The Syndicate

I just feel wary of the fact no one has been blocked before you. The role block is extremely powerful and I don't get why they'd decide to sleep on it. Unless it's one-shot?

I asked Epi again if my protect would protect you from a block. But I think the fact he answered about night kill answers that but we'll see.

Kites wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:05 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:54 pmFtr, I have never seen a stump in a mafia game and I don't know if Kites has either. Never heard of it before people here told me about it. Never seen it on RYM.

I was a civ stump in Mac’s U-pick game

I don't even remember that lol. Or that you were playing? Sorry!

Worst memory ever.

Kites wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 3:42 pm kinda wish dunya was dead so I didn’t have to go through all of those posts
real talk, I was a bit suspicious of her because I wanted to lynch Eloh and dunya was so hard against it and helped Eloh survive. But reading her posts and her read on Eloh I can now see where she’s coming from, and I think I understand Eloh somewhat better too. All in all I don’t really have much against dunya, not gonna vote her today

Anyways I thought this could be a possible TMI post, I don’t think she’s bad but I will post it anyways because why not

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:45 am holy shit, good job long con!

if there is a vig among us, take mr. ofhearts out immediately. go.

and i'm with speedchuck on this; long con wouldn't lie. he has nothing to gain and everything to lose especially when the claim was made at the start of another night. and if i had an investigative role, i'd out myself when i hit gold with someone if i don't have enough power to case them. i think almost everyone had jack in their town pile. long con certified town.

Long Con had just told us the result and Jack hadn’t even responded with his nonsense yet. Others were somewhat skeptical of this information but dunya goes and calls LC a confirmed civ already. Think she was maybe too certain and quick with that conclusion?

If you click on that post and read everyone's reactions after me and a little before me, you'll come to the same conclusion. I'm someone who plays fast and hard. I don't like to sit on the fence when I see something logically that makes sense one way and doesn't make much sense another way. I form quick conclusions and decisions because I always think intuition is right the first time around before you overthink things and apply too much emotion and scenarios into something. It's over confidence, maybe, but I'm not wishy washy.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:03 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:06 am Spacedaisy kinda saved me. She told me to protect myself after I role claimed. I didn't clarify that self-targeting wasn't allowed, and maybe the mafia thought I would. Neither is double targeting, though, so I protected Luna on the off chance she's civ and Mafia would kill her before she could use her lie detect on anyone. That clearly didn't happen.

I have never been a doctor in all my mafia career and this game has been the worst in my civ power use history. I'm really sorry everyone.

I just saw this. Dunya, does your role have any fine-print I should know? Anything other than a basic protect? Most everyone else's roles in this game are a little more complicated than a traditional mafia role, and doctor seems pretty vague. Either your action on me last night prevented my ability, or someone else also targeted me.

I already explained that. I only earn a doctor protect when I don't get voted in the poll. Also, the time LC skipped Day 2 meant I skipped my ability to gain a protect.

PS. Epi answered me partially and said that my protect does not affect your role ability. It only protects you from night kills.

It's midnight and I just got home like 30 minutes ago. I'm literally pooped guys.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 3:35 pm I will have to do some reading before I name anyone who I think is bad. There are many alternatives.

Also @dunya I don't understand why do don't see me and Kites as compatible teammates. I have defended him all game (and not to pocket you Kites, it was because I thought the suspicions of you were wrong). So I don't understand that and it makes me go hmmm.

I already explained. Kite's treatment of you when he agreed with me the stump didn't have to be town. I was the only one making such statements, he could have easily shut that down or disagreeing.

Ftr, I have never seen a stump in a mafia game and I don't know if Kites has either. Never heard of it before people here told me about it. Never seen it on RYM.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 3:06 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 11:31 am I would be less reluctant to trust her if she had used it. I can't believe she didn't use it on Long Con for example if she was bad.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. Why would she have used it on LC if bad? Wouldn't it have just made him target Jack again but he couldn't because Jack was dead? And he couldn't repeat his vote because Jack was dead. Maybe I'm not understanding her power.

I meant at any point in the game. We were all going off the assumption that LC was town clearing people. I struggle to believe that mafia had a role blocker and Eloh's role and didn't use it on him to make sure he was limited in who he can check.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 1:08 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 1:05 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:58 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:36 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:32 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:30 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:25 pm
I'm looking closer at the role Juliets claims to have, and it looks like it has to be civ, since I don't think we had any town killers in this game (at most 1 kill per night sort of confirms that).

Unless Epi made all the roles, and then randomized the alignments. Then such a judgment becomes completely moot.

sure I guess. That just really wouldn't make much sense though.

Why?

to have a useless role as mafia? It just doesn't make sense. The only use would be to role-claim so you look town.

Role claim so you can last till end game and have a valid excuse why you weren't night killed. That's useless as mafia?

I mean that does sound very useful as mafia. I should probably not assume too much about how Epi set up roles in this game, but you said yourself at one point that a mafia stump role would be ridiculous.

Sure, but the more I think about it the more it doesn't sound entirely impossible to me

I still don't understand how some people have lived and seen insanifiers and silencers in a town capacity before this game.

Why didn't you think speed was bad when he did that? [mention]Lunalee[/mention]

I have to go, I'll be back later. Please no one stop talking.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:57 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:38 pm Luna's reaction to speed getting lynched looks like TMI in retrospect.

how? I was convinced he was town since night 2

Your unwillingness to say speedchuck is lying about your role when he did the whole role cop episode was weird as hell to me. You were insanified and if he had been mislynched that phase, your handling of him seems like someone who didn't want to be associated with the lynch. That's the TMI I'm talking about. If I had BTSC with speedchuck, role claimed to him, agreed to be insanified through him, then come into the thread and find him claiming a wholly different role for me I would not be saying he misremembered, that's for sure lol.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:58 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:36 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:32 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:30 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:25 pm
I'm looking closer at the role Juliets claims to have, and it looks like it has to be civ, since I don't think we had any town killers in this game (at most 1 kill per night sort of confirms that).

Unless Epi made all the roles, and then randomized the alignments. Then such a judgment becomes completely moot.

sure I guess. That just really wouldn't make much sense though.

Why?

to have a useless role as mafia? It just doesn't make sense. The only use would be to role-claim so you look town.

Role claim so you can last till end game and have a valid excuse why you weren't night killed. That's useless as mafia?

Luna/Kites
Luna/Eloh
Luna/juliets
Kites/Eloh

Those are the teams that are plausible in my head right now. I don't think juliets and Eloh make sense as teammates based on how juliets treated Eloh most of the game and the whole episode where Eloh seemed genuinely offended by something juliets said. I don't think Kites and juliets make sense as teammates either, I can't say off the top of my head why, but if Kites was her teammate I don't think he would made that post where he discredited her role as a fool proof townie indicator. I could see juliets defence of Luna on Day 6 as teammate behavior. Luna fits in most teams. I promise to ISO her before end of day when I get home from work. We are at MyLo now for certain and I suck in these end games and especially with Luna.

This is also why I tinfoil on juliets. I don't think she'd ever kill me as a baddie.

If I were bad, I'd have taken full credit for the no kill N2 based on my LC protect. I clarified with Epi on N5 on my own. Found out I hadn't protected him, and came in and told everyone. Speedchuck was going to townfirm me for it. I corrected him. In what world does a bad dunya do that? Not this one.

Saying things like "dunya shouldn't be alive" also makes my stomach churn considering how often I do last. Just recently, you and me lasted till LyLo in the Space Force game. Do you remember? Why was I alive there? Considering I'd been N1 killed 3 games in a row, I kind of appreciate whoever left me alive tbh (even though I did complain about it).

Kites wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:44 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 11:15 am

Kites wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:11 am

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:08 am Can't wrap my head around the fact that Luna has a role that she hasn't been able to use in 8 days (or 7 since we can't count Day 1).

@Kites is your role like DDL's?

I can remove one person from the poll. I can use it every night but I only once on myself. Kept it secret and didn’t use until now. For self preservation and to make sure civs don’t lose for mislynching me

and yes I can vote

Why did you never use it until now on your strongest town reads, for example?

I just didn’t want to mess with the polls or accidently protect a baddie. Being safe from the lynch can make people less productive too

Do you feel less productive?

Luna's reaction to speed getting lynched looks like TMI in retrospect.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:25 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 11:18 am Still no answer from Epignosis.

@Lunalee so have you been guessing number of people to vote every day?

What are you trying to ask him? Is it wrong for me to ask him since he and I share a private discord to talk throughout the day?

I think I'd rather him reply to my PM when he gets on. He asked us to PM questions and considering how a lot of people broke that rule already, I'd rather not.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:32 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:30 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:25 pm
I'm looking closer at the role Juliets claims to have, and it looks like it has to be civ, since I don't think we had any town killers in this game (at most 1 kill per night sort of confirms that).

Unless Epi made all the roles, and then randomized the alignments. Then such a judgment becomes completely moot.

sure I guess. That just really wouldn't make much sense though.

Why?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:32 pm yo @dunya is your role listed in the page 1 post?

No.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:29 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:20 pm My problem with juliets is how she has treated me specifically, how she had me as her second suspect but didn't have a single reason why I'm bad beyond using Mata as a reason as soon as she was killed. She came in strong about it as soon as Mata died. I also hate how she kept pushing roles to be alignment indicative in this game.

Her frustration with me for suspecting her seemed genuine though. I really hate to make juliets feel like she's not enjoying a game so I feel like an ass if I do and silly if I don't.

I get that you don't trust juliets for the way she's treated you, but that really isn't the best reason to suspect someone. Juliets genuinely suspects you, so of course you might not like the way she's expressed that. I personally don't see a big problem with it, because I suspect you too.

Since when do you suspect me? Defending juliets and shading me in one post reeks of opportunism tbh.

My problem with juliets is how she has treated me specifically, how she had me as her second suspect but didn't have a single reason why I'm bad beyond using Mata as a reason as soon as she was killed. She came in strong about it as soon as Mata died. I also hate how she kept pushing roles to be alignment indicative in this game.

Her frustration with me for suspecting her seemed genuine though. I really hate to make juliets feel like she's not enjoying a game so I feel like an ass if I do and silly if I don't.

This is also the first time we've heard someone is "blocked" since nova died. I struggle to believe mafia have decided to forego their block up until Night 7.

If roles aren't alignment indicative, why isn't juliets a suspect to you?

We are in MyLo. We have 5 people on the lynch and we know for a fact at least 1 is bad.

Everyone state 2 names they would be most willing to lynch and let's go from there.

Another example of when mafia Eloh would have used it is when Jay insanified Luna. If she were insanified the next day too, it would have been an easy lynch there. Unless Luna/Eloh and w/w.

My POE today would have been between Luna and Kites really.

juliets my tinfoil

I would be less reluctant to trust her if she had used it. I can't believe she didn't use it on Long Con for example if she was bad.

Point is, I do understand Eloh's reluctance to use something like that if she's a civilian. It's hard to be that confident in restricting someone's vote AND night power in a role madness game.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:04 am Can anyone think of a good way to use Elo's power, whether it be for civs or against civs? Did someone already give an example? I just can't wrap my head around it. Epi had to have something in mind.

Imagine Long Con wasn't one shot, and he was forced to target the same person every night. Less chance of him netting another scum. Imagine Spacedaisy could only choose the same 3 songs and not reveal more roles. Imagine Jay had to insanify the same person twice. Imagine speedchuck could only invite the same person to BTSC. Imagine nutella had to role cop check the same person. It's clearly a net positive for mafia and a net negative for civilians. Not to mention any restrictive roles on voting is bad imo. Nothing ever good comes out of restricting a townie's vote. If I were Eloh, I would have used my role on my biggest suspects tbh. I don't know, maybe I wouldn't have. But I probably would have because it's a strong role. If I was mafia, I would 100% have used it.

Still no answer from Epignosis.

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] so have you been guessing number of people to vote every day?

Kites wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:11 am

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:08 am Can't wrap my head around the fact that Luna has a role that she hasn't been able to use in 8 days (or 7 since we can't count Day 1).

@Kites is your role like DDL's?

I can remove one person from the poll. I can use it every night but I only once on myself. Kept it secret and didn’t use until now. For self preservation and to make sure civs don’t lose for mislynching me

and yes I can vote

Why did you never use it until now on your strongest town reads, for example?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:55 am

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:28 am

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:06 am Spacedaisy kinda saved me. She told me to protect myself after I role claimed. I didn't clarify that self-targeting wasn't allowed, and maybe the mafia thought I would. Neither is double targeting, though, so I protected Luna on the off chance she's civ and Mafia would kill her before she could use her lie detect on anyone. That clearly didn't happen.

I have never been a doctor in all my mafia career and this game has been the worst in my civ power use history. I'm really sorry everyone.

Does your role protect from just kills or does it protect from any power?

I asked Epi already, obviously he's asleep. If I somehow blocked Luna then I deserve worst player award. I don't think I block, but we'll see. Traditional doctors don't block, but this game is a mindfuck and nothing will surprise me.

Oh wait, I see what you mean. Does my doctor protect her from blocks or just NKs. I'll ask Epi that too.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:54 am

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:08 am Can't wrap my head around the fact that Luna has a role that she hasn't been able to use in 8 days (or 7 since we can't count Day 1).

@Kites is your role like DDL's?

I can't find DDL's role description "Bad Sneakers" in the OP. Am I blind? Anyway, can you remind me what his ability was?

He can choose any 5 names to be on the poll on 1 occasion.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:28 am

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:06 am Spacedaisy kinda saved me. She told me to protect myself after I role claimed. I didn't clarify that self-targeting wasn't allowed, and maybe the mafia thought I would. Neither is double targeting, though, so I protected Luna on the off chance she's civ and Mafia would kill her before she could use her lie detect on anyone. That clearly didn't happen.

I have never been a doctor in all my mafia career and this game has been the worst in my civ power use history. I'm really sorry everyone.

Does your role protect from just kills or does it protect from any power?

I asked Epi already, obviously he's asleep. If I somehow blocked Luna then I deserve worst player award. I don't think I block, but we'll see. Traditional doctors don't block, but this game is a mindfuck and nothing will surprise me.

[mention]Kites[/mention] can you still vote?

Or is it like, "you can remove yourself from the poll"?

Can't wrap my head around the fact that Luna has a role that she hasn't been able to use in 8 days (or 7 since we can't count Day 1).

[mention]Kites[/mention] is your role like DDL's?

Spacedaisy kinda saved me. She told me to protect myself after I role claimed. I didn't clarify that self-targeting wasn't allowed, and maybe the mafia thought I would. Neither is double targeting, though, so I protected Luna on the off chance she's civ and Mafia would kill her before she could use her lie detect on anyone. That clearly didn't happen.

I have never been a doctor in all my mafia career and this game has been the worst in my civ power use history. I'm really sorry everyone.

Spacedaisy

I gotta admit, I don't want to ruin the game for you juliets. I know how bad you feel when someone accuses you when you are civilian (like Sloonei did) for example. I apologize if I'm doing that. I won't apologize for asking you to tell me why you think I'm bad outside of Mata, though. It doesn't matter if you didn't vote for me; it doesn't matter if I'm just a name in your POE; I was your second biggest scum read behind Eloh. You gave Eloh a lot of reasons. You didn't give me one. I'm just confused why that means I was unfairly pounding you if I asked for something and didn't get it.

Again, I seriously don't want to ruin the game for you or anyone else. I feel like I personally offended you, and you know how much I love you and would absolutely hate you feeling like it's not nice playing with me. Makes me feel like a big gigantic ass. The reason I asked you specifically is because I felt like you were setting me up since Mata's kill without making a commitment and voting me. That's why I didn't care about the votes as much as I cared about your reasons so that I can get to the root cause of the suspicions. Do you understand what I mean?

It doesn't really matter anyway. It's my mom's bday today and I'm invested in that. Sorry I can't be around more. Please please please don't hate me outside this game, juliets. I love you.

[mention]Elohcin[/mention] please post "I am Do it Again. I haven't targeted anyone from Nights 1-6. I am a civilian."

Do we think Eloh should target someone tonight? I don't think locking a vote on anyone is good, but double targeting can be....but I'm open to hearing counterarguments. Can she target either me or Kites if speedchuck died? Do you know, Eloh?

Kites wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 9:30 am

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 9:06 am I participated yesterday and got pounded unfairly. I likely won't make that mistake again today unless there are several people involved in a discussion. I hope someone will step up and keep the conversation going. @Kites I have defended you twice now, I would appreciate hearing some of your thoughts about where we are.

I wish I had stuck with Eloh now. dunya kind of convinced me + speed doing the last minute reads based on roles (which seemed fake cos it’s been proven roles aren’t alignment indicative and lynching someone for not claiming is a weak reason) made me switch

I hope luna can reveal something good the next day, provided she doesn’t get killed, or that she isn’t bad

Whatever luna says we can’t blindly follow, we must lynch a baddie or we are done

Who do you think is bad right now?

[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] can you explain why you decided to move off speed?

Well that sucks. I'm sorry, speedchuck. Thought the defeatist attitude in the end was kind of a surrender.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 9:06 am I participated yesterday and got pounded unfairly.

Can you explain what you mean by "got pounded unfairly"?

If you're referring to me, I feel terrible you think I was being unfair to you. I only asked something I think I am entitled to know as the recipient of your ongoing shade and suspicions for a few days because I had been holding off on it too long and the tinfoil was beginning to hit me hard on why you're saying dunya is probably bad based on a dead player's words and adding nothing else. You still haven't. Your entire suspicion on me is based on Mata. Entirely. If not, you haven't set the record straight and that confuses me too. If anything, I have felt unfairly targeted by you ever since Mata died. I can't defend myself against a dead player's words and we'll never know why the dead player had those thoughts (even though I explained 100 different ways why Mata could have suspected me and what really happened to the point where Mata was saying she doesn't think I'm a red suspect anymore). You didn't strike me as someone willing to listen and I attribute that to mafia behavior.

I don't care about your roleclaim anymore, that's my point. And other behavior, especially your unwillingness yesterday to revisit people you have down town based on nothing more than speculation still triggers me. You didn't even budge off Eloh when she roleclaimed, and it was apparent she had never used her role. Why would Eloh or her teammates not use her role? It makes 0 sense to me. I just don't see the hesitation of a townie in you.

Epignosis isn't here. I don't know if my heart can last to see the flip.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:57 pm Dunya, I don’t think Speed looks bad. Any chance you think kites could be?

Sorry, speed has done more things that I perceive as bad. He makes sense as a teammate with literally anyone (even Kites, even now).

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:54 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:53 pm I've focused on roles for like two weeks eight years and don't really know how to read without them. Voting Juliets or Luna or Daisy would go against my very being.

This game is an existential crisis for me.

lol, just hope juliets doesn't flip as a mafia stump.

I would die. Seriously. I would hate epi.

Eloh/speed w/w? o.o

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:49 pm What good is it to us that Luna lie detect the same person two nights in a row?

Word. I'm not following.