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by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:25 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
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Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

[mention]Allison Taylor[/mention] Legacy reads?
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:22 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

This has been a long fucking phase
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:21 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Grumple is always town here
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:20 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

The Grumple wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:15 pm deep breaths
:dark:
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:50 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

I'll be back little bit later
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:49 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Mr. Burns wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:32 pm
Hugh Jass wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:11 pm
Spoiler: show
Mr. Burns wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:25 pm
Hugh Jass wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:37 pm
Spoiler: show
Mr. Burns wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:16 pm
Hugh Jass wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:11 am Burns isn't even trying to push her elimination or defend himself, he's passively ok with this and shading me in the process with "y'all letting Hugh decide bla bla". They prefer his death over her because then she's just going to run with the narrative of Hugh tried to eliminate me before him so he's his partner which is bullshit since I went for Burns first before Skinner insisted on her, and then the wagon consolidated. Switching is destabilizing and basically letting them control the narrative.

As I already told you earlier, Burns flip doesn't matter since there's always going to be a Hugh v Alison. She's saying I did something that I didn't so she's lying. Magically she's the only one that noticed it, also she followed me apparently even though that pinged her and there was some fuckery going. Just think for one fucking second about what she accused me of if it make any sense whatsoever. Her switch alongside Burns and Grampa, the two other people she says are Mafia, saved fucking Burns lol.

So yeah solve between her and me now 'cause I'm not doing this shit again
I'm not shading you. I am pissed about everyone letting you decide, because we're gonna lose. Me getting mischopped at LYLO (not necessarily the first LYLO, but eventually) has been the theme of this entire game. Right down to the saving me at EoD escapade to get me to F7. I'm passive because we've lost. You are so dialed in on "I have the team" that I can't talk to you. We're gonna spike Alison, finally, which is great...but she doesn't even care.

She is fucking with you, yes. Outright lying about this vote shifting; sure. She's just needling you to keep you focused. You have declared the whole team, and when her low lying packmates kill you tonight our "leader" Principle Skinner is going to follow your legacy straight down the line. You are creating the environment where Alison's victory is inevitable and the two of you are going to be watching it together from DVC and there doesn't seem to be a damn thing I can do about it.

Here's the thing...Alison and I figured out after a number of unfortunate confrontations that we just can't read each other so we can't trust each other...unless we get wolves. Kinda like Otto and Krusty, when we got through three days without a dead wolf I looked at Alison and said "you gotta go." And she should have been saying the same thing about me. She didn't because she knows I'm town. I didn't because I had no power...the bad chops and the way everyone dying at night sussed me meant there was nothing left of me but a mountain of suspicions and I had no power to do anything...even save myself really. If Allison hadn't pulled off the last minute shenanigans I'd have just died, and truthfully that would probably have been better because now I'm at LYLO and I see no way to avoid getting mischopped.

I'm finally gonna get a pelt...but of course Allison has managed to make herself so obvious now that everyone is on board for this. The only active players left are you and me, and you are going to die leaving as your final legacy "do not listen to Burns, just kill him." That's that, really.
I mean feel free to talk to me, you haven't engaged me at all nor have you engaged anyone else. I've engaged the other person I have on that team since they tried but it didn't go anywhere since the timeline they're talking about doesn't fit. If they witnessed Alison switch, Krusty would have been leading so their switch and spiciness make no sense. They actually saved their alleged strongest target.

You haven't showed this mistrust of her at all. You didn't though, when we went through 3 days without a dead wolf you were fence sitting between Krusty and Otto, and had no intention of solving her. Bart and I fought against that narrative and had her against the ropes with less than half an hour left. The vote was tied, if you had any intention of eliminating her you would have joined us there. Same with your self pres, you showed no instances of wanting to survive which makes me think you knew what was going down as it was coordinated already at the time. Alison entertained Bart and I's CFD plans, you invited with post 1887.

Your conclusions after the shenanigans of EoD4 aren't natural from a town PoV. You immediate switch onto Alison locking her as a wolf, and then mention that from that PoV, I'm her likely partner. That makes no sense. If we're together we got you tied up with Krusty. If he's our partner, he can self preserv. If he isn't, we don't care about the rand. Why aren't you trying to figure out why she switched at that moment outing herself? You were tied with Krusty, was it to save him? If so, wouldn't you solve him first? This is something you even said in post 1645 in regards to pre flip association, ironically enough about a scenario involving the both of them.
The EoD shenanigans look different from different points of view, and that's a fact. My view comes from "pretty resigned to dying here" and watching for a move from Grampa because I expected him to do something. Had no case on Allison, so really all I could do earlier was go along with "a wolf in Krusty/Otto and try to stay on the other side and see how it went. If we had gotten down to the end strokes there I would have learned Allison was wolfing a little cleaner and maybe been able to do something with the knowledge.

Unexpectedly, I got wagoned and had to look more for just not getting chopped...or at least making sure that my town flip didn't implicate the wrong people.

So, yeah, maybe from my POV things weren't as easy to follow as they were from yours.

When the day started I was all in on Allison and expecting her to go all in for mischopping me. My first read on this whole "lying about the movement" spat was that it was some sort of weird distancing thing. That moved you abruptly from my top town read into Allison co-conspirator tinfoil territory and I am genuinely sorry for that. I can't honestly say that I saw the same movements as either of you. I saw Grampa move and I moved...and at my next look Allison was there too. So I dunno.

What I do know is that every night kill in this game made zero sense...other than it removed the strong voices and made me look worse.

I can tell you that is classic Allison play, up to and including her saving me at F9 because I provide her with her surest course to the win. I see basically no way I avoid three chops in a row here, so we have been beaten and that's a fact...from my POV.
Instead of waiting for a glimmer of hope from someone that hasn't been present at all, and has missed previous EoD, why didn't you engage the players in the thread to try to not get chopped? And I'm sorry but I just can't buy the whole angle of expecting Grampa to be present a minute before EoD just because he's from the forum he's from lol.

That's a pretty quick move, especially after the EoD we just had. What was your first read on the late switching itself? Wait Grampa moved before you, and Alison after you? That's not what he's saying. What do you make of that?

GGWP I guess
I make of that basically the same thing you make of Allison. Gramps is her partner. I already accepted that. I might even be able to push that through and get to F3 before I get mischopped, and boy oh boy am I excited at that prospect.

As to engaging the people in the thread...up to the point the EoD was final I really didn't know who the wolves were. Watching votes move at EoD is probably my most relied on way to identify wolves, so I was more watching. And watching is...challenging here. That's not a complaint or a slight to the site, it just is part of the environment.
Who's the third? And lol

Weren't you seeing Bart and I in a better light than most of the players in the thread? Especially since we were the ones mostly trying to move away from the consensus and solve.
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:44 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

And yeah that quote is fucked lol
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:42 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Grampa Simpson wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:30 pm flash wagons at EOD are a legit site meta on CFC

though I don't agree with Burns's position that I can be counted on to show up at EOD for a potential flash wagon... since this is the first time I've participated in one as far as I can remember

i mean yeah I'm not going to pretend it's stellar GOAT play, but it wasn't outside the town consensus from the last time I was in-thread

and again, to my POV, I'm like 85% certain krusty was not in the lead when I switched, since if he was, there would have been no reason for me to switch, wolf or town, unless krusty were my partner

you could say hey, that's setting up for a krusty mischop the next day, okay fine, but then why did burns have to switch too??

i also don't really see how three wolves outing themselves at the same time would put them in a better position to win at mylo than just gambling on one wolf maybe being outed

your super solid lock-confirmed wolf world simply makes no sense lol

it makes more sense that a wolf baited a flash wagon, i took the bait, and burns self-pressed like anyone should, rather than all three wolves deciding "yes we should out ourselves" was the path forward when they could have simply gambled one member to get an even better result
Without checking in and talking at all? Or even calling out votes?

There was no town consensus. Only Alisons and Burns were parroting a "there has to be a wolf in Otto v Krusty". What made you participate in one this time around when you hadn't before in a place where it's supposed to meta?

Did you read the poll before voting? If so I'm not sure how you could have missed it. This isn't a PoV discussion, it's facts lol. If you saw Alison switch, and that Burns hadn't switched at the time of your vote, there were 3 votes on Krusty and only 2 on Burns. The final poll reflects it, unless a ghost had a vote on Burns.

To say that he was self preserving, why wouldn't he? It'd be much worse if he hadn't and was saved by other people late switches on their own especially since he was here. You haven't answered my question about the difference of timeline between what you two are saying.

We're not going to get anywhere with the "no gain", "why did he have to do that?" lol. It's mostly wifom, and the fact that y'all acted in what seems to be coordination outweighs any "mafia wouldn't do that/what's the motivation" angle.

In the world you're presenting, Burns is a civilian and Krusty is Mafia no? If so, why would Alison out herself at all? Krusty can self preserv on Burns and he gets chopped.
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:26 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Also Bart townread the hell out of Krusty fwiw
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:24 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

I also trust you're town much more than Krusty. Pretty locked in on Gramps/Burns 'cause of the EoD and their frozen state earlier here, one feeling spicy and the other being framed isn't really doing it for me rn lol.

Krusty would be a very very distant third pick
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:22 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

I wouldn't betray you like that
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:22 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

The Grumple wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:08 pm I'm like 40% sure we're already fucked and Hugh is just pulling some prestige bullshit on us
Lmao I swear I'm town and this is a guaranteed Mafia flip.
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:21 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Grampa Simpson wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:34 pm
Hugh Jass wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:46 pm
Grampa Simpson wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:39 pm I can't see why I would switch if Krusty was in the lead, which is why I think you're wrong
Feel free to tell me how.
Grampa Simpson wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:39 pm and I still can't get over the idea that in your layout, there is zero reason for your proposed trio to collectively switch to Otto. There is just no gain
That isn't a justification against.
Grampa Simpson wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:39 pm Allison and Krusty wolves fo sho

The third... I have no clue.
Why is Krusty fo sho?

There are only 3 others players excluding Skinner. Dive in.
that sounds like effort, and tbh I kind of checked out a couple days ago

the "how" is just that. in your proposed world, there is NO reason for Burns OR me to move, since according to your presented vote tally, an Allison switch would have forced a Krusty chop

so you're suggesting I'm a wolf because I apparently saved Krusty, yet Krusty is not a wolf in your world

so I, like, went out of my way to out myself, to get Otto chopped, and I dragged my wolf buddies with me to out themselves too? but why male models
You'll be checking out more thoroughly real soon without it.

I'm not interested in a how, the polls were exactly as I told you. Just do the inverse route after all the switching, and you'll get them. Alison switching first doesn't make any tie. No one outside of me and Bart were on Burns to give you that illusion.

Burns say you switched first, and Alison switched third. That doesn't align with your timeline, correct?

I already told you that a lack of clear reasons isn't a defense. Mafia make strange moves, and there is a way too much wifom being involved here. A Krusty chop might not have been favorable to y'all, preferring to eliminate Otto first since he was in better standing and could have been a harder misexe down the line. While on the other hand, a switch here gets you the misexe by force and also incriminate Krusty for an easy mischop later. Could also be to as well to use this same rethoric you're using. I don't know.

The one thing I know is that y'all switched all together at the last minute. In what looks like a very coordinated event. I'm calling you a wolf because of that, and because you have no good reason to justify the switch having not checked in at all which is scummy af, and because you switched from your alleged strongest scumread. Also because the timeline doesn't make sense.

If you're saying you aren't, do some work to prove it.
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:11 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Mr. Burns wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:25 pm
Hugh Jass wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:37 pm
Spoiler: show
Mr. Burns wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:16 pm
Hugh Jass wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:11 am Burns isn't even trying to push her elimination or defend himself, he's passively ok with this and shading me in the process with "y'all letting Hugh decide bla bla". They prefer his death over her because then she's just going to run with the narrative of Hugh tried to eliminate me before him so he's his partner which is bullshit since I went for Burns first before Skinner insisted on her, and then the wagon consolidated. Switching is destabilizing and basically letting them control the narrative.

As I already told you earlier, Burns flip doesn't matter since there's always going to be a Hugh v Alison. She's saying I did something that I didn't so she's lying. Magically she's the only one that noticed it, also she followed me apparently even though that pinged her and there was some fuckery going. Just think for one fucking second about what she accused me of if it make any sense whatsoever. Her switch alongside Burns and Grampa, the two other people she says are Mafia, saved fucking Burns lol.

So yeah solve between her and me now 'cause I'm not doing this shit again
I'm not shading you. I am pissed about everyone letting you decide, because we're gonna lose. Me getting mischopped at LYLO (not necessarily the first LYLO, but eventually) has been the theme of this entire game. Right down to the saving me at EoD escapade to get me to F7. I'm passive because we've lost. You are so dialed in on "I have the team" that I can't talk to you. We're gonna spike Alison, finally, which is great...but she doesn't even care.

She is fucking with you, yes. Outright lying about this vote shifting; sure. She's just needling you to keep you focused. You have declared the whole team, and when her low lying packmates kill you tonight our "leader" Principle Skinner is going to follow your legacy straight down the line. You are creating the environment where Alison's victory is inevitable and the two of you are going to be watching it together from DVC and there doesn't seem to be a damn thing I can do about it.

Here's the thing...Alison and I figured out after a number of unfortunate confrontations that we just can't read each other so we can't trust each other...unless we get wolves. Kinda like Otto and Krusty, when we got through three days without a dead wolf I looked at Alison and said "you gotta go." And she should have been saying the same thing about me. She didn't because she knows I'm town. I didn't because I had no power...the bad chops and the way everyone dying at night sussed me meant there was nothing left of me but a mountain of suspicions and I had no power to do anything...even save myself really. If Allison hadn't pulled off the last minute shenanigans I'd have just died, and truthfully that would probably have been better because now I'm at LYLO and I see no way to avoid getting mischopped.

I'm finally gonna get a pelt...but of course Allison has managed to make herself so obvious now that everyone is on board for this. The only active players left are you and me, and you are going to die leaving as your final legacy "do not listen to Burns, just kill him." That's that, really.
I mean feel free to talk to me, you haven't engaged me at all nor have you engaged anyone else. I've engaged the other person I have on that team since they tried but it didn't go anywhere since the timeline they're talking about doesn't fit. If they witnessed Alison switch, Krusty would have been leading so their switch and spiciness make no sense. They actually saved their alleged strongest target.

You haven't showed this mistrust of her at all. You didn't though, when we went through 3 days without a dead wolf you were fence sitting between Krusty and Otto, and had no intention of solving her. Bart and I fought against that narrative and had her against the ropes with less than half an hour left. The vote was tied, if you had any intention of eliminating her you would have joined us there. Same with your self pres, you showed no instances of wanting to survive which makes me think you knew what was going down as it was coordinated already at the time. Alison entertained Bart and I's CFD plans, you invited with post 1887.

Your conclusions after the shenanigans of EoD4 aren't natural from a town PoV. You immediate switch onto Alison locking her as a wolf, and then mention that from that PoV, I'm her likely partner. That makes no sense. If we're together we got you tied up with Krusty. If he's our partner, he can self preserv. If he isn't, we don't care about the rand. Why aren't you trying to figure out why she switched at that moment outing herself? You were tied with Krusty, was it to save him? If so, wouldn't you solve him first? This is something you even said in post 1645 in regards to pre flip association, ironically enough about a scenario involving the both of them.
The EoD shenanigans look different from different points of view, and that's a fact. My view comes from "pretty resigned to dying here" and watching for a move from Grampa because I expected him to do something. Had no case on Allison, so really all I could do earlier was go along with "a wolf in Krusty/Otto and try to stay on the other side and see how it went. If we had gotten down to the end strokes there I would have learned Allison was wolfing a little cleaner and maybe been able to do something with the knowledge.

Unexpectedly, I got wagoned and had to look more for just not getting chopped...or at least making sure that my town flip didn't implicate the wrong people.

So, yeah, maybe from my POV things weren't as easy to follow as they were from yours.

When the day started I was all in on Allison and expecting her to go all in for mischopping me. My first read on this whole "lying about the movement" spat was that it was some sort of weird distancing thing. That moved you abruptly from my top town read into Allison co-conspirator tinfoil territory and I am genuinely sorry for that. I can't honestly say that I saw the same movements as either of you. I saw Grampa move and I moved...and at my next look Allison was there too. So I dunno.

What I do know is that every night kill in this game made zero sense...other than it removed the strong voices and made me look worse.

I can tell you that is classic Allison play, up to and including her saving me at F9 because I provide her with her surest course to the win. I see basically no way I avoid three chops in a row here, so we have been beaten and that's a fact...from my POV.
Instead of waiting for a glimmer of hope from someone that hasn't been present at all, and has missed previous EoD, why didn't you engage the players in the thread to try to not get chopped? And I'm sorry but I just can't buy the whole angle of expecting Grampa to be present a minute before EoD just because he's from the forum he's from lol.

That's a pretty quick move, especially after the EoD we just had. What was your first read on the late switching itself? Wait Grampa moved before you, and Alison after you? That's not what he's saying. What do you make of that?

GGWP I guess
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:46 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Grampa Simpson wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:39 pm I can't see why I would switch if Krusty was in the lead, which is why I think you're wrong
Feel free to tell me how.
Grampa Simpson wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:39 pm and I still can't get over the idea that in your layout, there is zero reason for your proposed trio to collectively switch to Otto. There is just no gain
That isn't a justification against.
Grampa Simpson wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:39 pm Allison and Krusty wolves fo sho

The third... I have no clue.
Why is Krusty fo sho?

There are only 3 others players excluding Skinner. Dive in.
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:30 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Allison Taylor wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:27 pm This guy goes to every extent to run from the fact that the correct exe is on Burns today lol
lmao whatever helps you sleep at night
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:17 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Allison Taylor wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:13 pm
Hugh Jass wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:57 pm
Allison Taylor wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:54 pm All of you voting me is how you lose this game; it's the strictly inferior option. Hugh is desperate to have me exed and not Burns, he's outing his agenda right on the table. Either way Burns is scum so there's no benefit to not switching over. If you believe I am scum then all of you go over so there's no vote split.
If we all believe you're scum, why change then? And no, you're objectively the better option
How am I objectively the better option? If you are lying, Burns is mafia. If I am lying, Burns is also mafia. Burns is mafia in all worlds and you are trying so hard to protect him when it makes no sense for you to do that as town.
I'm town and definitely not lying so you are the best option. Pretty fucking straightforward lol.
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:58 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Hugh Jass wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:55 pm Image
I should have edited this lol
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:57 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Allison Taylor wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:54 pm All of you voting me is how you lose this game; it's the strictly inferior option. Hugh is desperate to have me exed and not Burns, he's outing his agenda right on the table. Either way Burns is scum so there's no benefit to not switching over. If you believe I am scum then all of you go over so there's no vote split.
If we all believe you're scum, why change then? And no, you're objectively the better option
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:55 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Allison Taylor wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:52 pm If you think I'm trying to split the vote, then all of you vote Burns. He's literally the only one who is always scum here.
lolol
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:55 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Image
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:21 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Grampa Simpson wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:09 pm
Hugh Jass wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:37 pm
I mean feel free to talk to me, you haven't engaged me at all nor have you engaged anyone else. I've engaged the other person I have on that team since they tried but it didn't go anywhere since the timeline they're talking about doesn't fit. If they witnessed Alison switch, Krusty would have been leading so their switch and spiciness make no sense. They actually saved their alleged strongest target.
hi hugh

i think you're wrong but don't have enough of a grasp on the EOD layout to be able to definitively say how (beyond me not being a wolf and thus it is impossible for me to be part of the wolf trio)

one thing that keeps coming to mind is that if you're right, there would've been no reason for your supposed confirmed wolf trio to have outed themselves if only allison switching would've forced a krusty mischop

why would all three wolves out themselves to mischop otto if only one possible outing was needed for a krusty mischop
Sup Gramps

The layout was pretty clear.

Krusty: You, Burns, Otto
Burns: Bart, me, Alison
Otto: Krusty

Alison switching makes it 3v2v2. You say you noticed this, so I'll ask again. Why did you switch at this point as this has Krusty getting chopped?

I've asked myself that same question since all the switching saved Krusty as well, but it's all just a bunch of wifom and for every thought behind a motivation there is a counter one. Mafia doesn't always make the best of choices. Could also be for this exact reason of saying Mafia wouldn't out themselves like that. One thing for sure is that the whole movement wasn't a coincidental, happened at a lightning pace and looks very much so coordinated. One dude not caring about self preserving earlier, one dude missing in action and coincidently voting a minute before EoD and Alison lol.

You say you're town, and that Burns is town. Who's a wolf then?
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:41 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

The Grumple wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:24 pm
Hugh Jass wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:11 am Burns isn't even trying to push her elimination or defend himself, he's passively ok with this and shading me in the process with "y'all letting Hugh decide bla bla". They prefer his death over her because then she's just going to run with the narrative of Hugh tried to eliminate me before him so he's his partner which is bullshit since I went for Burns first before Skinner insisted on her, and then the wagon consolidated. Switching is destabilizing and basically letting them control the narrative.

As I already told you earlier, Burns flip doesn't matter since there's always going to be a Hugh v Alison. She's saying I did something that I didn't so she's lying. Magically she's the only one that noticed it, also she followed me apparently even though that pinged her and there was some fuckery going. Just think for one fucking second about what she accused me of if it make any sense whatsoever. Her switch alongside Burns and Grampa, the two other people she says are Mafia, saved fucking Burns lol.

So yeah solve between her and me now 'cause I'm not doing this shit again
It's okay. You already said all that stuff. I was asking the others to fully consider all the alternatives because this is Lylo and it would be shitty to lose because of refusing to do legwork. You and Allison have both doubled down on some claims that can't be fully verified within the thread so if you don't mind I would like to be cautious. Because no matter what one of you is pulling some stupid gambit here and losing to a dumb unnecessary gambit is worse than losing normally.
No worries. As for the claims, the best you're going to get is no one present at EoD seeing what she's claiming lol.
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:38 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
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Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Also similarly to Grampa, your timeline doesn't match. If you noticed Alison flipping onto Otto, you were already safe so why not stay on Krusty your main target?
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:37 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Mr. Burns wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:16 pm
Hugh Jass wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:11 am Burns isn't even trying to push her elimination or defend himself, he's passively ok with this and shading me in the process with "y'all letting Hugh decide bla bla". They prefer his death over her because then she's just going to run with the narrative of Hugh tried to eliminate me before him so he's his partner which is bullshit since I went for Burns first before Skinner insisted on her, and then the wagon consolidated. Switching is destabilizing and basically letting them control the narrative.

As I already told you earlier, Burns flip doesn't matter since there's always going to be a Hugh v Alison. She's saying I did something that I didn't so she's lying. Magically she's the only one that noticed it, also she followed me apparently even though that pinged her and there was some fuckery going. Just think for one fucking second about what she accused me of if it make any sense whatsoever. Her switch alongside Burns and Grampa, the two other people she says are Mafia, saved fucking Burns lol.

So yeah solve between her and me now 'cause I'm not doing this shit again
I'm not shading you. I am pissed about everyone letting you decide, because we're gonna lose. Me getting mischopped at LYLO (not necessarily the first LYLO, but eventually) has been the theme of this entire game. Right down to the saving me at EoD escapade to get me to F7. I'm passive because we've lost. You are so dialed in on "I have the team" that I can't talk to you. We're gonna spike Alison, finally, which is great...but she doesn't even care.

She is fucking with you, yes. Outright lying about this vote shifting; sure. She's just needling you to keep you focused. You have declared the whole team, and when her low lying packmates kill you tonight our "leader" Principle Skinner is going to follow your legacy straight down the line. You are creating the environment where Alison's victory is inevitable and the two of you are going to be watching it together from DVC and there doesn't seem to be a damn thing I can do about it.

Here's the thing...Alison and I figured out after a number of unfortunate confrontations that we just can't read each other so we can't trust each other...unless we get wolves. Kinda like Otto and Krusty, when we got through three days without a dead wolf I looked at Alison and said "you gotta go." And she should have been saying the same thing about me. She didn't because she knows I'm town. I didn't because I had no power...the bad chops and the way everyone dying at night sussed me meant there was nothing left of me but a mountain of suspicions and I had no power to do anything...even save myself really. If Allison hadn't pulled off the last minute shenanigans I'd have just died, and truthfully that would probably have been better because now I'm at LYLO and I see no way to avoid getting mischopped.

I'm finally gonna get a pelt...but of course Allison has managed to make herself so obvious now that everyone is on board for this. The only active players left are you and me, and you are going to die leaving as your final legacy "do not listen to Burns, just kill him." That's that, really.
I mean feel free to talk to me, you haven't engaged me at all nor have you engaged anyone else. I've engaged the other person I have on that team since they tried but it didn't go anywhere since the timeline they're talking about doesn't fit. If they witnessed Alison switch, Krusty would have been leading so their switch and spiciness make no sense. They actually saved their alleged strongest target.

You haven't showed this mistrust of her at all. You didn't though, when we went through 3 days without a dead wolf you were fence sitting between Krusty and Otto, and had no intention of solving her. Bart and I fought against that narrative and had her against the ropes with less than half an hour left. The vote was tied, if you had any intention of eliminating her you would have joined us there. Same with your self pres, you showed no instances of wanting to survive which makes me think you knew what was going down as it was coordinated already at the time. Alison entertained Bart and I's CFD plans, you invited with post 1887.

Your conclusions after the shenanigans of EoD4 aren't natural from a town PoV. You immediate switch onto Alison locking her as a wolf, and then mention that from that PoV, I'm her likely partner. That makes no sense. If we're together we got you tied up with Krusty. If he's our partner, he can self preserv. If he isn't, we don't care about the rand. Why aren't you trying to figure out why she switched at that moment outing herself? You were tied with Krusty, was it to save him? If so, wouldn't you solve him first? This is something you even said in post 1645 in regards to pre flip association, ironically enough about a scenario involving the both of them.
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:11 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Burns isn't even trying to push her elimination or defend himself, he's passively ok with this and shading me in the process with "y'all letting Hugh decide bla bla". They prefer his death over her because then she's just going to run with the narrative of Hugh tried to eliminate me before him so he's his partner which is bullshit since I went for Burns first before Skinner insisted on her, and then the wagon consolidated. Switching is destabilizing and basically letting them control the narrative.

As I already told you earlier, Burns flip doesn't matter since there's always going to be a Hugh v Alison. She's saying I did something that I didn't so she's lying. Magically she's the only one that noticed it, also she followed me apparently even though that pinged her and there was some fuckery going. Just think for one fucking second about what she accused me of if it make any sense whatsoever. Her switch alongside Burns and Grampa, the two other people she says are Mafia, saved fucking Burns lol.

So yeah solve between her and me now 'cause I'm not doing this shit again
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:57 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

The Grumple wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:38 am hm

@Principal Skinner @Grampa Simpson

we should still talk about this, she's right that burns is the most likely to be mafia under these circumstances, even if it's a distancing ploy or whatever.

I sleep now gnight
You should tag Krusty not Grampa, he's their partner lol.
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:40 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Allison Taylor wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:38 am There is a consensus and it's on Burns. Burns is the guy that my testimony implicates and it's the guy that your testimony implicates. You are pulling fake ass excuses like "it's personal" to cover up the fact that you really really want to see me executed and not Burns.
Townies say otherwise.

linki - good luck :beer:
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:37 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Allison Taylor wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:33 am
Hugh Jass wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:30 am
Allison Taylor wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:27 am Just ignore Hugh and vote off Burns, he's outed.
Why don't you go for me since you saw me switch and all?
I've been trying to convince them to exe you for the whole day, what are you smoking

If they won't get there on you they can at least get there on Burns, and unlike you I don't care which mafia I start with as long as it flips red.
I wouldn't call that convincing, but whatever helps you sleep at night.

Tough luck
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:35 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Allison Taylor wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:32 am
Hugh Jass wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:29 am
Allison Taylor wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:26 am
Hugh Jass wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:24 am
Allison Taylor wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:18 am Hugh you came into the thread saying "Allison/Burns/Gramps, don't care which one" but now you're pushing back against a Burns exe, despite you thinking he's mafia? If you're town what the fuck do you care who goes first? You claim that I'm partners with Burns because I have no beef with him, but everything you've done has been to corral the exe onto me and not Burns while saying out loud you don't care.
I want to see you dead first 'cause you're a liar, and the consensus is already on you. Your shithousery attempts are futile. One thing I didn't do is switch my vote to save him :beer:
You switched your vote onto Otto and then switched back so nobody would see it at the EOD poll lol

Don't give me that shit. If you were town you wouldn't give a fuck, you'd go "ok then, exe burns, he's scum too lolol"
Lmao maybe in an alternate universe. Very very unfortunate that you're the only one that saw it.

I am town, and eliminate all liars
If you were town and think you have the game on lock you wouldn't be so weirdly reluctant to exe one particular scum over another. You're pushing back way too hard for absolutely no reason and it's outing you as a wolf.
I would if there was already a consensus, and that particular wolf made it personal by lying about me.
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:34 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Hugh Jass wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:26 am This double team is so fucking obvious, it hurts lol
Image
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:31 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Allison Taylor wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:28 am
Hugh Jass wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:26 am This double team is so fucking obvious, it hurts lol
You can critique your scum play in postgame :nicenod:
The irony :haha:
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:30 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Allison Taylor wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:27 am Just ignore Hugh and vote off Burns, he's outed.
Why don't you go for me since you saw me switch and all?
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:29 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
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Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Allison Taylor wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:26 am
Hugh Jass wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:24 am
Allison Taylor wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:18 am Hugh you came into the thread saying "Allison/Burns/Gramps, don't care which one" but now you're pushing back against a Burns exe, despite you thinking he's mafia? If you're town what the fuck do you care who goes first? You claim that I'm partners with Burns because I have no beef with him, but everything you've done has been to corral the exe onto me and not Burns while saying out loud you don't care.
I want to see you dead first 'cause you're a liar, and the consensus is already on you. Your shithousery attempts are futile. One thing I didn't do is switch my vote to save him :beer:
You switched your vote onto Otto and then switched back so nobody would see it at the EOD poll lol

Don't give me that shit. If you were town you wouldn't give a fuck, you'd go "ok then, exe burns, he's scum too lolol"
Lmao maybe in an alternate universe. Very very unfortunate that you're the only one that saw it.

I am town, and eliminate all liars
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:26 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

This double team is so fucking obvious, it hurts lol
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:25 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Allison Taylor wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:20 am Burns is scum in every universe. It makes absolutely no sense to ever vote someone you can be wrong about and lose the game on the spot over someone who is always mafia in all possible worlds.
Can't be wrong about you as well lolol
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:24 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Allison Taylor wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:18 am Hugh you came into the thread saying "Allison/Burns/Gramps, don't care which one" but now you're pushing back against a Burns exe, despite you thinking he's mafia? If you're town what the fuck do you care who goes first? You claim that I'm partners with Burns because I have no beef with him, but everything you've done has been to corral the exe onto me and not Burns while saying out loud you don't care.
I want to see you dead first 'cause you're a liar, and the consensus is already on you. Your shithousery attempts are futile. One thing I didn't do is switch my vote to save him :beer:
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:23 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Mr. Burns wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:07 am
Hugh Jass wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:48 am Begone wolf
Well, yeah.

I mean I was on Allison before you were so that's not the argument.
Good for you. No cookies though
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:49 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Mr. Burns wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:41 am but he's locked in on a whole team and selling it using stuff that didn't even happen.
lol
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:48 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Begone wolf
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:36 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

And yeah 'cause Skinner said so as well and he's our leader lol
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:36 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

The Grumple wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:24 am she is right though
Not really. Objectively the evidence against her is stronger since she's lying about my action, and her vote switch was worse than Burns. She's just trying to 'cause chaos and it's a disingenuous, she has no beef with Burns and it's pretty clear from this thread. Everything revolves around trying to paint me as being his partner. All of her incrimination on him is by the association with me she's going for. Which is absolutely hilarious since she's the one that saved him.

She started this phase gunning for me with the lie that I temporarily switched my vote, and changed gears when it didn't stick. I mean even if we flip Burns, there's always going to be a Hugh v Alison. If anything she should be pushing for my elimination.
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:02 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Allison Taylor wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:59 pm Stop letting Hugh corral you into an exe that makes no logical sense
lol
by Hugh Jass
Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:02 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Begone wolf
by Hugh Jass
Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:06 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

The Grumple wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:04 pm is "the spicy one" Mr. Burns? I've never seen Family Guy
It's grampa. It's not a Simpson just his reason for the vote, wanting to be "spicy" lol.
by Hugh Jass
Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:58 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

lmao the hugh never lies
by Hugh Jass
Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:38 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

The Grumple wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:21 pm I suppose it doesn't matter.
Your vote does matter. We need all 4 on the same target
by Hugh Jass
Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:32 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Also no townie does that after being absent and just entering the thread without checking in at all
by Hugh Jass
Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:31 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

His read list had Otto in better light than Alison, and he allegedly slightly suspected the latter throughout the last couple of phases having even iso'd her lol. Yet he sees her switch a minute before EoD with an uncalled vote, doesn't suspect fuckery being afoot, and follows her there on someone he suspected less????

Doing that he also saved the person he supposedly suspected the most lol. Also the whole switches timeline he's talking about makes no sense. He says he saw Alison switch, and that Burns switched after him. When Alison switched, there should be only 2 votes on Otto at the time (Alison and Krusty), 2 votes on Burns (Me and Bart) and 3 votes on Krusty (him, Burns and Otto). So ain't no rand in this scenario.
by Hugh Jass
Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:25 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: The Simpsons [GAME OVER]
Replies: 2378
Views: 33510

Re: The Simpsons [DAY 5]

Yep that's the team. Spicy boy isn't even trying with his justification lol

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