The Syndicate

oops lmao

I think that if you read over some of that game you'll realise that your townread on me here is pretty solid. You had me wolf for large swathes of that game for good reasons. Those reasons are all entirely absent in my play in this game. I know I have range, but I don't believe I have range that I can deploy that tactically to fool specifically you. And that game was not that long ago.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:33 pm I hope I didn't irritate anyone inordinately in this game. I try to contain the competitor within me, and usually I do a better job than I did in this one. There were moments where I may have been too much, and if so I apologize.

at no point was I ever actually irritated by you

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:10 pm Come to think of it if Sloonei hadn't been backup and picked up desperado we would never have gotten there on TSP because we would have thought desperado dies to only town.

Yeah game was townsided on mech thats why we lost. You all sucked etc.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:24 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:23 am JJJ and Mac have both stuck their necks out too much and been too loud to be 3P poisoner. They'd draw an NK. Sloonei is confirmed backup. Seanzie seems to have gotten a red check on Owner somehow and I don't see how he'd get that if he was 3P poisoner. Maybe he has a rolecop to go with it or something, idk, but he wouldn't be my first guess.

I'm going to go eat now but I'll marinate on poisoner solves.
It's just Tangy. Murphy's Law is real.
sadge

Hah yeh.

Thanks to @nutella @orangecrush @Sonny @Owner of a Lonely Heart and @Made for being a fun team. Hard outs. I didn't mean for you to die Nut I swear.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:59 pm I thought about outing a green on you but I dunno if that would have done it

You were that confident I was mafia?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:57 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:54 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:51 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:49 pm

It never is, is it Mac?
Thats probably the cleanest I've been beaten tbh. Maybe I'm washed.
nah you got townread really hard at the start, it was just messy for you mech wise.

remember when you said "I felt safe and then suddenly I am bottom POE"? that wasn't because you slipped or anything, the POE just shrank to the point it could no longer conceivably hold enough misexes for you to win.
Nutella dying over Made was also very painful. She was our most important role imo.
What did she do?
Made our factional kills strong, ninja, janitorised. She had a shot of each iirc.
so i probably would have died night 1 if she'd survived?

If we still chose you as the target yes. Nutella being alive may have changed our target though.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:42 pm I also had a philosophy of one day at a time. I thought I was doomed yesterday and then suddenly the universe conspires to save me. Strange things happen if you just keep going.
I needed you alive. Probably went a little too far to guarantee it.

Definitely lmao.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:54 pm Good game! I had so much fun playing on a new site with some new names! Absolutely not my best game (made some critical errors that are #regerts), but I enjoyed it.

Thank you, Dizzy and Marmot! And thank you Guillotine for sending me the sign ups

You played great btw. We had a rolecop on you for a couple of days so we knew you were win thief lol.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:54 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:51 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:49 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:47 pm "This won't be the last you'll see of me." he stated.
It never is, is it Mac?
Thats probably the cleanest I've been beaten tbh. Maybe I'm washed.
nah you got townread really hard at the start, it was just messy for you mech wise.

remember when you said "I felt safe and then suddenly I am bottom POE"? that wasn't because you slipped or anything, the POE just shrank to the point it could no longer conceivably hold enough misexes for you to win.
Nutella dying over Made was also very painful. She was our most important role imo.
What did she do?

Made our factional kills strong, ninja, janitorised. She had a shot of each iirc.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:54 pm also good game everyone and thanks for not mischopping me for my horrendous play

You ultimately were the reason I conceded so not that bad Martin.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:51 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:49 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:47 pm "This won't be the last you'll see of me." he stated.
It never is, is it Mac?
Thats probably the cleanest I've been beaten tbh. Maybe I'm washed.
nah you got townread really hard at the start, it was just messy for you mech wise.

remember when you said "I felt safe and then suddenly I am bottom POE"? that wasn't because you slipped or anything, the POE just shrank to the point it could no longer conceivably hold enough misexes for you to win.

Nutella dying over Made was also very painful. She was our most important role imo.

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:52 pm "MacDougall ignored her and walked away"

lolwot

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:51 pm One of the strongest overall town games I've seen on the syndicate. Great job, everyone.

Yeah it was challenging.

I'd rather not share wolfchat if that's ok. It was a lot of me lamenting fate lol.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:49 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:47 pm "This won't be the last you'll see of me." he stated.
It never is, is it Mac?

Thats probably the cleanest I've been beaten tbh. Maybe I'm washed.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:42 pm No doubt about it. Seanzie killed it.

Great all around team win. What can mafia do when town finds each other and hits accurately enough to manage three mafia wagons on Day 1?

If we landed n1 kill and also Dana didn't BG I may have been able to get there. Even just Dana BG. That was a huge play for her cuz I needed her to be a mischop.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:42 pm I also had a philosophy of one day at a time. I thought I was doomed yesterday and then suddenly the universe conspires to save me. Strange things happen if you just keep going.
Absolutely. Mafia's greatest weapon is always that there will be a reasonable chance of town mucking it up for themselves.

I got to the point where I was like... ok I can survive today through Garden Gnome... but my only viable out tomorrow is now Martin. Then Martin is just here towning it up to fuck while you're just pensively waiting for your POE trap to play out. And even if I was able to get Martin over then what? I'm dead anyway by then. All the while having to dodge Allcrab so I can't even make optimal kills.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:41 pm Seanzie and LC were extremely valuable for the town here. LC landing the save on Sloonei n1 was so deflating after losing Nutella.

Dana clutch bodyguard saving Seanzie was also fucking disgusting.

Seanzie was just a pain in my ass personally. In the best way.
Yeah Seanzie had a good read on you and I was wrong about being harsh on him for it. I felt if you were scum you were bussing so hard you would get boxed in by endgame and so we should pluck the LHF first which was why I shielded you for a bit. He had a good nose for you and just went for you straightaway without dragging it out to endgame though.

I didn't even actually mean to bus. I was just distancing and then the town were like lol ok. I didn't expect her to go over much less three wolves get wagoned. Sonny and I suffered a fair bit from having a 5.30am eod. None more so than on day 1.

I also had a philosophy of one day at a time. I thought I was doomed yesterday and then suddenly the universe conspires to save me. Strange things happen if you just keep going.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:39 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:37 pm Why did you heal Gnome?
I didn't anticipate the poisoner dying. So swapping a poisoner death for a town chop (and adding sus to Jay and Martin) felt like one of my only outs at the time.
You had to know the net was closing in on the poisoner though right? I said as much when I argued why saving Gnome makes no sense from mafia POV.

I didn't need the poisoner to live much longer. Just a couple of days. I never actually knew who it was.

Seanzie truly got under my skin here. He played extremely well. Great player.

Seanzie and LC were extremely valuable for the town here. LC landing the save on Sloonei n1 was so deflating after losing Nutella.

Dana clutch bodyguard saving Seanzie was also fucking disgusting.

Seanzie was just a pain in my ass personally. In the best way.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:38 pm Locking me in a room with Gavial was a nice touch.

I picked wrong. It should have been Guillo.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:37 pm Why did you heal Gnome?

I didn't anticipate the poisoner dying. So swapping a poisoner death for a town chop (and adding sus to Jay and Martin) felt like one of my only outs at the time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:36 pm You fought your ass off Mac. And ain't nobody else here with a claim to two 1,000 burgers as mafia.

I contemplated just playing it out further so you could get the posting record lol.

I have felt like I was unlikely to win here for many days but I felt obligated to play it out as long as I had outs. I also wanted to see this particular town get an opportunity to flex their muscles. It was good viewing.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:35 pm I think that's another concession, and an honorable one, so. Good fight.

They have PTSD and don't recognise what's happening.

I have a list of mistakes I made (and a list of excuses) but this mostly came down to the town towning too hard. The people I needed to get chopped by the end were out towning me and I was standing in the shower humouring taking Alison and Jay to f3 and it was about then that I realised I should just concede.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:43 pm I'm going to be irreversibly angry if you tunnel me and I die and then town loses the game because you got played like a fiddle.
Please elaborate on why you chose to explore the possibilities of Sloonei being scum and me being poisoner. I felt both ideas were obviously stupid yesterday and now we have proof neither are true. Elaborate on why you felt they were serious angles we needed to explore.

wIdEnInG tHe PoE

Congrats town. You just towned too hard.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:26 pm I like to imagine spoiled spec chat dead people watching this thread as their emotions crest and crater with every new post. Hi gang!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:24 pm I like Martin making that observation too. He's cutting off his only exits as the defacto poisoner healer himself.

Aight I guess if Gnome isn't mafia I will just be thunderdoming Martin tomorrow.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:17 pm
Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:55 pm @Allcrab why are you alive?
Cuz I'm not dead.
Why do you think the mafia have kept you alive?
Maybe they find me fun maybe the hosts promised them muffins for doing it or maybe it's because I've been in the PoE since d1 and there's about a half dozen people clearer than me, perhaps we'll never know.

Touche

I have thoughts. I will process them and revert.

[VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:17 pm I'm going gnome then mac if needed then popping bottles.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:55 pm @Allcrab why are you alive?
Cuz I'm not dead.

Why do you think the mafia have kept you alive?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:02 pm I think I can only suspect Allcrab if we already flipped a mafia. In that case then MAYBE they're less towny than LoMo.

If we haven't flipped a mafia, then it isn't him.

IIRC he's confirmed investigative due the casual lovers thing + confirming LoMo on d2 (or at least has an investigative ability). It would be quite unlikely for him to have healed Garden Gnome, presuming Garden didn't protect herself. Also presumes poisoner had no limitations.

Mafia watchers are a thing.

@Allcrab why are you alive?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:52 pm Of the non-POE PerC duo, I am less confident in my town read on lost monkey. I still feel good about it, but I would listen to theories to the contrary.

I think Allcrab is more likely mafia then LoMo at this point purely for being alive. Unlimited watcher alive on Day 7 with no checks.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:49 pm I will end my part in this exchange. If you're not mafia, Mac, you have all of Day 7 to figure out who is. And whatever mood you're in that may try to convince you otherwise: I will be reading and considering whatever you say. I probably won't even respond to it, at least not immediately, because I will be deep in thought. This is not smarm.

Gnome is more likely to be chopped today than you are. So the floor is yours.

Finally I can show off my sick breakdancing moves.

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:48 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:46 pm
Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:25 pm
Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:24 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:16 pm
Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:05 pm My order of chop would be Mac/Martin/and, why bother, the game is over.
Where did your suspicion of me go to?
It went to "I really believe that Mac is the scum and the game will end with his chop."
Why?
I think that you are the most likely to have NKed Sloonei, and I agree with JJJ that you are mafia.
I would probably have killed Sloonei but I also did in fact not do the thing you are saying.
then who do you think killed Sloonei?

I don't particularly think Sloonei is a human indicative kill at all.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:43 pm I'm going to be irreversibly angry if you tunnel me and I die and then town loses the game because you got played like a fiddle.
I don't give a third of a crap about threats like this. If someone is playing me like a fiddle then make the case. I have presented a reason why Alison doesn't look like an Owner teammate. Do you disagree with my rationale?
I disagree with the very concept of you.
I try to engage and you waste my time. Cool

I think Alison is too clean to be mafia. She powerwolfs. Thats means her read on Martin is still valuable I think. I think Gnome can be mafia but if that's wrong then the POE is probably borked and we end up losing to one of the creep bois.

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