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hahaha hi!colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:29 amI don't remember what game this was but I just want to pop in two months later and sympathize.
Luv ya, booTurnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 8:52 pmIt's not really your fault! I probably never would have voted Russ. I think you played really well
I really want to do this... But only if you promise to kill me tonight So it's you, sloonei and Russ in LyLo?
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 1:18 pm Even I think I look guilty. Maybe I really am bad and I misunderstood my own role.
TH hasn't even thought about it...nutella basically ignored him apart from that burst of frustration where i can see her rolling her eyesSloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 1:04 pmI believe him when he’s trying to solve the game.dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 1:01 pmwhy isn't russ mafia. i dont want a long post, just some brief points.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:54 pmTurnip. That’s the simplest answer. I just have to convince myself that the simple answer is the correct one.dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:38 pm yeah well i hate the idea of extending it 1 more day because of the fact you'll be dead and nothing new for me except a bombardment of accusations. i don't feel like going there and losing town the game because i couldn't defend myself properly.
if deadline was 5 minutes from now, who would your vote be on Sloonei
Your point about him and nutella also rings true to me.
and she doesn't strike me as the sort of player who ignores her teammates in the thread when she's mafia. even when speed wasn't itt she called him and tony out as "where r u guys" post. and she's no stranger to bussing and distancing, which is why her interactions with TH are much juicier.why isn't russ mafia. i dont want a long post, just some brief points.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:54 pmTurnip. That’s the simplest answer. I just have to convince myself that the simple answer is the correct one.dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:38 pm yeah well i hate the idea of extending it 1 more day because of the fact you'll be dead and nothing new for me except a bombardment of accusations. i don't feel like going there and losing town the game because i couldn't defend myself properly.
if deadline was 5 minutes from now, who would your vote be on Sloonei
would a scum speed put both of his teammates in the possible TMI category? probably not. -1 for russ being speed teammate.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:51 am TH, Nanook, and Sig are big ones to look at.
DDL, nutella, TSP, russ for sig-town, because possible TMI. (I'd have to read closer to see who)
Maybe Sloonei on the mac wagon if sig is scum?
That might seem a little inconclusive but I practically replaced into my own role D2, so. Busy weekend. My thoughts are a lot of places and I'm just spitballin.
i don't know how russti came to the conclusion that's a baddie slip but the excessive use of question marks make it seem rather over the top. and like speed said, he'd already mentioned exactly what he meant from the vig shot. +1 for russ being speed teammate.speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 10:31 pmAs I mentioned in an earlier post, vigging me or copping me would help solve the game tomorrow. Otherwise I'm mislynch bait in MYLO. No scumteam is going to kill me tonight.Russtifinko wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 10:11 pmUhhhhhh, what now??????? Is this a baddie slip?speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 9:38 pm
I can give both, if people want. But I don't think it's that helpful. I'll give more thoughts tomorrow unless I get vigged.
speed decides his poe is me, russ and TH. he doesn't see dunyaxturnip team at all, so that means russ has to be bad. and his last vote was on russ. russ doesn't even question why speed suspects him. he doesn't engage speed's posts during that time--he had an agenda to continue painting me in a negative light. then out of the blue, speed is 90% scum (i'm only 80%, but if you did the math i'm pretty sure i consume 95% of russ' postsspeedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:32 pm I don't believe both of these role claims.
I also don't believe TH/Dunya are aligned. If so, this is the greatest distancing game ever played.
Russ/TH.
Russ/dunya.
I was leaning Dunya before the role claims.
Now I'd be leaning TH, but that last appeal to Russti didn't feel like w/w.
I'd probably go with Dunya. Her widening of her POE feels the most agenda driven, especially in the face of claims.
)would a scum speed put both of his teammates in the possible TMI category? probably not. -1 for russ being speed teammate.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:51 am TH, Nanook, and Sig are big ones to look at.
DDL, nutella, TSP, russ for sig-town, because possible TMI. (I'd have to read closer to see who)
Maybe Sloonei on the mac wagon if sig is scum?
That might seem a little inconclusive but I practically replaced into my own role D2, so. Busy weekend. My thoughts are a lot of places and I'm just spitballin.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 10:31 pmi don't know how russti came to the conclusion that's a baddie slip but the excessive use of question marks make it seem rather over the top. and like speed said, he'd already mentioned exactly what he meant from the vig shot. +1 for russ being speed teammate.Russtifinko wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 10:11 pmAs I mentioned in an earlier post, vigging me or copping me would help solve the game tomorrow. Otherwise I'm mislynch bait in MYLO. No scumteam is going to kill me tonight.speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 9:38 pmI can give both, if people want. But I don't think it's that helpful. I'll give more thoughts tomorrow unless I get vigged.
Uhhhhhh, what now??????? Is this a baddie slip?
also worth pointing out that apart from these two posts which happened on day 2 and night 3 respectively, alll of speedxruss interactions happened on day 4 so it's hard not to consider that as distancing.
speed decides his poe is me, russ and TH. he doesn't see dunyaxturnip team at all, so that means russ has to be bad. and his last vote was on russ. russ doesn't even question why speed suspects him. he doesn't engage speed's posts during that time--he had an agenda to continue painting me in a negative light. then out of the blue, speed is 90% scum (i'm only 80%, but if you did the math i'm pretty sure i consume 95% of russ' postsspeedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:32 pm I don't believe both of these role claims.
I also don't believe TH/Dunya are aligned. If so, this is the greatest distancing game ever played.
Russ/TH.
Russ/dunya.
I was leaning Dunya before the role claims.
Now I'd be leaning TH, but that last appeal to Russti didn't feel like w/w.
I'd probably go with Dunya. Her widening of her POE feels the most agenda driven, especially in the face of claims.
where did this speed certainty come from?
speed votes for russ, again, no engagement between them. it's frankly odd. for someone who is deadset on defending themselves against sloonei and me (who they suspected from day 0), it is a glaring omission in russ' iso.
i also hate the blame game where russ sneakily blames me for the jack mislynch "we would have lynched speed yesterday had it not been for dunya's claim" -- shifting blame on a town effort is always gross and 9/10 times scummy. if you had reason to believe jack was town, you sure as hell didn't present it.
pretend you have a crystal ball, and that crystal ball says sloonei is town. pretend you have a green check on him.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:54 am How can you know for a fact that sloonei won't be at Lylo?
when i got my role i read it quick and went on to play. double vote is not rocket science. the host didn't use the words mylo or lylo in describing my restrictions and that's all i'll say about why i didn't remember that my double vote doesn't work in these cases. i'm not here to copy paste my role card for ya'll, sorry.Russtifinko wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 8:27 am However, dunya could have realized that if she is civ and doesn't say her power is deactivated today, she would have to be NKed because a baddie can't allow double vote powers in MYLO.
i will not vote to go to lylo under any circumstances, only to have to fight against you and TH next phase. nothx. we have plenty of info and tbh, i want to enjoy my weekend of good weather doing outside stuff and not being anxious about defending myself against someone who's tunneled me all game and someone who will find it easier to agree i'm bad. i wasn't lying, i'm broken from mafia.Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 11:16 pm Sloon and dunya, what are your thoughts on going to LYLO, or the fact that TH suggested it? No one has really engaged TH on this.
but jay has made it clear he will be taking into consideration the post restrictions which is already mafia favored. i don't feel he'd then give them a watcher role plus sloonei's inventor role which has always been primarily town. putting it on the scum team is basically bastardizing it imo, and there's no room for bastardizing in this game i think.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:28 pm Yes I currently have btsc with him for some reason, and yes that would be a powerful mafia role, but it'd also be a powerful town role, so it's powerful either way. It's certainly not game-breaking like he insinuated.
i already explained that. but keep in mind i thought sloonei's role at that point was giving people extra jiggy posts (and i wonder who else thought the same)Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:28 pm I still think a lot about this post is weird. Thinking she would be NK'ed when there are power roles and confirmed civs, the certainty TH is bad.
as for thinking TH is bad, you can blame my amazing intuition after the game, right after you apologize for tunneling me nonstop and deterring my town skillz.dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 1:30 pm its not really a different answer, i have a role and i've been mum about it. ddl is clearly a 1-shot vig, and from what i understood is that sloonei's role gives extra posts (if what MP got was from sloonei). g-man was predictable, i guess, but it if he was barking up the wrong tree (sloonei), i felt like i could have been the unknown threat to them. it makes sense in my head, sorry if i that seems weird, but it's authentic.
Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:28 pm I still disagree with the assertion that TH wasn't contributing, and it felt out of character for dunya.
i'm the one who started this steam you're talking about. i moved my two votes from jack to speed, with jack and DDL and then MP followed but couldn't announce as he was out of posts. i could have stuck on jack without budging my ass. why would i do that at all? and please don't set forth an argument telling me why, it was rhetoric. just try to actually read what i'm saying for 1 time and weighing it in your head before you apply a ton of tunneling to it. "does dunia make sense?"Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:28 pm One could argue that as you saw the REO Speedwagon gaining steam, you were forced to back off of this and vote him after all.
i never truly believed they could be that deep of distancing. that exchange and the post count confusion are the main reasons why i can't confidently scum read you. i'm trying, but it just doesn't sit right. and when something doesn't sit right, i don't keep sitting on it. i'm fluid and move around with my suspicions. like i said, my method is to find reasons to townread someone instead of seeing anything they say in a negative light. if you can townread someone, not once but twice in two different exchanges, chances are they're town.Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:28 pm dunya, when you posted this, did you think they were distancing? That seems to be the unspoken implication, and you were trying to associate me and TH earlier in the day. However, it also sort of seems like something you don't think TH is really capable of. Trying to understand if this was case-building or the beginning of a change of mind. It did look like you back off the me/TH teammates theory later in the day.
i can any post in this thread and apply a heavy does of skepticism to it and say it was scum talk; that doesn't help me much though.remember this post game. ;pRusstifinko wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:28 pm I keep coming back to this weird certainty you had that TH would be lynched....I never regarded them as a top-tier (like top 2) lynch candidate until today.
bingo. but if i was a baddie and someone had your role, i would kill you first.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:56 pm I think DDL was killed instead of me because DDL was outed town (so can't be mislynched),
why are you ok with someone in LyLo who doesn't suspect you at all? hasnt suspected you all game? how can that not trigger your paranoia?Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 11:16 pm The first part of this worked out pretty well, and I do think the Speed/dunya story still holds up.
but TH hasn't ignored everyone who's suspected them. they didn't ignore mac, they didn't ignore me and they didn't ignore you. they ignored nutella and speed, their teammates.Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 11:16 pm I think this post is a good look. To me, the classic civ play when accused is to ignore it and keep hunting baddies, up until the point where you think you're gonna be mislynched or it will derail the game.
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 7:16 pm I'll roleclaim. I'm Leaky and I have a semi-useful role that requires me to have good instincts, so I'm not all that hopeful about that, but I'm town.
nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 7:21 pmany reason you chose to claim??Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 7:16 pm I'll roleclaim. I'm Leaky and I have a semi-useful role that requires me to have good instincts, so I'm not all that hopeful about that, but I'm town.
Nanook's calling out sig by name
Don't know why you'd just randomly out
when not in direct danger, what's that about
(2)
so, looking at this 3-succession posts, seems rather manufactured. especially nutella's poem. it's like it was planned together in btsc and she was waiting for TH to post so she could question them. so TH hinted towards their role from day 2. they literally described it as "need good instincts"-- so excuse me while i struggle to see how they weren't killed with all the cop paranoia, as DDL put it, of this scum team. nutella's poem was like the opening to give TH room to explain why they claimed. nutella didn't go anywhere or do anything with the response she got from TH which makes it feel all the more directionless and pointless.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 7:54 pm I might not be in immediate danger but I'm on a lot of scum lists. Felt like a good idea to claim, no one needs to waste any time scumreading me
Russtifinko wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:51 am -Other Thoughts-
Gonna disagree with Mac - I think Epi is genuinely scumhunting in his big D1 post about MP and Sloonei, and I don't really care about someone "burning through" their D0 posts.
On the other hand, although NANOOK's rhymes are probably the dopest so far, he's burning through D1 posts, which IMO is a different matter than the D0 ones. I also hate the vote on sig - I think it was bandwagony and poorly justified.
MP did the same thing as sig with the ambivalent response to post count limits, and I also don't think that is a big deal - knowing MP, he is probably really excited to be playing this but massively busy, so I bet he vascillates between wanting infinite posts and not having time to read infinite posts. I think the Omerta thing is really the only decent point in Epi's case against MP, but Epi says: "But that isn't important."
Russtifinko wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 6:53 pmI am an idiot - should have realized this way sooner. It looks like however many posts we made on D0 got added to our D1 totals. So for example, I posted 4 times on D0 so got 25+4 to work with today. Epi posted 9 times D0, so gets 25+9 today.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:05 pm
Post count ceilings for Day 1:
26 - Dragon D. Luffy
28 - dunya
34 - Epignosis
26 - G-Man
29 - M Plus 7
28 - MacDougall
30 - NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
30 - nutella
29 - Russtifinko
28 - sig
31 - Sloonei
26 - speedchuck
29 - TonyStarkPrime
28 - Turnip Head
Jiggy pursuits are now underway, and your 4-liners actually count.
This makes my point from earlier even more relevant - "wasting" posts on D0 is actually a good thing and not just neutral, but wasting posts D1 is still bad. I don't mean that in an alignment sense, necessarily - I mean it just gives you more/less agency in the game.
Russtifinko wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 12:02 am Ohh, that makes a lot more sense now, Epi, so thank you. See, I assumed from the get-go that we had 25 on Day 0, then it reset to a separate 25 (or, in this case Jay's updated things) on Day 1, and so I was posting considering that fact.
I think this is wrong....what use would it be to use to show our eventual hypothetical post counts?? I'm 99% sure JJJ told us the D1 post limit each player has, which was influenced by post count on D0. Maybe our host can weigh in to clarify his previous post so we're all on the same page?
basically publicly disowning what nutella did publicly to mac. i just don't see what good scum russti would have thought would come out of this post. it seems like a very townie thing to say, even if it doesn't really matter too much in the long run, y'dig? good look.Russtifinko wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 10:34 pm On a separate note, I think we should NOT publicly acknowledge when people are out of posts in the future. If there are gonna be more people like Mac who are easy lynch targets late in the day, we should at least make the baddies figure it out for themselves instead of putting targets on people's back for them.
nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:23 pmI don't understand this and I need someone to vote for other than MP so [VOTE: th] aubergine I don't buy your reasoning for suspecting dunyaTurnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:14 pmBut that's not what I did famdunya wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:06 pm anyone who still gives weight to my number of posts as a genuine reason to scum read can kindly kiss my backside.had enough of that meta and spent the last games changing it. dunya posting 200 posts on day 1 is dead. over. deal with it. and especially on a 25 post limit game.
my read on mp is tone-based. he seems genuine. even though he has mostly been on the defence, because people were hitting him from all sides, his defences are all sincere and coming from a place of truth, i feel. and with that, hes still took the time to game solve and keep up. Scum mp will be more focused on defence and getting out of people's dog piles. i am an intuition-based player, and i can see town behind MP posts.
i am however beginning to feel less certain of a town sloonei here.
I dunno how to read russ, and i will at some point quote his massive post when I'm not on my phone and reply.
I was talking about the mindset ham
Of rationing your posts to get near the quota lamb
And anyways your overzealous defense of MP makes me skeptical too damn
nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 7:21 pmany reason you chose to claim??Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 7:16 pm I'll roleclaim. I'm Leaky and I have a semi-useful role that requires me to have good instincts, so I'm not all that hopeful about that, but I'm town.
Nanook's calling out sig by name
Don't know why you'd just randomly out
when not in direct danger, what's that about
(2)
all these and nutella never actually really pursued turnip in any way. seems like gradual fake distancing that she can use later on to build up a case and say she suspected them from the beginning. the first one where she voted for them because she didn't understand their vote on me was one of the first things that made me suspect HER for. so i guess not feeling threatened by turnip flipping on her made sense why she threw that vote on them to attempt to buddy me.
no one's actions have failed the whole game though, so i feel like it's a stretch to add another PR to the mix to justify a turnip PR. it's like doing more mind gymnastics than i think we're meant to do.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 2:07 pm The only way it makes sense for TH not to have been the kill last night is if the remaining mafia member is a roleblocker. That’s not an uncommon role to see. But it’s also the only role that scum TH could use to explain their lack of result. So I’m of two minds there. I’ll try to sort out dunya and russ at some point.
first mention of TH. TH is "big one to look at"speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:51 amDepends a lot on Sig's flip. I have an eye on TH, but if sig is bad, I have a hard time seeing them as a teammate. Same for nanook.dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:38 am i mean, if sig is mafia he's treated you the same way so maybe i AM wrong and the mafia team have all picked 1 person to tunnel the fuck out of in the thread
also hi speedchuck. what are your thoughts on anyone other than sig. top three "i feel bad about you" people?
I've been skimming through D1 and I'm interested in the lynch results. If sig is mafia, mac could have been a save. if he's town, I really suspect the people who avoided both of those wagons and parked their vote somewhere useless.
So
TH, Nanook, and Sig are big ones to look at.
DDL, nutella, TSP, russ for sig-town, because possible TMI. (I'd have to read closer to see who)
Maybe Sloonei on the mac wagon if sig is scum?
That might seem a little inconclusive but I practically replaced into my own role D2, so. Busy weekend. My thoughts are a lot of places and I'm just spitballin.
i don't actually believe it, i'm typing it out to spell out how ridiculous it sounds.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 1:50 pmWhen has a role like that ever existed?
When has a role like that ever existed in a game hosted by Jay?
How could a role like that exist in this game right now? Where town is on a post restriction, and the host made careful considerations to otherwise balance things out to benefit the town. This role would be game breaking.
speak for yourself, this is the last racket game i play. i don't like not being able to post smaller posts in succession. sooooo not my style of game play lol.
im jealousSloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:25 pmI have five 1-shot items to give out. I can only choose my target, and not what item they get. I targeted TH. We now have temporary BTSC for the phase. There is no way that should have interfered with TH's claimed role that I know of.Russtifinko wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:20 pm Sloon/TH, what was given/received last night? (IF IT IS RELATED TO JIGGIES, DO NOT SAY AND GET MODKILLED!) Could that possibly explain the no result?
It probably was too optimistic, but I was kinda of hoping we'd just get the game handed to us to start the day.
i want btsc with you and THwho is this person and where is russtifinko?Russtifinko wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 6:08 pm RIP DDL. Fantastic effort, especially with that vig. I hope we can bring it home for you.
I basically took the last 24h off to reset and just skimmed the thread. While I thought about it more, TH, your case at least convinced me to do my due diligence on Sloon as well as you and dunya. I still think it's a very long shot that he's bad because of the breadcrumb he left me and because he basically pointed DDL at nutella to get her vigged. However, as far-fetched as it seems, it's at least possible he made up the gift-giver role. He's still the most civ-looking to me, but I don't want to lose because I just didn't even consider the possibility at all.
My plan for today is essentially:
1) wait for TH's info from last night
2) give all 3 of you a fresh reread
3) give nutella and Speed a fresh reread
4) decide
lmao. love u booTurnip Head wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 5:10 pmWhat does this mean? Please explain it in excruciating detail.
