vote, since Soneji was voting him to get up to a three way tie not long before EoD. I just wondered if you had read the stuff around the lynch.

Let's try this

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:33 pmYour semi-lack of cat pictures worries me, but it could be the different culture over here. It could make cats less acceptable...idk why. Why aren't there more cats?

PerC is more gifable.
Have you read the whole game?

I still don't understand the Kyle wagon, and I want Kyle to post moar.

Bob - GHT reads: Owner, Neverwhere, Epi, Kyle

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:17 pmSo Mac is like LoMo or less WIFOMy Belli?

A mix of LoMo and Belli actually works. But usually a lot more active.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:16 pmIt wasn't obvious. Why the trolly/gambit? You know I'm not good at picking those up.

What does scum indiglo look like?

I just felt like it, and maybe something would happen. Cause D1 was dead as a very dead horse that was kicked for too long.

I've never played with indiglo, but imo he's clearly town here, both from play and voting.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:43 pmI'm sorry; I was trying to not to hold a grudge against you about certain other things not game related that happened recently.

In my semi-emotional stage right now, I'm not sure if I can trust myself to read you properly or potentially give you the benefit of the doubt.

Yes, you have a lot of posts. (Congrats top poster, but I'm not there yet.)

I don't understand why me voting to lynch you in a different game should have an impact on this game. That is just how the cookie crumbles some times. Anyway, let's not discuss that here until that game is over. If you want to carry grudges, then that's your call I guess.

But I want to know how much of the game you have read though. The whole game?

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:37 pmhe said day vig: Sloonie

and then claimed 2 shot day vig

why would he troll that?

Cause he's Mac and it's the classic troll claim. He even pretended to shoot Sloonmeister.

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:02 pmI know Neverwhere is across the pond (so opposite time zone stuff), and has been personally busy lately. However, I've never played mafia with her, so I have no idea what her play style is like, and if her MIA-ness is indicative of anything.

So in Europe? So am I.
I'll just hope they show up soon or we get a replacement. Same for Bird.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:01 pmWhy do you ask me?

For raisins.

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] Do you think a lot of players have posting restrictions?