The Syndicate

Actually *I* told Eloh to role claim to save her ass. No one even asked her to do that when today cold be mylo. That blows my mind.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:37 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:31 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:28 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:23 pm Juliets always forms her own opinions. She doesn't take a dead player's opinions and roll with them like they are written truths imo. Bad juliets can use a dead player's opinions and roll with them because how do I defend myself from accusations from someone who can't react to me defences? Bad.

I take dead people's thoughts if I think they found something worth standing up for.

Every time I ask you about why I'm bad, you say "something mata". I'm not satisfied with that. Even using a dead players thoughts as basis to forming your own opinions would be easier for me to understand where you're coming from so I can defend myself. You're not allowing me a means to do that and that's bad imo.

I am not voting you today. I am not 100% sure you are bad. I respect mate's reads because of her role ability but I know it's possible she had not caught you with her role. You are acting like I am voting you now and refusing to give reasons.

Eloh has 4 votes. She's MIA. We told her to roleclaim. There's not much more digging I can do there. You've been foreshadowing my lynch ever since Mata died. I'm your second biggest suspect after Eloh. I think it's reasonable of me to want to know why in clear terms.

I hope Eloh comes on before end of day. It would suck big time if she's a civilian and didn't even try to role claim to persuade us.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:28 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:23 pm Juliets always forms her own opinions. She doesn't take a dead player's opinions and roll with them like they are written truths imo. Bad juliets can use a dead player's opinions and roll with them because how do I defend myself from accusations from someone who can't react to me defences? Bad.

I take dead people's thoughts if I think they found something worth standing up for.

Every time I ask you about why I'm bad, you say "something mata". I'm not satisfied with that. Even using a dead players thoughts as basis to forming your own opinions would be easier for me to understand where you're coming from so I can defend myself. You're not allowing me a means to do that and that's bad imo.

I don't care about Eloh. She has 4 votes accumulated in no time in a day that could be mylo. If she's a civilian, she needs to roleclaim. You're online and reacting. You've accused me this entire phase and asked everyone about me. I'm telling you what I think of that.

Juliets always forms her own opinions. She doesn't take a dead player's opinions and roll with them like they are written truths imo. Bad juliets can use a dead player's opinions and roll with them because how do I defend myself from accusations from someone who can't react to me defences? Bad.

Oozing tmi this entire phase with who you want at end game. Obviously not me or Eloh. Or Jay.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:08 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:02 pm One of them could even be bad with juliets. She's out here giving free passes to speed and Luna when they are the most confusing pair at the moment with their claims. Instead, she's focused on me and Eloh being bad. How is speedchuck or Luna or Spacedaisy or kites more civilian than me? I'd love to know the answer to that.

I remain concerned about mate's read. It looks like she was trying to build a case on you so she'd have a reason for her read other than her role ability having discovered you.

And that is the basis of my problem with you now. You're the one who has been building this strong narrative around mata's reads. How me and Eloh have to be bad, even though I already showed you evidence of how her opinion was changing (hence, it couldn't be role ability), and I even showed you clearly what her issue with me was, and I responded to those too. Like, what more do you want from me?

You're dead set on painting me bad "based on mata" and that's what I hate. The all so innocent question "ok guys, I know we all hate night kill analysis but WHY and WHO would kill mata?" Trying to again case suspicion on me and Eloh all based on the mata kill. You didn't ask who killed nutella. You didn't ask who killed nova. You didn't ask who the mafia could have killed on nights 2 and 3 but were denied. You're all about mata and pushing that one narrative without taking accountability for it, because you don't have any reasons so you say "it's cos of what mata said" and I think that just stinks.

And this whole "that role sounds so townie so they can't be bad" is consistent with how you want us to judge your stump claim, but it's iffy now when we're at end game and we know all sorts of roles exist on either faction and you're townclearing people based on their role sounding town.

[VOTE: juliets] aubergine tbh. I think speedchuck or Luna is your teammate.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:10 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:05 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:03 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 1:54 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 1:51 pm Just curious @dunya , were you trying to get Luna's attention? The mention function doesn't seem to have worked.

Also lol about the lie detector. Do you think it can be a bad role?

I can't ever tag on mobile. Can you quote my.post and tag her. We need 7 votes in.

And yes, any role can be any alignment in this game. Including your comfy stump tbh.

Ok, I'm fine with that. My opinion is lie detector would be a shitty role to give the mafia but I understand where you're coming from.

What if lie detector is her cover role? Like Jack's "doctor"? Why are you not the least bit skeptical about this?

Because Jay's power says "only the words in his or her role description are available to him or her the following Day."

So? Doctor was in Jack's role.

Silencer is a shitty role to give town, but here we are.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:03 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 1:54 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 1:51 pm Just curious @dunya , were you trying to get Luna's attention? The mention function doesn't seem to have worked.

Also lol about the lie detector. Do you think it can be a bad role?

I can't ever tag on mobile. Can you quote my.post and tag her. We need 7 votes in.

And yes, any role can be any alignment in this game. Including your comfy stump tbh.

Ok, I'm fine with that. My opinion is lie detector would be a shitty role to give the mafia but I understand where you're coming from.

What if lie detector is her cover role? Like Jack's "doctor"? Why are you not the least bit skeptical about this?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 8:50 am Sorry...linki didn't show...that was to dunya...hold on. Ibwill try to get to your other stuff. On phone and trying to cook

Please role claim or face a lynch. Your choice.

One of them could even be bad with juliets. She's out here giving free passes to speed and Luna when they are the most confusing pair at the moment with their claims. Instead, she's focused on me and Eloh being bad. How is speedchuck or Luna or Spacedaisy or kites more civilian than me? I'd love to know the answer to that.

We are in day 7 and Lunalee has still been unable to use her role even when corroborating with speedchuck. I don't believe that. One of them is bad.

Im not giving anyone a free pass at end game because they have a townie sounding role.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 1:51 pm Just curious @dunya , were you trying to get Luna's attention? The mention function doesn't seem to have worked.

Also lol about the lie detector. Do you think it can be a bad role?

I can't ever tag on mobile. Can you quote my.post and tag her. We need 7 votes in.

And yes, any role can be any alignment in this game. Including your comfy stump tbh.

We need 7 votes to test Lunalee's theory.

I am a civilian.

Everyone should post this for her to check one of us tomorrow.

Unpopular opinion: every time juliets says "Lunalee can't be bad because a lie detector is a town role" I think she's bad.

5 votes have been cast @Lunalee

If we are working against 3 mafia members today is MyLo. A mislynch and we lose.

I dont have time right now to go through everything. 4 votes on Eloh. I'm not surprised.

Eloh, if you are a civilian now is the time to role claim and tell us your actions.

i'm kinda burned out. i should make an effort to do things, but i'm just exhausted.

don't ignore speedchuck and luna or jay please.

start looking at teammate compatibility this next phase.

don't ignore the possibility we could be looking at 3 more mafia so lylo isn't far.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 3:57 pm I know some of you do not like night kill analysis but I like to at least give it a try. So, I want to ask this questions: Why did the mafia kill matahari? Any thoughts from anyone?

to frame me and eloh
mata is one of the people who didn't role claim (nova too)
eloh is bad
mata was more or less townread by all
not at great risk of being night protected
mata was a redirect target

many reasons. i don't analyze stuff like that because i don't think it's right more times than it's wrong.

Kites wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 3:33 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 3:25 pm

Kites wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 3:21 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 2:16 pm if epi has made a mafia stump in this game, i will laugh until next month.

yeah I’m not counting out that possibility since alignments and roles seem to be randomly assigned. but i don’t I’m not concerned about her really

my biggest fear is that the mafia team sacrificed jack to make long con a confirmed civ in everyone’s eyes

couldn't jack have done that? jack was way deeper into the game.

hmm good point actually, but also consider people can be dumb
doesn’t matter, long con is a civ in my eyes

you think mafia would get rid of him the night before we would get to lylo?

I don't know. I think they have more roles to be worried about. Also LyLo isn't that far out if there are 3 remaining mafiosos so that's troubling too.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 3:29 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 3:25 pm

Kites wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 3:21 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 2:16 pm if epi has made a mafia stump in this game, i will laugh until next month.

yeah I’m not counting out that possibility since alignments and roles seem to be randomly assigned. but i don’t I’m not concerned about her really

my biggest fear is that the mafia team sacrificed jack to make long con a confirmed civ in everyone’s eyes

couldn't jack have done that? jack was way deeper into the game.

I'm glad I am not the only one thinking this way about LC

I am not thinking that way about LC ftr, I'm kinda debunking the theory. It would make sense if Jack was alive instead of LC imo.

Kites wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 3:21 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 2:16 pm if epi has made a mafia stump in this game, i will laugh until next month.

yeah I’m not counting out that possibility since alignments and roles seem to be randomly assigned. but i don’t I’m not concerned about her really

my biggest fear is that the mafia team sacrificed jack to make long con a confirmed civ in everyone’s eyes

couldn't jack have done that? jack was way deeper into the game.

process of elimination [mention]Kites[/mention]

so like we go through everyone left and make a small list of suspects based on who we town read. i have no idea if that's the correct definition, but that's what i do

[mention]Elohcin[/mention] - are you saying you think me and jay can be bad together? lol. that would be pretty epic, i gotta say, but it really made me laugh.

hot potato is the nice way of saying that word when people last minute choose to lynch someone else.

i have no idea what WYSIWYG means

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 2:43 pm what is a mafia stump?

a mafia stump is a baddie version of stump. a stump is someone if lynched is removed from the game entirely, but if nk'd becomes a stump so they are a permanent voice in the thread but cannot vote.

a baddie version of that i guess would be someone who is removed from the game if vigged and becomes a stump if lynched? idk.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 2:43 pm Wow, dunya. "eloh's civ! Wait, no. eloh's bad."

not exactly what i said, but okay. i've defended you more than you've defended yourself lol. i was pretty sure i was going to get hung for tmi if you flipped civ, but i didn't care. i just can't justify myself giving you carte blanche when the suspect pool has narrowed down to a few names. you're not mechanically cleared. you didn't seem to react in a bad way when hot potatoing ddl to save your cute little butt yesterday. these are things dunya's brain registered and continues to mull over for 24 hours.

i don't want you to give more effort than you can or are willing to. you do you, eloh, and i'll just made ado. at least you show up to the game so we appreciate you being here.

yeah, let's not compare anyone to me. i don't wish myself upon my worst enemy.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 2:20 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 2:17 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 2:15 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 2:00 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 10:22 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 9:15 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 9:06 pm Ok, but voting DDL means Luna gets a lie-detect. Right?

No. She evidently did not count on you voting at all.

That's strange, I'm pretty sure I've voted in every lynch poll so far.

LC I'm probably mistaken. I just repeated what I thought speed said.

I didn't think long con specifically wouldn't vote, I just picked the number.

linki, woah. Hi dunya.

hi!

since you're here, and this is the same topic that has bothered me. why 9? when you knew we were 11 people, 1 inactive (neverwhere), why did you pick 9 and not 10?

It was incase someone didn't vote. I probably should have been smart and held off voting until the end, but I didn't. Suggestions for tomorrow's number? 8?

do you have to submit the number before the end of night? we are down to 9. if a kill happens tonight, 8. i would go with 7 and maybe you can hold off voting until the end if you're willing to be around just before day ends. you know, in case someone misses a vote cos "it's the weekend" (hi speedchuck). or maybe 8 and we force everyone to cast an early vote to make sure you can prove your ability the next phase.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 2:15 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 2:00 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 10:22 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 9:15 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 9:06 pm Ok, but voting DDL means Luna gets a lie-detect. Right?

No. She evidently did not count on you voting at all.

That's strange, I'm pretty sure I've voted in every lynch poll so far.

LC I'm probably mistaken. I just repeated what I thought speed said.

I didn't think long con specifically wouldn't vote, I just picked the number.

linki, woah. Hi dunya.

hi!

since you're here, and this is the same topic that has bothered me. why 9? when you knew we were 11 people, 1 inactive (neverwhere), why did you pick 9 and not 10?

if epi has made a mafia stump in this game, i will laugh until next month.

Luna/speedchuck (one of)
JaggedJimmyJay
Eloh
Spacedaisy

Kites
Long Con
juliets

i'm not comfortable with luna/speed, mostly because of how much trust they have in each other despite a shit ton of whack regarding luna's claim so i feel like one is pocketing the other. i would have said luna yesterday, but now i'm not sure about speed. i kinda ruled him out after the jack whack, but if it was some kind of ploy to win an extra day of jack being alive and speed looking innocent because he can claim he actually did get the protection from the host... it's not that hard to imagine anymore. i'd lynch speed before luna. i don't like waiting for luna to prove her lie detect and i would have taken serious issues with her choice of 9 voters instead of 10, but she did say she guessed nine openly in the thread (i'm not sure why she chose 9 [mention]Lunalee[/mention] if you can answer) so i'm a little iffy about it.

i don't care if there really was a deleted post, that still doesn't town clear jay for me. it's like he's always one step ahead of us about roles, how he was trying to drive game mechanic talk (albeit at the request of someone else, DDL?) his votes have been questionable, his handling of me has been different. this isn't tinfoil. these are genuine gripes but i don't have time to make a case and i know i can see town jay in some posts too, but too many things bother me on the whole. i can also see speed and jay as teammates.

i always feel bad when i reread and realize i've been defending someone more than they're willing to defend themselves. in this poe, eloh comes naturally as my next choice. her most recent posts make me question exactly what she's been reading, but okay, she's in my poe. and for the record: being a civ looks like someone genuinely trying to game solve and figure people out. and juliets is right, eloh, that is lacking from your iso. whether it's genuine apathy or not remains to be seen. i hope now that the game has become smaller, you'll try to offer more content and reads. i wouldn't be surprised if you're lynched tomorrow if your attitude towards the game doesn't change. hope your migraine goes away <3

spacedaisy is a town read for me, but i get bad feelings when someone drops off the radar and lets everyone else argue things out. she was very successfully blendy and quiet in gossip girl, and i can't carry a town read till end game based on actions several phases ago. i don't really believe she only posts when she has a suspect and she doesn't have a single suspect right now? how is that possible?

i should put kites ahead of spacedaisy in my list, but i just feel good about his recent contributions and the jjj tinfoil makes me appreciate him all that more. he could stay down low and lurky, but he's willing to go against the waves and voice suspicions on someone everyone else is townreading (except me, apparently). i think mafia kites would have picked a more consensual target, especially when he isn't under any lynch pressure. good look. disclaimer: i have no idea what mafia kites looks like. and i don't wanna know.

juliets and long con are town cleared in my eyes. i have explained long and hard why i don't believe long con is jack's teammate and won't come around to thinking that's possible (not an insult to your abilities as mafia, LC!)

those are my final words. i'm swamped with rl shit today.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 9:51 pm Dunya/Eloh

One of them needs to go tomorrow

i'm sorry ddl.

fuck man

Too late. Let's hope speed's thing worked.

Something shady about the whole lie detector thing, Jay knowing it, speed thinking it's role cop.

hot potato Luna on the chance she's mafia? I'm not waiting another 4 days to determine her role and not have mafia mess it up.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:41 pm lol Long Con voted

Now Luna won't get her role

How do you know how many votes she predicted???

I'm fucking sweating here, we have 7 minutes [mention]Elohcin[/mention] why are you a civilian?

linki oh dear

Eloh, please don't catch up now. Talk to us.

Role claiming if you're town at this point will not hurt.

[mention]Elohcin[/mention] you're here. You have like 10 minutes to convince us why you're civilian. Go.

juliets, if DDL hadn't asked us not to hot potato him, would you still choose Eloh over him today?

That makes me feel better about the lack of direction Luna pointed us in I guess.

I don't know I'm so conflicted. I feel like this is all rushed now.