The Syndicate

sorry, Luna! I'm really sorry I wasn't convinced it wasn't you

congrats dizzy. I should have listened to my intuition and stuck with ya. you played a great game, not without suspicion, yet fought on. great game, my friend!

and a great game to lose to before I take a year break from playing!

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:14 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:14 pm No joke when I host my game here I'm going to make sure eod/eon is at like 3am-4am USA time even if it inconveniences me cos you guys are mean with these whacko times.
You should go to bed.

I was going to, but I felt guilty towards town for just abandoning the game at lylo as I got into bed and came to see you're after me with a hammer so here we are

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:12 pm You know what's bad. I purposfully skipped the parts in dunya's iso I knew I woldn't like.

I did the same in yours. I think somewhere after speed died and casing you then going back to Luna I realized I'm tunnelling you because 1st of all I have an ego and like to be right all the time and 2nd of all it's easy for me to scum read someone I haven't played with when they aren't as clear cut as they seem. So I decided of everyone who HAS played with you before is town reading you, I shouldn't put scum narrative on the posts I read and try to find town motivation behind your posts and that's what I did. Reading your last scum and town games helped reaffirm my town read on you.

I'll be fucking shocked if you flip bad.

No joke when I host my game here I'm going to make sure eod/eon is at like 3am-4am USA time even if it inconveniences me cos you guys are mean with these whacko times.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:10 pm Yeah, I'm totally meditating

Stay strong. We're so close to winning.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:08 pm I don't know why you're freaking out on all my posts right now @dunya . You're going to win anyways.

How am I "freaking out"?

If I was freaking out, surely that makes me town in your eyes, no?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:07 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:04 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:43 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:30 pm i wish i could stay up till 4am to change ya'lls minds, but i can't. it's 1.30am here and i got stuff to do.

reread me, dizzy, please. don't make this mistake.
Is it just me, or does re-reading someone never really help? If I think they're bad, then their posts just sort of confirm that, and if I think they're good, their posts also make me think I'm right.
That's not what you said before. Like we literally had this discussion today where I made that argument but you were town reading me in one post then called my dizzy suspicion fake and scum shaded me, then continued to town read me. Going a bit low on the blows here, Luna.
Woah, okay. How is this a low blow? I'm saying personally, I know it won't help me to go back and re-read both your and Dizzy's posts right now because I've made my mind up, and will see things in that shade. I realize I have flipped my views on you multiple times, and already addressed that.

Sorry I misused low blow. I meant weak punches!

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:57 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:49 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:45 pm @Dyslexicon , don't forget I helped you lynch Quin while Dunya sat on the sidelines listing him as a "suspect" and just watched.
I haven't forgotten anything. If I'm wrong here, then I'm very sorry and I'll take full responsibility for it. I feel I've made up my mind. Trying not to overthink it now.
Both you and dunya can look SO genuine. Since your recent posts I'm convinced you're town. No hard feelings at all that you think dunya is town over me. She has played an excellent game, and I would probably chose the same if I were you.

You should change that to "since dunya decided I'm scum once and for all instead of you, I'm convinced you're town so you can hopefully help me win the game and vote dunya" :meanie:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:45 pm @Dyslexicon , don't forget I helped you lynch Quin while Dunya sat on the sidelines listing him as a "suspect" and just watched.

How can you even think as his scum mate, his vanilla scum mate, I would "just watch" him get lynched. How? How is that a magnificent scum game of mine? Eek.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:43 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:30 pm i wish i could stay up till 4am to change ya'lls minds, but i can't. it's 1.30am here and i got stuff to do.

reread me, dizzy, please. don't make this mistake.
Is it just me, or does re-reading someone never really help? If I think they're bad, then their posts just sort of confirm that, and if I think they're good, their posts also make me think I'm right.

That's not what you said before. Like we literally had this discussion today where I made that argument but you were town reading me in one post then called my dizzy suspicion fake and scum shaded me, then continued to town read me. Going a bit low on the blows here, Luna.

i wish i could stay up till 4am to change ya'lls minds, but i can't. it's 1.30am here and i got stuff to do.

reread me, dizzy, please. don't make this mistake.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:22 pm To whoever my town partner is: I'm sorry I didn't do a better job helping you find the last scum.

the game's not over yet, you have like 3 and a half hours. you haven't even attempted to iso me and actually try and have a solid case against me.

luckily, i'm probably going to sleep soon so you can have dizzy all to yourself without my influence if my insomnia doesnt keep me up.

also, i love how this LyLo is Girl Power Represent, and we all did an amazing job playing and getting here so let's pat each other on the backs.

when i read dizzy's iso, i see someone who is actually making reads, making observations, noticing things and asking about them. being impulsive. having a defence for every argument against him. game solving.

when i read luna's iso, i see someone who has made aimless observations, asked open ended questions and not followed up just for the sake of engaging the thread sometimes, and made the least amount of effort out of everyone else in lylo towards genuine game solving.

it comes a point in lylo where you have to list a person's contributions towards town and look at intentions and tone and decide if the good outweighs the bad. in dizzy's case, her iso is meaty and shows progression of thoughts and reads. in luna's case, her iso is lackluster and doesn't show me the progress of her reads or where most if not all her reads came from in the first place.

i don't care if luna calls it a scum-tell, i'm genuinely happy having my vote on her and feel comfortable there. there isn't much 'new' stuff i can case her with, and i've said my points several days ago, so whatever you choose dizzy is fine by me. i think i've played a game i can be happy with here any way (despite mislynching mac and TH and suspecting you for a long time and despite speedchuck saying i deserved to be lynched anyway lol). and i'm confident anyone who compares my iso to luna's can choose who's more town between us.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:50 pm And if dunya is pulling the wool over my eyes, she has a lot of wool and it's soft and I just want to know really.

right back atcha. if you're scum here, prepare to be policy lynched by me every game we ever play together. that's if i even sign up to any games with you in them.

(just kidding)

(kinda)

dizzy, why didn't i keep my vote on you when luna was there? i could have easily kept building and building my case and being determined it's you and no one else, and luna was happy to park it on you too. why did i read and make comparisons and decide luna was bad and flip to her?

why did i flip on mac in the same way when i was sure speed was town, even though speed was scum reading me and mac was practically TOWN CONFIRMING me all over the thread?

how would i have nk'd sabie when i wasn't here before she role claimed?

if i was quin's teammate and saw that it was 2-2-2, why didn't i do something more to remove the vote off him? do i strike you as the type of person who would see her teammate in a three way tie and decide to go to sleep and leave town to deal with it without influencing it till the very last minute?

dunya has an amazing scumdar. ask speedchuck about it the time i replaced into MK and called the scum team and then was mislynched for it the same day. the fact i tone read quin as having contributed but not enough to earn him a spot in my town table is very town-like of me. i'm all intuition, baby.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:49 pm Going back to voting Dunya. Why? Because Dunya has approached this lylo day with facts, reviewing old games, analyzing if dizzy or I would or wouldn't do certian things. She even made a post saying, "no matter who wins, I've enjoyed playing with all of you." This (to me) looks like an ideal scum play.

Dizzy has approached this lylo day with stress, waffling between me and dunya, and passionate posts. Just looks more like a freaked out town play to me.

and you've done neither of those.

Luna back to voting for me after she saw I wasn't budging to Dizzy.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:36 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:27 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:48 pm My post count has nothing to do with my alignment at all. I'm not fucking hiding,
kinda surprised at this language.

1st of all, dizzy, your post count is third highest in the game (probably soon to be 2nd since speed is dead) so no one can accuse you of hiding or lurking here. if i were scum in your shoes and i saw the other two players go at each other, honestly, i wouldn't interfere for a while to get the tinfoil rising. so it wouldn't be a slight in your honor if you did that as scum in lylo. just sayin.

secondly, yeah, the language surprised me. i don't recall dizzy cursing a lot, especially when they are angry, in the games i read today. seems passionate, genuine offence at the accusation.
I'm sorry if players dislike cursing, I do get angry in games sometimes if I'm stressed in real life too especially, and that is true now. Which again, is why I'm breaking after this game cause I got too pissed for my liking last game on my home site too. And I really did not want to get mislynched because I can't be around. But I don't mean to be disrespectful.

i didn't mean i dislike it, i meant it wasn't very in character of what i've seen of you so far and it struck me as something different from a tone pov and it was worth pointing out. i've seen you get frustrated as scum in currents, but i think you were still more reserved. it reminds me of me when i'm scum; i can see people's povs and i know i'm bad and they are justified in their suspicions so i don't feel as offended by them scum reading me as i do when i am town. townies being accused over and over is draining and frustrating. it's the same if i were scum, only i wouldn't feel as frustrated.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:45 pm I feel like I have reasons to town read dunya, but my heart isn't >_>

i know what you mean, i really wanted you to be bad so that i could have been right about you all along.

if you're bad, i won't even be pissed anymore. you deserve to win, you've played a heck of a tight game and i'm impressed either way with the effort you displayed and so glad we finally played together.

i am not having a good day today and got some pretty upsetting news about my health; i know this is lylo so i'm trying to be present now that i am home but i don't really have much "new" to offer beyond what i've said in my iso.

if ya'll have specific questions or whatever, @ me.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:03 pm Are you capable of a scum win this magnificent? Because I know I'm not, but I suspect this is nothing new for dunya if she's scum.

you claimed to not even remember scum dunya, despite playing with her in Ancient Greece, and I had to refresh your memory in this game and you still alluded to not remembering well. now you're praising scum dunya as something magnificent? i mean, i'm honored, and flattered, but town dunya has always been far stronger than scum dunya. i got people who can vouch for that.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:37 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:44 pm [sabie stuff]

I'm going to do what my heart has been telling me since day 0 and vote Dizzy.
Gurl. The reason I voted sabie was actually to protect her. She was widely town read and if she was in face PT, then that is bad, cause town read players get killed faster.

I actually believe this when I look at your "and other raisins" part of the post which I'm pretty sure you expected to be asked about some time eventually.

dizzy: if i am bad, and mac had such a strong town read on me, why would i have encouraged his lynch instead of trying to influence it in speed's direction where it was headed for one point of the day before i chickened? just revisit that part as well, because there's no way scum dunya would have played it that way. look at the indecision and how badly i misread his intentions. where's the tmi in that? then look at luna trying to steer us towards me or speed before mac was even lynched. very different voices.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:09 am I think if Mac is town, then Dunya is probably bad. Thoughts?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:20 pm You guys sure about this MacDougal vote? I mean speed or dunya are still viable options.

16 hours between these posts. really pushing the TMI on mac being town here. hate it, especially considering she was on mac herself.

i'm going to bed. i have a hectic and busy day tomorrow and probably doing things in the evening so i'm not sure how much i can convince dizzy i'm town, but i feel like i've left it all in this game already and if they read my posts and read luna's, they can determine who's town.

see ya tomorrow, peeps.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:23 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:20 am
dunya wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:15 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:05 am oh, sorry, should have read your post closer. I actually had stuff going on and couldn't be around at EOD. I just posted that because I wasn't fully sold on the Mac lynch, but since everyone else was, I didn't think it too likely I could convince anyone on a different lynch. Also I didn't have time to post an argument on anyone else. So yeah. I guess it was a useless post, but I made it anyways.
considering you just town-credded speed, am i to assume the person you were trying to convince everyone else to lynch instead of mac is me? can you tell me why?
I don't trust either of you. But yeah, I think you're more likely to be bad than speedchuck now. And if you're scum, you're doing a great job leading town, which is scary. I don't want to mis-lynch Dizzy if you're bad.
one example of accusations without direction or content: i'm likely to be more bad than speedchuck.

why?

no reasons given. no context to it. pretty lackluster

also kinda untrue. i haven't been able to lead town anywhere. i've spent this whole game trying to fend off accusations and contributed to the mislynch of the only guy who saw townie dunia. so this is a terrible game for me.

i'd be curious to see where you think i've "led town" anywhere.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:48 pm My post count has nothing to do with my alignment at all. I'm not fucking hiding,

kinda surprised at this language.

1st of all, dizzy, your post count is third highest in the game (probably soon to be 2nd since speed is dead) so no one can accuse you of hiding or lurking here. if i were scum in your shoes and i saw the other two players go at each other, honestly, i wouldn't interfere for a while to get the tinfoil rising. so it wouldn't be a slight in your honor if you did that as scum in lylo. just sayin.

secondly, yeah, the language surprised me. i don't recall dizzy cursing a lot, especially when they are angry, in the games i read today. seems passionate, genuine offence at the accusation.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:20 am
dunya wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:15 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:05 am oh, sorry, should have read your post closer. I actually had stuff going on and couldn't be around at EOD. I just posted that because I wasn't fully sold on the Mac lynch, but since everyone else was, I didn't think it too likely I could convince anyone on a different lynch. Also I didn't have time to post an argument on anyone else. So yeah. I guess it was a useless post, but I made it anyways.
considering you just town-credded speed, am i to assume the person you were trying to convince everyone else to lynch instead of mac is me? can you tell me why?
I don't trust either of you. But yeah, I think you're more likely to be bad than speedchuck now. And if you're scum, you're doing a great job leading town, which is scary. I don't want to mis-lynch Dizzy if you're bad.

one example of accusations without direction or content: i'm likely to be more bad than speedchuck.

why?

no reasons given. no context to it. pretty lackluster

do you know, i think in every civ game i've seen of luna (and i read all of them today), she does this list of players with a little blurb about what she thinks of them. you did 1 rainbow in this game on night 1, without any real content. that also seems like a lack of direction and trying to play a really laid back and relaxed game, riding your quin-lynch credit. in all the civ games i read, i also saw pointed efforts towards reading players and putting them in alignments or digging up reasons for why they could be bad. i don't remember much of that here at all.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:10 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:07 pm yikes, i think i'm pretty sold on it being luna now the more i think about quin's d1 vote/luna's d1 vote, the fact luna wasn't around for 4 hours before eod 1, the fact luna was around when sabie role revealed n1, and the speedchuck nk last night.
What should I do to help convince you otherwise? Just the way Dizzy popped in here and what she said looked bad to me. How do you not see that?

explain what looked bad about it in particular, please?

quin loves bussing and distancing strategies. i find it peculiar he would just ignore dizzy outright in the thread when called upon by dizzy if they were teammates. and quin did come back after voting luna (which was really strange to begin with) to quote sabie and ask her why on something like 12 hours later.

if quin named three people suspicious for not liking a no lynch: 1. luna 2. dunya and 3. speed

speed flipped town. i'm town. why wouldn't the scum PR have shaded the vanilla scum on d1 when it didn't seem like anyone but me or dizzy were getting lynched?

yikes, i think i'm pretty sold on it being luna now the more i think about quin's d1 vote/luna's d1 vote, the fact luna wasn't around for 4 hours before eod 1, the fact luna was around when sabie role revealed n1, and the speedchuck nk last night.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:59 pm I was asked a direct question by TH, and when I though about it, I realized your suspicions of Dizzy were strange. I didn't think I had to align my immediate reaction with all of my previous reads on you.

this doesn't seem genuine to me. for example, I had a town read on daisy. speed came in a interpreted her post with a scum-mindset. I took that post and corrected it, because I was seeing Daisy with a town mindset so I see town motives in her actions rather than scum ones. I have never town read someone and come back 10 mins later when asked about them to shade them as scum, then continue to read them as town. it's...weird.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:48 pm But for me to be scum I literally have to willfully bus Quin and then laugh in his face about it. That's just not me. I

i sorta agree from what i saw in currents, but there was a certain element of fake bussing involved even there. serious question: if quin had told you to lynch him, would you have done it?

(im joking, i don't love it) (that was sarcasm) (this is terribru)

i love the vote count right now. let's all keep it like that and leave it to fate to determine who wins.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:51 pm Actually, I'm going to vote dunya and see how that feels.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:48 pmHi, dunya.

offtopic, but you were a joy to read in currents. i wish you posted more gifs in all your games, especially cat ones. ily <3

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:56 pm Also I think Speed v Dunya is Town v Town. Dunya mentioned the godfather role on instinct, because it's a pretty common role in mafia. But I think she's wrong because it sounds to me like scum would have an extra shot ability instead of godfather ability.

this posts reads like tmi. luna knows there is no godfather. she's making excuses to why i would "think" a godfather exists.

why would jay give both the scum and town an extra kill ability in a 9-player heist? luna has played enough heists to know the format of these games imo. she was trying to throw us off guard a little there.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:35 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:33 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:25 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:47 pm Ooooh dunya is scum for a fact
What about dunya looks scummy?
Meh I'm on the fence now. Does anyone feel like they have a clear grasp of what her town and scum games are? I know Daisy is townreading her.
My read is that if dunya posts a lot and seems excited about solving the game and is being helpful, then she's town. But I don't think I've played a scum game with her, so I'm not sure how good she is at pretending to be town when she's not.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:49 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:44 pm @Lunalee what do you think of dunya's suss of Dizzy?
fake, because she's not even voting for Dizzy. She suspected them before they showed up in thread, then as soon as they say "Hi Dunya" she seems to drop it.

can you explain the thought process between these two posts? they were made like 10 mins within each other. in the first you are town reading me, in the second you're basically saying i'm being fake and if i am town i have no business being fake, because all my accusations would be genuine so i'm not sure how that happened.

the first post also strikes me as someone who wants to say something good about someone, but immediately cancel it out with something bad. it's almost as awful as the "interesting" post you made imo.

damn it, the only real comparisons are cowardly and DFS and in both of those, like Hogwarts, you made a more concentrated effort at "solving" the game than kinda riding your townie cred on the quin lynch and not much more till the last stage and even then, you were still using other people's arguments rather than bringing anything of your own.

the timing of this game was unfortunate, since you were in Hogwarts, but I dunno man. I gotta sleep on it. on one hand, you seem so genuine when you tell me how scummy you think you look and i wanna kinda believe you and hug you and win this game with you, but then i reread your iso here and i feel kinda cold and unwelcome.

The DFS mafia link in your post leads to Friends btw.

linki lol yea

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:23 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:15 pm I know that game very well, I followed it post for post. I mean, I realize what you're saying but every time I read you in Hogwarts I feel less convinced this is the town you so I dunno if that's in your favor to have me looking at Hogwarts again (I did ftr, I looked at your last day before being lynched).

one thing that caught my attention was how you aren't as forceful as scum, "I'm less forceful as scum. And have more of a "you've got me" attitude when I get cornered."

that was similar to the attitude you gave me after i presented a "why it's luna" post on you. wouldn't you say that?
Yeah, I might be pulling a Dizzy if I were scum, and just hide from the game. Instead I'm here and actually trying to solve it with you. The "why it's Luna" post just made me sigh and think, "yeah, I did all that scummy looking stuff, and dunya wants to know why, and telling her I don't know isn't going to cut it," So I just wanted to ignore it. But I still responded to it as best as I could. I haven't learned the art of not looking scummy in mafia games. Like really, I don't understand what I should or shouldn't say, and getting called out on that when I'm town just puts me in a very confusing spot.

I can definitely relate to your last sentence...

which makes me feel like a huge ass to have suspected the only person who actually townread me this game. RIP Mac, I'll never forget.

sorry, i have signatures disabled so i can't see any lol (i hate signatures distracting in the game thread between posts)

Luna, can you tell me another town game you've played on here other than Hogwarts and Ancient Greece, please?

i literally feel awful right now

i don't wanna fuck this up for town and dizzy not being here is not making this easier.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:48 pm I sort of hope I die tonight, because if I don't dunya I will probably end up lynched tomorrow based off Dunya's analyses of my posts, and right now I don't feel like putting forth the energy to try to stop it.

I know that game very well, I followed it post for post. I mean, I realize what you're saying but every time I read you in Hogwarts I feel less convinced this is the town you so I dunno if that's in your favor to have me looking at Hogwarts again (I did ftr, I looked at your last day before being lynched).

one thing that caught my attention was how you aren't as forceful as scum, "I'm less forceful as scum. And have more of a "you've got me" attitude when I get cornered."

that was similar to the attitude you gave me after i presented a "why it's luna" post on you. wouldn't you say that?

luna is right, she's scummy as scum and she's scummy as town. it's absurd someone so sweet and adorable and cute can come across so scummy in mafia

reread luna in ancient greece.

well.

that was educational.

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