The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:44 am
i have 9 unread PMs and i feel too anxious to open them, sorry to everyone who PMed me, i just cant bring myself to read them

oh, i'm one of them. don't be scared to open mine...i just wanted to let you know how awesome and special i think you are, and hoped you'd check in with us from time to time to let us know you're ok. if you use it, you can msg me on discord any time too dunia#3479 would love to chat about literally anything with u lol.

great game, alison. i don't think you'll find any of us forgetting what you and mac did in this game for a looooong time.

tough luck, town. we always had them, but never quite there.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:11 pm
idk if you've been around for this but people started doing trivia and whoever doesn't give a right answer gets shot

it's p fun lol

I'm out if TSP or you are playing

I meant I don't agree with Tony's argument against it.

Like, it feels to me Tony is reverse angleshooting atm and I dont wanna see that now.

I don't get the argument, but I feel the more we talk about it now, the more potentially game breaking it *could* be simply from people's reactions, so let's just move on please ? Leave the discussion for post game maybe?

so many socky noms on this page damn

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:41 pm But it's pronounced boon-kair

ahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa

i demand you say that in the next walrus im crying

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:38 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:56 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:54 pm I feel like you are hard defending partner now. This game is so confusing.

that's how your defences of alison are sounding to us. TMI / teammate-y. weird.

Fuck, dunya.

well, you were tanning your ass and getting drunk. one of us had to do the heavy lifting ;p

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:27 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:28 pm Like seriously, I came into the thread last night, saw epi and mac fighting, thought "oh great this again" and haven't bothered to catch up since.

That lasted like fifteen minutes.

Please.

but tony is bad, so they want cover for their bad slank

bunker is literally the french word for bunker also

so

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] was your meta read on me honest?

i dont think it's angleshooting, and proof of that is what mac said above, but i think it's NAI. town or aliens could be mapping stuff out.

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:54 pm I feel like you are hard defending partner now. This game is so confusing.

that's how your defences of alison are sounding to us. TMI / teammate-y. weird.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:53 pm

me, mac, jjj and sloonei originally played mafia on rateyourmusic.com. we played with equus, who mapped a game out exactly like that and posted her notes for us. it just is too funny and reminds us of her. i miss her a lot, actually.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:47 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:43 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:35 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:03 pm hey proto I have some solid proof I'm town

are you ready to see it?

I mean yes unless it helps aliens.

Look, this is how I did the second part of my mechanic predictions. It has been in my backpocket for a whole day now.

Spoiler: show

Equus!

lmao

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] [mention]Sloonei[/mention]

this is awesome.

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:39 pm This is a whole different ballpark from " confirmed town"

how does anyone get confirmed town status in this setup through night actions?

like, it's literally impossible because even if one townie clears another, no one has to believe that townie.

you're setting impossibly high standards here and kinda nitpicking on choice of words. the game of mafia is intuition more than it is hard cold facts that we don't always have. probability says to T!Carot that she saved a T!Epi when on an even numbered night only one kill goes through. it's not hard or farfetched to deduce that.

this is like me coming in and willingly putting myself into that pool of suspects who saved nutella by claiming after the event that i did save nutella. i had nothing to gain from being honest about how i used my bunkershot, and everything to lose.

carot has way more paranoia and things to lose than if W!Carot had not made that play. this isn't even taking into consideration dead player analysis, her communication with soneji and rej.

carot is town. i'm sure of that.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] where the hell are you? get your tanned ass in here and weigh in on some of this shit please lol

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:39 pm I'd probably follow Alison's case for who partners are if Caro is lasered and flips town.

wtf

lol

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:33 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:10 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:06 pm alison feels threatened, it's very apparent in the shift of her tone even.

^this

I hard disagree. Alison feels not listened to.

are you an alien TMIing town defences to everyone?

because i can't understand how you think alison feels not listened to, and yet alison's unmoving 100% stance on carot is engaging in any way or has any townie paranoia.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:33 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:33 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:28 pm Like seriously, I came into the thread last night, saw epi and mac fighting, thought "oh great this again" and haven't bothered to catch up since.

and?

what do you mean and that's a complete story

well catch up and continue the story ;p

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:28 pm Like seriously, I came into the thread last night, saw epi and mac fighting, thought "oh great this again" and haven't bothered to catch up since.

and?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:23 pm thereby clearing Carot as likely town barring Carot being an alien and creating a foolproof plan

what an amazing conclusion! where were you 9 hours ago? ;p

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:10 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:44 pm lmao why are we not blasting TonyStarkPrime, we're all agreeing on that

wait what

what do you think of alison?

alison feels threatened, it's very apparent in the shift of her tone even.

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:02 pm I think it's possible Caro and Alison are just town btw.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:35 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:24 pm so proto is spewed clear from the interaction with Carot, not that that's surprising, and I also think dunya looks clear from this. It's hard to believe that a dunya/Carot wolf team just decided to have a townread and hug each other in thread when nutella has stated intent to shoot dunya. It looks more to me like Carot is just townreading dunya because she knows dunya will flip town and wants to look good after dunya gets shot. That leaves TSP and Mac in the PoE as Carot's partner.

hmmmmmm

don't believe her. she's claiming carot is pocketing me, but she's done the exact same thing.

carot does not skip a kill last night. carot does not hit you on n2 when she knew more than 2 townies were protecting you.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:38 pm God bless nutella seeing sense. Blast Caro so I can have my big I told you so moment pretty please?

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:28 pm You kinda jumped a few steps and said Nutella would figure out that the team is xyz.

well, nutella has been voted best townie on this website last year. she knows how to find scum and i have faith in that

when i flip town, i'm no longer an obstacle in her gameplay. i've cased and practically begged her to shoot alison first then TSP/Mac, in that order based on last night's mac performance. i feel ok with my level of contribution in this game. more than ok actually.

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:23 pm If Mac alien, prob don't blast TSP. Prob have to look at Dunya/Caro/Alison.

you're saying if mac alien i'm more likely to be his partner than TSP???? that made me laugh haha

if alison hasn't TMId all this phase, i'd be tinfoiling harder. i'll have to pick your brain post-game to see why we don't see eye to eye at all.

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:17 pm Not sure what you are asking me. Like I didn't understand your sacrifice plan for info because I couldn't work out what you thought the info would be on you flipping town.i asked you a few times and kind of didnt specify.

i did tell you. it means nutella stops tunneling me and actually focuses on who's bad. she's a great town player, and i have faith if i remove the "dunya obstacle" from her face, she'll see it's alison and tony.

linki: wow. we work on different wavelengths fr.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:19 pm There is absolutely 0 reason to take Caro out from your PoE. You are being pocketed like crazy and will be humiliated postgame for locking a townread on scum who slipped in front of your face.

wow lol that's some aggressive wording. fwiw, i'm never humiliated in mafia; if i'm fooled, i tip my hat to them.

also you're kinda tming about me.

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:45 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:27 am I don't get what's happening.

One of the first thing that happened post-Hally flip is dunya and Epignosis being cleared for never killing Hally n1. I thought it was consensus, I do not understand why dunya is being suspected for exactly this reason? It seems silly and I don't get it.

I always believe these kind of claims because if you lie, you're basically setting yourself to never be trusted ever again in a game and I don't think anyone would have fun playing in these conditions. Maybe I'm just being naive but I believe dunya, Epignosis & MacDougall when they say they wouldn't have killed Hally.

I really think it's just Alison-TonyStarkPrime.

You know the funny thing is this could all be correct and aliens are within carotenoid, Alison and tony.

However I can't buy into town Dunya swearing Mac is mafia and town Mac swearing Dunya is mafia when they are both town with 10 years of meta. I'm like putting weight to reads that aren't mine but there we go.

fwiw, this version of mac is a new one and not one i've played with a lot. he's changed, probably to adapt to playing 10 games at once.

i retract the strength of my alien read on mac a little but he is still in my poe in case it isn't tony. but i think at this point all fingers point to alison/tsp for me.

it reads to me like alison has incentive to only kill one player last night

hmm, let me mull over things alison and get back to you. i want to weigh your scenario with the scenario i most think is likely and see what happens.

[mention]protocultures[/mention] what do you make of all of this?

oh wait i missed counting nutella in the numbers. it would have been 2x5 if their kill had gone through then nutella zaps me and they shoot 1 person.

starting elimlo at 2x3 is still a big advantage.

yeah, but in no world where i'm an alien would i ever waste a shot at end game when every kill matters, especially when that could be the last even number night with me and my partner alive allowing 2 kills. i can't believe anyone in this game would think that, either. if the play had come from me, maybe. or even mac. but carot isn't under fire and had no reason to defend me.

we could have been 2x4 right now, with nutella misfiring me and them killing someone at night, that's their win.

this is why i believe carot is telling the truth and you and tsp are likely aliens who just got unlucky.

your confidence is what makes it unbelievable.

you are refusing to believe in a world where carot does protect epi (who was even more townread than proto at the time) under any possibility whatsoever and that's reverse-tmi i guess? it doesn't feel like you suspicion is coming from a paranoid townie anymore, but a more aggressive alien who's running out of options and frustrated their kills aren't going through.

why are you so sure that mafia DIDN'T shoot one of epi/proto? it doesn't make sense to me at all that they'd shoot sabie and just say yeah, fuck it, i'm gonna shoot nutella and waste the second shot. they're not going to shoot between me, mac, or carot because we're in the deep end of the poe. and of course, you're not shooting each other. epi/porto makes perfect logical sense and the fact you can't come around to that just emphasizes that you are an alien.

[mention]nutella[/mention] shoot me today, shoot alison next phase please, and then it's between tsp and mac. i would shoot tsp before mac.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:12 pm Compare this with proto: he brought up other kill possibilities immediately, which is what town does.

proto also didn't bunker save another townie last night, so his speculation is naturally going to be different from carotte's.

i feel like you're not genuinely weighing the significance of carot's claim here and are doing what you're advising townies not to do and that's jump to conclusions before checking every angle.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:05 pm 2) it explains something that can't be explained if you're town.

i'm slow, what is unexplainable if carot is town?

what do you think of a macxtsp pairing, alison?

(shower me with gratitude, proto)

yeah, seriously, shooting into nutella and wasting a kill is not a strategy i credit carot to push to her teammate (who you assume is TSP). i think sabie and epi were shot and proto was spared because of my tinfoil.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:53 pm You, as town, have no way of knowing who the mafia shot.

if i bunker save someone and the mafia only have one kill in a double kill night, i will claim that pretty quickly. anything else is scummy. we'd go, 'hmmmm why did carot wait so long before claiming to have saved epi and explaining why there is only one alien kill?'

like, from a townie perspective, and probability likelihood in a player pool this small, carot assumes "yes, they tried to hit epi and i saved the shot"

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:47 pm because nutella has repeatedly expressed that she believes Mac to be town strongly for reasons pertaining to the Hally kill

i don't think that's even accurate. she said she doesn't think mac would do it, but it's not concrete.

your mind-twin assumed that if i'm shot and flip town, nutella would shoot mac next who she town reads now but would scum read if i am town. [mention]protocultures[/mention], correct?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:47 pm and then all I have to do is prove that I'm townier than either Tony or Carot and scum loses the game.

how does Alison do that?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:13 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:32 am Also, I'm telling you I saved Epignosis. Unless you have reasonable reasons to believe I'm making this up (talk to me if it's the case), you should believe it and 100% clear Epignosis for good and clear me too.

Actually I'm pretty sure this spews you scum

If your story holds water you would have no reason to believe that mafia shot Epi and you saved him. Mafia could have shot someone else (eg. proto, who was also universally townread - moreso than sabie I think actually), and found that person to be protected. And don't give me the "oh, but everyone else claimed that they holstered/protected nutella" thing, because many people haven't given a clear answer on what they did last night yet. TSP hasn't even posted since SoD - there is literally no way for town Carot to be certain that the shot went on Epi and she saved him.

I think you shot Sabie and intentionally put your second shot into nutella knowing it would get blocked, thus causing there to be only one kill. That way you could claim you protected Epi (an obvious kill for scum) the day after, therefore fake-clearing yourself in a situation where you're under a heavy amount of suspicion.

why doesnt carot kill between proto and epi rather than sabie, and claim to have saved the other?

no offence to sabie, but she was a low poster and not as impulsive as proto and epi.

i believe carot wholeheartedly. there is not carot/tony partnership that makes carot feel the necessity to town clear herself or me. the fact is, she didn't have to do anything and nutella would shoot me, i flip town, then mac, mac flips town.

alison is an alien.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:45 am I agree his SoD case on you was bad, but I'm not sure he does that as a wolf?

why not? he knows i'm in nutella's poe since day 1 and leaves me until end game to make a push on me. strategically, he chose the best time.

i just want him to come in here and tell me that he sincerely believes in the meta shit he wrote about me and show me when. it's not hard, i believe i've only rolled scum in 4 games on here and one of them is image mafia where i was killed by the SK and all we could post was images so that doesn't count.