The Syndicate

for that matter why do you even have a read on INH

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:26 pm where my head is at right now:

good
dunya
Dragon D. Luffy
Epignosis
Long Con
nutella
sig
Sloonei
JaggedJimmyJay

leaning good
insertnamehere
colonialbob (I still need to iso Bob, but he's been spontaneous and townie-minded the last few days)
Kylemii

leaning bad
Jackofhearts2005 ( I need to reevaluate Jack after his passion-filled eod 3 defence, but I think I'm leaning good on him at this point)
malakim2099 (sorry don't hate me, I need more content from you, try to post as you read, even if it's things from day 1...that's what I did, it's very enlightening and can help us form a better read of you, and you a better read on us)
Quin / speedchuck (1 of them, not both...leaning more scummy on speedchuck this last night phase, I'm getting a bit of dejavu from our last game together in tone, but I haven't isod either quin or speed yet so I'll get to that)

bad
Elohcin
DrWilgy

Why only one of me and speedchuck? Why are you town reading sig?

I am currently debating a vote for either Eloh or Kyle. Somebody talk to me about these people.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:41 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:32 pm My turn.

@Quin please participate in the current discussion.
I am referring to what you say here:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:06 am Like in here, Quin started pushing the Mesk lynch before everyone. He pushed and he pushed until people took the bait. If one of Jay or New Dom is bad, Quin looks terrible. On the other hand, it is a risky play for a baddie. He more or less took the lead on it.

Or did he? He was the fourth one to vote in the poll (can we trust the pool order, btw? This site changes too much). That means he kept suggesting it until some people voted for her, then jumped on the wagon himself.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:08 am Quin is the main actor in the death of Lasagna. Should we crucify him for it or treat it like a civ goof?
In what posts do I "push and push until people took the bait"? In what posts was I the "main actor in the death of Lasagne"?

I'll say now in re-reading that, I don't like the phrasing "took the bait". It sounds like you've already decided I'm bad.

Which is it?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:32 pm My turn.

@Quin please participate in the current discussion.

I am referring to what you say here:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:06 am Like in here, Quin started pushing the Mesk lynch before everyone. He pushed and he pushed until people took the bait. If one of Jay or New Dom is bad, Quin looks terrible. On the other hand, it is a risky play for a baddie. He more or less took the lead on it.

Or did he? He was the fourth one to vote in the poll (can we trust the pool order, btw? This site changes too much). That means he kept suggesting it until some people voted for her, then jumped on the wagon himself.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:08 am Quin is the main actor in the death of Lasagna. Should we crucify him for it or treat it like a civ goof?

In what posts do I "push and push until people took the bait"? In what posts was I the "main actor in the death of Lasagne"?

I'll say now in re-reading that, I don't like the phrasing "took the bait". It sounds like you've already decided I'm bad.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:16 pm [mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] , please show posts where I take the lead on the Lasagne lynch.
speedchuck , please show posts where I was hands-off the Lasagne lynch.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:24 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:16 pm Dragon D. Luffy , please show posts where I take the lead on the Lasagne lynch.
speedchuck , please show posts where I was hands-off the Lasagne lynch.
There aren't any. Once the train started, you weren't here. You never really argued strongly for the lynch in the first place. When JJJ (I think it was) voted for Mesk and you mistook it for just her name, you were curious. When you found out it was a vote, you were like "never mind"
I'd think JJJ's opinion matters even more if it was a vote, right?

So yeah. Lack of posts. Nothing super strongly condemning there, looking back. Do you think you're a fall guy for the lynch? If so, who is pushing that on you hardest?

I realised the flaw in asking for you posts showing my lack of posts.

Still.

I wanted an Eloh lynch yesterday. When I saw that we were going to go down the low-poster route I figured I'd suggest someone I thought actually looked bad. 3J gave thoughts too, yeah? He'd done an ISO already.

I think it could turn out that way. I'm leaning closer to your perspective that I was more hands-off yesterday, so DDL saying that I "pushed and pushed" until I got my way gets on my nerves. I'd say him.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:18 pm why do some people spell it lasagna and some people lasagne?

They ones who spell it as lasagna are all heathens.

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] , please show posts where I take the lead on the Lasagne lynch.
[mention]speedchuck[/mention] , please show posts where I was hands-off the Lasagne lynch.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:34 am I wasn't planning on thoroughly looking at J³ until tomorrow, is there a significant chance that he's mafia

would you have voted for him if someone had said yes?

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:34 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:06 am Like in here, Quin started pushing the Mesk lynch before everyone. He pushed and he pushed until people took the bait. If one of Jay or New Dom is bad, Quin looks terrible. On the other hand, it is a risky play for a baddie. He more or less took the lead on it.

Or did he? He was the fourth one to vote in the poll (can we trust the pool order, btw? This site changes too much). That means he kept suggesting it until some people voted for her, then jumped on the wagon himself.

Still catching up, but if the bolded is true, that feels very scummy.

hi the bolded isn't true please love me

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:35 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:22 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:19 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:13 pm I have a grievance with the amount of times Kyle has used his Pirate Mafia performance as a way to fend off suspicion. He played games somewhere else that he's also talked about but I didn't quote them. No, I don't care that most of these are direct accusations about his Pirates performance. I think he's using meta as a shield.
You should care that those were in direct response to meta accusations. Why wouldn't you care about that?
You're rejecting perceptions before easing concerns. You're saying "I wasn't an active force in Pirates" when you should be saying "I'm actually not someone who takes the front line" if what they're saying is false about your playstyle.
You are reaching so hard I think you'll accidentally touch the sun and get burned. Be careful.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:16 pm @Quin can you point out the time where you voted for Mesk (as in, close to what post of yours it happened?

At the same time as Epi voted for Dom. I was the first on her.

A moment of silence.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:42 am What are you guys doing. The poll just changed like 16 times it was a potential 4 way tie at one point

Near the end Jay had 5 votes but now Mesk is in the lead again, I think?

i had a seizure all over the poll that's what

I guess I don't hate THIS tie. Someone include Eloh tho pls.

maybe following the next leading wagon onto my prime suspect is just one big ball of hey quin what the fuck are you doing buddy but i voted elohcin

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:35 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:32 am Civilian JJJ wouldn't care what the tally was right now.

You are bad.
What? Caring about the tally is fundamental to any JJJ, or frankly any anyone.

I couldn't take that argument seriously. You are right.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:34 am come on LC (or kyle or quin or wilgy) join usss

I don't know the 3J case. I would rather CFD Eloh if my vote is to move.

shit i shouldv'e changed all those to nutella

You can stand under my umbrella, ella, ella, eh, eh, eh
Under my umbrella, ella, ella, eh, eh, eh
Under my umbrella, ella, ella, eh, eh, eh
Under my umbrella, ella, ella, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:27 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:26 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:25 am oh yeah and quin of course hahah
I'm confirmed town.
excuse you??

u herd me

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:25 am oh yeah and quin of course hahah

I'm confirmed town.

wow i wish people were this eager to follow me on an eloh lynch

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:20 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:18 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:16 am Mesk514
what about her
I agree with you that the base logic behind a Mesk lynch is similar to that of a Dom lynch, but it's a more substantive option.

oh that was you declaring your vote haha roflmao fuck me

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:16 am Mesk514

what about her

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:13 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:12 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:10 am Absolutely nobody has resisted a Dom lynch at any point in this game, that I can recall.

you don't count

ok listen here bitch

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:10 am Absolutely nobody has resisted a Dom lynch at any point in this game, that I can recall.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:08 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:07 am why aren't we all lynching Lasagne? For a low poster, she actually looks bad.
What's the worst thing you could say about Lasagne?

She has 24 posts, at least 20 of those say nothing but bolster her presence in the thread.

why aren't we all lynching Lasagne? For a low poster, she actually looks bad.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:03 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:56 pm As much as I believe Sloonei is a civilian, at this point, I find it bizarre that he is voting for Jack. I'm not going to rehash why. Use your clicker thingies if you need a reminder.

No, Lasagne is Mesk.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:21 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:19 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:13 pm I have a grievance with the amount of times Kyle has used his Pirate Mafia performance as a way to fend off suspicion. He played games somewhere else that he's also talked about but I didn't quote them. No, I don't care that most of these are direct accusations about his Pirates performance. I think he's using meta as a shield.
You should care that those were in direct response to meta accusations. Why wouldn't you care about that?
Context is extremely important. I have only talked about pirates mafia when other people have compared my play to that game.

Well this isn't true, but those cases don't strike me as alignment indicative.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:19 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:13 pm I have a grievance with the amount of times Kyle has used his Pirate Mafia performance as a way to fend off suspicion. He played games somewhere else that he's also talked about but I didn't quote them. No, I don't care that most of these are direct accusations about his Pirates performance. I think he's using meta as a shield.
You should care that those were in direct response to meta accusations. Why wouldn't you care about that?

You're rejecting perceptions before easing concerns. You're saying "I wasn't an active force in Pirates" when you should be saying "I'm actually not someone who takes the front line" if what they're saying is false about your playstyle.

I have a grievance with the amount of times Kyle has used his Pirate Mafia performance as a way to fend off suspicion. He played games somewhere else that he's also talked about but I didn't quote them. No, I don't care that most of these are direct accusations about his Pirates performance. I think he's using meta as a shield.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:11 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:51 pm I'd really like to hear Mesk514's thoughts on current events. My thoughts are clouded by past meta and I think an outsiders' viewpoint could bring some clarity
I don't like this post. In Pirates mafia (the one and only game I've ever seen Kyle play to this point), he was an active force early in the game. He's been more passive so far in this game, so I prodded him for reads. Five minutes later, he came out with this, absent of content but calling for more content from the newcomer. This post is fluff and an excuse to delay participation in the game.
you made your post while I was making mine, did you expect me to drop everything and respond to you? it's 9 an dude. one thing at a time.

In the pirates game my day 1 involvement was mostly getting to know new players questions and passively observing the current thread dynamics. I got called out for it and almost got lynched for it like twice. How closely were you reading the game?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:52 pm but you didn't get lynched. I saw you making things happen. I don't see that here yet.
whether or not I got lynch is irrelevant, the relevant part is that you should remember how that game went.

name one thing that i made happen during the first day of the pirates game. I asked questions about dogs and I think I cobbled together a read list at some point because I had 3 hours without anything better to do, bcus it was a small game filled with players I'd never met.

My most active decision was maintaining a tied vote on MP late in the day phase

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:30 pm //Kyle what happened to your conviction? This doesn't feel the same Kyle that I met in Pirate mafia.
Is conviction something I had in pirates mafia? I would argue that the exact opposite is true. On the second to last day I didn't know who to lynch and almost died because of it, Speedchuck talked me into no lynching. We also lost partially because I didn't pursue my suspicion of Speedchuck on the final day.

I've been making a real effort to follow through in this game because of it.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:27 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:11 pmTownie Kyle would be the driving force behind the discussion.
This seems like a strange conclusion to come to based on our experiences together since I was 100% not a driving force behind anything in Pirates.

My money would be Kyle is either our third-party rogue or scum right now, but leaning loner rogue at this point.
Also a kind of strange leap? What part of my gameplay is so strongly indie that you're leaning towards me being the alignment that only 5% of players are?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:56 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:35 pmis it strange? A driving force behind "discussion taking place", not behind anything else. You're someone who creates discussion, asks questions, reaches theories and loosely based conclusions even. You're not one to sit back and see how one person responds to another before making an appearance in the thread, sorry.
In pirates I had 3 major suspects, MP, Quin, and Speedchuck. MP I voted for basically because of LC's case and what was drug out because of it. Quin I was more proactive with but like.... Honestly I didn't really push that discussion either? I just voted along with it and you know how speedchuck went.

You're characterizing me as a Good and Effective player and... Thanks I guess, but I'm not afraid to appeal to other players' skill sets before there's anything solid to chew on.

Let's lynch Lasagne.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:35 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:07 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:05 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:03 pm @speedchuck, not that it makes a huge difference, but I am actually a "she". Going through your post now.
I knew that. I say it under your avatar and made note of it. And then it completely slipped past me.

@Quin That's an interesting vote on a player I have trouble reading most of the time. Can I get a summary of why?
I've had success reading her in the past. This doesn't feel like good Eloh.

I don't think she's following through on her cases in the way a civilian would. She'll say that something is suspicious and that'll be the end of it, like she's rejecting any attempt to change her mind. She's done that with me and LC in this game.

I don't believe in her rainbow list because I jdon't see how Lasagne could be one of anybody's top town reads. She mentioned genuinity in her posts, with Lasagne only having one, maybe two posts of workable content. The rest is, as I said before, mainly "I'm here!" posts.
You're right that I have a lot of "I'm here" posts. Y'all talk so much a lot of the time and I'm constantly playing catch-up. I was here from like 6:15-7 and left for an hour and a half and now I'm a page and a half behind. I'm sorry I don't play to your standards. As for my reads... I disagree. I lay put how I feel without harping on it. I'm not going to be accused of tunneling ever again. I've also named several players I find suspicious and gave reasons. and...i participated in gth a bit even though it was after the fact. You need to re-read me dude.

I was talking about Lasagne

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:28 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:22 pm I'm also asking why you have Sloonei as a town read, when any of the role permutations of that event where both of you are town are fairly unlikely.
How do you figure?

If either of us is the lynch stopper (fairly likely given there should have been a lynch yesterday), why would that player think anything of the other's role? Whoever didn't stop the lynch would have more reason to assume the other was town.

I don't know what you're talking about.
both of you implied survival roles or lynch manipulation or something of the kind. the permutations for that event taking place are limited and some of them include a mafia role, that's something you should be concerned about, don't you think?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:29 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:28 pm It doesn't matter what I ask, Jack. You don't respond to anything.
Bullshit. I've linked back to my answers to you.

If you think I'm bad, then vote for me.
you're avoiding discussing questions right now as we speak. I'm not asking you to roleclaim, I'm asking you to help explore probability.

You don't seem interested in doing that. I'm tired.

Sutter Buttes can't account for the lack of death on Day 2, and there are more town or indy roles that could involve some sort of lynch/survival manipulation than mafia. Statistically, if they both did something yesterday, it's "fairly unlikely" that one of them is bad.

I don't see where's Jay's case against sig is.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:44 pm Oh my word, in this back and forth with Kyle I am feeling like Jack's tone is very sincere... this is why this extended Day 1 situation is bad for me, the more stuff thrown at me the more indecisive I feel... I'll re-evaluate when I get home later tonight. I may change my vote.

I like Kyle less and Jack more in reading this argument.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:32 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:21 am Oh!

Re: Jimmy attacking Sig

Not fair to compare early pirates Sig to late pirates Sig and then contrast early pirates Sig with Sig here cause he got real busy irl. I want to hear more from Sig and won't give him a pass all game but still. Not a fair comparison imo.
Jack really stuck his neck out for sig here. I have a hard time envisioning a scum player going so far out of their way to offer such a glaring defense of a partner (unless it's for WIFOM points), but I also can't shake the feeling of there being something unnatural to this defense by Jack.
does it read as a scum defending a townie?
does it read as a possible jack/jay pairing?

It was a a very mild slap on the hand from Jack to Jay. It does feel out of place for Jack, and why he chose only sig to defend----he wanted a mild case build so when people iso jack/jay to have some content to defend himself with, perhaps, but nothing too dramatic to cause Jay any unwanted attention?

found the sig defence. just quoting so i know where it is

shit guys there's a button that takes you directly from somebodys quote to the original post

Why did Jack's defence of sig stand out to you, dunya?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:32 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:31 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:30 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:26 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:21 pm @Quin

Your thoughts on Dunya?
I haven't been in the thread enough to update my GTH for dunyo. Or to do ISO's. Yet again, I'm doing none of the things I said I was going to do.

I ran through her posts quickly to answer this. She's been here less than a phase and has four pages. I'm leaning town on that alone.
I think you should read her content.
What's your take on her content?
It's fake.

Got any specific examples for me?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:30 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:26 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:21 pm @Quin

Your thoughts on Dunya?
I haven't been in the thread enough to update my GTH for dunyo. Or to do ISO's. Yet again, I'm doing none of the things I said I was going to do.

I ran through her posts quickly to answer this. She's been here less than a phase and has four pages. I'm leaning town on that alone.
I think you should read her content.

What's your take on her content?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:21 pm @Quin

Your thoughts on Dunya?

I haven't been in the thread enough to update my GTH for dunyo. Or to do ISO's. Yet again, I'm doing none of the things I said I was going to do.

I ran through her posts quickly to answer this. She's been here less than a phase and has four pages. I'm leaning town on that alone.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:05 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:03 pm @speedchuck, not that it makes a huge difference, but I am actually a "she". Going through your post now.
I knew that. I say it under your avatar and made note of it. And then it completely slipped past me.

@Quin That's an interesting vote on a player I have trouble reading most of the time. Can I get a summary of why?

I've had success reading her in the past. This doesn't feel like good Eloh.

I don't think she's following through on her cases in the way a civilian would. She'll say that something is suspicious and that'll be the end of it, like she's rejecting any attempt to change her mind. She's done that with me and LC in this game.

I don't believe in her rainbow list because I don't see how Lasagne could be one of anybody's top town reads. She mentioned genuinity in her posts, with Lasagne only having one, maybe two posts of workable content. The rest is, as I said before, mainly "I'm here!" posts.

I can't completely rule out an inactive baddie team if its members are dunyo, Lasagne, Dom and sig. I could entertain a Lasagne lynch today to see whether the theory holds water. My biggest hesitation is that someone like Lasagne or Dom should have been replaced before others if mafia activity was of Marmot's concern.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:49 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:47 pm ELOHCIN
KYLEMII
SPEEDCHUCK
QUIN
Good
Good
Bad
We already did Quin. Good.

that's what she said

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