The Syndicate

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 2:58 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 2:56 pm predict number nine?

you predict the ninth person to vote?
Predict the number of people that voted in the lynch

[mention]juliets[/mention] here it is. I'm not an English analyst but that sounds like people who voted in the lynch of person who is lynched? Otherwise he'd say predict the number of people who vote on any day?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:15 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:12 pm Like, this is essential. If it's the latter, I'm voting Luna.
Did Luna say she had to guess the total number of people who voted the person who was lynched? I mean, don't take what I said as gospel because I could have misunderstood what speed said. It would be very easy on this particular issue.

I thought speed said guess the number of people on the lynch. I need to find the post

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:01 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 6:59 pm I feel the worst about having to defend Eloh more than Eloh is willing to defend herself. That's the one beef I can state.
Yes thats the other thing. I don't think she's even reading the posts, much less responding to them.

Is that a mafia Eloh? I thought she's won the most games as mafia on The Syndicate. Seems a feat if she accomplishes that while lurking. Is she usually this disconnected? I don't remember it of her mafia play in Mountains (except for excuses why she wasn't caught up all the time). I don't feel like she's making as many excuses this game. Am I overanalyzing this? Maybe.

Like, this is essential. If it's the latter, I'm voting Luna.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:29 am We planned in BTSC not to vote till the last second for reasons related to her role.

Confused

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:04 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:01 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 6:58 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 6:51 pm Saying "I'll prove it tomorrow" is cool and all and made me back off but you just told us that you have to predict how many people lynch someone. Providing us with no direction seems shady to me.
I thought she had to predict how many people voted in the Lynch, not how many voted for the person who died. But there's been so much confusion about her role I don't know what to believe any more.
I don't know. I hate everything about this "lie detector" claim.
Yes, the only thing I'm convinced of is that somewhere in her role the words "lie" and "detector" exist because she was able to say them for me.

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] does Luna have to predict total number of people who vote in the day phase or total number of people who vote to execute a lynch on anyone?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 6:58 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 6:51 pm Saying "I'll prove it tomorrow" is cool and all and made me back off but you just told us that you have to predict how many people lynch someone. Providing us with no direction seems shady to me.
I thought she had to predict how many people voted in the Lynch, not how many voted for the person who died. But there's been so much confusion about her role I don't know what to believe any more.

I don't know. I hate everything about this "lie detector" claim.

I feel the worst about having to defend Eloh more than Eloh is willing to defend herself. That's the one beef I can state.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 6:54 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 6:48 pm I feel bad about it too, but I'm still not sold on Eloh.

Why are you voting Eloh jules?
I just don't think she is acting like a civ. That post at Mac's eod for one - I know people are saying would a mafia Elo do that? I say she would - I think she just lost her temper because she was so angry he was getting voted off while he was asleep. I just can't find posts that say "here is a civ". And her tone feels off to me. I could be dead wrong but I don't feel this is the same Elo that was in GG.

Fair. Do you think the size and pace of the game could be contributing factors? Kinda hard to compare this beast to GG that had like 2 new posts every phase after you and Jay died lol.

Saying "I'll prove it tomorrow" is cool and all and made me back off but you just told us that you have to predict how many people lynch someone. Providing us with no direction seems shady to me.

I'm more concerned with how Lunalee didn't care to direct us who to vote for and how many votes she predicted in order to "prove her role" whatever that means in this setup.

I don't like that.

I feel bad about it too, but I'm still not sold on Eloh.

Why are you voting Eloh jules?

Does day end in 30 minutes?

What are you thinking juliets?

I don't know how I feel about all of this. Very cloudy. With a chance of raining meatballs

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:57 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:49 pm luna lie detection next day. Change lynch.
@Long Con @speedchuck @Elohcin @JaggedJimmyJay

You cant promise a lie detect if we don't coordinate the lynch and numbers.

Did you predict DDL is going to be lynched?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:20 am The mafia utility of a lie detector is of course limited. It isn't non-existent though, as it can help them to distinguish fake civilian role/action claims and build their game theory. Obviously a silencer like leetic is just about worthless as a civilian role anyway, so the setup does not care about these things.

I would lynch her. I'm not impressed by a vote on me based on my own voting record.

What I would most like to do today and will absolutely not be able to do is check the interactions of living pairs and find the most appropriate teams. Someone else might be able to help me out though. I don't need a huge ISO review post. I just want someone to check them out, come to a conclusion, and share that conclusion. Start with these interactions:

DDL/Elohcin
DDL/Luna
Luna/Elohcin

If you want, go beyond that. Add Neverwhere and all of the two-way interactions that she can be featured in. Figure out who makes sense as mafia teammates and who doesn't. That can help narrow things down a lot.

Jay, from page 64 where Epi announced start of Day 6 till this post no one mentioned lie detect. What's up?

I'm doing it [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:49 pm luna lie detection next day. Change lynch.

Who should we lynch?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:47 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:42 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:39 pm Oh good @dunya you're here. Why are so many voting Luna if she is a lie detector? Doesn't seem like that would be a very helpful role for the mafia.
The roles are pointless to attribute alignment. That's the whole point. Jack was a fake doctor. Leetic was a silencer. Outside of this claim, why is Luna town? Speedchuck said she told him she was a role cop. That's a significant inconsistency. I am waiting for host clarification on Jay's "Lie detector" blip. I should be doing other things now but I'm glued to mafia. Shame on me.
Yeah, Jay is gone to a hockey game and didn't seem like he would be back before EOD. I know you should be doing other things, you have so much to do. Also, Luna hasn't done anything I guess to make me call her civ it's just that I would like for her to be able to explain this whole mess from her viewpoint. I guess a lie detector could be mafia but I just don't get it if it is. I had an easier time believing a role cop could be mafia.

Would you have believed a silencer was town?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:39 pm Oh good @dunya you're here. Why are so many voting Luna if she is a lie detector? Doesn't seem like that would be a very helpful role for the mafia.

The roles are pointless to attribute alignment. That's the whole point. Jack was a fake doctor. Leetic was a silencer. Outside of this claim, why is Luna town? Speedchuck said she told him she was a role cop. That's a significant inconsistency. I am waiting for host clarification on Jay's "Lie detector" blip. I should be doing other things now but I'm glued to mafia. Shame on me.

Worst day for Luna to be insane in.

I dont understand how role cop avoids raising suspicion that lie detect would

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:50 pm Theory: Luna told speedchuck in BTSC that she is a role cop (or something like that), lying deliberately about what her role is. Because her teammates had at least two atypical roles (Jack a mock-doctor, Luna a lie detector of some sort), they knew that she shouldn't give speedchuck an authentic claim. Instead she handed over "role cop", which a lie detector can serve as functionally, to avoid raising suspicion in this sometimes backwards setup.

Can someone explain the reason behind this theory?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:26 pm Im going to uni. Don't hot potato me kthxbye.

Quick everyone let's hot potato DDL

So nagging thought I had was why would Luna lie about Lie detector and claim Role cop? Jay said something about a theory of why her doing it but I don't understand yet why Role cop is more believable to be a town thing than lie detector when she knew what she was in for by agreeing to be insanified

i will check back before eod but got a movie viewing thing now.

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

quick everyone! let's hot potato jay while he's gone for the night.

kinda like how "lie detector" appeared in your dreams, only "role cop" appeared in his.

maybe in his head he translated the lie detector to mean it can be used to cop a role claim

me too. lie detector and role cop are very different role names.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:41 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:37 pm you're saying she's suspecting LC even though she knows jack is bad. "why would he come out and say he is 100% sure jack is bad" lol.

i am not voting eloh. don't give 2 shits if this looks like it's tmi after her flip. i just don't think eloh who would be informed in btsc by a raging jack and mac comes in and asks that question and makes that post. no offence to eloh. i just think they would be better coordinating reactions/defences when they know jack is a dead man walking. who survives a red peek? jack had almost given up tbh.
I think that requires a lot of presumption about what the BTSC looks like. As a host who watches mafia teams talking in BTSC, most of them are frankly quiet. On occasion there's some noise (like in Ancient Greece), but usually it's subdued.

I don't think it'd be at all surprising for Elohcin to make that post as a mafioso. And she has been on my mafia teams more often than anyone else in my playing career (three times).

I could be wrong as with anything, but I don't get where coming from here.

fair enough. and i could be wrong too. i'm not as obnoxious as i often sound. like i said, if the majority wants eloh's head, go ahead but i can't help feeling it's heavily influenced by mata's last posts and since i have insider info on how inaccurate her read of me was, i am obviously more hesitant to tread there.

unless eloh is a fan of wifom

you're saying she's suspecting LC even though she knows jack is bad. "why would he come out and say he is 100% sure jack is bad" lol.

i am not voting eloh. don't give 2 shits if this looks like it's tmi after her flip. i just don't think eloh who would be informed in btsc by a raging jack and mac comes in and asks that question and makes that post. no offence to eloh. i just think they would be better coordinating reactions/defences when they know jack is a dead man walking. who survives a red peek? jack had almost given up tbh.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:28 pm Everything Luna referenced in defense of Elohcin I find to be suspicious instead.

does this look like eloh has btsc with mac and jack?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:29 am I am not sure what I think of LC now. Why would he come out and say he is 100% sure Jack is bad. If he is telling the truth and he can determine the alignment of a player as his power, then why give up his life (of course Mafia would kill him now, right?). There are still other mafia left. Wouldn't he want to be a little more vague and keep him life so he can keep playing and keep helping the civs catch baddies? Couldn't he put a little more effort in and build a case on Jack and get us to follow? I just don't know. I am confused.

i mean you know a little about that, you were mafia with her in mountains mafia (?) and told her what to say in btsc when she wasn't caught up with the thread.

that post is a hard pill for me to swallow.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:27 pm That vote is sure to cause agitation.

JJJ I need to know where you got the lie detector from once you confirm whatever with Epi

and yeah, let the people know Epignosis.

this doesn't make sense to me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:22 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:18 pm I am leaving for a playoff hockey game in 40 minutes and will likely not be here when the day ends.
if it was eod right now, who would your vote be on?
Luna.

who is her teammate(s)? just first name, off the top of your head.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:18 pm I am leaving for a playoff hockey game in 40 minutes and will likely not be here when the day ends.

if it was eod right now, who would your vote be on?

11 players left. optimistically, it was 15 vs 4 so 9 vs 2 remains. worst case, it was 14 vs 5, so 8 vs 3 remains. 9/8 townies should be a little closer to having 1 lynch target today than this.

ok, i'm lost. this is all silly role speculation that doesn't mean all too much in the grand sceme of things cos roles can flip either alignment.

we need to know if jay scumslipped. and we need to decide if luna is town. and we need to decide on someone to lynch cos this 3-way tie sucks and i have plans soon and will be around less.

actually, i find it suspicious too now.

i understand now why lunalee found speedchuck's no-votes suspicious. she probably accounted for them in her prediction and he messed that up by not voting. twice.

ahh wait. now i understand what juliets meant about numbers and her concerns.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:05 pm Lie Detector is more town that a rolecop

nutella was a rolecop. did you and juliets not think that was odd?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:06 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:05 pm I'm pretty sure I can't go back and check.
Please do.
Let me rephrase that.

I am completely sure I can't go back and check

...why? you're not allowed back in there after the phase is over?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:02 pm Also perfectly possible is that I have finally unlocked my superpower for seeing into the future.

or, more likely, all that bts chatter clouded its way into the thread

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