The Syndicate

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:07 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:07 pm [VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

I don't even care anymore, kill me Mac it doesn't matter anyways

why are you voting me, best town on MU? that's preposterous

It's for your role thing

He knows Creature, he's just being a jerk

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

I don't even care anymore, kill me Mac it doesn't matter anyways

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:56 pm Please stop shouting you're hurting my ears

OKAY

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:54 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:51 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:46 pm In most worlds you just die literally overnight to a vig shot if you're town, and if not you die today, so why the hell would you loverise me and not someone scummy that you can take down with you?

Because I can't choose bind myself to whoever I loverize until today, it's decidedly a day action. So why would I waste my action to tie myself to someone I think is mafia that's not actually a tie and just waste a glorified overnight neighbor chat when I can instead try and coordinate with people I think are town and play with the expectation that I am not going to die and can actually use my role as a benefit to town?

Why would you loverise a scummy person when you are a near certain d2 lim? Is that a real question?

YES BECAUSE YOU ASKED ME WHY I CHOOSE SOMEONE I THINK IS TOWNY IF I WAS LIKELY TO DIE OVERNIGHT

DO NOT THEN COMPLETELY IGNORE WHAT I SAID TO ASK MY WHY I DIDN'T CHOOSE SOMEONE SCUMMY IF I WAS LIKELY TO DIE TODAY, THAT IS LITERALLY CHANGING THE GOALPOSTS TO CONTINUE TO THUNDERDOME YOUR SCUMBONER ON ME, HOW ARE YOU THIS DENSE THAT YOU CANNOT SEE BEYOND YOUR TUNNEL?

im sure it would be frustrating being in your situation but you must understand that the way I play, probability oriented, renders it impossible for me to let you live given the set of scenarios surrounding you... it's nothing personal so don't think it's "cuz mac hates my guts"... i like u.

THIS IS NOTHING PROBABILITY-BASED ABOUT THIS, YOU ASKED ME A QUESTION, I GAVE YOU AN ANSWER, AND THEN YOU CRITICIZED MY RESPONSE USING A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT QUESTION THAN THE ONE YOU ASKED

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:51 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:46 pm In most worlds you just die literally overnight to a vig shot if you're town, and if not you die today, so why the hell would you loverise me and not someone scummy that you can take down with you?

Because I can't choose bind myself to whoever I loverize until today, it's decidedly a day action. So why would I waste my action to tie myself to someone I think is mafia that's not actually a tie and just waste a glorified overnight neighbor chat when I can instead try and coordinate with people I think are town and play with the expectation that I am not going to die and can actually use my role as a benefit to town?

Why would you loverise a scummy person when you are a near certain d2 lim? Is that a real question?

YES BECAUSE YOU ASKED ME WHY I CHOOSE SOMEONE I THINK IS TOWNY IF I WAS LIKELY TO DIE OVERNIGHT

DO NOT THEN COMPLETELY IGNORE WHAT I SAID TO ASK MY WHY I DIDN'T CHOOSE SOMEONE SCUMMY IF I WAS LIKELY TO DIE TODAY, THAT IS LITERALLY CHANGING THE GOALPOSTS TO CONTINUE TO THUNDERDOME YOUR SCUMBONER ON ME, HOW ARE YOU THIS DENSE THAT YOU CANNOT SEE BEYOND YOUR TUNNEL?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:45 pm You were the day 1 c/w and you loverised a hard claimed cop on day 1 "to make him not think i was mafia".

YOUR COP CLAIM CAME AFTER THE PERIOD IN THE THREAD THAT I HAD READ TO + I MADE THE CHOICE TO TARGET YOU FOR THE NEIGHBOR CHAT AT 11AM EST AND YOUR COP CLAIM CAME AFTER THE ACTION DEADLINE SO I COULDN'T CHANGE IT EVEN IF I SAW AND WANTED TO

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:46 pm In most worlds you just die literally overnight to a vig shot if you're town, and if not you die today, so why the hell would you loverise me and not someone scummy that you can take down with you?

Because I can't choose bind myself to whoever I loverize until today, it's decidedly a day action. So why would I waste my action to tie myself to someone I think is mafia that's not actually a tie and just waste a glorified overnight neighbor chat when I can instead try and coordinate with people I think are town and play with the expectation that I am not going to die and can actually use my role as a benefit to town?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:44 pm So Iawy was the counterwagon to town yesterday and probably is just mafia for that.

I end up in a hood called "love love love love" with him immediately after the day ends. I ask if he did it and he says yes.

He then explains that the role is not strictly a loveriser, he can choose to lover me or choose to target someone else n2.

Now... given Iawy is the c/w day 1, why would he target me with this role as town?

Over to you iawy.

D1 4 people get brought up as top wagons towards EoD with heat

Cape, Dennis, Iawy, Scotty

Cape/Dennis are top wagons, then Dennis drops off when Iawy/Scotty get heat and Cape/Iawy becomes top wagons.

I am town, Cape was town, Dennis was town. Guess who got entirely ignored and dropped entirely despite attracting heat at the same time? Scotty. That is my final take, if I die momentarily then it is what it is but please actually kill Scotty and Kate who is hitting insanely on Vibe Tell

Thank you

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:40 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:40 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:33 pm Yeah IAWY is almost certainly mafia but lynching IAWY today most likely means Mac dies too

1) I'm not mafia
2) Me and Mac are not lovers, he is not dying

Oh what

I am a loverizer, but we are not lovers. We literally have a glorified neighbor chat for the day and I have to specifically decide to bind us together, otherwise I choose someone else tonight and we have a neighbor chat until EoD tomorrow. We are not lovers, he is not bound to me, I wanted to talk to him and hopefully make him not think I was mafia and he refused to listen to me and now I'm about to die today and it's insanely frustrating because I didn't do anything to deserve this

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:38 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:36 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:21 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:12 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:48 pm I hop off iawy to avoid ties

iawy is mafia

Yis

[VOTE: iawy] aubergine

Changed my mind and voting here. She sees a possible easy target in me now after Alison's remark and jumped on it.

[VOTE: iawy] aubergine

he*, and I explained exactly what I'm voting you at EoD1

iawy are you maf you can tell me it'll be our secret I promise.

Hi HK, this is the first time you've acknowledge me or responded to a post of mine this entire game

I'm not mafia, I think you're mafia but that's not exactly a secret

I literally cannot stress this enough

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:33 pm Yeah IAWY is almost certainly mafia but lynching IAWY today most likely means Mac dies too

1) I'm not mafia
2) Me and Mac are not lovers, he is not dying

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:21 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:12 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:48 pm I hop off iawy to avoid ties

iawy is mafia

Yis

[VOTE: iawy] aubergine

Changed my mind and voting here. She sees a possible easy target in me now after Alison's remark and jumped on it.

[VOTE: iawy] aubergine

he*, and I explained exactly what I'm voting you at EoD1

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:01 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:54 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:51 pm Before Mac comes in here screaming for my head because he refuses to listen to me,

No, he is perfectly fine. No, he is not a hostage. No, I am not mafia. Thank you

oh yeh iawy pretended not to see me ask him to vote me and loverised me overnight so do with that what you will

And there we go, so a few things:

1) I was reading the thread and catching up, and made it very clear where I was at in the thread leading through EoD. Mac's whole "vote for me Iawy" spiel happened after the part of the thread that I got to, so I didn't see him advocating for it at all
2) Mac is not loverized, but we do have a neighbor chat for the remainder of today because this is a toxic relationship and I am breaking it off for obvious reasons
3) I picked Mac yesterday morning, long before his EoD shenanigans (since that came after the action deadline), so don't let his bias of the situation cloud how you "do with that what you will" since Mac very clearly hates my guts and made it well-known last night when he was screaming in my face

I didn't scream anything you nonsense peddler. I basically ignored you cuz you're outed mafia to me. And "Mac hates my guts" is very not true lol.

Repeating "your outed Mafia lol" to me after every single message I sent you for the first hour isn't "I basically ignored you"

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:57 pm If I gave you a gun and forced you to shoot either master radishes or Sloonei, who would you shoot?

Sloonei, his EoD vote on me was extremely mid

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:56 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:55 pm Someone sent me beans, I presume it was Dennis since his role is literally a fruit vendor who sends beans

hi Kate, this is literally the first post I've seen of yours and I read the entire game

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

please die

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:54 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:51 pm Before Mac comes in here screaming for my head because he refuses to listen to me,

No, he is perfectly fine. No, he is not a hostage. No, I am not mafia. Thank you

oh yeh iawy pretended not to see me ask him to vote me and loverised me overnight so do with that what you will

Why the fuck would you loverise Mac @Inawordyes

Because he is not loverized, it's a glorified neighbor chat until I decide to bind us together (and I'm not going to, heck no). Mac is also generally a rational person who will hear people out, so I hoped that actually getting a chance to talk to him 1-1 would help him not be so aggressively at my throat today

lol imagine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:54 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:51 pm Before Mac comes in here screaming for my head because he refuses to listen to me,

No, he is perfectly fine. No, he is not a hostage. No, I am not mafia. Thank you

oh yeh iawy pretended not to see me ask him to vote me and loverised me overnight so do with that what you will

And there we go, so a few things:

1) I was reading the thread and catching up, and made it very clear where I was at in the thread leading through EoD. Mac's whole "vote for me Iawy" spiel happened after the part of the thread that I got to, so I didn't see him advocating for it at all
2) Mac is not loverized, but we do have a neighbor chat for the remainder of today because this is a toxic relationship and I am breaking it off for obvious reasons
3) I picked Mac yesterday morning, long before his EoD shenanigans (since that came after the action deadline), so don't let his bias of the situation cloud how you "do with that what you will" since Mac very clearly hates my guts and made it well-known last night when he was screaming in my face

Someone sent me beans, I presume it was Dennis since his role is literally a fruit vendor who sends beans

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:52 pm So Sabi was a soup kill enabler of some sort or what?

Since multiple people have now flipped the same vanilla+ role, it sounds kinda like Sabi's role was a soup kill for anybody who claimed vanilla townie

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:51 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:49 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:48 pm Honestly? Not a bad night. 1 mafia down 1 3rd party down, and then 2 iffy towny.

Now the question is to sort through who the potential mafia kill is so we can do some NKA

Le petit poussin and tonystarkprime are definitely mafia kills.

I also shot TSP

How many shots did you have last night Neon?

Before Mac comes in here screaming for my head because he refuses to listen to me,

No, he is perfectly fine. No, he is not a hostage. No, I am not mafia. Thank you

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:48 pm I shot Sabi. No regrets.

great shot tbh tbh

On page 74, will just finish catching up

But I want to say, for D1 posterity, that Kate is like textbook Vibe Tell right now because I still have legitimately not seen a single post by her that I have retained as a post by her, while everybody else is talking about and around her but also forming no significant reads that they’re actually doing anything with

For those who don’t know me or what Vibe Tell is, you’ll be educated by someone who does at some point. Anyways, that’s my last contribution for the day

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:16 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:13 pm So I’m on page 68 but I see that I am almost top wagon. Can someone in the present @ me with the reasons why and also if I should just skip the next 10 pages?

Also, imagine dying d1 lmao

Also, [VOTE: Cape90] aubergine shameless self-pres without question because I am not dying today

Also, something from page 68 that I find interesting is how people are starting to pile heat onto Cape, Scotty and myself - but guess who’s not a wagon? Consolidation into two targets, on D1, out of three or more, basically gives free reign to the mafia to direct those targets towards townies and not mafia because we’re ignorant and don’t know anything so why would we know any better?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:03 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:04 pm

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:56 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:53 pm Cape/Rask, are either of you town?

sure bronana. He even told you I towntold already. But what are your reads?


brb

Scotty prob town based on initial Nutella OMGUS, I think Cape is town, I want you to be town

I think HK is unironically scummy because he’s ignoring me, I think Guillo’s reasons for thunderdoming HK are bad and -EV to hang up all his focus into it (though I understand the underlying meta reasoning) but I think Guillo is more likely at this stage to just be tunneled townie rather than scummy for the push

I want Nutella to be town but her posts are coming across very weird in a way that didn’t happen in the NPC game when she was town (her severe disinterest in playing because she got pulled in after initially being an NPC aside as it was also the same for me just in the mafia side. and she still became a top tier townie by her death as far as the thread was concerned). Precisely because of the parenthesis I’m hesitant to fully push into it, also I don’t want the point to be missed as just “oh, Iawy is OMGUS’ing Nutella’s vote on them” either, but it’s a thought that I have

I don’t expressly have a read on Sabi yet, but I keep coming back to them as a slot of note that I feel like I should be townreading, but at the same time I am holding myself back from committing to that read. I don’t know why my brain works this way to be able to give an explanation for either read

I am gonna make the Party Crashers love me whether they want to or not

This section doesn't track to me. IAWY reads HK as scummy but thinks is -EV for Guillo to tunnel HK, but "forgives" Guillo for being a tunnelled towny.

@Inawordyes Tis my reason. Plus my notes literally says "The more words, the worse"

Ah, so you misunderstood my words and I’m about to die because of it

Wouldn’t be the first time

But no, the context should be very clear that I was saying Guillo’s case and him thunderdoming HK at the expense of doing anything else was what was was -EV (and it is, I 1000% will maintain that, because tunneling yourself into a player is not good). But Guillo has a habit of doing this, so he’s not mafia just because he’s thunderdoming. It’s annoying, but it doesn’t make Guillo scum, and HK’s alignment isn’t affected by Guillo’s at all as far as my own read because I came to my read separately of Guillo (and in spite of my own dislike of Guillo’s read) for meta reasons that I have already readily stated

If you guys wanna kill me for it, that’s your prerogative. Happens quite a lot, I forgive you in advance for letting the mafia manipulate you into a mischop. I cannot offer any more at this time while I’m not caught up, but 100% can offer some lovin of the spicy-fun variety going into tomorrow. Up to you guys though, I don’t have the ability to save myself if you’ve settled on it, so I’m not gonna waste time trying

So I’m on page 68 but I see that I am almost top wagon. Can someone in the present @ me with the reasons why and also if I should just skip the next 10 pages?

Also, imagine dying d1 lmao

Also, [VOTE: Cape90] aubergine shameless self-pres without question because I am not dying today

Also, something from page 68 that I find interesting is how people are starting to pile heat onto Cape, Scotty and myself - but guess who’s not a wagon? Consolidation into two targets, on D1, out of three or more, basically gives free reign to the mafia to direct those targets towards townies and not mafia because we’re ignorant and don’t know anything so why would we know any better?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:49 am What is even more fascinating is that hollowkatt is not picking up steam, usually when im wring scum gets me what i want but this time oooooh noooo, ive been gaslit as doung guillo things, as being a tunneler etc etc, all while still admitting that they dont exactly townread HK.

Like they wanna bake the cake and eat it too.

The silence surrounding HK is also quite curious, if HK is in the “ignore what’s going on” stage (and I have like 20 pages to read so hopefully he’s come back to the thread in the interim), then the rest of the thread being in the “ignore HK” stage is also interesting, because you’re right, there should be more sus thrown at HK if he is town just because why ignore someone who’s being pushed. Even the opposite, there should be more sus thrown at you if HK is town, because it’s easy to either push at you for being wrong or just lay the groundwork of you being mafia from an HK townflip to then segue into another townflip after the fact

The apathy doesn’t bode well

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:39 am

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:28 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:02 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:19 pm townreading Golden and Iawy for haughty overwrought content is like scumreading TSP for doing nothing but shitposting. Only someone experiencing deep generational poverty would.

There’s a reason why it’s so often townie for me, and presumptuously discounting it and shaming others for considering it because it doesn’t fit your biased worldview is very -EV

Come off it IAWY I've seen you wolf and post like this enough. Saying blatantly false shit is pretty dumb.

Okay? And you think that I, as mafia, would be so bold as to make ‘blatantly false’ statements in a game where over 1/4 of the game knows me very well and can immediately fact-check me?

yes tbh

I take risks, I don’t gamble. Never try to pull a fast one on a group of statistically-smart people who don’t forgive and don’t forget and hedge your bets that they won’t notice, that’s just not smart scum play

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:02 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:19 pm townreading Golden and Iawy for haughty overwrought content is like scumreading TSP for doing nothing but shitposting. Only someone experiencing deep generational poverty would.

There’s a reason why it’s so often townie for me, and presumptuously discounting it and shaming others for considering it because it doesn’t fit your biased worldview is very -EV

Come off it IAWY I've seen you wolf and post like this enough. Saying blatantly false shit is pretty dumb.

Okay? And you think that I, as mafia, would be so bold as to make ‘blatantly false’ statements in a game where over 1/4 of the game knows me very well and can immediately fact-check me?

Is it bad that I have no idea who TonyStarkPrime is within this game and also that I cannot recall a single Kate post despite so much of discussion revolving around her and reads of her?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:22 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:17 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:24 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:49 pm Actual hot take

HK is mafia because he’s ignored me so far this game and HK never ignores me as town

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

My critical mind can't help ask you this question: What is the difference between HK ignoring you and him ignoring the game as a whole? He has basically not been around since the start of the game, and has only or pretty much only interacted with Guillo.

He was here and posting before Guillo came in IIRC and by that time I was decently active ITT. He didn’t interact with me and then basically counter-tunneled into Guillo’s case and then did nothing else before disappearing

That also probably isn’t the most town-indicative for HK because he would be able to see beyond the tunnel and let Guillo run his mouth while looking elsewhere at the same time. But W!HK can just use the fighting with Guillo as a smokescreen to make posts without actually accomplishing something

Wouldn't that just draw unnecessary attention to himself, and his lack of accomplishing any solving, if he is a wolf?

Would it? I mean, who’s been seriously talking about HK up to this moment aside from me and Guillo? Nutella mentioned voting for HK as an aside-comment that she didn’t follow through with, but that was after I voted for him

The only people who are paying attention to HK, let alone scumreading him, are me and Guillo for different reasons and we’re the ones invariably leading the charge to point the conversation towards him. So I would honestly say no, because the posts in this thread can attest that it didn’t draw attention to him

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:18 pm IAWY and Guillotine have both expressed strong ‘HK never acts this way as town’ views.

I don’t know HK at all. I’m interested in takes on:

A) are iawy and Guillo reliable readers of HK
B) do their meta points ring true to others.

I won’t toot my own horn as this is addressed to others, but I will say that me and HK have hydra’ed multiple times and there is at least one game I can readily think of over on MU where me and HK have strong V/V synergy

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:12 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:19 pm townreading Golden and Iawy for haughty overwrought content is like scumreading TSP for doing nothing but shitposting. Only someone experiencing deep generational poverty would.

There’s a reason why it’s so often townie for me, and presumptuously discounting it and shaming others for considering it because it doesn’t fit your biased worldview is very -EV

wdym "biased" worldview? He's not tunnelling you afaict so it's not confbias. Does he hold an OOG grudge or something?

He called me mafia within 10 minutes of entering the thread and every thought that he has uttered regarding me has only been digging his heels in on that read while discounting my actual content and anybody who provided an alternate read

I love Mac outside of the game, I don’t think we’re on bad terms or anything, but he’s quite clearly tunneling and looking for things that confirm his read rather than putting any real effort into considering a world where I’m not mafia

On a technical level, as I am town, any read that does not read me as town is biased against me, but “bias” in the context of that post should be read more as specifically “confirmation bias”, as that’s what he’s doing atm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:06 pm [VOTE: enderwiggin] aubergine bc dizzy is pretty and smart

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:24 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:49 pm Actual hot take

HK is mafia because he’s ignored me so far this game and HK never ignores me as town

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

My critical mind can't help ask you this question: What is the difference between HK ignoring you and him ignoring the game as a whole? He has basically not been around since the start of the game, and has only or pretty much only interacted with Guillo.

He was here and posting before Guillo came in IIRC and by that time I was decently active ITT. He didn’t interact with me and then basically counter-tunneled into Guillo’s case and then did nothing else before disappearing

That also probably isn’t the most town-indicative for HK because he would be able to see beyond the tunnel and let Guillo run his mouth while looking elsewhere at the same time. But W!HK can just use the fighting with Guillo as a smokescreen to make posts without actually accomplishing something

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:19 pm townreading Golden and Iawy for haughty overwrought content is like scumreading TSP for doing nothing but shitposting. Only someone experiencing deep generational poverty would.

There’s a reason why it’s so often townie for me, and presumptuously discounting it and shaming others for considering it because it doesn’t fit your biased worldview is very -EV

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:12 pm iawy, do u have a read on me

Who?

You’re very prominent ITT and I am paying attention to your posts, but I haven’t been able to glean a hard read from
It yet, but I will say that the fact that I can remember you and your content is a soft boding-well for your town chances, so like the mildest of townleans

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:11 pm neon/radishes w/w

Case

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:07 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:04 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:04 am Creature
Dennis
ender
golden
iawy
sig

now humouring viable towncases on the above slots

I’ll throw out the obvious towncase on me, one that you should be well-aware of by this point

The fact that people think I’m mafia on D1 makes me town. You know as well as I do that I am hyper-aware on D1 of how people come across, and I specifically look for people who are blending and know how to be active and engaged enough to beat the filter. I can’t think of a single scumrand game I’ve played in the last 1-2 years where I was scumread D1 by the majority of the players who expressed reads on me

I don’t really care to look town as town because I know I’m town and I will express myself honestly (which people just naturally distrust me when I’m telling the truth, go figure), so my meta has basically become that if you think I’m town on D1, I’m probably mafia, and if you think I’m mafia on D1, I’m probably town

shaddapi

A+ response

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:09 pm I wrote like an entire wall case on IAWY earlier. Get on my level guys.

A “hmmmmmmmmmm” is not a wall case

Tutuu wrote the wall

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:08 pm we could just be boring and #d1hk

I wouldn’t be opposed

To explain myself more, me and HK are decent internet friends, have played a lot together, and specifically play super well with and off of each other when we both rand the same alignment and as town can find each other as such. We tend to both acknowledge each other and at least FMPOV pay attention to what the other is doing in the game because if we’re both town it benefits us both to find each other because we make a formidable force as a team

In the past little while, when we end up in a W!HK / V!Iawy rand, HK has tended to alternatingly take one of two approaches:

1) focus on my posts but take subtle digs at my reads and undermine my credibility by being critical of my thoughts in a way that discredits my reliability as a narrator or a reads-maker
2) Ignore my posts entirely to avoid drawing my gaze toward the scum meta tells in his interaction posts

We are currently in a 2) world (where “HK is town and we’re interacting just fine” is either 0) or 3), take your pick), so I do think [on meta grounds] that HK is mafia here

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:00 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:57 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:50 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:47 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:46 pm [VOTE: Kate] aubergine

no

Any reasons other than liking her claim from earlier?

i think p much all her posting around then was just very inno

What's your case on iawy

I had a somewhat joke bad vibe read on him from the first page and his vibe has not improved, he's awkwardly defensive and doesn't come across as particularly solvey as he does when town, but tbf i have had trouble reading him before. My last experience with him he won as wolf in the music anni game 2 so that may be coloring it

It 100% is, but I was incredibly solvey there in a way that specifically designed in part to pocket you, so I get it, no worries

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:56 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:53 pm Cape/Rask, are either of you town?

sure bronana. He even told you I towntold already. But what are your reads?


brb

Scotty prob town based on initial Nutella OMGUS, I think Cape is town, I want you to be town

I think HK is unironically scummy because he’s ignoring me, I think Guillo’s reasons for thunderdoming HK are bad and -EV to hang up all his focus into it (though I understand the underlying meta reasoning) but I think Guillo is more likely at this stage to just be tunneled townie rather than scummy for the push

I want Nutella to be town but her posts are coming across very weird in a way that didn’t happen in the NPC game when she was town (her severe disinterest in playing because she got pulled in after initially being an NPC aside as it was also the same for me just in the mafia side. and she still became a top tier townie by her death as far as the thread was concerned). Precisely because of the parenthesis I’m hesitant to fully push into it, also I don’t want the point to be missed as just “oh, Iawy is OMGUS’ing Nutella’s vote on them” either, but it’s a thought that I have

I don’t expressly have a read on Sabi yet, but I keep coming back to them as a slot of note that I feel like I should be townreading, but at the same time I am holding myself back from committing to that read. I don’t know why my brain works this way to be able to give an explanation for either read

I am gonna make the Party Crashers love me whether they want to or not

Cape/Rask, are either of you town?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:32 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:28 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:05 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:00 pm Lock town:

Lucy
Creature

Townie vibes:
Alison
Golden
Cape
Pyxxy

Scummy:
Sig
Wilgz
Porscha
Dennis
HK
Guillo


Everyone else:
Null and forgetable

Gn

Any questions or concerns ping me

@Sabiplz Given that HK/Guillo is a hot topic of their own making, what makes them both scummy to you rather than delineating them?

Since it seems like there's 3p and scum fractions I don't think they are town but they aren't the same fraction.

HK iso is pretty bad.

Guillo is giving me Anni vibes.

Talk to me more about both

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:05 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:00 pm Lock town:

Lucy
Creature

Townie vibes:
Alison
Golden
Cape
Pyxxy

Scummy:
Sig
Wilgz
Porscha
Dennis
HK
Guillo


Everyone else:
Null and forgetable

Gn

Any questions or concerns ping me

@Sabiplz Given that HK/Guillo is a hot topic of their own making, what makes them both scummy to you rather than delineating them?

Sabi, where’s your head at?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:50 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:49 pm Actual hot take

HK is mafia because he’s ignored me so far this game and HK never ignores me as town

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

Was there supposed to be a post in here? I am only seeing a blank 1726.

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Actual hot take

HK is mafia because he’s ignored me so far this game and HK never ignores me as town

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine