The Syndicate

idk but people are missing and the current vote tally makes me eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegh

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:43 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:41 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:41 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:38 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:24 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am

You tell us
I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?
these two posts represent all of wilgy's thoughts on the situation. Total incredulousity and player salad.
The term "player salad" was made specifically for Wilgy. He was bad in whatever game that was, but do you think he'd not learn his lesson from that?
I didn't know this, thanks for the Mafia History lesson.
I feel like it was you who made it.
I say a lot of things, you can't expect me to know what they all are!

i thought it was a jay invention.

It was. Felt by the looks of it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:41 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:38 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:24 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on
You tell us
I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?
these two posts represent all of wilgy's thoughts on the situation. Total incredulousity and player salad.
The term "player salad" was made specifically for Wilgy. He was bad in whatever game that was, but do you think he'd not learn his lesson from that?
I didn't know this, thanks for the Mafia History lesson.

I feel like it was you who made it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:24 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on
You tell us
I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?
these two posts represent all of wilgy's thoughts on the situation. Total incredulousity and player salad.

The term "player salad" was made specifically for Wilgy. He was bad in whatever game that was, but do you think he'd not learn his lesson from that?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:10 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am Frankly for someone who didn't know what the case on me was yesterday, it's a bit overconfident of him to say that

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:54 am Quin needs to go.

ddl has been very unforthcoming with his reads and for the most part he seems to be relying on "gut" first and foremost. This could be a tactic to hide. He feels very raw and authentic to me. I don't want to lynch him. I don't want to lynch you either.
Talk to me about Elohcin.

I would believe in DDL's outburst re: the Economics comparison more if it we didn't have a baddie 3J flip. I see no reason to think that faking an argument like that with a teammate is something DDL wouldn't do when bad.

Elohcin doesn't seem like a compatible bus candidate to me.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:20 am @Quin
Do you suspect Wilgy or are you just voting him for self defense?

Bit of both, but mainly the latter.

Legacy cop colonialbob is not going to hide a read based on information in the middle of a list. A confirmed scum is either going to be first on the list or written with something extra on the side. That's if its not written in bold and flashing letters. Disagree?

I was first on his list of legacy "look into these people" thing. But he also said he buys me as town when we were the top two lynch candidates. Would he say this if he had a red peek on me?

He says this about Wilgy:

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:14 am Blah. I'm waffling again. Epi is convincing and he's had pretty good instincts so far. But unfortunately I'm going to bed so I've got to make up my mind.

quin

Final answer.

@dunya I'd look into quin, DDL, and Wilgy (who's oddly gotten a total pass the last couple of days)

With something extra on the side.

If he had workable information, Wilgy is the baddun. But the fact that this wasn't written in bold and flashing letters makes me think he didn't have anything for us.

Frankly for someone who didn't know what the case on me was yesterday, it's a bit overconfident of him to say that

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:54 am Quin needs to go.

Can't we all come to a compromise and lynch DDL?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:56 am Let's start with Quin.

This is the progression of DDL's case on me today. Starting, and ending.

Yesterday his case progressed from "I don't get the Quin lynch" to "I do this when bad, therefore Quin does this when bad." That wasn't what the Quin lynch was about. He never discusses what the Quin lynch was about.

It felt like he wanted a reason to suspect me that was his own so he didn't appear as though he was sheeping the main case.

As far as I'm concerned the "thread speaker" role is only good for hinting your identity. I actually hate the role.

Moved.

I voted Eloh for now. I don't think 3J was bussing her though. I've done a 180 on Wilgy, could vote for him. His lower activity sets him up as a plausible bussing target to gain early civ cred while minimising damage.

Unless Long Con is a total mafia masochist who enjoyed suspecting himself I don't think he's K2.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:33 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:42 am
K2 wrote:Just kidding, K2 cares. K2 cares a lot.

cBob's loss was unfortunate, but there's a silver lining in the fact that we now know he was Elbrus. Now, some of his posts can be viewed in a different light.

cBob must have known he was going to die sooner than later. I'd bet real money that he'd spent his role check powers at some point before his death. In particular I think it would be a good idea to view Quin, DDL, and Doctor Wilgy with extra scrutiny, for now as they were his last three named suspects before his lynch. All three seem like they might have been likely candidates for a role check.

K2 has a very strong gut feeling that DDL is mafia. If DDL isn't mafia K2 will eat K2's own 8,611m tall hat. Please trust K2's gut.

I've been watching him all game and I'm about 90% sure LC is mafia. You can take that to the bank and smoke it.

Keep doing your best, Big Mountains. If you all believe in yourselves as much as I believe in you then there's no way we can lose! <3

Love,
K2

P.S. If all else fails we can just, you know, lynch Sig.

If Wilgy is K2 then he incriminated himself last night. I've deemed this to be Highly Unlikely.

I was literally just about to point it out. I was also going to say that he only ever paints Kyle in a good light. I'll see what he says about the other people I think it could be.

"used that name" translates to "played that game" in Quinnish.

K2 told us not to but I think it's appropriate to speculate around their identity given the direction today might go.

Initially I thought Kyle could be K2 just based on the way he talks. It sounded like him. I looked a bit deeper.

I searched "Sloonmeister" into the Syndicates word search history thing. One of K2's posts referred to him that way. The only record of that nickname ever being used is in SF II. So, I looked at people who played that game. Living people (excluding nijuu) who used that name are DrWilgy, dunya, Elohcin, Long Con, Sloonei and speedchuck. I'm going to filter out the girls because:

Spoiler: show

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:51 pm
K2 wrote:What's good, Mountains???

It's ya boy, K2, and I'm comin' at you live from the border of Pakistan and China once again to provide you with all the fit that's news to print.

Hey guess what? The funeral home just called. They're holding a funeral right now and you're not invited. Also, no one is invited and no one is dead and there's no funeral. It was just a prank call.

We haven't lynched any mafia yet but don't get down about it. We've managed to figure out a truly fucking wild amount of information with minimal death. Let's keep it up!

The results of the day 2 lynch seems to indicate that between Jack and Sloonei, one of them is a large mountain. Specifically one of two different roles. Watch closely what people did with that information. Determining which role just used up their power is not in the town's best interest and provides an easy cover discussion that doesn't involve hunting small mountains. For the record I think Jack and Sloonei are probably both town.

The Sloonmeister came out with the hottest of cases on C-Bobby. I give it the official K2 Seal Of Approval. 10/10 would recommend reading. Go read it now. Finish reading this and then go read it.

Speedchuck still rubs me the wrong way. I would guess that another big mountain agrees with me and that's why he was forced to use a Shakespeare era language translator. I've seen cases made against him and agree with a lot of the content of them.

I appreciate Long Con and Epignosis laying off each other for a few days. Epignosis looks much better than he did initially, and Long Con looks marginally worse, at least in my opinion. I wouldn't consider him a priority but I have my eye on him and so should you.

I think the idea that there may be small mountains hiding among the low posters holds weight. The longer we play the more I feel it to be true. There's almost always a wolf among the high posters so be careful.

I was going to close with some interesting mountain facts but it it turns out there aren't any. So instead I'm gonna close with a joke:

Why did K2 ruin Thanksgiving once again by stealing K2's family's turkey and hiding it in the bathroom where no one could find it?

Tune in Night 4 for some more more thoughts as well as the answer to this joke.

Do your best everyone! Please hit that like button if you did. Leave a comment, and subscribe if you want to see more like this.

Until next time, K2 out.

I see no plausible reason that someone with this kind of role would lie about their gender. It's not so important a role that mafia would put its owner on a NK priority list. Ergo, K2 is almost definitely male.

DrWilgy fits my criteria for a potential K2. For people entertaining Wilgy as a lynch candidate - do these posts give off doctor vibes to you? You should rule him out as K2 if you're thinking of placing a vote there.

Nevermind. I think I'm being too generous clearing Kyle in my head. I had him as a potential K2 based on a choice of word but there are others alive in this game that it could apply to, and tbh it's more likely it applies to those people.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:22 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:18 pm Kyle is no longer a suspect.
Why not?

I've got a civ role in mind for him.

Kyle is no longer a suspect.

well hey there bloops

With 3 remaining scum and only 2 inactives, I want to consider the tinfoil that the mafia are withholding their kills intentionally for whatever reason. Maybe it's to have us waste lynches on inactives. Right now we aren't in the most dangerous territory mislynch wise and I do think we could entertain a lynch on either sig or INH to test whether the lack of nights kills is part of a plan or a matter of inactivity.

Coming into Day 7 I'm town reading Sloonei and nutella most. I'm also thinking that Eloh and Wilgy are probable town. Iirc 3J drilled them both pretty hard early into his replacement. The latter more, because nobody really suspected Wilgy at the time and bringing him into the spotlight seems unnecessary.

We should look at bob's posts to see if he had any town or scum reads that stick out.

I think more people should look at DDL tomorrow. I believe he and Kyle could be teammates.

linki: what he said

That said I do want to pick my shit up, and I'll answer questions people need answered, but I'm going to take a backseat and run with the people I think I can trust for the most part.

I realise it's only a small part of why people suspect me but I figured I'd just be open about why I've had sub par motivation lately. I'd rather you not read into this as some sort of appeal to emotion, I try to avoid that as much as possible in mafia.

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:45 am Wolves are Quin, Kyle and Eloh.

Me and my two biggest suspects for the majority of the game are all teammates? Nah.

That is what I did.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:50 am An explanation of what prompted him to prefer a lynch of an inactive player to a player around whom there is substantial evidence, especially when he's committed himself to suspecting colonialbob in the last couple of hours, and also maybe an explanation of why he chose sig over INH if we're lucky.
Looking back I see he's touched on why he'd vote for sig today, but that was early Day 6 stuff. This is late Day 6 and votes matter.

I explained 90 percent of this in previous posts. And I haven't "committed" to anything. I'm also voting for self-preservation, if that needed to be said.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:22 am @Quin why are you not voting for cbob at this moment?

Dunno. I will now.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:34 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:29 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:24 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:23 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:18 pm Then that's three people who look silly.
What is your problem with me?
I don't have a problem with you.
In the context of this game, I mean. Your response to me was that I'm not a "confirmed townie." Well...no-duh.

I'm doing my best though, and you won't play ball.
You said I was discrediting you because I thought your case on 3J was bull. Your case was literally "3J is bad for lynching Mesk because she had posts despite having a GTH good read on Mesk" which, ironically, is a complete discredit of my case on Mesk. It was the most disingenuous thing I'd read all game.
The case on Mesk was shit.

The case on 3J was gold.

If you suck finding mafia, say so.

I do suck at finding mafia. That's common knowledge.

haha lol

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:29 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:18 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:16 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:59 pm This is what scum Quin looks like
Epignosis can be my teammate in that game and still decide I become a poor demoralised baddie when my teammate gets lynched. I had two teammates lynched in succession in Mad Max and that only motivated me more.

Of course, his response to this will be "Fuck meta" so I don't know why I bring it up.
FWIW I'm not voting for you because I think you're discouraged scum or whatever.

Could you explain why you thought Epi was scum after using bad logic to vote JJJ, when then kicked off a bunch of people switching back to him and ultimately led to his lynch?
Can you rephrase?
The way I remember that phase, Wilgy and Speed were in the lead, with only a couple people on JJJ. Then Epi came out with his case, voted JJJ (I was thinking he was the 2nd vote, but maybe it was the 3rd). A lot of people switched over/back to JJJ after that.

Just trying to get the why behind your vote.

Oh. Easy. I don't care about trains.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:22 pm I think one of sig/INH is scum, and while I'd have gone with INH, Long Con is on sig so let's do this elimination game since we don't have a vig.

I joined you.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:21 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:38 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:29 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:27 pm Changed my vote to DDL.
Why?
I thought you had information. Bringing my flip into it is enough to dispel that theory.
I have only the information which is publically available, and this information leads me to believe firmly that bob is scum.

I also have a strong town read on DDL, so I'll ask again why he's your preferred target.
I dislike his reason for voting for me and his response to my earlier case on Kyle.
Do you mind linking? I'll go searching but a link would be helpful. I could be convinced on DDL.

Spoiler: show

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:19 pm honestly, I'm almost going to move to either sig/INH at this point.

I do think that at least one of, if not both of them are bad. I've never seen so many missed nightkills where inactivity wasn't the cause.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:16 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:59 pm This is what scum Quin looks like
Epignosis can be my teammate in that game and still decide I become a poor demoralised baddie when my teammate gets lynched. I had two teammates lynched in succession in Mad Max and that only motivated me more.

Of course, his response to this will be "Fuck meta" so I don't know why I bring it up.
FWIW I'm not voting for you because I think you're discouraged scum or whatever.

Could you explain why you thought Epi was scum after using bad logic to vote JJJ, when then kicked off a bunch of people switching back to him and ultimately led to his lynch?

Can you rephrase?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:23 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:21 pm I don't like this sequence.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:34 pm Sloonei

I don't feel you are genuine, and I think your go at Eloh was a try to score an easy lynch that people would find agreeable even if the result was no good.
Nope. I wanted you to share your thoughts on her, then I moved off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:43 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:30 pm I don't want to be on Eloh come day end. It could go on Sloonei.
I advise against this.

I could go back to Eloh.
Voting Eloh because he wants Epi's thoughts, that's all? But then he's willing to vote there immediately after taking his vote off? Smells off.
immediately? My vote has been off of Eloh for like 6 hours. I specifically wanted Epi's thoughts on my specific case against Elohcin. He shot it down. But she's still a suspect. I have no reason to remove her from the pool.
Sorry, you're right, your vote swapped to Sprityo about 3 hours before that sequence (your last post prior to that sequence, actually). But I still don't like the justification of your vote, and the second bit seems too passive to me. Like you want somebody else to give you cover for swapping back and saving youraelf.

I feel like his reasoning for voting Sloonei here changes, not evolves. He admits he was wrong about the immediacy of Sloonei's revote, but now Sloonei is passive (disagree) and he dislikes Sloonei's justification without saying why.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:21 pm I don't like this sequence.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:34 pm Sloonei

I don't feel you are genuine, and I think your go at Eloh was a try to score an easy lynch that people would find agreeable even if the result was no good.
Nope. I wanted you to share your thoughts on her, then I moved off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:43 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:30 pm I don't want to be on Eloh come day end. It could go on Sloonei.
I advise against this.

I could go back to Eloh.
Voting Eloh because he wants Epi's thoughts, that's all? But then he's willing to vote there immediately after taking his vote off? Smells off.

I hate this. He acts like Sloonei's contradicted himself somewhere in that voting period. Also, even though he seems likely to vote either Sloonei or Jack, he barely weighs in his thoughts on Jack at all on Day 2 to decide which lynch is best. Claims Jack and Sloonei are likely w/w later though.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:49 pm @Spacedaisy Why sig? Wish you'd thrown that vote earlier while I was there. :/

Linki: I support a Sloonei/Jack choice for today

You can infer he'd have voted between the two of them by this post.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:37 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:42 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:40 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:53 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:59 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:51 am I'ma kick today off with a rainbow, avoiding yellows to the best of my ability. with lots of yellows given the two replacements and extreme low posters. I hope to find a better place for them today.
Kylemii
Long Con
nutella
speedchuck
Spacedaisy
colonialbob
Dom
DrWilgy
JaggedJimmyJay
insertnamehere
sig
sprityo
Mesk514
Jackofhearts2005
Elohcin
Dragon D. Luffy
Sloonei
Epignosis

I will take questions. Unless your question is "Why do you have every read you have", in which case, suck a brick.
Why am I on the same end as Epi and the opposite end of LC?
This... is a darn good question.
Is it?
You said you'd be willing to answer questions.
I did. And I answered it too, but I'm not sure why it's of interest to bob.
Because it's a weird grouping of reads and I wanted to know why you did it.

This interaction stuck out like a sore thumb at the time. Also, "weird".

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:00 pm Sorry, what with family time I don't really have the ability to go through and make good cases or long posts. Butt I'm following as best I can.

Reads (mostly gut):

Daisy
Speedchuck
Epi
Sloonei
Quin
JJJ
nutella
DDL
Eloh
Kyle
Mesk
Long Con
Jack
Sig

No reads on Dom, Wilgy, INH, sprit

Sloonei is a top town read while Jack is a bottom scum read. I'm curious how Sloonei fell so far before the EoD2.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:05 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:28 am What do people think about Sloonei? GTH's, cases, whatever.
Lean town. From what little exposure I have seems like town Sloonei, I like the questions and prodding people. Not enough reads or firm statements that I recall to make me really solidify the town read though.

A town-read on Sloonei on Day 2.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:47 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:10 pm Also @Marmot DDL doesn't have an ISO link on the first page.
He does on my browser.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:38 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:29 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:27 pm Changed my vote to DDL.
Why?
I thought you had information. Bringing my flip into it is enough to dispel that theory.
I have only the information which is publically available, and this information leads me to believe firmly that bob is scum.

I also have a strong town read on DDL, so I'll ask again why he's your preferred target.

I dislike his reason for voting for me and his response to my earlier case on Kyle.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:29 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:24 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:23 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:18 pm Then that's three people who look silly.
What is your problem with me?
I don't have a problem with you.
In the context of this game, I mean. Your response to me was that I'm not a "confirmed townie." Well...no-duh.

I'm doing my best though, and you won't play ball.

You said I was discrediting you because I thought your case on 3J was bull. Your case was literally "3J is bad for lynching Mesk because she had posts despite having a GTH good read on Mesk" which, ironically, is a complete discredit of my case on Mesk. It was the most disingenuous thing I'd read all game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:29 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:27 pm Changed my vote to DDL.
Why?

I thought you had information. Bringing my flip into it is enough to dispel that theory.

Changed my vote to DDL.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:23 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:18 pm Then that's three people who look silly.
What is your problem with me?

I don't have a problem with you.

Sloonei, how confident are you in bob?

Then that's three people who look silly.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:13 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:59 pm This is what scum Quin looks like
Epignosis can be my teammate in that game and still decide I become a poor demoralised baddie when my teammate gets lynched. I had two teammates lynched in succession in Mad Max and that only motivated me more.

Of course, his response to this will be "Fuck meta" so I don't know why I bring it up.
I don't care what anybody does in other games or under what circumstance they are done in.

That is easily faked.

I care about why you have needlessly antagonized me (I'm voting Epi tell me why), why 3J approved of your play, why you defended 3J, why you continued to antagonize me (calling my logic shit), why you voted for me, not trying to save 3J if you really thought my reasons were shit, and why you point arrows at yourself when people ask you reasonable questions.

So yeah, "fuck meta".

And don't pretend that the arrows was anything less than an invitation to ISO. You look silly.

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