The Syndicate

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:05 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:44 pm This game ended d1 honestly. If y'all really consider how far behind town was when Justin got mod killed, KZA got vigged and then two town flipped. I was playing deepwolf and paying no attention to my antispew and got vigged and it barely even helped the odds. Axehole's decision may have been questionable but it was much like Felicis taking a hero shot. If I flip town are you all on Felicis's case like this? On day 2 the only person Axe has a green on is himself and nobody was listening to each other so he did what he could to create the highest percentage chop in a very low percentage situation. It wasn't like he faked a red from a game winning situation and cost town the game imo. D2 was already, as proven, the penultimate day of the game. I honestly doubt you would have got a mafia flip in any other way anyway. In many ways him doing that may have been town's only path to victory. If only he faked the red on Seanzie.
How can you compare a fake red check to a night vig taken on a hunch? Night vigs are supposed to do that, you are not supposed to fake a redcheck and not rescind it, period. We will never know what would have happen if Axe didnt do what he did, but i think you overestimated your faction's situation there. LoMo and Seanzie were high suspects and i believe we would have yeeted one of them if it wasn't for Axe red check that took the game hostage, we were forced to believe Axe had a redcheck and forced to form reads out of that.

Mafia had an easy win due to Axe's actions, he was the best wolf partner from another faction that you could have hoped for and you would be mad if you had randed town in this game, i know that for sure.
"you are not supposed to fake a redcheck and not rescind it, period"

according to whomst?
According to all your teammates whose time is invested too, not just yours. Are you playing devil's advocate here or what? Because you were saying something different in the DVC when i checked hommie

I dunno maybe. I was just explaining to someone that I am a raging pragmatist.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:44 pm This game ended d1 honestly. If y'all really consider how far behind town was when Justin got mod killed, KZA got vigged and then two town flipped. I was playing deepwolf and paying no attention to my antispew and got vigged and it barely even helped the odds. Axehole's decision may have been questionable but it was much like Felicis taking a hero shot. If I flip town are you all on Felicis's case like this? On day 2 the only person Axe has a green on is himself and nobody was listening to each other so he did what he could to create the highest percentage chop in a very low percentage situation. It wasn't like he faked a red from a game winning situation and cost town the game imo. D2 was already, as proven, the penultimate day of the game. I honestly doubt you would have got a mafia flip in any other way anyway. In many ways him doing that may have been town's only path to victory. If only he faked the red on Seanzie.
How can you compare a fake red check to a night vig taken on a hunch? Night vigs are supposed to do that, you are not supposed to fake a redcheck and not rescind it, period. We will never know what would have happen if Axe didnt do what he did, but i think you overestimated your faction's situation there. LoMo and Seanzie were high suspects and i believe we would have yeeted one of them if it wasn't for Axe red check that took the game hostage, we were forced to believe Axe had a redcheck and forced to form reads out of that.

Mafia had an easy win due to Axe's actions, he was the best wolf partner from another faction that you could have hoped for and you would be mad if you had randed town in this game, i know that for sure.

"you are not supposed to fake a redcheck and not rescind it, period"

according to whomst?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:44 pm This game ended d1 honestly. If y'all really consider how far behind town was when Justin got mod killed, KZA got vigged and then two town flipped. I was playing deepwolf and paying no attention to my antispew and got vigged and it barely even helped the odds. Axehole's decision may have been questionable but it was much like Felicis taking a hero shot. If I flip town are you all on Felicis's case like this? On day 2 the only person Axe has a green on is himself and nobody was listening to each other so he did what he could to create the highest percentage chop in a very low percentage situation. It wasn't like he faked a red from a game winning situation and cost town the game imo. D2 was already, as proven, the penultimate day of the game. I honestly doubt you would have got a mafia flip in any other way anyway. In many ways him doing that may have been town's only path to victory. If only he faked the red on Seanzie.
How can you compare a fake red check to a night vig taken on a hunch? Night vigs are supposed to do that, you are not supposed to fake a redcheck and not rescind it, period. We will never know what would have happen if Axe didnt do what he did, but i think you overestimated your faction's situation there. LoMo and Seanzie were high suspects and i believe we would have yeeted one of them if it wasn't for Axe red check that took the game hostage, we were forced to believe Axe had a redcheck and forced to form reads out of that.

Mafia had an easy win due to Axe's actions, he was the best wolf partner from another faction that you could have hoped for and you would be mad if you had randed town in this game, i know that for sure.

As it turns out I'd have died n1 regardless of my rand lol.

This game ended d1 honestly. If y'all really consider how far behind town was when Justin got mod killed, KZA got vigged and then two town flipped. I was playing deepwolf and paying no attention to my antispew and got vigged and it barely even helped the odds. Axehole's decision may have been questionable but it was much like Felicis taking a hero shot. If I flip town are you all on Felicis's case like this? On day 2 the only person Axe has a green on is himself and nobody was listening to each other so he did what he could to create the highest percentage chop in a very low percentage situation. It wasn't like he faked a red from a game winning situation and cost town the game imo. D2 was already, as proven, the penultimate day of the game. I honestly doubt you would have got a mafia flip in any other way anyway. In many ways him doing that may have been town's only path to victory. If only he faked the red on Seanzie.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:04 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:32 am my personal punishment for people who fake red checks and subsequently cause town to lose the game is 1 month blacklist unless they had a good reason to do it
is "it would be funny" a good reason

of course it is

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:47 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:58 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:48 pm Sorry I shouldve led the town
I lead town to you so that you could lead them from beyond the grave.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:31 am I agree with vulgard, we lost because my reads were bad, no one else did anything of note.
See these comments? This shows this guy deliberately played against our wincon and he has shown no remorse whatsoever for his actions. He displayed a similar attitude in the DVC.

He needs to be punished for it. I'm taking measures for the games im hosting here and I‘d advice everyone to do the same.

Jeez @NotAnAxehole you are talented at this...

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:36 pm It's not that nobody stepped up to be a leader

its more rather nobody was able to become a leader because someone else disagreed

like I'm fairly sure I had 2 completely unreasonable (fmpov) scum-reads on me on D2

thats mafia for ya

To be clear I was giving luckbox some credit cuz I was viewing creature as probably a wolf after isoing him. After you said things then I read that other game, taking that credit away and remembering butters read on lb creature vote being not good for him my wheels turned.

I don't wanna get too wired and be on here all night. This 3am eod has the potential to fuck my day tomorrow so I'm gonna try to separate.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:23 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:19 am Ender town
Luckbox mafia
Axe town

gth
What happened to not liking the current wagons?

I just explained it.

tsp should really have a lot more votes than this. No wolves on the wagon prob means wolves are already content on bigger ones

I wanna say creature town makes luckbox mafia equity ++ and butters probably -

Ender town
Luckbox mafia
Axe town

gth

I find it difficult to say I'd give a d1 pass on the pretense that not giving reads or being pro town is town indicative of creature nut going on that iso being solvy and giving straight answers is wolfy for him so yeh I guess we can solve him later.

@Seanzie you've been parked on @hollowkatt all day. How has that read developed? You gonna ride that one out?

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/searc ... 648&t=2137

if u wish to indulge.

I am already seeing a different tone d1. He started solving and giving reads immediately. Maybe he has flipped his old meta entirely.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:10 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:09 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:05 am Seanzie
Creature
TonyStarkPrime

would kill from this list
I hate this list because it's mostly low-end posters.

That being said Seanzie/TSP are fine lynches for me too.

Creature feels like they'll spew more town/scum later down the line when they start participating.
the pattern is that they are low end posters capable of more but hard phoning it in
Creature has already done this as town in the one game I've played with him. He only started doing anything on D2 and still mostly slanked until D3.

hmmm he wolfed in a game here not so long ago let me read his iso from there

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:10 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:07 am I think Martin/Falcon may get solved as town via Seanzie wolf flip. Still prefer TSP here. I'm not down with any of these main 3 wagons after iso scans.
Even though Sig apparently is good at reading you and w!read you?

Sig is pretty transparent when mafia. At least to me. I'm not seeing it here. He feels pure.

if you want to chop someone who's made a lot of posts today I'd probably look at someone like hollowkatt or martin

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:09 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:05 am Seanzie
Creature
TonyStarkPrime

would kill from this list
I hate this list because it's mostly low-end posters.

That being said Seanzie/TSP are fine lynches for me too.

Creature feels like they'll spew more town/scum later down the line when they start participating.

the pattern is that they are low end posters capable of more but hard phoning it in

@Seanzie you best kill me tonight if you are wolfing and intend to continue putting forth this effort.

I think Martin/Falcon may get solved as town via Seanzie wolf flip. Still prefer TSP here. I'm not down with any of these main 3 wagons after iso scans.

LC does not have a volume tell so don't read him as wolf for low impact. Its 90% mischop.

Seanzie
Creature
TonyStarkPrime

would kill from this list

btw eod is at 3am and i feel pretty high odds to be nk so consider this legacy

@MartinGG99 how was it that the four developed reads you'd had were those four names? like the four least threatening people in the game nearly.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:35 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:26 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:24 am tbh I was expecting to have good or stronger reads for reading the past 600-something posts

I didn't. Well, not as many I would like.

going to read random isos

my eyes on grogu though that bastard has tricked me in the past with my attempts to get reliable reads on him and if it weren't for the soup kill I would ask for a check on him
That's about a 3 on the scumeter sir.

Please give your weak leans.
You might want to check your tool. Sounds like it should be a 4.

Grogu suspicious
Dana town-ish
Justinrs town-ish
butter town-ish

that's about it for weak leans off the top of my head rn

such weird reads

lc is big fat null
lomo is ok

grogu and Jack gth town

I am like 99% sure HK is the one that shot kza and is probably town. I base this on reading 2 posts of his iso.

Kinda think Felicis is gonna become derp spewed off the first wolf flip. Wanna just leave them.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:46 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:45 am not reading enders iso. cop plz check him thx.
Is it the near 300 posts I got already? Lmao.

I am sure if I did read ur iso I'd find things to hate and I don't wanna

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:45 am Butters and DoO both seem town on ISO
Interesting. Butters felt low-content on her ISO, like fillering to be seen kinda deal.

read her again after you read tsp and creature

gonna defer falcon until I see a Justin green

not reading enders iso. cop plz check him thx.

Butters and DoO both seem town on ISO

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:30 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:28 am
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:18 am I swear I will start to read this game
You're on my list of pokes so you better.
yeah sorry, but that is the last thing I care about

when you get my age, the only thing that motivates you to try in mafia is your desire not to be "that guy" who ruins the chances of town because they don't care

lol kinda wanna just lock you town for this post

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:03 pm Mac is a bad boy, why is he here

what did u mean by this?

Im reading isos but I won't post walls cuz im on my phone. Dana is more towny than I thought. Creature and TSP are both trash and can get binned.

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:33 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:28 am
Dana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:20 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:08 am
Dana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:50 am Yes hello I am playing catch up
When you've caught up give me top 3 scumleans.
Okay I am finally current! Top scumleans right now are Jack and Axe. I will get you a 3rd asap (maaaybe guillo but also i think maybe I shouldn't attempt to read him bc I rly never seem to understand what he's doing)

I am townreading you pretty strongly for now, I originally liked your confident seeming entrance to the thread and I get the vibe that you're trying to develop things and get people talking which seems to be helpful.

I liked felicis, I feel like i related a lot to their play style and thought process. Mac seems fine to me so far, he feels like he his being his normal amount of gentle combatitiveness. KZA also seemed to give me some good vibes but I'm not sure I can explain them.
Mac and Gentle are interesting words to put together.
He is prickly on the outside but soft on the inside like some sort of fruit that evolved a spiky shell to protect against predators

I have never felt so seen

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:54 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:58 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:56 am I dont get the sig lynch, his tone and the way he is playing seems very similar to how he played last game where he was town.
who are we to argue with StarV's anus
Not sheep?

Also I didn't expect when I woke up from my name that there'd literally be only a handful of posts to read...

I'mused to it. It's dead til about 10pm my time generally then ramps up while I sleep and is nice and busy for mornings. Most games here end between 8-10am my time but Nanook seems to love earlier for whatever reason.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:56 am I dont get the sig lynch, his tone and the way he is playing seems very similar to how he played last game where he was town.

who are we to argue with StarV's anus

that appears to be where this day goes quiet lol

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:08 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:58 am @Luckbox Inc you have been parked on Creature for a long time and through a lot of events. Do you tend to be someone who doesn't move your vote around and can you give me a snapshot of your current broad feelings towards the game? @ButterscotchSundae can you please validate his answer for me when you see this.
Going to sleep. I'll make some posts in the morning.
Creature can still pretty easily be a wolf though. Butters more so.
I haven't moved my vote though because I haven't seen a need for it. Usually I vote people for reactions though on D1 early and we're past that stage.
If eod were right now I'd say kill Butters although she's only 72% wolf-- it's the best I've got.

72% eh

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:08 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:03 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:01 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:59 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:57 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:56 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:55 am

No.

I only know em from the game they hosted for us.
I assume Creature was town in the game you cite?
Yup.
Okay... so why did you bring it up?
Because I was saying how defeatist attitudes don't jive for me?
so it was more of a "I'll kill ppl for this regardless of alignment" threat?
More a "This is a bad defense, please do something different because you're making me wanna lynch you more." thing.

But sure.

same thing

that's not a bad point tho, I wouldn't hate a rerand

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:04 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:02 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:49 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:41 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:34 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:22 am
I am already frustrated, don't make more frustrated.
Sorry I was phone posting in one hand while yelling at my kids.

I don't particularly vibe your post here. Like generally it feels bullshitty but then the part where you were like "I don't get the move to sean" as justification for why you think there was scum in the event appears to be spewing sean town and falcon mafia? or some combination of the two. It's just on the nose end to end.
I only know i got fucked for this. Someone must have done something otherwise i dont get the shift.
So you are saying that you think that someone made a scummy move, with the agenda of preventing the cop check, by influencing the storm chat to move votes en masse onto Seanzie and off of Falcon. Whomst you believe was the consensus decision at the point you left?

For what you claim to be true, they would have had to know that you were unlikely to return and vote Seanzie. Which means if scum pushed the change of direction then it would make Seanzie town cleared. For them to feel the need to make the move, Falcon has to be mafia.

Justin has been mod killed. According to Martin he initially wanted the solve onto him. What does his solve do for your worldview?

I hope this isn't some fruitless exercise where it's just 6 townies all breathing in each other's farts.
Justin got modkilled, Why??

I was pretty much not there so i cant say for sure. All i know was i wanted to cop falcon and those 3 were okay with copping falcon.

I am also to blame for not being there and expecting them not to change their views but if they really wanted sean copped over falcon it didnt happen till the atleast 2hours or so before the even start. I dont know what justin was doing, if he was town then he played bad and distracted everyone and then it got changed to sean or if he was scum, him and falcon could be teamed and didnt wanna cop each other.
he got mod killed for pasting a transcript of the entire chat, has not flipped yet
Wait what

Like a chat with someone else or a teamchat

Look I appreciate the effort but if this game is already fubar'd let's just reset, ffs it's only day 1

he posted a copy paste from the storm chat i think

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:01 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:59 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:57 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:56 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:55 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:53 am

Do you have significant meta with LB?
No.

I only know em from the game they hosted for us.
I assume Creature was town in the game you cite?
Yup.
Okay... so why did you bring it up?
Because I was saying how defeatist attitudes don't jive for me?

so it was more of a "I'll kill ppl for this regardless of alignment" threat?

lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:49 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:41 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:34 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:22 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:20 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:17 am
What are you confused about?
2+2=5
I am already frustrated, don't make more frustrated.
Sorry I was phone posting in one hand while yelling at my kids.

I don't particularly vibe your post here. Like generally it feels bullshitty but then the part where you were like "I don't get the move to sean" as justification for why you think there was scum in the event appears to be spewing sean town and falcon mafia? or some combination of the two. It's just on the nose end to end.
I only know i got fucked for this. Someone must have done something otherwise i dont get the shift.
So you are saying that you think that someone made a scummy move, with the agenda of preventing the cop check, by influencing the storm chat to move votes en masse onto Seanzie and off of Falcon. Whomst you believe was the consensus decision at the point you left?

For what you claim to be true, they would have had to know that you were unlikely to return and vote Seanzie. Which means if scum pushed the change of direction then it would make Seanzie town cleared. For them to feel the need to make the move, Falcon has to be mafia.

Justin has been mod killed. According to Martin he initially wanted the solve onto him. What does his solve do for your worldview?

I hope this isn't some fruitless exercise where it's just 6 townies all breathing in each other's farts.
Justin got modkilled, Why??

I was pretty much not there so i cant say for sure. All i know was i wanted to cop falcon and those 3 were okay with copping falcon.

I am also to blame for not being there and expecting them not to change their views but if they really wanted sean copped over falcon it didnt happen till the atleast 2hours or so before the even start. I dont know what justin was doing, if he was town then he played bad and distracted everyone and then it got changed to sean or if he was scum, him and falcon could be teamed and didnt wanna cop each other.

he got mod killed for pasting a transcript of the entire chat, has not flipped yet

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