The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 8:04 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 7:20 pm i am never accusing jack again, no matter what, i'm never right about him.

I try telling people every game that I’m always town but nobody listens.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 7:55 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 7:42 pm guys I told you dunya was bad but nooooooooo

you were on my team, doofus.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 4:11 am Yeah, in hindsight, we shouldn't have lynched any townies. That would have helped.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:20 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:18 pm Funny that I just had three votes suddenly piled on me with complete absence of a case.

what's funny if you're voting for marmot still.

and there's plenty of talks about you. you're not town quin. you're not playing like town quin. you're not making any effort to actually hunt for anyone. you have no strong convictions, you're wishy washy. you're bad.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:19 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:16 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:16 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:14 pm why are you all making me [VOTE: marmot] aubergine? you should be ashamed of yourselves.

wow. that was effortless.

remember in MK when we were both civ and you thought I was bad cos I mislynched sig?

remember how you wouldn't let me go till you got me mislynched?

no.

in the words of JJJ, "die."

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:16 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:14 pm why are you all making me [VOTE: marmot] aubergine? you should be ashamed of yourselves.

wow. that was effortless.

remember in MK when we were both civ and you thought I was bad cos I mislynched sig?

remember how you wouldn't let me go till you got me mislynched?

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:14 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:12 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:29 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 8:21 pm thanks mashy-poo. i owe ya one

I [VOTE: dunya] aubergine because her interactions with known baddies suck.

*yawn*

give me a read that goes beyond day 5 please. judge me for the bulk of my content after I got home and could actually play, not while I was away.

well this is hardly a defense at all.

I have already talked about it, go through my iso to other players. I'm not gonna repeat old cases every time someone who isn't reading the whole thread asks tbh. I don't have that much time on my hands.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:29 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 8:21 pm thanks mashy-poo. i owe ya one

I [VOTE: dunya] aubergine because her interactions with known baddies suck.

*yawn*

give me a read that goes beyond day 5 please. judge me for the bulk of my content after I got home and could actually play, not while I was away.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 12:44 am I am seeing little to no talk about spacedaisy and wolbre. Where do we all stand on them?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 10:41 pm I’m torn on Quin.

In some ways, I scum read him when he’s not bad like in Phenon, ASOUE (except we had btsc but otherwise, I would have)...I wanna say Mountains. I told him in CC123 I wasn’t sure I could trust him and then he was trustworthy til the end.

On the other hand, I don’t see any real hunting and I do see the disengagement I saw from him in Fire Emblem, where he was bad.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 10:51 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 10:46 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 10:42 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 10:40 pm You're right I've been playing lazy and we can step this up if you want

I don’t need you to tunnel faster. I need you to stop tunneling and go whatever speed you like in a more productive direction.

Or I need to just check your gth reads and ask why you have them.

Oh yeah I bet you'd looooove to point that GTH gun at my Turnip Head head

Not even if I was bad.



@Quin

Tell me about Dunya interactions with known scum.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 10:25 pm @Kylemii
@Quin
@Sloonei

Do something.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 9:20 pm Okay well i have no idea whos bad to be quite perfectly honest with you all

But i guess it's my job to figure it out

Woe is me

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 8:04 pm Hmm, actually the Ground Commander could not possibly have traded that ability away. There's a very strong chance that the Ground Commander targeted nova of his/her own accord.

That changes things with regards to nova.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:37 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:29 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:20 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:08 pm I don't know why I said Quin is scum though, I think he's more likely 3P, and forgot that I thought that.

*rewinds tape*

*hits play*

Quin is a replacement. The 3P players were all active early, trading items per the host posts on the first page. Quin is not 3P

Kites was here and posting on Day 1 so I don't know why you think this. I also don't like that you think this.

Wait, why am I defending myself as 3P again?

because it's better than being scum

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:20 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:08 pm I don't know why I said Quin is scum though, I think he's more likely 3P, and forgot that I thought that.

*rewinds tape*

*hits play*

Quin is a replacement. The 3P players were all active early, trading items per the host posts on the first page. Quin is not 3P

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:18 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:10 pm I think it's alarming everyone GTH named Quin scum and yet none of us have ever voted for him.

we're probably all big wrong losers cos when does this ever happen

he's probably 3p since no one townreads him..

It's not a confident read but it kinda reminds me of FE when he was all "no I won't have opinions you can't make me" but also maybe that's just quin idk

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:13 pm I also find it alarming we all town read Daisy without any game mechanics being involved and without her being actively engaged in the game like TH.

For me her reaction to nova seemed genuine town

Also nova is my strongest scumread so that helps her out

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 10:12 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 10:10 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 10:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 10:04 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 10:03 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 9:54 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 9:52 pm

which part r u asking about

The whole thing. What part of that post did you like and why did it inspire you to swap quin and i?

quote 1-2

what did you like/dislike about them?

1. I get nervous about joking at times bc if i just ignore it i feel lik e it might bite me in the ass
2 (moreso the transition to 3) dunya and scotty both were pretty town at that point.

Tell me why they were both pretty town and why my posts about them weren't good enough to shake that.

Even though I disagreed with them through the speedchuck lynch campaign they were right and pointed out with others mafia wouldve loved to bus that role

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 10:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 10:04 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 10:03 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 9:54 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 9:52 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 9:49 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 9:43 pm I missed this post
I'll shove you into town and quinn into the bottom of the list where u were

why?

which part r u asking about

The whole thing. What part of that post did you like and why did it inspire you to swap quin and i?

quote 1-2

what did you like/dislike about them?

1. I get nervous about joking at times bc if i just ignore it i feel lik e it might bite me in the ass
2 (moreso the transition to 3) dunya and scotty both were pretty town at that point.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 10:00 pm also want to know exactly why that post dropped me to being his biggest scumread when sloonei didn't come up with that conclusion himself

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 5:15 pm Quin and Speedchuck interactions, because I have no read on the Quin and that seems like a good place to start working my way back into the thread:

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 11:34 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:44 pm Now I need to look at @Quin and try to remember something he's said or done. But I'mma do it tomorrow because I am dead on my feet.

Okay, but you have to town read me in return. Deal?

Their first direct interaction. Joking, not serious, easily can be a lighthearted joke between teammates but does not have to be.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 5:55 pm Why'd nova kick off? It sounded like a speedchuck lynch was the precedent to a nova lynch.

"Oh hey what's up guys I thought we were lynching speedchuck today?" Unless I am missing something, quin has said nothing about speedchuck at this point and his vote was on nova at the time.

After speedchuck's flip, quin does a couple interactive ISOs like this one, on Dunya and Scotty. He draws this conclusion:

Quin wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 6:07 am Concluding thoughts: Both look bad. dunya looks worse than Scotty.

But I don't see a ton of extrapolation in the ISOs themselves. Quin, why did you choose to look at these two in particular, and what exactly set off the sirens in your head when you looked at them?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:18 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:15 pm Why do you think Quin is bad?

Usually Quin is my first townread in a game. I usually see a genuine spark of towniness from him early. But in this game, I'm hard-pressed to say that he's had any impact on me one way or another. I have zero reason to read him as town.

I also came across this post from speedchuck, which I can read just as easily as either easy shade on a low-posting player, or soft distancing from a teammate. I dunno.

There's very little here from Quin. There's nothing here that makes a teammate pairing impossible, but there's also nothing that screams at me.
I suppose I could spend a more time looking at Quin's posts as a whole, but I'm not sure that would be a great use of my time right now as I'm trying to wrap my head around what's going on here before the deadline. I also have not had a chance to look at speedchuck's posts at all since he flipped. That's something I'll do if I ever find the time and energy for it. But I can't conduct a full investigation right now.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 6:34 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:56 pm no, i said the 3p would join mafia when its 7 vs 3.

i see no reason why the 3ps aren't counted in the factions they claimed alliance to. it wouldn't make sense to me otherwise tbh.

why do you think the last 3p hasn't chosen yet, Jack? on day 6.

edit: linki. in response to jack.

This assumes no mechanic in SECRETS to offset the idea of 3 BTSCing indies turning a 4 player mafia into a 7 player mafia. I don’t think they can all side with the mafia or else their votes stop counting or the my don’t count towards mafia majority or something.

You’re also assuming the first 3P went scum just after Colin was lynched, which is a bad assumption.

I think the last 3P’s trade fell through and they’ll soon side with the town.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:19 pm Anyway, I gotta go to work. May or may not be back before EoD. Godspeed gents. I could very well move to speed or stay on Epi.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:13 pm I would say that analyzing day 1 votes with someone like Colin is most helpful if we had a confirmed scum, but what do I know.

Regardless, I don’t view Colin as guilty looking as some people do.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:07 pm The more I see Colin post, the more guilty he looks lol

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:08 pm Colin is bad. He’s not bothering to defend against it. He gettin lynched and then we’ll have some juicy interactions to analyze. I’m aleave my vote on Sloonei as a sensible counterwagon but ready for Colin to be lynched.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:19 pm speedchuck - I'd like to see more activity from speed, I'm wary of him in every game as a general rule. Heck, in FE I suggested we kill off rabbit8 an inactive just so speedchuck didn't replace him because I didn't want to face him. I know he's slick, but I also know people never give him much of a chance when he's town. I didn't like how he hadn't provided any reads or comments until his Town and Remainder list, but at least he was one of the first to offer that, so that's something. I hope I see more directed attention from speed on anyone (some people).

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 5:38 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 5:27 pm I like those three, they actually indicate to me TH is paying more attention to the thread than I thought initially. I'm not acquainted with this loose playstyle, and the unknown is always a challenge to read.

I feel like you want to read TH as town, either because he's your teammate or because his playstyle doesn't make sense to you as scum. That's why you keep excusing your unaquaintance with the playstyle.

But granting TH points for "paying attention to the thread" stood out to me.

Like



linki: yeah sorta ok

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 2:46 pm GTH speed is scum. I've only ever played in one game with speed where he was town and that was in a different format; Vocaroo.

I'm going to ISO him, but I don't recall him being the first to call out Colin (I believe that was Golden and Mac).

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:19 pm Sloonei - I've heard the word sloppy being thrown around, and tbh, I think it applies to Sloonei most. The Colin vote reasoning was bad. He voted for him because he offered no thoughts? Yeah, Colin and about 10 other people at least. Apart from a nod to MP as town, and voting for Colin, I have no idea where Sloonei's head is at and that worries me. I get he's 5 pages behind, but even so, I'd say he has a good 7 pages of content and I would expect more. I do feel like he went back on the right track of Sloonei-like prodding right before he had to leave for work again, but I'd like to see more.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:48 am I am semi caught up but stuck in meetings with managers all day. I have some thoughts I'll share before end of day I promise.

I have broken the Colin and Sloonei tie. I had day 1 concerns about Sloonei and his ColinIsCool vote. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if it was early distancing masked as a pressure vote on day 1 after everyone questioned him about it.

I have more thoughts about Sloonei I'll share before eod. But for now, I have a bigger scum read on sloonei than Colin.

I have some questions for some Colin votes I'll ask later too.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:31 pm @ColinIsCool - moving my vote to Colin. Sorry I couldn't have been here when the drama was happening, but I'm comfortable with Colin being lynched today.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 1:11 am @Quin please answer the anime question first it's urgent

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 9:20 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 9:01 pm I'll put some time towards getting some reads developed today. I do need some guidance though.

Who are the players I have absolutely no excuse to not have a read on right now? Also link me to cases if they exist.

At this point we all agree that Quin looks the fishiest so maybe you could look into that for us.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:35 pm Sounds like an Epi voter kill to me. They almost lynched someone it's typically very difficult to lynch so they offed him out of frustration.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 6:44 pm smh going on about his quindar

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 6:13 pm What do you mean when you say nova was rehearsing posts?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 4:58 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 6:55 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 2:11 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:44 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:58 am [VOTE: nova ] aubergine the case on them is uninspiring and honestly i can't tell their alignment, but I'd rather we not lynch epi or dunya and novq has from my memory coasted through entire games as mafia on NF.

This feels like a forced vote. Earlier when you mentioned me, you said that I was playing my Town meta by being quiet but now it's opposite. Which is it then ?

Here we can get a glimpse from what appears to be sig calling him out on “coasting” as mafia previously, though nova sticks that up sig’a ass with a stick to smoke.

I don’t know his meta, but one could say nova has been “coasting” of late. After Colin got lynched, he’s definitely lost a bit of wind in his sails

I have been busy and I missed almost the entirety of D3 and the beginning of D4. I will also not have a lot of free-time until this weekend.

About D3, I announced my intention of pushing Lunalee before Colin's push since I believed that his vote for her D1 was a distancing vote on one of his teammate. A meaningless off-wagon vote. I also didn't like how she jumped on the Oracle's prophecy and tried to confirm herself with it, while ignoring my questioning her. That's why I left a vote on her at the start of D3, before leaving.

Now with the other prophecy mentioning her and town-reading her, I have my doubts and I think she is that role. She used the prophecy to save herself and hinting at her role. So I'm not too sold on lynching her today.

Last but not least, I would say that activity is non-alignment indicative for me. I'm being honest here and I've played several games here and players can attest to that. I have been seen " coasting " as Town in my previous games as Town here, and also in a game as scum.

I'm thinking about this. Hiding behind a prophet is a kind of pointless scum tactic considering the message is based on opinion. It's not a very good argument.

Thing is, I don't know either of them very well. Would scum Luna do this? Would town nova make this argument?

Also, "I announced my intention of pushing" puts me off. It seems rehearsed.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:00 am Quin is my new bestie

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:17 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:15 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:00 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:57 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Why?

I'm afraid I don't understand the question.

Why are you voting for Quin right now, Turnip Head?

Because I'm afraid this lynch is a wash tbh

Is Quin a better option?

Go away sloonei

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 6:06 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 6:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 6:03 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 6:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 6:00 pm You always suspect me, Quin. What’s different this game?

i haven't read any of your posts

That didn’t stop you in GoC.

explain

I remember you saying things about me before the tibes switched and tinfoiling on me from the moment we merged.

This is not relevant to this game. You got any reads?